ofersince72…

Good for your son, and good for you for educating him about the scumbags that run our governments.

The governments LIE to the people every day about almost everything. But let a citizen lie to “authorities” and the roof falls in.

When the government doesn’t play fair why should the citizens? It’s my personal opinion than I wasn’t born FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO USE AS IT WISHES.

I too would tell “the government” whatever it wants to hear just so long as the result would be to my advantage. It’s a game. And unless you want to be a lifetime loser you’d better learn what it takes to win against flagrant cheaters. (Hint: cheat better than they do.)

REa…..no you don’t..

I went to the VFW canteen tonite….you should have
heard all the closets…..
They are ready to kill….
It was most amusing

anyway , my son will be out of draft age soon….
he is who i was worried about…he pretty cool
I am sure that young man would tell gov anything
to keep from killing or being killed

hey ofersince72….

“do you really want to take that exemption
  away???  You never know….. “

My wildest dream! Draft me! I’m nearly 71 and I’d LOVE to be bunked in with a roomful of horney, almost straight, men. Call me when my number comes up… but not before 10am - I’m not as fast outta the gate as I used to be.

It was always a good way to beat the draft…
REA….do you really want to take that exemption
    away???  You never know…..

“...the now-threatened dismissals…”

To even CONSIDER to “dismiss” a gay or lesbian person from duty strictly because of their sexuality is right up there, shoulder-to-shoulder with dismissing them because their SKIN is a certain color.

I cannot believe that in 2010 the tiniest, most ignorant minds are still in charge of our society.

It is not the Pentagon that counts as long as, hopefully, the military is subservient to the non-military arm of government. Ergo it is what President Obama will do as opposed to spouting hot air once again. He does not have the power to overturn DODT but he does have the power a commander-in-chief to order a stop of dismissals pending the outcome of the planned commission’s report. At the very least that allows the now-threatened dismissals to accrue more seniority and retirement benefits.

a fortiori. . .

For anyone who wants to know how we came to this pass I strongly reccomend you get ahold of a copy of “Contested Closets” by Larry Gross. This tells the whole story began with the outing of under-secretary of Defense Pete Williams — who was Dick Cheney’s press rep during Gulf War I. That was back in the days of the old “No Gays at All” policy, which the military was ever-so-eager to forget about when it needed fresh meat. So all sorts of people were allowed in, sent over to Kuwait for that little bit of next to nothing and then when they were returned home shit-canned right out of the army.
Michaelangelo Signorile had all the skinny on Pete — who technically was protected by laws concerning government personel created thanks to the pressure of a gay rights movement he (Pete) couldn’t care less about. Thanks to fearless editor Richard Rouilard, Mike’s epose ran in “The Advocate” –causing such a stink that Cheney was forced to have Pete leave — sending him to NBC where he works as a reporter on legal issues to this day.
NBC being at that time owned and operated by General Electric (the largest purveyor of weapons of mass destruction the world has ever known) it was a lateral move.
What Mike didn’t include in the article, but later revealed at the first tumultuous session of the National Gay and Lesbian Journalists Association back in 92 was the fact that Andrew (Patient Less Than Zero) Sullivan was a close pal of Pete’s. In Fact Sully and his boyfriend du jour and Pete and his respective love-muffin had a summer share in the Pines during the Gulf War.
For a more “up close and personal” angle on all of this try and get ahold of a DVD of Rob Epstein and Jeffrey Friedman’s lovely film “Where Are We?” The makers of “The Times of Harvey Milk” and the recently Sundance-premiered “Howl,” took a trip down south during the war and visited military bases where they met a number of gay and lesbian soldiers.
With Pete “outed” the fat was in the fire. A full repeal was demanded, and promised. But Clinton, being the lying scumbag that he is, relented and gave us “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”
He also gave us “The Defense of Marriage Act” (DOMA)
Ain’t liberal breeders grand?

Dear Hmmm..

My mistake. I had no intention of generalizing to ALL males from the specific. I too know many males who would never physically abuse a woman unless, of course, she was the aggressor about to do him bodily harm. If a woman doesn’t want to receive blows she’d better not start serving them. If anyone, male or female, threatens my life with a weapon, it’s all gloves off.

That said, I had to laugh about your assessment of me as “bitter” because I’m not getting the attention I want. As I enter the 32nd year with the same partner I can assure you I receive and give to a satisfying measure.

As for being off topic. I disagree. All the political BS gamesmanship being played and about to be played by the straights-in-charge has it’s ROOTS in that shower room “scene.” Many, if not most, of today’s average males know little more about the human sexualities than my cat. Males, when around other males of the “assumed hetero variety”, act and talk in cliches. They say what they know is expected and will be accepted by the other males - almost never saying what they really feel or mean. They’re all a-titter when the topic of sex comes up - beet red and all nervous. Witness “Top Gun” Tom Cruise a few years ago on the Oprah show in a discussion of sexuality. Completely adolescent! I haven’t often heard that much giggling coming from teenage girls. It was embarrassing.

But you’re right about many women. They know how to push the hetero male’s buttons and just love to watch him perform to their unwritten/unspoken commands. I used to confuse the hell out of them - they’d drag some trick from their bag of wiley ways and do what they’d been taught to do to “hook” a male and when I didn’t respond they thought it was THEIR fault! Ha Ha. I just let most of them remain confused. Anyone, male or female, who tries to manipulate people that way gets what they deserve.

The Battle of the Sexes. It’s only a battle because one party (the male), in “hot pursuit” - if you get my drift, is desperately trying not to get ripped off too badly by the other party (the female) in the process. The male who lets his defenses down around most females is at high risk for being taken to the cleaners in one way or another.

Again, my opinion. Pass the salt.

As intimidating troops by calling the “FAGGOT!!!!” is a central part of training removing “Don’t Ask Don;t Tell” will surely destroy our military as the presence of actual acknowledged gays will make such intimidation impossible.

purplewolf, I think the reason lives buried deeply in the male psyche of inferiority.

Males know that about all they can do about anything is to go around beating their chests and others while women - ahh yes, the females - can give BIRTH. The men know the women, while physically weaker and therefore easy to gain power OVER and bully, are really in CONTROL… the bottom line is MEN FEAR WOMEN. That’s really why they frequently beat them and do whatever it takes collectively to “keep them in their place” (ie subservient to men).

Gay males are a perceived as a threat by straight males because they have not only “female” traits but male traits as well - that is, many gay males not only can “satisfy” another male but are every bit as tough as straights and therefore not easy to gain power OVER. The straights cannot bully and control (most) gay males as they can a woman. It’s not easy to rape a man unless you’ve got help.

And to make matter worse, the straights cannot identify most gay males on sight. Imagine a straight’s horror if, in the shower room, another man surveys his “equipment” and, completely out of his control, HE RESPONDS! Males can’t hide the obvious when turned on as women can. Oh, yes… many “straight” males can and do respond sexually to advances made in an appropriate setting by another male. Horny is horny. Not too many “straight” men have their shit together enough to either realize this or accept it as a fact of life.

Many, many decades ago, as a young gay male I had many sexual adventures with “straight” males. It was actually funny because most of them were terrible in bed and DAMNED DANGEROUS the next morning when they’d sobered up and realized what a good time they’d had with another MAN! I remember when I was living in Australia the screwball rationalizations “straight” males held about gay adventures. Just so long as the “straight” guy didn’t “receive,” everything was fine. In Aussie you’re only a “poofta” if you suck dick and/or take up the behind. Everything else is just “sport” with your “mate.”

I wonder how many more centuries will have to pass, purplewolf, before the full range of human sexualities is understood and accepted as NORMAL, which it is, and all this bullshit nonsense about gay vs straight just passes into history along with such ignorant beliefs as the earth is flat and Zeus lives in the mountains?

Good points Rae, but I never understood this policy in the first place. What is the reason they ban gays in the military. What is the logic behind it. No one has ever be able to give me an answer to this. Nothing that in a half way makes any sense at all. And yes, training our children to murder others is not honorable and it is past time this mindset ended in all countries.

This is unbelievable!

These characters have no intention of changing their bigoted attitudes based on a revised sense of fairness and an educated understanding of the human sexualities.

These highly paid, and if I might add, “gayly dressed” generals and admirals are hard at work spending tax payers’ dollars to collude and scheme to set up as many roadblocks as is possible in the way of implementation of non-discrimination in the armed forces. Bureaucratic functionaries can always find ways to make life hell for those they choose to bully - it’s their purpose in life, it seems.

Frankly, gay people, go see a shrink. Oh not about your sexuality, which is perfectly normal, but about your insane desire to join up and risk being killed in some rat-infested cesspool of a country on the other side of the planet all because you’ve been brainwashed that to die while “serving your country” is somehow honorable.

What it is, is SUICIDAL, probably the resulting neurosis generated by having a mountain of bullshit guilt pounded into you by the ignorant homophobes in your life and society.

But, if you still want to join a group which despises you and will force you so far into the closet that you can hardly breathe, and beat you up psychologically and perhaps physically if they get the chance, BE MY GUEST. I think you’re an idiot… but it’s your choice.

There’s nothing honorable about learning to murder people… and that’s exactly what the military is designed to do.

If we tangle with Iran,  we will need more than
gays charging the lines.