Top Leaderboard, Site wide
July 28, 2014
Truthdig: Drilling Beneath the Headlines
Help us grow by sharing
and liking Truthdig:
Sign up for Truthdig's Email NewsletterLike Truthdig on FacebookFollow Truthdig on TwitterSubscribe to Truthdig's RSS Feed

Newsletter

sign up to get updates


Boom-or-Doom Riddle for Nuclear Industry
Truthdigger of the Week: Yuval Diskin




The Sixth Extinction
War of the Whales


Truthdig Bazaar
The Future of Liberalism

The Future of Liberalism

By Alan Wolfe
$17.13

more items

 
Ear to the Ground

Peace Through War

Email this item Email    Print this item Print    Share this item... Share

Posted on Dec 10, 2009
AP / Bjorn Sigurdson

President Obama speaks in Oslo on Thursday as he accepts his Nobel Peace Prize.

President Barack Obama struggled to balance “man of peace” with “man of war” in his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, in which he demanded we uphold moral standards in “necessary” war and insisted that war could bring peace. —JCL

The BBC

President Barack Obama has said the US must uphold moral standards when waging wars that are necessary and justified, as he accepted his Nobel Peace Prize.

In his speech in Oslo, he defended the US role in Afghanistan, arguing the use of force could bring lasting peace.

He also said his accomplishments were slight compared with other laureates.

Mr Obama was given the prize in October for his “extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and co-operation between peoples”.

Read more

More Below the Ad

Advertisement

Square, Site wide

New and Improved Comments

If you have trouble leaving a comment, review this help page. Still having problems? Let us know. If you find yourself moderated, take a moment to review our comment policy.

By Wendell Bibby, December 11, 2009 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

To: OUTRAGED;

The EXAMPLE of the Roman Empire was more than ‘entertained’ during the founding of this country.

Does the word SENATE ring a bell?

Report this

By Jim Yell, December 11, 2009 at 9:32 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

I couldn’t take much of his speech. Here he was speaking Republican Talking Points as if he had invented them to excuse this continued surrender to militarism in this country.

Except for WWII no war has been fought except from the direction of businesses. We are over charged for weapons systems that do not work and others that have no claim of being so precious that they deserve outrageous cost. Rifles that are “state of the art”, but break down in the middle of battles. Body Armor that is faulty, No bid contracts for politically well placed corporations. No accountability except for the poor sucker who follows orders and then is thrown out to take the blame for what the upper ranks wanted to do, but do not want to take the blame for.

This is not what Obama was elected for. He has morphed into George Bush, the national idiot.

Report this
Purple Girl's avatar

By Purple Girl, December 11, 2009 at 5:42 am Link to this comment

The Left has yet to prove that through a concerted effort Civilians can accomplish the same goals.
Might be worth giving it a try for Once.
All talk and no action seems to be the mantra of the Anti War movement these days.
Enlist in the Civilian corps, prove you can do more than merely offer Lipservice.

Report this
Outraged's avatar

By Outraged, December 11, 2009 at 1:47 am Link to this comment

Re: AmericanDream

Your comment: “Big difference here, Obama.  Hitler was trying to forcefully take over other countries.  Al-Qaeda is trying to get us the f**k out of their own countries.”

You are wrong.  Al-Qaeda has integrated with the Taliban and radicalized it even moreso than it already was (and it was dangerous enough), IS after world dominance.  They expect to EXPORT their radicalism, not only to the U.S. but to all the world.

Re: felicity

Your comment: “I once asked a Catholic priest friend of mine to ‘explain’ the just war theory to me.  He replied that because the theory was right-off-the-bat an oxymoron, it couldn’t be explained.”

That’s all well and fine, but the catholic religion has a hard enough time “explaining” the virgin birth, have involved themselves in almost every war since the churches conception AND was instrumental if not THE voice of the insurrection.  My suggestion…. engage a more neutral perspective.

Re: Wendell Bibby

Your comment: “Check out the history of the Roman Empire. Then check out the history of this “great” nation. The likeness between the two empires is obvious.”

Likeness sure…. in fact the EXAMPLE of the Roman Empire was entertained during the founding of this country, but “likenesses” are only THAT….. likenesses.

Re: gerard

Your comment: “But BEFORE Hitler there were a number of early signs of what was going to happen in Germany and in Europe, and why, and nobody even thought seriously about trying any of the methods that might have solved the accruing problems before they reached the “boiling point.”

Yes, there were…. but German society at that time did not recognize the “number of early signs”.  Therefore, they did not ACT.  I think us to be the lucky ones, who in fact did/do have many speaking out, the PLATFORM to do so and the wherewithall to acknowledge the danger.

Re: joel kabakov PhD

Your comment: “But what the Obama administration failed to realize was that any speech no matter how brilliantly delivered, advocating war as the path to peace, would be his last as recognized leader of the progressive movement in America and as the standard bearer for international change in an economically and environmentally imperiled world. This Nobel Prize will be regretted throughout history.”

This is opinion/conjecture.  I disagree.

Re: liecather
Your comment: “George Orwell told us prior to 1984 what to expect, & here it is.”

Just for the record, “1984” WAS A WORK OF FICTION.

Re: Ouroborus
Your comment: ”“War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” (George Orwell, 1984)”

Again, “1984” IS a work of fiction.

Report this
Ouroborus's avatar

By Ouroborus, December 10, 2009 at 10:09 pm Link to this comment

“War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is
strength.” (George Orwell, 1984)

And once again; Obama said we were attacked from
Afghanistan on 9/11.

What is left when truth no longer has a place in our
day to day world?

Report this

By liecatcher, December 10, 2009 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

PEACE THROUGH WAR

George Orwell told us prior to 1984 what to expect, &

here it is. A warmonger getting a peace prize for

slaughtering thousands while ruining millions of

lives & continuing the destruction of America.

Report this

By NYCartist, December 10, 2009 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment

The story is on the faces of people in the audience in Oslo (not the faces of Michelle Obama or members of the Administration, a few of whom I recognized),but the faces of others.  The camera panned the audience several times during the excerpt played live on DemocracyNow during today’s show.  People had a range from unhappy to mild disgust to me.  I was torn between nausea and tears.
http://www.democracynow.org  The video of the show is online.  (Show originates live in Copenhagen at the UN climate change conference.)

Listening to the speech, I gave the President a Chutzpah award for Chanukah (I’m Jewish, atheist). The ch sound is in both. 

And today is Human Rights Day…

Report this

By joel kabakov PhD, December 10, 2009 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

He approached the lectern with the same grace and confidence as at his inaugural address more than ten months before. An historical wind at his back that had swept the first African american into office with more first time participants in the electoral process than the country had yet seen now stood poised to address the very issue that established his predecessor as a candidate for worst president ever: the interminable wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan.

Like most liberal politicians, Obama and his advisors knew that despite the fact that any escalation now would stretch this popular president to the limits of his credibility, he would none the less successfully “thread the needle” and emerge on the other side unscathed with an even broader base of support than ever, a base that would now include some centrists and even a few northern republicans.

In all of U.S. history, the one great equal opportunity employer of presidents had been war and nothing but war. Even when the LBJs, the JFKs, the Wilsons and Lincolns delivering great rhetoric for peace, the wars went on practically uninterrupted. And Obama’s supporters knew their history and were paying close attention when the Bush propaganda machine rolled out its lies, demeaning what little was left of American legitimacy in the international community, stealing from the treasury, spreading terror beyond all proportion to what the real threats were, jimmying elections and so on.

But what the Obama administration failed to realize was that any speech no matter how brilliantly delivered, advocating war as the path to peace, would be his last as recognized leader of the progressive movement in America and as the standard bearer for international change in an economically and environmentally imperiled world. This Nobel Prize will be regretted throughout history.

Report this

By jean Gerard, December 10, 2009 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Amazing how an intelligent person can say—without evidence but with pure
conviction—that Hitler’s armies “could not have been halted” by a non-violent
movement. No, probably not after Hitler got started,  But BEFORE Hitler there
were a number of early signs of what was going to happen in Germany and in
Europe, and why, and nobody even thought seriously about trying any of the
methods that might have solved the accruing problems before they reached
the “boiling point.” 

“Could not have been”  is a defensive statement used to justify war as if to
prove that there never was a choice, that war was “unavoidable.”  Rather than
indicating the inaptitude of nonviolence, it indicates the inadequate thought
processes that have habituated war through the centuries.  A childlike attempt
to pretend righteousness rather than to confess sin. “The Devil made me do it!”

At this point we should all be asking ourselves “What are we now doing in
Afghanistan that, because of its violence, will probably contribute to more
violence immediately and in the future?” McChrystal himself says
“Force (alone)  cannot defeat terrorism”, yet we increase the “forces.”  Totally
nonsensical!

Language again pops into our heads and tells us:  “War is the opposite of
Peace.  Choose one.  Stick to it.  Drop all thought of anything in between.  It’s
either/or.  You have to win or lose.  Nothing in between.”

But—Just think of all the things that might be in between,  which could be
tried at any given moment, which might help to work things out, which would
save a lot of innocent lives!  Yet when you bend toward the peace side, some
powerful people will lose a lot of money.  Ah, there’s the culprit—money! 
Follow the money.  Take the money out of war.

  Oh, can’t do that.  Means change.  Means new ideas.  Means ... well we don’t
know what the gradients are between war and peace because we don’t try to
find out! We ignore them because our language tends to overlook them and
our language has a lot to do with limiting the way we think—or don’t think. 
Unfortunately, we habitually eliminate originality, possibility, change—and
make the same mistakes over and over and over.

Report this

By Wendell Bibby, December 10, 2009 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

The only differance between Bush and Obama is that Obama does not sound like a stupid idiot when he speaks.
There are about three thousand people in this country of three hundred million that actually run the show. Obama is not one of them. He’s just their current lapdog.
Check out the history of the Roman Empire. Then check out the history of this “great” nation. The likeness between the two empires is obvious. This country is sliding down the same slope to oblivion that Italy slid down so many years ago.
Obama and his lies about change is just another chink in the blood-rusted armor.
This countrys’ government has had a lust for war and slaughter beginning with George Washington and his decision to send thousands of troops out against his own people to ruthlessly crush the so-called Whiskey Rebellion 200 plus years ago. A lot of people died during that campaign, but you won’t see any mention of that in your high school history book.
Nowadays in this “great” country, one can be detained for anything at any time by any cop on the street. Don’t believe me? Read the Patriot Act. It is the most un-patriotic, repressive, piece of legislative tyranny ever crammed down the passive throats of the so-called “free” people of this country.
I do not know if we ever were the “Land of the Free”, but I know for certain that at this point, we are not.
We are in fact, a mass of people that do what we are told, when we are told,and how we are told.
I thought we had a bit of a chance when we voted Obama in. So much for that. He is just another really good, nicely compensated liar.

Report this

By Commune115, December 10, 2009 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment

Obama came across as just another, cowboy American. And why does everyone have to keep using Hitler and WWII as references? As AmericanDream noted, there is no comparison between Nazi Germany trying to conquer Europe, empty the USSR of its population etc., and the US fighting rag-tag guerrillas in the Middle East.

Report this

By felicity, December 10, 2009 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

I once asked a Catholic priest friend of mine to ‘explain’ the just war theory to me.  He replied that because the theory was right-off-the-bat an oxymoron, it couldn’t be explained.

Where is Obama’s ‘morality’ or ‘justice’ in the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocents, numbers which always statistically far surpass military deaths.  (Oh, I forgot, they’re merely collateral damage so when a mother holds her dead child in her arms she is comforted in knowing that he is not her child, he is collateral damage.)

If the people were ever to wake up to the fact that without their bodies to fight the wars, which further the careers of politician, make the merchants of death far wealthier, and slaughter innocents, wars would not, could not be waged.

Report this

By Tim Kelly, December 10, 2009 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

The full speech is at

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=2325319

Obama fails to acknowledge that Prescott Bush sold the Nazis the steel to make the weapons of war an later laundered money for them.  Ronald Reagan provided arms to the Mujahadeen, which later became al-Qaeda.

“America has never fought a war against a democracy,”

However, America has removed several democracies, and has gone to war with at least one later (Iraq, which was a constitutional monarchy before the CIA helped the Ba’ath Party take over).

This is horrifying.  The largest arms manufacturer and seller in the world has introduced the concept of “just wars.”  This is not irony.  It is violence.

Report this

By AmericanDream, December 10, 2009 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment

War is Peace…

“A non-violent movement could not have halted Hitler’s armies,” he added. “Negotiations cannot convince al-Qaeda’s leaders to lay down their arms.”

Big difference here, Obama.  Hitler was trying to forcefully take over other countries.  Al-Qaeda is trying to get us the f**k out of their own countries.

Report this
 
Right 1, Site wide - BlogAds Premium
 
Right 2, Site wide - Blogads
 
Join the Liberal Blog Advertising Network
 
 
 
Right Skyscraper, Site Wide
 
Join the Liberal Blog Advertising Network
 

A Progressive Journal of News and Opinion   Publisher, Zuade Kaufman   Editor, Robert Scheer
© 2014 Truthdig, LLC. All rights reserved.