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Palin Calls Global Warming Research ‘Snake Oil Science’

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Posted on Feb 9, 2010
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Sarah Palin appears to read from her hand during a discussion at Saturday’s Tea Party Convention in Nashville.

During her speech at a logging conference in Redding, Calif., on Monday, Sarah Palin criticized California’s environmental regulations, pointed to her polar-bear-related lawsuit against the federal government, and compared certain global warming research to “snake oil science.”

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She criticized what she said were heavy-handed environmental laws. As Alaska governor, for example, she said she sued the federal government to overturn the listing of polar bears as a threatened species.

As Alaska North Slope wells dry up, the state is examining offshore drilling for oil and natural gas reserves. Protections for polar bears under the Endangered Species Act could thwart those explorations, according to Palin and her successor, Alaska Gov. Sean Parnell, who has picked up the cause.

Palin told the audience that filled the 2,000-seat Redding Convention Center that she disagreed with the science the government used to support the listing.

“We knew the bottom line ... was ultimately to shut down a lot of our development,” she said during her 40-minute speech, which was followed by a 20-minute question-and-answer session.

“And it didn’t make any sense because it was based on these global warming studies that now we’re seeing (is) a bunch of snake oil science.”

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By purplewolf, February 11, 2010 at 10:20 am Link to this comment

Snake oil as in snake oil salesman-refer to those who can con people into believing that their product can cure all the ills from money problems to raising the dead. Sarah is the salesperson hawking herself as the product that is the answer to all the GOP’s problems they think are causing all the world’s problems. When in reality, like the snake oil product, nothing is cured or fixed but remains the same or worse, except you are out your money you paid for the product known as Sarah. Just ask some of her fans who spent over 9 hours in the cold, rain and snow waiting for her to sign the book(s) they bought with the promise she would sign them and to have her walk out of her book signing and enter her bus, leaving many angry people in her wake. Too bad none of these people have the intelligence to not come to her events in the first place. In fact many pay $500+ to see her talk at events when most people who have White House Eyes give for free. But not sister Sarah, to her the almighty dollar is tops and whom ever gives her the most gets her attention for a time, sometimes.

Sarah also stated in another article this past week that she doesn’t think and that was the most telling truthful words she ever spoke. She knows nothing about science and research. For those who still do not believe in climate change or global warming look at the pictures of Earth the last 20, 30 years that NASA has. It shows drastic changes to the planet and excessive populations of humans do have a large impact upon the Earth. You can pay any so called expert to say what you want to back what you want the people to think is the truth, like court experts, the Bush administration smeared the facts of the world’s top scientists over the wishes of big business, as will Sarah, she is big oil through and through, she knows which side her bread is buttered on and it is not “we the people”. These temperature changes do affect weather in drastic ways. Each summer has gotten hotter since the early 2000’s and the winters colder,snow fall is much less that the previous 40 years. Don’t think so, check out your old family pictures in winter.

The last 6 years especially, those of us who garden a lot or work in nature have noticed drastic changes in the growing cycles of plants,those that normally would flower in the fall, now do so in the spring, early bloomers that never bloom, flowers with all the petals fused forming a cup like flower or flowers that have another stem and flower coming out of the top of it. I have talked to agriculture experts and some of these observations cannot be explained except for the environment-weather. Other people, especially those in Indian country have noticed changes in the plant life and it is wide spread for those who look and do see these changes and these are happening when no chemicals have ever been used on these plants, trees etc…

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By screamingpalm, February 10, 2010 at 6:00 pm Link to this comment

gerard- excellent, that one is next on my list! As much as I love Ralph, I can’t seem to share his optimism, though I do admire it.

ofersince72- There’s two ways I know when I’ve won a debate/argument: when they resort to name calling or attempt to silence dissent. Don’t let these loyalists get to you, they will never listen- nor will they ever counter an argument with any specifics. The best they seem to be able to do is use fear-mongering while blind to the fact that “their” side does the very same things that they villify the “other” side of. Then they blame Nader, yet cannot seem to counter any of the damning evidence presented about Gore to show the reason Ralph saw the necessity to run. Been through this more times than I care to remember on here. This is also why I fail to share Nader’s optimism.

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By gerard, February 10, 2010 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment

Nader people should try reading Nader’s new book:  “Only the Very Rich Can Save Us.”  It’s a huge tome, and completely fictional, and yet he manages to lay out a very complicated web of ideas and processes for what is often called “taking the country back from the corporations.”
  Page after page he shows in intimate detail how the system works and how it could be changed, piece by piece, non-violently, intelligently,  if idealistically.  He uses the rich men he names (with permission of course) to illustrate several things:
  1.  All is not lost.  Some rich people can (could) do a lot by putting their money where their mouth has been.  Some are already heavily invested in “charities,” whereas local and national politics is as grave a need.
  2.  Large numbers of ordinary people have to be involved.  He attempts to show how to do it.
  3.  Media needs to do more honest reporting.  That too he finds ways to change.
  There is much much more.  I am convinced nobody in the country understands the guts of politics more than he. Whether the book will help our situation is hard to say.  It’s a grand attempt at arranging and producing a huge national renaissance.  I rspect him.
  The point in it that overwhelms me is the obvioiusness of a need for access to the top.  Huge sections of the population have no straightforward way of reaching their representatives, the press, Washington, the corporations and think tanks. That’s THE bottleneck, and the reason he writes about “the very rich” is that they already have access and that’s largely why they are able to do what they do in the story. 
  I haven’t finished this huge book yet, but I hope it has a happy ending. Even though it’s a fiction it’s inspiring, though as a “novel” it doesn’t work because there’s too much explanatory content—necessarily, of course.

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By Debeucci, February 10, 2010 at 4:34 pm Link to this comment
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Thank you.  Coherent points without the name calling
and angry accusations.

One thing you will notice though…hypothetically, if
Nadar did become the president, NONE of the things he
and you want will ever get pushed past congress.  You
think Obama wants all these compromises he has to
make?  Unfortunately, with our form of government, he
has to make do with what he can get through congress.

I agree with reducing the military budget. 
Republicans will never allow it.  NAFTA has good and
bad points, but the elimination of tariffs between
the three countries and the effect it has is a
bilateral cause of more the corporations utilize it
than anything else.  Face it, capitalism in it’s pure
form can’t be trusted.  Just look at what’s happening
to China.  It’s the wild wild west of capitalism
there.

As for universal health care and Obama, I think it’s
the right step, but like how Nader would if he tried
his ideas, it gets mutated once it goes through
congress.  Something HAS to be done.  Healthcare
capitalism is inherently immoral.  There’s a reason
why we have one of the worst healthcares systems in
the world, behind costa rica, Cuba, and other second
world countries.  Don’t hate on Obama because he’s
not getting the job done.  Hate the situation he’s
put in.  At least he’s trying.  When was the last
time a republican president tried to reform a
staggering wound in our country?

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By ofersince72, February 10, 2010 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment

Nader has always spoke of equal funding for
all in our public education system,,, we had an
excellent public education system in our country
at one time….We need to restore it.,,not privitize
our education.
He often speaks of how well government can work,
not critisize or privitize.
Social Security was a shining example of how well
government can work,,,If Tip O’Neil and Reagon would
have left it alone, it would not be in the crisis
it presently is in (because its money is used for war).  He often speaks about our Justice system and
questions why so many young black men are incarcerated.
He runs on the Green ticket, so speaks well of the
types of people he would surround himself with in his
cabinet. and on and on and on
LISTEN TO HIM SOMETIME….He is also one of the
best speech makers in our country also, but as we
have seen, talk is cheap,  I would very much like
to give him a chance for action.

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By ofersince72, February 10, 2010 at 3:43 pm Link to this comment

Capt, you make a good pt with the tag…...
and like you,  have been very stupid more times
than i would like to admit..
The service connection, I will repeat one more time
since it was brought up again, was in response to
diamond explaining to me that many have died to
protect the right to vote, for me not to abuse it.
My response i believe was proper,  I NEVER have
used viet to validify anything that i have said or
done.

On Nader, he has committed himself to the working
and middle class America for fifty years.  He said
he would repeal NAFTA, this trade agreement not only
hurt us, but made peasents and paupers of Mexicans.
There are many other issues I agree with Ralph on
but first this…
We all know that it is going to take a lot of sacrifice by all to achieve the type of changes that
we need so desparetly for our nation. Creating jobs
that are sustainable while reducing the qrotesque
military budget is a challenge,  I believe Nader
addresses this better than most.  With the Dems it
is always “yeah, but not today”,

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By CaptRon, February 10, 2010 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment

MUNDT-Must admit it, she’s a real hoot. Can’t quit laughing.

OFER- re:Debeucci question-you voted for Nader and say you would do again. What does he offer in your opinion? How could/would he devise change different from any other for you? Your vote is not a wasted vote because you participated, and you accepted the baboon tag on yourself. I didn’t see your name attached to the post. You also brought up your service involvement, I don’t know you but you offered this info up in my opinion to justify yourself. I also agree with you that nobody can make one stupid, we do it all by ourself as I tend to do more often then I would hope. So I ask you, what would Nader do for the environment, economy, war involvement in order to retain your vote?

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By diamond, February 10, 2010 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment

Well said, ITW. The tragedy is that what Israel is doing will destroy it more certainly that any outside force.

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By Mundt, February 10, 2010 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment

Gov. Sarah Palin, at forest manager’s conference in Redding, CA, 2/8/10: “I love trees. I named my daughter Willow. Isn’t that enough granola for ya?” Absolutely priceless, hilarious, and quintessentially Sarah. See why we love her?

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By Debeucci, February 10, 2010 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment

Ok Ofersinc72, let’s try a new exercise, shall we?  All of us on this forum know where you stand.  healthcare is snake oil, Obama is snake oil…etc…

Let’s try something new.  What would YOU propose? It’s easy for all of us on the forums to bitch and moan about what washington is doing but no one offers anyone solutions.

For instance, while I think the current health care plan is imperfect by a wide margin, it is a good first step towards the right direction.  Has Obama done as well as we all hoped?  Of course not.  It was impossible to reach the standards we expected of him.  The Republican opposition to everything he tried to propose no matter how pragmatic he was is an issue.  And he was put into a very bad situation with the economy.  Just because the democrats took over congress in 06, you think they have the power to change things so quickly?  It doesn’t work that way my friend.  Obama being president for a year doesn’t mean you can magically snap away the collosal mess that Bush gave us.

So let’s keep this civil.  No one is a baboon, no one thinks anyone is stupid, and in my book a person who fights for their country is as important as the person who picks up my garbage or the person who operates in the ER.  All equal.

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By Night-Gaunt, February 10, 2010 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment

The only reason I do is that she could be our next president. How? Well just look at how our electoral system is so compromised. More so with the recent supreme court ruling. Anyone who doesn’t follow the status quo even in the two headed party of corporation, like Kucinich will be kept out of it. So yes, she could get elected, if that is the right word for what goes on here in the land of the “free.” Such freedom is still conditional for only some in varying degrees as it has been since 1776. The rich want to be lords of the manor again and forever. They may yet get it if their plan succeeds.

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By ofersince72, February 10, 2010 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment

Like a baboon, won’t be lured into name calling to
those that disagree with me. Do you feel that Palin
is even worth commenting on?  Someone made the comment to me about the triumph of evil over good
with a Palin victory, that a Nader vote was a vote
for evil.  Then questioned my intelligence.

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By Night-Gaunt, February 10, 2010 at 1:16 pm Link to this comment

War is good for the profiteers certainly. For the terror they use and the enemies they help to create which gives them a reason to have more war. Ones that wouldn’t have existed if they profiteers hadn’t have been doing their dirty deeds in other peoples countries in the first place.

If the climate becomes more inhospitable then they will be there to protect their assets i.e. fresh water, food, fuel, shelter and other booty they have aquired in preparation for what they have done to the earth and to us. Of course they know things are changing and it will benefit them as things become harsh. For you see as in past times such chaos produces strife, civil war and larger wars, famine, exodus and plague. Titanium fisted theocratic dictatorships flourish under such conditions. That is something they can use.

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By ofersince72, February 10, 2010 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment

Snake Oil is the present health care bill

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By ofersince72, February 10, 2010 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment

This article was about SNAKE OIL, which is just
what Oh?bama’s HOPE AND CHANGE is.

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By ofersince72, February 10, 2010 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

I am a baboon, idiot, stupid ,and shallow
to thoses that believe more war brings peace.

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By Inherit The Wind, February 10, 2010 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

Diamond:
My point was that, for the first time, you posted something I could agree with 100%.  I thought it was observant, cogent and to the point.

Also, I am one of the few who while supportive is Israel’s right exist and at the same time am harshly critical of its government especially the current right-wing government that I do NOT deny is racist, deceptive, dishonest, and, ultimately dangerous to all of us.

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By Night-Gaunt, February 10, 2010 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment

Mundt the extremes are all part of Climate Change depending on where you are on the planet. You will also find droughts & floods too. Being a dynamic system different parts of the globe will be affected differently. So stop being so linear in a multidimensional non-linear system. You’ll get it wrong ever time as you are now.

Once the new system is self sustaining, feed back loops, then it will be monumentally harder for us to return to the conditions that have been most favorable to us for the past 10,000 years. Remember that enough pathogens in your system can kill you even though each one of them is a single cell or virus.

Actually for whatever reason, we had a surplus when Clinton left, unlike with Bush we had a deficit when Obama came into power. [It takes money to build an overseas empire but it got done at the expense of our Republic. Not protecting our rights but in fact making it more dangerous for us.]

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By mitchum22, February 10, 2010 at 8:32 am Link to this comment

How nice that many sites are now giving readers the option of TURNING-OFF the baboon comments which are such a malignancy across the web.

Sure hope TD joins the campaign.

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By Dave Lefcourt, February 10, 2010 at 7:08 am Link to this comment
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You do not respond to an idiot.

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By ofersince72, February 10, 2010 at 3:09 am Link to this comment

you are right, we did have a deficit when Clinton
left office after eight years with “projected
supluses”  The key word there is “projected”.
You are also so deep, you probably see all jobs
that were created by his “free” trade agreements.

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By ofersince72, February 10, 2010 at 2:52 am Link to this comment

I have never used my stint in the military to validify correctness.  It was brought up because of
this silly statement by diamond..
“DON’T FUCK WITH YOUR VOTE, PEOPLE HAVE DIED SO THAT
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE.”  He was implying that
my vote for Nader screwed with my vote,,Democrats
accussed all Nader voters of this after losing the
2000 and 2004 presidential elections.
He also took my bait and called me stupid, I was
biting my tongue when i wrote “you can’t make me
stupid”, knowing exactly what the response would be.
Only a hand full of people even knew that I was in
the military until six months ago.
You use the word shallow on me, call me any name you
care, I sure haven’t stradled any fence.  Defend
the Dems and Oh?bama till the cows come home, they
are the Dems wars now and have been so since 2006.
I quess you are so deep that you can see just how
CAP AND TRADE is going to bring the C02ppm down!!!!

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By CaptRon, February 10, 2010 at 1:45 am Link to this comment

Ofer, I agree with ITW in that you are shallow with your stance on everything. In reading I see you jumping from one side of the fence to the other, albeit with self conviction, which is what bothers me. You use your 40 years of experience as credential with Nam military justification for being correct. I’ll give you props for the experience, but short sighted from my perspective. I saw GOP heads of state create whimsical situations that they left for the Dems to clean up, and yes, I blame the Bushies for financial chaos in large part to a war(?)that they initiated that need not have been started. Bush did not start with a deficit. You, of all people, with your self presented Viet experience should realize that situation or you weren’t there. His old man put us in Somalia, for what it was, just prior to his leaving office. Handed it off to Clinton just as he took office, then the GOP blamed Clinton for the mess. Sound familiar? Your answer to the wars-END THEM. DO you really believe it’s that easy. Isn’t it the GOP that wants more presence? Now the GOP feels there is no basis for ecological worry, the Dems are just scaring us. I see things differently then you evidently, but I don’t need someone else to tell me what I experienced. I trust very few politicians, they tried to get my generation killed in Viet Nam and Iraq smelled just the same. When Bush announced the USA was attacking, I knew I couldn’t stop it and that it was wrong. Looks like the Brits will try to prove this. Read your posts, re-examine your 40 years, and if you still believe what you write here then at least open your mind to working positively with the perspective that you could be wrong as well.

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By ofersince72, February 9, 2010 at 10:54 pm Link to this comment

Diamond,  Isreal couldn’t even build their
apartied wall without US money and support.
Your man Obama supports this ethnic clean out
apparently.

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By diamond, February 9, 2010 at 10:14 pm Link to this comment

ITW I don’t blame all the world’s ills on Israel: I blame them for carrying out ethnic cleansing and acting like the Nazis. If they stop doing these things, I won’t blame them for anything.

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By ofersince72, February 9, 2010 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment

Are you going to blame that thing that they are
calling a “financial meltdown” all on the Bush
Administration?
I believe that it was Democrats in charge of both
financial committees of the House and Senate at the
time.
While I may have not liked the Bush presidency,
he had a lot of enablers from the Democrat Party.
I am not blaming Obama for this country’s mess that
it has been in forever, but his lack of leadership
to get us out of this mess.

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By ofersince72, February 9, 2010 at 9:33 pm Link to this comment

in essence , what you told me was if I don’t vote
for a democrat then I am laying to waste all the
men and woman that have died with a uniform on

That is as silly as Sara Palin and her tea baggers

Which makes my argument.

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By ofersince72, February 9, 2010 at 9:12 pm Link to this comment

No, its don’t YOU fuck with my vote.
I am holder of Viet, campaign and svc medals friend.
Never told to many people bout this until recently.

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By Inherit The Wind, February 9, 2010 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment

diamond, February 9 at 10:48 pm #

Fortunately I don’t have to make you stupid O72-you’re doing a pretty good job of that yourself. Obama was elected in 2008, wasn’t he? How were the wars his before he was President? Things like this give me the impression that you blame him for everything, including things that happened before he was born. And you’re not the first one I’ve seen do that either. Obama has inherited a mess, economically, socially, militarily, environmentally. And you apparently blame him for inheriting a mess that was created by the Republicans and their unofficial masters, the neo cons. Palin won’t become President because Americans vote for her, they won’t, but what they will do if the vilification and distortions around Obama have the desired effect is just stay home. Reagan was elected by 31% of the vote, that means nearly 70% of Americans didn’t vote for him but he still got to create havoc all over the world and set the machinery in place to destroy the global economy - the hateful creep. The Republicans and the fleabaggers don’t have to convince Americans Palin is clever and capable of leading the country (because she isn’t and they can’t) all they have to do is make them hate Obama and they will refuse to vote and Palin will be elected on 31% of the vote. All that needs to happen for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. Never forget it. Don’t fuck with your vote, people died so you could get the right to vote.
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OK, who are you and what have you done with that dogmatic idiot Diamond who blames all the world’s ills on Israel.  You can’t be him. This post is smart, funny, accurate (though I think only 1/5 of ALL Americans actually voted for Reagan) and right on target—a post I can support, easily.

Sarah Palin is nothing more than 2010’s Joe McCarthy, an ambitious puppet pumping out pre-planned (by others) rhetoric and mouthing words she doesn’t understand like a marionette.  And she’s clearly a phony and a hypocrite to boot.  Like McCarthy, she will hurt all kinds of innocent people in her hunger for power, with NO moral compass to guide her.

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By ofersince72, February 9, 2010 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

Diamond, god bless you too and your innocense,  I
am not going to go through the last fifty years of
american history with you…Pickup Zinn’s history
book and read it. 
My history lesson was from participating the last
forty.
If you and the Dems don’t like these wars ...END THEM
You can call me stupid…..I have been called much
worse…It would be stupid to debate with you the
Democrats worthiness.

Lichen….There are many good movements that have
come of the resistance to the stonwalling of any
action to a climate change.  I appreciate all of them…
Unfortunatly,  they believe the Gore take that it is
posible by man to reverse the course…All the green
activity caused by this is much welcome , should have
been done decades ago.

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By lichen, February 9, 2010 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment

A vote for Obama is a vote for Palin!

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By lichen, February 9, 2010 at 7:04 pm Link to this comment

The international climate justice movement does still have a chance; regardless of how both the democrats, republicans, and the mainstream media that serves both of them which to silence and exclude us.  Global warming is real and it is now; we must take radical action to stop the nuclear/oil/coal/gas industries from destroying the planet; and we must also stop them from buying public opinion, which the climate justice movement, made up of many indigenous people and dwellers of small island nations, cannot afford to.

And yes, Obama is an ecocidal, war criminal, corporatist right wing scum who is 100% responsible for the poverty creation, murder, and diplomatic scumbaggery he has committed.  Down with obama, clinton, biden, summers, bush, and all their ilk.

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By diamond, February 9, 2010 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment

Fortunately I don’t have to make you stupid O72-you’re doing a pretty good job of that yourself. Obama was elected in 2008, wasn’t he? How were the wars his before he was President? Things like this give me the impression that you blame him for everything, including things that happened before he was born. And you’re not the first one I’ve seen do that either. Obama has inherited a mess, economically, socially, militarily, environmentally. And you apparently blame him for inheriting a mess that was created by the Republicans and their unofficial masters, the neo cons. Palin won’t become President because Americans vote for her, they won’t, but what they will do if the vilification and distortions around Obama have the desired effect is just stay home. Reagan was elected by 31% of the vote, that means nearly 70% of Americans didn’t vote for him but he still got to create havoc all over the world and set the machinery in place to destroy the global economy - the hateful creep. The Republicans and the fleabaggers don’t have to convince Americans Palin is clever and capable of leading the country (because she isn’t and they can’t) all they have to do is make them hate Obama and they will refuse to vote and Palin will be elected on 31% of the vote. All that needs to happen for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. Never forget it. Don’t fuck with your vote, people died so you could get the right to vote.

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By BigIslandDave, February 9, 2010 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment
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This woman is a delusional Armageddonist. She’s sick, cruel, petty, ignorant—
and stealthily dangerous. I’ll never forgive McGramps for unleashing her on an
unsuspecting world. She’s like Frankenstein’s monster. Please, Caribou Barbie,
take your empty-headed screeching back to the wilds of Alaska.

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By ofersince72, February 9, 2010 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

Really no one knows the future….We know ocean
plankton is mostly disappeared, so are temperate
and tropical forests…which have a big hand in
absorbing C02.  I wouldn’t be to inclined to believe
the present C02ppm to be at 390ppm as we are told.
It is most likely now at 420 or better. At 380ppm it
passed the point on the Bell Curve on which it is
plotted that it is even in a curve, it is straight up now. There is not one thing man can do to regulate
this.
We do know from tapping ice cores that it appeared
the C02 was a bit higher right before a glaciation.
I really don’t know how much more evaporation will
take place with just a two degree C rise.  However,
it will be enourmous.

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By Mundt, February 9, 2010 at 4:46 pm Link to this comment

Barracuda is right! Half the planet is trying to snow-shovel its way out of global warming” at this moment. Objective science has proven that hot air from Al Gore and other methane-mouth “climate-changers” is the primary cause of what little warming exists. So why don’t they shut up?

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By Night-Gaunt, February 9, 2010 at 4:45 pm Link to this comment

Evaporation is nice and when they form clouds it does increase the albedo which no other green house gas can do. But melting ice reduces albedo and increases the heating both of the oceans and the land. Once the temperature goes too high the oceans will stop absorbing CO2 and instead start expelling it thereby increasing the ratio of it in the atmosphere above the present 390 ppm. It will thaw and are released all of that frozen methane hydride into gas directly too, which will boost the warming by 325 times per molecule over the same amount of CO2. The jellyfish and the giant squids say the temperature of the oceans have changed so much that they are changing in what they do. Fish are moving further north as the torrid zone expands northward. [If we wait too long the temperatures of the ocean will kill off most of the coral reefs & be a new breeding ground for sulfur emitting bacteria which just like in the Permian Extinction, will poison the oceans and then the atmosphere. Right now they live in isolated colonies deep in the oceans, few and far between.]

Once the ice on the land melts the seas will rise considerably more than just an inch a year as it is doing now. 60% of the nearly 7 billion people live near the oceans don’t they? How will they adjust?

All of our money will go to adjustments instead of mitigating or even stopping it.

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By Ted, February 9, 2010 at 4:41 pm Link to this comment
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She oughta know from snake-oil science.  She believes in creationism, doesn’t
she?

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By ofersince72, February 9, 2010 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment

and speaking of SNAKE OIL…...

how about that ole CAP AND   TRADE !!!!!

thats just plain nonsense and very funny, makes
my sides hurt

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By ofersince72, February 9, 2010 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment

Diamond ,  do also believe that the world can make
        a treaty telling the planet to the degree
        what it is allowed to have as a temperture

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By ofersince72, February 9, 2010 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment

Hiring Gore paid off well for the Nuclear Power
industry it appears.  I have enough common sense
to realize that

RISING TEMPERATURE + MELTING H20 = EVAPORATION
EVAPORATION = CLOUDS
CLOUDS = ALBEDO

DO DA DAY !!!

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By ofersince72, February 9, 2010 at 4:13 pm Link to this comment

Besides all that Diamond,,, its the same ole
mainstream crap of trying to get us to focus on
the next election three years before it happens.

Who really gives a rats ass what Palin believes
about the climate collapse..

What do you really know about the climate collapse
....Hanson and Gore’s corporate take?
Gore was paid handsomely by the Nuclear Industry
for his description of future events.

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By ofersince72, February 9, 2010 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment

If I remember right,  President-elect Oh?bama
stood silent while Isreal was pounding Gaza.
and since then has given Isreal every wink and a nod
they have been looking for..

If you are trying to defend Oh?bama,  you have quite
a task ahead of yourself

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By ofersince72, February 9, 2010 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

You are deciding who deserves a vote…
If I am not mistaking, these are Democrat Wars now
they Haven’t belonged to Bush since 2006.

Every thing you stated that would happen under a
Palin administration is what is going on right now.

Thats why i said doesn’t make a difference.

Don’t worry yourself,  If Ralph has it in him again
I will vote once again for him.
You going for Oh?bama again?  The lawlessnes was in
the Johnson admin,  Nixon admin, Carter admin,
Reagon Admin, BushI admin,  Clinton admin, BushII
admin,  and now the Obama Admin….
You going to try to kid yourself into believing
the root of all evils started with George Bush?
You CAN’T MAKE ME STUPID!!!!

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By mrfreeze, February 9, 2010 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

Oh ya, I know that when I need the opinion of someone well-educated and well-versed in environmental science, Sarah Palin is where I go for information.

Can someone please explain to me why it is that Sarah Palin’s thoughts on ANYTHING are really newsworthy?

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By Night-Gaunt, February 9, 2010 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

Aaron Ortiz no one is “impartial” & if you don’t know what they are saying and doing then how informed are you really?

The best we can have is to cover as many bases as possible in the information wars. Since Palin isn’t a thinker then she is getting it from others. All those multi-million $ paid for “think tanks” by all those corporations, and their owners, have planned out through marketing and Psy-Ops techniques to own us or the majority to get what they want. It seems that the CIA’s active agents are moonlighting, with the support of their company, in the civilian arena!

So far it is the cultist reich wing is winning the info wars getting their point of view all over and treated as if it is the only “right” point of view.

Evaluating the news is a difficult and lengthy process, especially when you must see what the opposition is saying and laying out how they will present the world to us. Knowing how they do it will help you better worm out the truth of things.

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By CaptRon, February 9, 2010 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment

She can call it whatever she wants-snake oil science or global warming or ecological evolution but none-the-less it is happening. Glaciers would eventually diminish anyway, but as a world people, we are expediting before its time. Coastlines of glaciers which were diminishing @ 3 miles per 140 years are now diminishing at 50 plus miles a year in the last few years. Call it what you will Sarah, but you can’t deny evidence over your speculations. If you know something else scientifically that explains it, call it Sarah’s idea but admit it or prove otherwise. As far as polar bears, if one pulls the carpet out from under you (diminishing glaciers or predatorial territory) your existence will diminish thus the extinction possibility plus the fact that maybe you and Todd don’t have enough trophy heads on your walls at home? My figures above may certainly be inexact, I am not an expert, but they are certainly more in line with the truth, and there is evidence.

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By diamond, February 9, 2010 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment

What have you got to lose ofersince72? Well nothing if you want to have a nuclear war with Iran and if you want to re-live the Bush years of lies, lawlessness, going to the dark side and economic collapse. Palin will attack Iran and then continue on through the Middle East taking out one government after the other in the service of Israel while destroying what’s left of the economy. Voting for her won’t be like taking echinacea to stop yourself getting the flu, the equivalent of voting for Ralph. The consequences would be absolutely disastrous and I find your cavalier attitude to Palin’s ideas on attacking Iran, climate change and privatizing social security completely despicable.People like you don’t deserve to have a vote.

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By richard roe, February 9, 2010 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment
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I bet all the out of work fishermen in N. California wish the logging industry and agricultural industry had received more regulation, that way there’d actually still be a fishing industry in N. California.

Why are people still listening to Palin, she quit a long time ago.  Time for her to go home.

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By ofersince72, February 9, 2010 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

Her silly statement isn’t any more absurd than
all the BS Oh?Bama fed us.
We deserve Palin for our president..Go out in the
same style we came in…...full of BS….
Meaningful social change??....How and when…those
that believe there is time to organize a bunch of
citizens that only know how to keep a cell phone to
their ear and gasoline in their vehicle…
i will take you once again back to 1968, fires in
the street demonstrations everwhere demanding
ecological and social change….
But they were really protesting on their pocketbooks
and we elected Nixon anyway….same scenario 1972.
WHAT POLITICAL FIX??? We are just one disaster away
from exposing the quasi-martial law that we are in.
As long as they can keep the cell phones stuck in
everyones ear, there is no menace to them

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By Maani, February 9, 2010 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

The only snake oil I can see is what comes out this reptile’s pores!

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By ofersince72, February 9, 2010 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

Purplewolf,  we are there right now !!!!!
Thus the resourse wars…
Probably because they know as well as I that the
climate change is going to restrict mobility within
20 years,  maybe before then.

However,  what do we have to lose by making Sara
our president,  I just might vote for her instead
of my usual Ralph vote.

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By JohannG, February 9, 2010 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

Fascinating to see how idiotic she can act before
people start laughing at her outright. Of course, this
is the U.S.A where there seems to be no lower limit.
Reading Sarah Palin speeches always puts a smile on my
face…if there is a God she surely has a sense of
humor!

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By squeaky jones, February 9, 2010 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment
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Sarah Palin is just another cruel and self centered mouth piece for the demons of death and destruction. If you do not believe me just read her history. Squeaky.

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By Grousefeather, February 9, 2010 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment
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Okay, okay, I’ll do whatever you want me to do but please, please, stop using that voice!

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By RdV, February 9, 2010 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

Does she really deserve all the ink everyone gives her? That is what makes her thrive and gives her an ongoing relevance. Celebrity politics deflects from the real issues they don’t want you to focus on—like how the wealthy ruling elite is draining this country, while their dutiful stooge, Obama demands the citizens shoulder all the sacrifices in terms of Medicare, education,etc. And while you are enjoying the Sarah Palin show? Drastic cuts in Social Security—that they will claim is cutting waste.
  Get some priorities.

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By purplewolf, February 9, 2010 at 11:09 am Link to this comment

“Yeah,I don’t think much about it.” This says it all Sarah(from continued story link.)Sarah doesn’t think.That much is obvious. Otherwise she would not feel so threatened by a president who took advantage of the college education he was enrolled in rather than being a “cheerleader, and a male one at that, as we had in the last president. I don’t know about most people, but I would rather have an educated leader over one that is a dumb cluck.

As for the “snake oil science” from a person who knows nothing about science, but rather is the Queen of the Snake Oil Sales People. Sarah is a proven liar and didn’t G.W. finally admit that he told over 935 lies to get America into the Iraq war? Yes, he did. Do we really need another lying, ignorant, depraved indifferent person representing America? She would have us involved in a war with Iran(Christian making crusades continued that were started by G.W.)Russia, because she does not like them. Don’t think so, remember back to the fall of 2008, Sarah, along with McCain were bucking for America to attack Russia over the Georgia incident, where in fact it was Georgia that started it and her comment about American airspace when Russian flies into it and Putin rears his “ugly head”. No, we do not need another ignoramus in the position of POTUS. There will not be an America for very long if she gets in. She will finish selling us down the river to big industry, MIC, just like the Supreme Court did.She will also set womens progress back to the dark ages where her church believes all women,wives should be the servant to their husband abd children and should be stay at home moms and home school the children. Will is she living proof of her so called religious beliefs. Not hardly.

No Sarah Palin as president = the death of America as a country.

Remember:

After the last animal destroyed, the last tree cut down and all the waters polluted, only then will you realize you cannot eat money…......Native American saying.

Sarah has already proven her feelings on animals over big oil,tree harvesting,legal matters and the fact that big industry can pay her off to look the other way when polluting the waters among some of the things she supports and it is not in the best interest of the planet,people and other living things.

I know we can do better than her.

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By hark, February 9, 2010 at 9:52 am Link to this comment
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To Aaron Ortiz:

Climate science is not dogma.  The “debate” between those who accept the science and those who don’t may be getting shrill, ridiculous and tiresome, but underneath it all is good science that we would all do well to focus on.  The NASA site is a good place to start.

The deniers have succeeded in making a mockery of the subject in the public’s eye, but we must not let political machinations twist our views of reality.  There is no more science on the denial side than there is in creationism.  It is simply dogma.

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By Self Wise, February 9, 2010 at 9:10 am Link to this comment

why the hell should this idiot get this much press, even on this site?  I understand being aware of what the enemy is doing, but who the hell takes this woman serious, and how much does constant media coverage of anything she does add to the “validity” these same misguided souls see in her bullshit?  Real news and information nodes on the web, television, radio, print, etc. should not contribute to tabloid pop culture politics.  Where is sandman when you need him?

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By Vic Anderson, February 9, 2010 at 9:09 am Link to this comment
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Hitting her own SOS (Same Oil Song), AGAIN!

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By Aaron Ortiz, February 9, 2010 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

When you ridicule and vilify your enemies, instead of learning from them, you
debase yourself. Climate change is has become just another dogma, no matter
which side of it you’re on.

Articles like this one rob your credibility. I don’t want to be sermoned by a closed-
minded zealot, I want to be informed, impartially.

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