PatH ~~~ good for you. please do doubt that the numbers are exact or that the
classification as “civilian” and “terrorist” are exact.

but the ratio of civilians killed by terrorists and civilians killed by drones is gonna
remain way, way up there on the killed by terrorist side when all stats get sorted
out

ISAF’s aggression against Pakistan:
Talibans called NATO to the Rescue!

http://tinyurl.com/6ljo89h

By General Retd Mirza Aslam Beg

On the night between November 25 and 26, the American and Nato aircrafts attacked two Pakistani border
posts in Salalah area of Mohmand Agency and killed above 20 soldiers, including two officers, which is a
blatant violation of the country’s territorial sovereignty and the terms of cooperation with the International
Security Assistance Forces (Isaf).

[...]

The Pakistani troops operating in the Salalah area, on the night of November 25-26, had trapped the
Tehrik-i-Taliban-i-Pakistan (TPP) militants, about 50 strong, belonging to the Waliur Rahman/Fazalullah
group, engaged in anti-Pakistan activities.

A retaliatory action, “to draw blood for blood”, is the best option, but the enemy is on high alert now. ‘Retorsion’ would be the next best policy, i.e. “to return upon the assailants with sharp punitive moves.” In this regard, some of the actions have already been initiated by the government, such as rejection of the expression of regrets; the Isaf supplies through Pakistan have been stopped; no more drone attacks; Shamsi to be vacated; Pakistan not to participate in the Bonn Conference on December 5; cancellation of all visits, tours, sports events, etc involving USA and EU; diplomatic engagement with friendly countries to solicit support; no more business as usual; and the need to re-evaluate ties with USA. Since the occupation forces are operating under the UN mandate, therefore, Pakistan has taken up the matter with it to investigate and punish the perpetrators of this crime.

[...]

tic,

That websites numbers didn’t add up and were subjective.

Also,

Thirty four thousand Pakistanis have died in terrorist attacks since 2003, this according to American and Pakistanis officials.

Not that America or its cronies would lie.

No officials are named ‘on the record’.

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PatH,, you have every right to disagree, no matter how counterfactual and
emotional you wanna get.

.....Thirty four thousand Pakistanis have died in terrorist attacks since 2003…..

http://moderatemuslimvoices.blogspot.com/2011/05/how-many-pakistanis-
have-died-in-terror.html

and our drone strikes are running to as many as 400 Pakistani civilians killed

tic,  I’m sure the maimed survivors would disagree with you.  I know I do, intent and all.

PatH, there not attacks on civilians…..quit bullshitting about the intent.

tic, don’t try to justify these US attacks on civilians with attacks by the ‘boogyman’ under your bed.

It’s not our country and as observed by Ron Paul, they are attacking us because we are over there and I might add and you admit to, killing civilians.

PatH,  it is too many, but it’s war….and yeah, PatH wars and the killings in them
are pretty much always extrajudicial…...I’m glad that the killing of civilians bothers
you…it distinguishes you from the people we’re trying to kill with our drones. 
they see little wrong with killing anyone who doesn’t support their religious
beliefs.

Even if one innocent is killed in a drone attack it is too many and this killing is being done in their own back yard. 

The bad thing about these killings is that they are extrajudicial and the Congressional AUF which supposably allows our military to morally perform these aggressions realistically is immoral, flouts international law and the rules of war.

PatH, Global Research from two years ago making claims based on what
evidence???

and 100 t0 1 will hold up if you want to pull 2011 numbers.

tic,

drones have not killed countless civilians… that’s just sorta bullshit….

Sorta bullshit?  Is that like sorta pregnant?

for every innocent pakistani killed by our drones, 100 are killed by their terrorist
compatriots.

Once again your statements don’t square with the truth.

a couple of examples.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17343

http://pulsemedia.org/2009/04/12/us-drones-have-killed-687-innocents/

BTW, by what authority do we get to intervene in other countries affairs and contravene judges, courts and individuals rights in those countries?

the Pakistani public is also unhappy that we killed Osama bin Laden…....and our
drones have not killed countless civilians… that’s just sorta bullshit….

for every innocent pakistani killed by our drones, 100 are killed by their terrorist
compatriots.

What are you to expect when our drones have killed countless civilians, women and children, wedding and funeral parties.

Now we are killing their military forces and the Pakistani public has had enough.

The U.S. government has shown it is incompetent and corrupt and has a policy of arming and training insurrectionist terrorists against democratically elected leaders who don’t comply with U.S. dominionist policies.

I’ve had friends of many years but only one suddenly turned on me.  I made several efforts to re-engage the relationship after first asking for an explanation (which was the oddest and most contradictory thing I’ve ever heard).  As one of my sons put it when he broke up with a girlfriend “We just sort of got sick of each other.”  Sometimes friends need space.

But in the case of an actual “girlfriend” should the friendship continue after a bout with STDs much less WMDs?  This old gal harbored Bin Laden and a mountain full of Taliban and continues to flirt with lots of other suitors. Gotta tread carefully without giving away the farm.

Zubair~~~~ yes, you do not need US… You only need a better government, one
that provides things for the people of Pakistan and collects the taxes from the
upper class to make those provisions and doesn’t spend most of whatever
resources it gathers on bribing the politicians and buying weapons for the very
pampered and semi-competent military.

Maybe even a government that doesn’t turn a blind eye to all the terrorists in the
country and doesn’t try to blame other people when their home-grown terrorists
decide to kill Pakistani citizens and blow up all the schools and terrorize Western
medical volunteers and Pakistani schoolgirls who want an education and then
some human rights.

Pakistan is a very uncomfortable fit as an ally of the US.

Their government is incompetent and corrupt and they have a policy of
encouraging and arming religious terrorism , offering Pakistani soil as safe-haven
for terrorists, and lying their asses off.