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Pakistan Reevaluating Relationship With America

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Posted on Dec 26, 2011
AP / K.M. Chaudary

Protesters rally in Lahore, Pakistan, on Nov. 27 to condemn a NATO airstrike on Pakistani troops.

After its formerly cozy relations with the U.S. went south in recent months, Pakistan is done being America’s “rainy-day girlfriend,” as one Pakistani politician memorably put it, and wants some space to figure out what the future will hold. So far, it’s looking like far fewer regional strategic benefits will be on offer, and then there’s the touchy topic of drone attacks. It could well be the case that no amount of sweet talk will work this time.  —KA

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The Obama administration got a taste of the new terms immediately after an American airstrike killed 26 Pakistani soldiers near the Afghan border last month. Pakistan closed the supply routes into Afghanistan, boycotted a conference in Germany on the future of Afghanistan and forced the United States to shut its drone operations at a base in southwestern Pakistan.

Mushahid Hussain Sayed, the secretary general of the Pakistan Muslim League-Q, an opposition political party, summed up the anger that he said many harbored: “We feel like the U.S. treats Pakistan like a rainy-day girlfriend.”

Whatever emerges will be a shadow of the sweeping strategic relationship that Richard C. Holbrooke, President Obama’s special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, championed before his death a year ago. Officials from both countries filled more than a dozen committees to work on issues like health, the rule of law and economic development.

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By heterochromatic, December 28, 2011 at 9:55 am Link to this comment

PatH ~~~ good for you. please do doubt that the numbers are exact or that the
classification as “civilian” and “terrorist” are exact.

but the ratio of civilians killed by terrorists and civilians killed by drones is gonna
remain way, way up there on the killed by terrorist side when all stats get sorted
out

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By blogdog, December 28, 2011 at 2:02 am Link to this comment

ISAF’s aggression against Pakistan:
Talibans called NATO to the Rescue!

http://tinyurl.com/6ljo89h

By General Retd Mirza Aslam Beg

On the night between November 25 and 26, the American and Nato aircrafts attacked two Pakistani border
posts in Salalah area of Mohmand Agency and killed above 20 soldiers, including two officers, which is a
blatant violation of the country’s territorial sovereignty and the terms of cooperation with the International
Security Assistance Forces (Isaf).

[...]

The Pakistani troops operating in the Salalah area, on the night of November 25-26, had trapped the
Tehrik-i-Taliban-i-Pakistan (TPP) militants, about 50 strong, belonging to the Waliur Rahman/Fazalullah
group, engaged in anti-Pakistan activities.

The militants gave the SOS to Isaf and Nato, and the American aircrafts and gunships rushed to rescue
them. The two Pakistani posts came under intense fire. The officer in charge immediately contacted the
Isaf and warned them that it were the Pakistani posts, which were under attack and it must stop. But the
message was ignored and the attack continued for over two hours till the militants were rescued and
taken to the Afghan territory.

The brutal act of the Isaf is not the only incident, because previously our border posts have been attacked by the militants, who were supported by the foreign forces, killing many of our troops. This was the third time that the Isaf violated Pakistan’s territory. Last year, in September 2010, a similar incident had occurred on our border, during which a number of our soldiers were killed. The second time, they intruded deep inside Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden near Abbottabad and got away with it.

A few months back, in a meeting of senior officers held at the GHQ, I had warned that the Isaf would “again test our nerves” and we better be prepared to retaliate against such intrusions, and recommended that they should have a look at the “Selective Punishment Concept” of 10 Corps, implemented by Major General Safdar, SJ, GOC 12 Division in 1990, who silenced the Indian guns along the Line of Control, through bold and “prompt retaliatory actions.” But in this case, at Salalah, such a ‘prompt retaliatory action’ could not be taken; therefore, we now have to consider choosing the next best option to ensure that such incidents do not occur again.

A retaliatory action, “to draw blood for blood”, is the best option, but the enemy is on high alert now. ‘Retorsion’ would be the next best policy, i.e. “to return upon the assailants with sharp punitive moves.” In this regard, some of the actions have already been initiated by the government, such as rejection of the expression of regrets; the Isaf supplies through Pakistan have been stopped; no more drone attacks; Shamsi to be vacated; Pakistan not to participate in the Bonn Conference on December 5; cancellation of all visits, tours, sports events, etc involving USA and EU; diplomatic engagement with friendly countries to solicit support; no more business as usual; and the need to re-evaluate ties with USA. Since the occupation forces are operating under the UN mandate, therefore, Pakistan has taken up the matter with it to investigate and punish the perpetrators of this crime.

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By PatrickHenry, December 27, 2011 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

tic,

That websites numbers didn’t add up and were subjective.

Also,


Thirty four thousand Pakistanis have died in terrorist attacks since 2003, this according to American and Pakistanis officials.

Not that America or its cronies would lie.

No officials are named ‘on the record’.

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By heterochromatic, December 27, 2011 at 7:52 pm Link to this comment

PatH,, you have every right to disagree, no matter how counterfactual and
emotional you wanna get.


.....Thirty four thousand Pakistanis have died in terrorist attacks since 2003…..

http://moderatemuslimvoices.blogspot.com/2011/05/how-many-pakistanis-
have-died-in-terror.html

and our drone strikes are running to as many as 400 Pakistani civilians killed

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By PatrickHenry, December 27, 2011 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

tic,  I’m sure the maimed survivors would disagree with you.  I know I do, intent and all.

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By heterochromatic, December 27, 2011 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment

PatH, there not attacks on civilians…..quit bullshitting about the intent.

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By PatrickHenry, December 27, 2011 at 7:23 pm Link to this comment

tic, don’t try to justify these US attacks on civilians with attacks by the ‘boogyman’ under your bed.

It’s not our country and as observed by Ron Paul, they are attacking us because we are over there and I might add and you admit to, killing civilians.

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By heterochromatic, December 27, 2011 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

PatH,  it is too many, but it’s war….and yeah, PatH wars and the killings in them
are pretty much always extrajudicial…...I’m glad that the killing of civilians bothers
you…it distinguishes you from the people we’re trying to kill with our drones. 
they see little wrong with killing anyone who doesn’t support their religious
beliefs.

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By PatrickHenry, December 27, 2011 at 6:59 pm Link to this comment

Even if one innocent is killed in a drone attack it is too many and this killing is being done in their own back yard. 

The bad thing about these killings is that they are extrajudicial and the Congressional AUF which supposably allows our military to morally perform these aggressions realistically is immoral, flouts international law and the rules of war.

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By heterochromatic, December 27, 2011 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment

PatH, Global Research from two years ago making claims based on what
evidence???

and 100 t0 1 will hold up if you want to pull 2011 numbers.

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By PatrickHenry, December 27, 2011 at 6:11 pm Link to this comment

tic,


drones have not killed countless civilians… that’s just sorta bullshit….

Sorta bullshit?  Is that like sorta pregnant?

for every innocent pakistani killed by our drones, 100 are killed by their terrorist
compatriots.

Once again your statements don’t square with the truth.

a couple of examples.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17343

http://pulsemedia.org/2009/04/12/us-drones-have-killed-687-innocents/

BTW, by what authority do we get to intervene in other countries affairs and contravene judges, courts and individuals rights in those countries?

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By heterochromatic, December 27, 2011 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

the Pakistani public is also unhappy that we killed Osama bin Laden…....and our
drones have not killed countless civilians… that’s just sorta bullshit….

for every innocent pakistani killed by our drones, 100 are killed by their terrorist
compatriots.

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By PatrickHenry, December 27, 2011 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment

What are you to expect when our drones have killed countless civilians, women and children, wedding and funeral parties.

Now we are killing their military forces and the Pakistani public has had enough.

The U.S. government has shown it is incompetent and corrupt and has a policy of arming and training insurrectionist terrorists against democratically elected leaders who don’t comply with U.S. dominionist policies.

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By Hulk2008, December 27, 2011 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

I’ve had friends of many years but only one suddenly turned on me.  I made several efforts to re-engage the relationship after first asking for an explanation (which was the oddest and most contradictory thing I’ve ever heard).  As one of my sons put it when he broke up with a girlfriend “We just sort of got sick of each other.”  Sometimes friends need space.

But in the case of an actual “girlfriend” should the friendship continue after a bout with STDs much less WMDs?  This old gal harbored Bin Laden and a mountain full of Taliban and continues to flirt with lots of other suitors. Gotta tread carefully without giving away the farm.

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By heterochromatic, December 27, 2011 at 11:35 am Link to this comment

Zubair~~~~ yes, you do not need US… You only need a better government, one
that provides things for the people of Pakistan and collects the taxes from the
upper class to make those provisions and doesn’t spend most of whatever
resources it gathers on bribing the politicians and buying weapons for the very
pampered and semi-competent military.

Maybe even a government that doesn’t turn a blind eye to all the terrorists in the
country and doesn’t try to blame other people when their home-grown terrorists
decide to kill Pakistani citizens and blow up all the schools and terrorize Western
medical volunteers and Pakistani schoolgirls who want an education and then
some human rights.

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By Zubair azam khan, December 26, 2011 at 10:54 pm Link to this comment
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This is right pakistan is very uncomfortable with us.Whenever they need us they use and dispose us like a condom not this time this time they gone to far.we do not need us need not aid.pakistan should cut all ties with us let them go to india and be friends with india for last 60 years we did enough for us. we treated like a condom so show them door in pakistan.

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By heterochromatic, December 26, 2011 at 9:44 pm Link to this comment

Pakistan is a very uncomfortable fit as an ally of the US.

Their government is incompetent and corrupt and they have a policy of
encouraging and arming religious terrorism , offering Pakistani soil as safe-haven
for terrorists, and lying their asses off.

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