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Pakistan Denies Taliban Ties in Afghanistan

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Posted on Feb 1, 2012
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Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar denies NATO’s allegations about her country’s relationship with the Afghan Taliban.

Claims made by NATO that Pakistan is in cahoots with the Afghan Taliban are tantamount to “old wine in an even older bottle,” according to Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar. However, this particular batch of wine represents thousands of mandatory conversations (read: interrogations) versus Khar’s official denial.  —KA

BBC:

The report says the Taliban are helped by Pakistani security services.

It claims the insurgents remain defiant and have wide support among Afghans.

The report - State of the Taliban - is based on material from 27,000 interrogations with more than 4,000 captured Taliban, al-Qaeda and other foreign fighters and civilians.

[...] Our correspondent says the report fully exposes for the first time the relationship between Pakistan’s ISI intelligence service and the Taliban.

It notes: “Pakistan’s manipulation of the Taliban senior leadership continues unabatedly.”

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By heterochromatic, February 5, 2012 at 5:29 pm Link to this comment

dog—-cool with me. if there’s interest in a serious re-examination, it would be far
better to do it rather than have the stuff hag around forever.

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By blogdog, February 5, 2012 at 5:17 pm Link to this comment

RE: ...the proof that an impartial panel of citizens would accept?

I believe that’s what Clark and the thousands of others cited below are calling for: an impartial panel of citizens, to which evidence is presented, impartially,  i.e. without it’s being tainted or dismissed out of hand as ‘wako conspiracy theory’; in particular, that which the 9/11 commission refused to be admitted…  e.g.

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/11/911-cover-up.html
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 2005

There’s Never Been a Real 9/11 Investigation You might reasonably assume that the 9/11 Commission investigated September 11th, and concluded that Osama Bin Laden and his group of terrorists were solely responsible.

Unfortunately, a quick look at the government’s investigations reveals that— not only has there never been a real investigation—but the behavior of government representatives in willfully obstructing all attempts at investigation comprises evidence of guilt. Specifically, in all criminal trials, evasiveness,  obstruction, and destruction of evidence all constitute strong circumstantial evidence that the accused is guilty or, at the very least, not to be believed. 9/11 is no different.

For example, the former director of the FBI says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission

And the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people.

Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only “the first draft” of history.

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”

And former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission,  stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”.

[...]

and the current White House does nothing to disturb the cover up - they follow orders, in fact better than the last regime

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By heterochromatic, February 5, 2012 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment

dog——- how is the Bushies using the 9/11 attacks for their own fucked-up ends
“all linked” to conspiracy theories of various sorts?


saying that it’s linked is just as lame as the Bushies saying that Iraq was involved.

 

anyone can sketch a scenario, but where’s the proof that an impartial panel of
citizens would accept?

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By blogdog, February 5, 2012 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment

wrong - it’s all linked… but not as most are tempted to think, i.e. Bush/Cheney
evil deed - no way;  e.g.

Suppressed But Crucial 9/11 Evidence: “Angel Is Next,” The Invisible Government’s
Ultimatum to Bush to Launch the War of Civilizations

http://tarpley.net/2011/09/08/suppressed-but-crucial-911-evidence/

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By heterochromatic, February 5, 2012 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment

thanks dog…...the idea that Clark thinks that we should have further investigated
the processing of pre-9/11 intel isn’t troubling and is not anything akin to ....that
other bullshit.

I agree with this stuff from Clark as well.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1842

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By blogdog, February 5, 2012 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

General Wesley Clark, U.S. Army (ret) –  Video interview ABC’s This Week with
George Stephanopoulos 3/5/06: “I think when you look at this country, right
now, we need a 2-party system that works.  We need Congress to do its job.  We
need real investigation of some of the abuses of authority that are apparently
going on at the Executive branch. ... We’ve never finished the investigation of
9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information
it had.  The evidence seems pretty clear to me.  I’ve seen that for a long
time.”

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By heterochromatic, February 5, 2012 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment

dog—-McGovern’s been on my list for a while.

I am interested in what you have from Wesley Clark that
you think pertinent.

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By blogdog, February 5, 2012 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

tic, by your standards, you’d better get busy if ever, in this lifetime, you intend to complete your ‘idiots list’ ... it’s growing by the day and already must include:

Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter.

Paul Craig Roberts, PhD – Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan, “Father of Reaganomics”.

Raymond L. McGovern – 27-year CIA veteran. Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates (NIE), the consensus reports of all U.S. intelligence agencies.

Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency. Former military attaché in China. 21- year career in U.S. Army Intelligence.

Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political- Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency.

General Wesley Clark, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. European Command, which included all American military activities in the 89 countries and territories of Europe, Africa, and the Middle East.

Senator Max Cleland – Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in December 2003.  U.S. Senator from Georgia 1997 - 2002.  Secretary of State of Georgia 1982 - 1996.  Administrator of the U.S. Veterans Administration 1977 - 1981.

Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney – Former 6-term Congresswoman from Georgia 1993 - 2002, 2005 - 2006.  Member of the House Armed Services Committee and Member of the International Relations Committee.  Georgia state legislator 1988 - 1992.

Daniel Ellsberg, PhD – Former Special Assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense. Former State Department envoy to Viet Nam.

Catherine Austin Fitts – Assistant Secretary of Housing under George H.W. Bush. Former Managing Director and Member of the Board of Wall Street investment bank, Dillon, Read & Co

Sibel D. Edmonds – Witness before the 9/11 Commission.  Former Language Translation Specialist, performing translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations, FBI.

Peter Dale Scott, PhD – Former Canadian diplomat who served at the United Nations and the Canadian Embassy in Warsaw, Poland.

Steve R. Pieczenik, MD, PhD — Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under President Nixon, Ford and Carter

Commander James Clow - U.S. Coast Guard (ret) - Former Chief, National Response Center - U.S. Coast Guard Headquarters

Roland Dumas - Former Foreign Minister of France

Major Albert M. Meyer, MHA - U.S. Air Force (ret)

Rev. William Sloane Coffin, Jr. - Captain, U.S. Army Intelligence, World War II Former CIA Case Officer

Michael Scheuer, PhD - Former Chief of the CIA’s bin Laden unit

Ramsey Clark, MA, JD - 66th U.S. Attorney General

Gov. Walter Peterson - 81st Governor State of New Hampshire

just to name a few among these…

220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials
1,500+ Engineers and Architects
  250+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals
  400+ Professors Question 9/11
  300+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members
  200+ Artists, Entertainers, and Media Professionals
  400+ Medical Professionals

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By PatrickHenry, February 5, 2012 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment

homoerotic,

Hardly, I live to expose ‘chosen’ zionist twats as yourself as the propaganda tools you are.

When the real truth of 9/11 comes out I will be the one in the jury box.

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By heterochromatic, February 5, 2012 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

Pithy—-you’re an idiot. 9/11 was not staged. slink off into a hole and expire
quietly.

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By PatrickHenry, February 5, 2012 at 10:55 am Link to this comment

homoerotic,

In a larger picture that you willfully chose to be ignorant, 9/11 was a staged event and the arabs were used as the fall guys, the evidence is overwhelming.

Israel, the MIC and Cheney led militarists used this malignant event to promote foreign policy and economic objectives they could not achieve otherwise, while their objectives were temporarily met the ‘fruit’ from these wrongful acts appear today as extrajudicial renditioning, Patriot act and Patriot act II and most recently NDAA.

Karma is a bitch and everything that came into being over the big lie of 9/11 will eventually end this country as we knew it.

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By heterochromatic, February 5, 2012 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

PitH——an expression from the Exclusionary Rule and indeed the 9/11 attacks
were poisonous and much harm has followed from those attacks

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By PatrickHenry, February 5, 2012 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

blogdog,

Some posters never let facts get in the way of -big lie- propaganda.

In law there is a tenet of ‘the fruit of the poisonous tree’.  9/11 was the U.S. poisonous tree and all the fruit from it leads to rot and ruination.

We need to get back to telling the truth once again.

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By blogdog, February 2, 2012 at 11:10 pm Link to this comment

thanks, tic; my own pouch got his monthly anti-vermin dose today, so now we’re
both set for a month or so - as for the ME, frankly, seems we pretty much agree
on the facts, just not, in the face of them, what the empire ought to do - arguably
its (the empire’s) place in the firmament is questionable - as for me, I’ve said what
I have to say about that:

http://vimeo.com/21358374    +    http://vimeo.com/22317904

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By heterochromatic, February 2, 2012 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

dog—- didn’t realize the slanderizing but did enjoy the Chandlerization.


gonna give ya a “good dog” fur that, Doghouse.

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By blogdog, February 2, 2012 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment

typical - not going to trade slanders, tic, but I’m starting to feel like Philip
Marlowe, talking to a two-bit grifter in dime-store shades with a pawn-shop
gat bulging his cheap mohair…

_______________________________

July, 2001, when the CIA visited OBL during his dialysis treatment at the
American Hospital in Dubai, he had been a ‘wanted man’ for some time - the
so-called ‘fugitive’ was well cared for by his American friends

this helps explain why NATO armed, enabled and literally blasted a path for the
al qaeda brigades of OBL’s friend Abdel Hakim Belhadj into Tripoli in August, 2011  


Bin Laden Was Made A Wanted Man By Gaddafi
http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/15984158
Osama bin Laden was on Gaddafi’s radar well before the 9/11 attrocities

8:46pm UK, Monday May 02, 2011
Mark Stone, Sky News reporter, in Tripoli

Osama bin Laden was a wanted man well before the 9/11 attacks, before the
attack on the USS Cole and before the US Embassy bombings in east Africa.

The first international warrant for his arrest was issued in April 1998 following
a request not by the Americans or the Europeans, but by Colonel Gaddafi of
Libya.

On March 16, 1998, five months before the al Qaeda bombings of the US
Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the Libyan Ministry of Justice named Bin
Laden as the main suspect in a double murder that had taken place in the
Libyan town of Sirte four years earlier.

The warrant was forwarded to Interpol in France, where it was formalised on
April 15, 1998.

[...]

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By heterochromatic, February 2, 2012 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

dog___ lotta people used to talk with bin Laden before 9/11.a few months
afterward, fewer people talked with him, as he was obliged to re-locate.

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By blogdog, February 2, 2012 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

quite a brain storm there, but actually that score was probably settled in Dubai July, 2001 - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/01/afghanistan.terrorism

the beauty of all-purpose terror-for-hire outfits like the Muslim Brotherhood or al-CIA-duh, in particular:  one can hunt them down with night raids and drones in Afpak and Yemen, to save the world; or, install them in Libya to save the poor Libyans (mostly by blowing them up) - and now in Syria, where Abdel Hakim Belhadj has been redeployed to run the armed insurrection lead-up to the planned no-fly zone & coup d’état

BTW - the Arab League Syria Observer Mission report has been leaked:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29023

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By heterochromatic, February 2, 2012 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

dog—-it’s more like the tip of a spider monkey’s dick.

but you might like #10 re Spruce Goose.

http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/2011/05/16/nathan.html

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By heterochromatic, February 2, 2012 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

dog____ you know that he wasn’t dead in2001, don’t you? you’re just playing?

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By SarcastiCanuck, February 2, 2012 at 9:35 am Link to this comment
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Yes Ms.Khar,and Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman,Oswald acted alone and the moon is made from green cheese.

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By blogdog, February 2, 2012 at 1:04 am Link to this comment

RE: ...the claim that Osama bin Laden is living in Pakistan… - nowhere found in the article, so a kind of joke, one can only guess - a bigger joke, of course, is Obomber’s OBL snuff theatre, considering the overwhelming evidence that OBL died in late 2001 - touched upon in James Corbett’s concise capsulation of the global war of terror
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CALSC6PonlI

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By heterochromatic, February 1, 2012 at 7:18 pm Link to this comment

Claims that Pakistan is in cahoots with the Haqqani
Network’s fighters who stay in Pakistan and who
regularly cross over into Afghanistan to fight NATO
forces are of course entirely factual.

And it’s also true that at present most of the
remnants of the Aghan Taliban are sheltering in
Pakistan, that much of the war in Afghanistan is led
from Pakistan and that many of the leaders of Al
Qaeda are living in Pakistan.

Untrue, though, is the claim that Osama bin Laden is
living in Pakistan THAT’S the denial that Khar should
concentrate upon….it’s true!

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