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OWS Anniversary Rally Ends in Arrests

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Posted on Mar 18, 2012
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The Occupy movement took on the theme of St. Patrick’s Day for its six-month celebration.

The NYPD met Occupiers returning to Zuccotti Park to celebrate the movement’s six-month anniversary Saturday with intimidation and force, flooding the area with hundreds of officers during the afternoon and evening before closing the park and making arrests at night.

The revelers were defiant, many of them vowing a return of the movement as the weather improves this spring. —ARK

AP via The Huffington Post:

Some demonstrators locked arms and sat down in the middle of Zuccotti Park near Wall Street after police announced on a bullhorn at around 11:30 p.m. Saturday that the park was closed. Officers then poured into the park, forcing most of the crowd out and surrounding a small group that stayed behind. Police formed a human ring around the park to keep protesters out.

Several people were arrested, police said. An unused public transit bus was brought in to cart away about a dozen demonstrators in plastic handcuffs. One female under arrest had difficulty breathing and was taken away in an ambulance to be treated.

For hours, the demonstrators had been chanting and holding impromptu meetings in the park to celebrate the anniversary of the movement that has brought attention to economic inequality, as police mainly kept their distance.

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By IMax, March 21, 2012 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment

gerard,

I assume you found yourself unable to answer my fundamental question regarding Occupy organizers and the tactics they’ve elected to employ.  Your last post appears to lack any “dignity”, “sincerity”, or “substance” what-so-ever.

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By IMax, March 21, 2012 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

gerard,

I assume you found yourself unable to answer my fundamental question regarding the tactics you so passionately support and defend.  Your last post appears to lack any “dignity”, “sincerity”, or “substance” what-so-ever.

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By gerard, March 21, 2012 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

IMaximum Profundities:  “Occupying physical spaces leaves law enforcement no choice but to react physically.”  Sorry.  Couldn’t resist.

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By IMax, March 20, 2012 at 5:57 am Link to this comment

OWS Anniversary Rally Ends in Arrests

One thing seems abundantly clear.  Occupying public and private spaces, refusing to leave or make way for others, leads to physical altercations every time it’s attempted.  Occupying physical spaces leaves law enforcement no choice but to react physically.

Who here is of the opinion that Occupy organizers are unaware of how this particular chosen tactic will play out?

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By gerard, March 19, 2012 at 5:29 pm Link to this comment

Looking back on this string of comments, it turned out to be particularly bad—loaded with bickering, personal insults, excretions of one kind or another—really lacking in dignity, sincerity and substance.
Lots of anger, yes. Lots of tender egos and pains in the neck. Did any of it do anything more than let off steam?  Should comments “do anything” anyhow?  Why write comments?
  Do we care what we say? Do we care about who reads what we say? Do we care about each other? Sadly, it rather appears that “no” is the answer here. Maybe we think anonymity relieves us of responsibility?
  What gets Truthdig a Webby prize? Certainly this string is no prize-winner!

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By heterochromatic, March 19, 2012 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment

there ain’t no revolution coming here, there isn’t one that can succeed and
improve things much. it’s all slow and incremental and it’s good that you’re off
hiding south of the border…...

maybe a good long sweat bath to purge the hatred from your raisin of a heart and
you might return to life as a human being.

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By gerard, March 19, 2012 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment

Moonraven:  I totally agree with your summation. Getting personal is a waste, every time.

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By heterochromatic, March 19, 2012 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment

I fart in your general direction…..


flap away, old crow

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By moonraven, March 19, 2012 at 1:45 pm Link to this comment

This thread is just foolishness.

If you aren’t ready for revolution you are not ready to be free.

You folks are just here wasting time and farting into the wind.

Pathetic.

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By heterochromatic, March 19, 2012 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment

IMax, you can shift from violence to injuries and then finally try to shift to arrest
stats…..but all it does is highlight that you were wrong about saying that protester
violence was inherent in OWS.


you’re simply wrong about it and unwilling to admit it.


stick to saying that OWS was not reall justified in occupying Zuccotti Park….that’s
a case that you can make…..honestly and without trying to get by via shifting the
goalposts.

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By gerard, March 19, 2012 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

“... when you find yourself unable to defend your position, you lazily lean on personal insults (it’s weak)”—Imax, 3.19.6:53 a.m.

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By IMax, March 19, 2012 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

hetero

In the case of Zuccotti Park I asked you, specifically, about injuries and arrests.  You attempted to claim that crime rates in the area of Zuccotti remained unchanged from the real mean average prior to Sept/Oct 2001.  That, hetero, is dishonest.

You also attempt to argue that any protester who happens to be under the influence should be removed from the crime tally.  Again a dishonest and MASSIVE rationalization on your part.

There is no need for such dishonesty.

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Jeff N.,

MY VERY SINCERE APOLOGY about the link in one of your previous posts?  For some odd reason the same type of link has appeared in my own post.  What the hell?

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By IMax, March 19, 2012 at 7:53 am Link to this comment

Jeff N.,

Not unlike many here, when you find yourself unable to defend your position, you lazily lean on personal insults (it’s weak). 

I am able to defend my positions.  It’s not my habit to look away when things come into focus which demand I take a second and third look at my perceptions.  Why not end your emotional outbursts and choose any large Occupy event?  I’ll then show you the violence and arrests which accompanied that event.

YES, I admire the Iraq war and Tea protests.  MILLIONS protested the Iraq war and it was rare to see violence and destruction during those events.  Hundreds of thousands turned out for the Tea Party.  I’m not aware of a single incident of violence or destruction.  The same cannot be said for the comparatively small Occupy gatherings.

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By heterochromatic, March 19, 2012 at 7:19 am Link to this comment

IMax, you were arguing that there was violence….. and you put up that shit about


Four arrests inside Zuccotti Park within 24 hours and EMT injured during tussle to
detain protester
Thursday, November 10, 2011


the homeless guy was one of the four arrested….......read the stuff you link to
before linking

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By Jeff N., March 19, 2012 at 6:40 am Link to this comment

*sigh*  IMax, you are a child.  Good say sir.

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By thecrow, March 19, 2012 at 6:03 am Link to this comment

Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence. Any man who has once proclaimed violence as his method is inevitably forced to take the lie as his principle.

- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2011/11/11/pulverized-to-near-power/

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By IMax, March 19, 2012 at 5:47 am Link to this comment

Jeff N., - “The country supports OWS, where are all these citizens who are upset with OWS for occupying a park?  I’m just not buying it.’

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It’s good that you’re not buying that.  It’s good because I never suggested it.

Care to explain the link you posted before I report to editors?

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By Jeff N., March 19, 2012 at 5:30 am Link to this comment

IMax, your comments are almost entirely based on speculation and hypotheticals, and when I try and engage you on an issue relating to the future of the movement and what our common interests might be, you just continue on with this douchey rant that no one agrees with you on.  The country supports OWS, where are all these citizens who are upset with OWS for occupying a park?  I’m just not buying it.

“Begin doing those things and 99.999% of American will soundly reject you.”  These are just completely unsubstantiated comments, and worthless to the discussion.  You can continue blowing this whole thing out of proportion since it seems to be your sole purpose here anyways, but the FACTS remain that these have been incredibly peaceful movements so far, as you yourself have admitted.  There are certainly going to be more arrests and confrontations because, unlike the Iraq war and the Tea Party protests which you seem to admire so much, OWS is actually intent on accomplishing long term change.

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By IMax, March 19, 2012 at 5:03 am Link to this comment

Maani,

If you’d like to go back and read more carefully all I’ve written I would be glad to respond.  It’s a colossal waste of time to respond to your imagination.

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By Maani, March 18, 2012 at 10:49 pm Link to this comment

IMax:

I know you enjoy being the center of attention (LOL), so…

“Nothing gives you the right to prevent others from our public spaces and/or our rights of private property.  Begin doing those things and 99.999% of American will soundly reject you.”

This is simply poppycock.  Right or no right, the claim that “99.99% of Americans will soundly reject you” is demonstrably absurd.  In fact, even before the Occupy movement spread - when it was solely in NYC - its support among Americans continued to grow exponentially as their original message (income and wealth inequality) became the national conversation.  In fact, even the MSM was carrying stories of just how widely supported the movement was - not LEAST because it had the temerity to actually occupy public space.  Even when the violent episodes began, that support continued, because the majority of those who supported the movement KNEW (i.e., correctly assumed) that the NYPD was instigating more of the violence than the protesters were.  These are demonstrable facts, and just a few minutes of looking at articles in the NYT, WSJ and other mainstream publications in the weeks following the initial occupation of Zuccotti Park will support it.

That is why your comment that “Maani makes wild and unsubstantiated claims which are never proven.  One supposition upon another supposition upon another” is just so much doggy-poo.

As for “If Maani suddenly found a very small contingent if people, say eight, blocking all the entrances to his or her home or office, Maani would call on the very blue collar, public service workers, he/she so reviles and disparages on these pages.”

First, no one was blocking the entrances to the homes or offices around Zuccotti Park.  PLANNED actions that included blocking entrances to certain businesses did occur, but those were few and far between.

Second, I actually support the NYPD in most regards, and even work “with” them as a civilian volunteer. That does not mean I agree with everything they do, and I certanly don’t agree with the way they handled OWS, or the violence they often instigated, either directly or through agents provocateur.  As you note, most cops are “blue collar workers” - and, as such, they simply want to come in, do their 8-hour shift, and be alive to go home to their families.  However, in addition to “bad” cops, there is the fact that even if the “good” cops refuse orders given by superiors, they could easily lose their jobs.  So they are between a rock and a hard place.

Peace.

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By IMax, March 18, 2012 at 10:15 pm Link to this comment

hetero,

The issue in my last post concerned arrests.  Four arrests connected with Zuccotti Park in that one day.  During one arrest an EMT was injured due to violent behavior.  You’re here arguing about a homeless man?

Clearly you’re arguing dishonestly.  There’s no need for it.

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By heterochromatic, March 18, 2012 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

IMax———just cut the shit….please…....and don’t post such shit…...


the headline is from the Daily News and the single arrest mentioned was of a
homeless guy wandering around with his dick out and “derogatory statements
about police and their authority”

he was charged with public lewdness…......


you charge violence and then try to back it up with THIS??????????

shit, IMax, and I expect better from you.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/arrests-zuccotti-park-24-hours-emt-
injured-tussle-detain-protester-article-1.975793

(and the EMT guy twisted his ankle when a drugged-out kid freaked out and
ONE OF THE PROTESTERS called 911.}

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By IMax, March 18, 2012 at 9:26 pm Link to this comment

Four arrests inside Zuccotti Park within 24 hours and EMT injured during tussle to detain protester
Thursday, November 10, 2011

The four men, all in their 20s, were detained by officers in separate incidents at the headquarters of the Occupy Wall Street movement in the financial district.

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That is a single day in November, hetero.  Do you have any evidence of any kind which separates these people from your supposed “bona fide” protesters?

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By heterochromatic, March 18, 2012 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment

IMax——-some people were pepper sprayed by a cop, one asshole tried to
stick his leg under a police scooter for the cameras, one guy pushed a cops’
hand off his shoulder and got punched by the cop for doing that and a couple
of people in the camps were abused by some of the stoned creeps.


I was able to find not a single instance of anybody who spent a day in the
hospital because of OWS violence over three months ( except for the guy
pretending to be run over…and he was released after being treated for nothing
other than scrapes…..


in the three months that the tents were up there was less violence than during a
nd after a Friday night Yankees_Red Sox game

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By IMax, March 18, 2012 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment

hetero,

How many people were injured as a direct result of the Occupation of Zuccotti Park? How many arrests?  Why are you pretending to identify insiders and outsiders?  Do you have any evidence of any kind which supports such identifications?

I know most protesters conduct themselves peaceably.

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By IMax, March 18, 2012 at 8:31 pm Link to this comment

No, gerard.  I’ll not stop.  I have listened closely (something you’ve never extended to me).  You do require revolution in order to meet your needs.  You advocate the taking of private property for the use and benefit of your stated goals.  Not only is this “revolutionary”, it’s an instant recipe for violent confrontation.  Confrontation which you passionately support.  Do not tell me again you support non-violence.

I’ll not stop saying what you yourself admit is an apprehension to utter aloud.  You seek revolutionary changes to an entire global monetary and social structure.

Millions protested the Iraq war with very little crime and few arrests.  Can you show me one large Occupy gathering that did not see crime, violence, and arrests?  Which of the tactics employed by Occupy is the cause of so much violence?  Identify those causes and work to prevent them.

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By heterochromatic, March 18, 2012 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment

in NYC, Imax, you’ve shown nothing of the kind….....there simply wasn’t any real
violence prior to the tearing down of the tents and they were up for months….any
violence during that period was just the usual stuff of city life with the protesters
being victimized by stoned creeps leeching on the protesters because the
protesters let them hang around and sponge.

as I said, you’re looking too hard to find the rarity and ignoring the truth about the
OWS-NYC.

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By IMax, March 18, 2012 at 7:58 pm Link to this comment

Jeff N., - “A significant portion of Occupy IS looking for revolution.”

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Exactly.  A significant portion.  Not a majority of protesters and nowhere near a majority of Americans.  Now put Occupy in proper proportion and perspective.  Nothing gives you the right to prevent others from our public spaces and/or our rights of private property.  Begin doing those things and 99.999% of American will soundly reject you. 

When 300 people Occupy an intersection where tens of thousands are attempting to travel people are going to get hurt.  People will be arrested.  Some will resist.  Some within law enforcement will go too far.  I know for a fact that several Occupy organizers understand these dynamics all too well.  These are not good ideas for effecting lasting, PEACEFUL, change.

You may be willing to accept a number of people being injured or killed for the sake of revolution.  I know many here are so willing.  I know a handful of Occupy organizers are looking for a strong martyr figure to emerge from the planned confrontations this spring and summer.

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By gerard, March 18, 2012 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment

IMax: I have to call you again on a statement about me personally which I resent as a lie: (3/18—4:32)“gerard, in your passion for revolution” ... that’s the second time you pinned one that on me, so cut it out. I’m for nonviolent reform. Period. I’m opposed to violence both in the form of wars or to bring about socialchange, and I don’t use the word “revolution” precisely because for so many people it implies violence. Period. Get that into your head, okay.

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By IMax, March 18, 2012 at 7:25 pm Link to this comment

hetero,

I’m sorry but it’s simply not a true and correct statement to say that not one OWS protester caused violence or destruction near or in Zuccotti Park. 

Yes, we have been over this in the past.  I showed you dozens of examples of violence caused by protesters who were “Occupying” that space. - I know most protesters are not involved in the thousands of incidents so far reported.  As I’ve said many times, I believe I can prove to any reasonable person that most protesters are peaceful.

I am in no way disparaging the average protester. I wish to strengthen, elongate, and fortify the same grievances you outlined below.

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By Jeff N., March 18, 2012 at 7:01 pm Link to this comment

IMax, ahh, now you’ve brought us to a point that is worth discussing.  A significant portion of Occupy IS looking for revolution.  What shape or form that comes in is very difficult to assess and we will see which way this unfolds as time progresses.  But it is not difficult to see that the existing power structures in America are failing its people, and have been doing so for quite some time.  The argument being raised is that there is no use trying to create change within a broken system.  Even though you and I may agree on a lot of issues, we’re just pissing in the wind when it comes to making it happen.  So, revolution or no revolution, I’m for whatever gets us to a lasting, truly democratic society.  If that can be done by raising the awareness and activity of the average American to a point where Washington actually represents the people, awesome.  If it cannot, then what else is there besides revolution?

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By heterochromatic, March 18, 2012 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

IMax——plenty of arrests… just about ZERO violence
from the protesters.

we’ve been over that one,,,,the violence was from
outsiders worming in and nothing else for months.

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By IMax, March 18, 2012 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment

I believe I can prove that most protesters, OWS or otherwise, do so peacefully.

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Jeff N.

Are you concerned about the OWS message?  I am.  Is it your desire to bring about a revolution?  I am opposed.

You’ll have to show me how I’m wrong about the tactics employed so far by Occupy organizers.  Simply telling people they’re wrong never works. 

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Hetero,

There were thousands of arrests in New York last fall.  Hundreds of people and businesses were harassed relentlessly at or near Zuccotti Park.  You’ve either closed your eyes or minimized these events.

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Maani makes wild and unsubstantiated claims which are never proven.  One supposition upon another supposition upon another.  If maani suddenly found a very small contingent if people, say eight, blocking all the entrances to his or her home or office maani would call on the very blue collar, public service workers, he/she so reviles and disparages on these pages.

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By IMax, March 18, 2012 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

gerard,

In your passion for revolution you continue to argue several false premises. 

You do not have the right to block the comings and goings of other citizens.  Most particularly not for extended periods.  When you do that those effected will call the police.  YOU then allow the police no choice but to physically remove you (all-the-while people are throwing bricks and urine at them).  Violence, meaning a physical confrontation, is inevitable.

You do not have the right to appropriate other people’s property when you personally feel aggrieved.  Nothing in the United States gives you that special privilege, no matter how just you may think your cause.  There are several civil reasons why YOU need to keep a clear and safe distance.  You are no exception!

If you choose to break a set of laws by use of your physical presence you will always know what to expect.  Resist and you’ll be met with a physical altercation.  The very same applies when the National Rifle Association may feel aggrieved and sets up a large tent in your living room (that’s illegal).  Or the only egress from your favorite grocery store.  Or the walkways to Planned Parenthood or the Humane Society.  God help the individuals amongst, or standing next to, the ‘Peaceful’ NRA member throwing bricks and blood.  Those persons will VERY LIKELY get their collective asses resoundingly booted.  And the majority will agree and applaud. - I am 100% certain ‘Occupy’ organizers understand all I have just written.  Several have said precisely the same on several occasions.

Millions protested the Iraq War with very few incidents requiring tear-gas and riot gear.  Those protests were felt around the world.  The entire “Coalition” was effected.  Hundreds of thousands amongst the Tea Party protested all over the country and not a single incident of tear-gas.  Not a single incident of destroying other people’s properties.  Those protests changed an entire election cycle and STILL effects domestic and foreign policy today.

We know what causes physical confrontation and we know peaceful protests when we see them.  Now you may want to locate for us a large peaceful Occupy event where no one saw violence.

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By heterochromatic, March 18, 2012 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

Maani—- I’m agin the idea that occupying somebody’s
property or a public park is a sacred right.

I’m agin the lack of direction and structure.


Am for the protests and all for calling attention to
the disproportionate power in the electoral process
of big money.


people have a right to their damned money and a right
to use it to further their political beliefs, and the
rest of us NEED to be reminded to oppose the worst of
those beliefs and to be reminded that greed is not
good or wise or desirable.

they got the bucks so we got to have the numbers.

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By Jeff N., March 18, 2012 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment

Agree with hetero and gerard.  IMax, I’m going to assume you just come here for the purpose of inciting a pointless argument about hypotheticals, and damnit you succeeded in pulling me into it!  A bit low-brow of you though sir, I must say.

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By Maani, March 18, 2012 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment

Did anyone else notice the following?

First, hetero opens the thread by making a smart-aleck remark which is clearly anti-OWS.  Then, IMax makes a (predictable) anti-OWS remark about OWS “violence” - and hetero “challenges” him!  Talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth!

hetero - you need to pick a side and stay with it.  You’re as bad a flip-flopper as Romney.  LOL.

As for OWS “violence,” I will say this once again.

Yes, in any movement there will be people who do not accept the overarching “ethos” of the movement: in this case, the overarching ethos of OWS is non-violence and NVCD.  But there are some - a very very small number, relatively - who “hide out” in movements like this in order to cerate tension with law enforcement personnel.  Sadly, it is extremely difficult to “control” them.  (As well, as another thread is discussing, there are infiltrators and agents provocateur involved…)

To date, the OVERWHELMING PERCENTAGE of violence re OWS protests has been instigated by law enforcement - NOT the other way around.  And it is likely to continue that way, though the media will (almost) always accept the law enforcement “spin” on ANY violence in the movement.

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By heterochromatic, March 18, 2012 at 4:45 pm Link to this comment

IMax——none of the people who started OWS are
interested in violence and there was remarkably
little of it in NYC…..

California’s a different story,,,,as always.

but you seem to have a bit of a desire to see the
exception as representative of the norm.

what I see are misdemeanors and civil disobedience
and some empty-headed idiots tagging on to the core.

and I also see a hell of lot less violence than when
I was a kid running the streets and protests were
much bigger and rowdier than these little
things,,,,and the cops were more likely to answer
disobedience by doling out a trip to the hospital

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By gerard, March 18, 2012 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

Violence, “as we have clearly seen”, is NOT inevitable.  The police—because of the fear and aggression implicit in their training—tend to try to make it “inevitable” because that’s what they are trained to “manage.” It was clear in previous protests that in most cases police had no idea what to do with nonviolent tactics. Their natural impulse is to strike out. That’s not the protesters’ fault, but it is something they have to realize as a given.
  An additional hazard for nonviolent protesters is people on the sidelines who prophesy violence, who insist that nothing else has ever “succeeded”, who cannot imagine the possibility of peaceful change.
  When people advocate violence by predicting it”, and prophesy that the people who are doing the “occupying” are not the “ordinary” people themselves who have a right to be there, but some kind of outside interference—you are stirring up anticipation of trouble ahead of time and attempting to prejudice the situation before it has actually happened.  This sews seeds of fear, doubt and confusion—all forerunners to violence.
  It is obvious that people who use this tactic are not aware of alternatives. As they themselves will say, “It’s not a trick.  There is no conspiracy.  I posses no significant powers of prognostication.”

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By IMax, March 18, 2012 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

Big B,

The “system” will not be brought to its knees in the manner you proscribe.  Not by advocating violence.  And any leaders such a revolution would throw up will likely be nothing Americans will enjoy.

How do I say this delicately? 

You’re right.  Americans are nowhere near sufficiently outraged enough for the types of changes you seek.  But get in their way as they’re trying to get home from work, start “Occupying” their homes, churches, businesses and public spaces, and you’‘ll soon see a collective and swift kick in the ass from the majority.  How do I know this?  It’s not a trick.  There is no conspiracy.  I posses no significant powers of prognostication. I know what I say is accurate because if a group of people suddenly begin occupying your spaces you’ll call your dreaded local police.  You will fully expect a physical confrontation if they refuse to leave.

You’re not fighting The Man, B.  Not this way you’re not. You’re only fighting your neighbors.

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By moonraven, March 18, 2012 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

This thread reeks of rotting cadaver as the hologryam
of the former poster hettie/imax is still hovering
here.

But I am going to hold my nose anyway and simply
mentiion that if you cowardly liions had taken my
suggestion several years back to drive your cars to
Wasjhington DC and bring the whole slimy circus to a
halt, there would be no need for an Occupy moverment
now.

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By IMax, March 18, 2012 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

Jeff N.

Yes I’m serious.  Yes I’ve been to Occupy events.  Yes I witnessed the UC Davis incident and more.

I’m saying that holding a peace sign while over 100 people break into and ‘Occupy’ private property gets people hurt and arrested.  The tactic is designed to be physically confrontational.  Violence, as we’ve clearly seen, is inevitable.

America is replete with examples of large scale demonstrations (grievances) which created significant, long-lasting, changes.  Many of them violent and many non-violent.  “Occupying” public and private spaces is a physical/unlawful* protest designed to illicit very precise physical and legal responses. 

Let me be clear.  I can passionately agree with much of the Occupy message while denouncing the methods and tactics advocated by several ‘Occupy’ organizers.

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*Challenging the notion of “private” property.

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By Big B, March 18, 2012 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment

Oh there will be violence, to be sure. But it most likely will be initiated by the police state and not the OWS protesters. There has never been a completely peaceful counter culture movement. Too many variables, too many people. Anyone involved in the OWS movement should resign themselves now to the fact that they are indeed going to get their asses kicked around by “The Man” for while. It’s gonna look like the ‘68 democratic convention out there. Good. There was not enough outrage back then to bring the system to its knees, and there might not be enough this time. But rest assured, the current system is on the verge of collapse.

There is a perfect storm brewing out there. A storm of financial malfeasence, resource depletion, and global climate change. The shit is going to hit the fan like it never has before. And we are woefully unprepared. We all need to decide in our lifetimes, will we stand with the status quo, or with the revolutionaries?

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By Jeff N., March 18, 2012 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment

IMax, yea because when I think premeditated violence, I think Chris Hedges, Matt Taibbi, George Soros, and a bunch of people standing around with anti-war signs and giving out free food.. are you serious?  Have you ever actually been to an occupy gathering?  Maybe you saw the video of UC Davis kids sitting on the ground getting pepper-sprayed?  I don’t really understand what motivates you to come and trash the occupy movement on a website like this.. it would be like me going on the fox news website and arguing for higher taxes on the rich.  Whats the point?

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By gerard, March 18, 2012 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment

Examples of the language of insinuation:

“Imagine ...”
“We can expect ....”
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By IMax, March 18, 2012 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment

hetero,

I’ve followed various key organizing Web sites.  I’ve studied Chris Hedges where and when he speaks of the requisite preconditions for revolution.  I’ve been studying the past and present words and actions of people such as Matt Taibbi, Bill McKibben, Jim Munroe, Douglas Rushkoff, George Soros, Jonathan Barnbrook, David Graeber and others.  Occupy has never been leaderless.  And of course we got a preview of tactics last fall.  I pay attention.

You chose to dismiss what I was writing here last fall.  Perhaps you’ll remember what I’ve written here today.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, March 18, 2012 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment
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People living under a brutal dictatorship in Egypt were allowed to occupy a public park.  American citizens can’t do that here.

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By heterochromatic, March 18, 2012 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

whose plans, what plans…..can you show those plans ?

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By IMax, March 18, 2012 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

hetero,

The protest model ‘Occupy’ has chosen, premeditated physical confrontation, assures violence.  There are plans to again “Occupy” more private property this spring in hopes of enticing violent confrontation.

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By heterochromatic, March 18, 2012 at 11:33 am Link to this comment

hey IMax, let’s not predict violence ........ you’ve got psychic powers?

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By IMax, March 18, 2012 at 11:21 am Link to this comment

We can expect more premeditated confrontations and violence from the ‘Occupy’ crowds beginning this May.  Occupy organizers plan to heighten tensions in hopes that violence breaks out in several cities simultaneously.  The majority of Americans will insist that local authorities prevent a repeat of what took place six months ago.  Occupy organizers and supporters will insist they are being oppressed.

This protest model ‘Occupy’ has employed is deeply flawed.  People will be hurt, or worse.

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By heterochromatic, March 18, 2012 at 9:40 am Link to this comment

Imagine telling people that the park is closed for the night and it’s time to go
home.

how darest they !!!!

http://youtu.be/zFviqWEo_Ks

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