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Occupy Oakland Calls for Citywide StrikePosted on Oct 27, 2011
Tuesday night’s showdown between Occupy Oakland protesters and police, during which former Marine and two-tour Iraq vet Scott Olsen was critically injured, has spurred movement organizers and local activists to put out a call for a strike across Oakland on Nov. 2, according to the BBC.
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By IMax, October 31, 2011 at 3:27 am Link to this comment
‘Occupy Wall Street’ Protester Sexually Assaulted
Updated: Sunday, 30 Oct 2011, 9:32 AM CDT
Published : Sunday, 30 Oct 2011, 9:32 AM CDT
(NewsCore) - “Occupy Wall Street” protesters in New York’s Zuccotti Park battened down the hatches Saturday as the early October snow turned their tents into igloos, but the close quarters also made easy pickings for one sexual predator.
A man barged into a woman’s tent and sexually assaulted her at around 6:00am, said protesters, who chased him from the park.
“Pervert! Pervert! Get ... out!” said vigilante protesters, who never bothered to call the cops.
“They were shining flashlights in his face and yelling at him to leave,” said a woman who called herself Leslie, but refused to give her real name.
She said that weeks earlier another woman was raped at the protest site. “We don’t tell anyone,” she said. “We handle it internally. I said too much already.”
Report thisBy IMax, October 30, 2011 at 3:57 pm Link to this comment
heterochromatic,
Today I am thoroughly embarrassed to have given my support to these petulant and ignorant children. These protests have gone completely wrong.
This is one example of hundreds. This must stop.
Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters.
The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her.
Now, the Coast Guard is warning all staff working on Atlantic Avenue to avoid those protesters while in uniform.
Report thisBy heterochromatic, October 30, 2011 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment
IMax, you can say that he was hit by a meteorite, but it’s NOT looking more and
more like that.
As long as it’s just you repeating your theory. it’s not more and more anything.
Report thisBy IMax, October 30, 2011 at 2:43 am Link to this comment
heterochromatic,
You said it yourself. “All prevailing theories”.
Multiple contusions to the foot, ribs, elbow and head is consistent with injuries found on victims after being trampled. Not a single blow to the head.
“All published reports” are based on the same single accusation derived from a single unreliable source reportedly engaged in numerous felony assaults on police officers.
It’s looking more like Scott Olsen was trampled by the very crowed he was with. Time will tell.
Report thisBy heterochromatic, October 29, 2011 at 5:17 pm Link to this comment
IMax as you’re contending something that is contrary to all published reports that
Report thisI’ve seen, how about you explaining why he was trampled?
By YoungGringos, October 29, 2011 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment
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I can verify there is a Scott Olsen.
Report thisI saw him bleeding on the ground ten feet away from me.
When he was assaulted by the police he was directly in front of the barricade- in the very front row- so to suggest he was trampled is ridiculous. When the tear gas came raining down protesters ran AWAY from the barricade, not toward it.
By IMax, October 29, 2011 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment
heterochromatic,
Is there a Scott Olsen? I believe so. I saw him on the television.
I can’t claim I know what happened to Scott that day. His injuries are looking more like he may have been trampled. That changes the narrative considerably.
I am now 100% certain this young man is being used by several in the media and OWS all over the nation. It’s also now clear that Oakland protesters provoked and assaulted police officers into reacting.
MoveOn is actively promoting the “Police State” narrative over the Oakland incident - without benefit of verifiable information.
I cringe at this. In no way do I support these actions for attention. I don’t care the cause.
Report thisBy heterochromatic, October 29, 2011 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment
IMax, dooes anyone here actually “know” whether there is a Scott Olsen?
Report thisBy IMax, October 29, 2011 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment
heterochromatic, - “prevailing theory”.
So you see why I ask the question: Does anyone here actually ‘know’ how Mr. Olsen was injured?
It seems no one does at this time.
Report thisBy heterochromatic, October 29, 2011 at 11:11 am Link to this comment
you can read jimbob’s little “oinks” earlier in the thread.
Report thishit with a canister is the prevailing theory and as the mayor and police chief aren’t
gainsaying it, it’ll served until the investigation is completed
By IMax, October 29, 2011 at 4:41 am Link to this comment
heterochromatic,
Concerning Mr. Olsen being hit with a teargas canister: If you have any good information or a source for us to follow-up with that would be much appreciated.
As unfortunate as it is, it now seems clear that Occupy protesters instigated a bloody confrontation with Oakland authorities. Mr. Olsen’s injuries seem consistent with being trampled.
What is the sound of a Jim Bob?
Report thisBy panos, October 28, 2011 at 11:33 pm Link to this comment
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“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered…I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies… The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”
Report thisThomas Jefferson
By heterochromatic, October 28, 2011 at 10:59 pm Link to this comment
IMax—- he WAS hit by a canister and it likely was an assault by one of the cops.
The demonstrators were subverted by some fools talking not unlike jimbob who
decided that they would assault the police and pelt them with paint and bottles
and rocks…..
Olsen can thank those mofos . we can all thank them for their rank idiocy and
when we decide to count up the pigs, the count starts with that group of
protesters.
Report thisthey wanted blood and they’re not going to really be unhappy that it was
Olsen’s. they’re the ones who own his fractured skull every bit as much as the
cop who cracked it.
By YoungGringos, October 28, 2011 at 9:34 pm Link to this comment
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Well, I can only offer my opinion as an Oakland resident, someone who has spent time in the camp and someone who attended the protests Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. Protesters didn’t incite the police until the third round of tear gas, flash bangs, rubber bullets and bean bags. After the third round of pouring Maalox in my eyes even I was considering retaliation.
Report thisI don’t want this to be about the police, but the Oakland police, true to form, can’t help but steal the spotlight. Now we have to get this movement back on track.
Anywhoo…. I’m reading a lot of criticism of the occupy movement here and I guess all I can say is what, in your opinion, will it take to get you and the rest of America off your collective butts? If there is so little support why don’t you ante up and kick in?
The occupy movement isn’t funded by the Koch brothers. It can’t bus people in. It can’t run commercials or candidates. It is true grass roots. It’s run like Burning Man- if you see something that needs doing, then, why aren’t you doing it?
Stop waiting for the perfect movement that will require nothing of you. This is the movement. It’s messy. So clean it up.
By mrfreeze, October 28, 2011 at 9:17 pm Link to this comment
IMax - Thanks for that!
Report thisBy IMax, October 28, 2011 at 8:36 pm Link to this comment
mrfreeze,
At it’s peak there were an estimated 70,000 people from across the U.S. outdoors in support of OWS. That was last week.
These crowds, very organically, are becoming smaller. Not larger. 70,000 is not a movement. Nor is 35,000 today. Not when juxtaposed next to the Tea Party being able to attract 500,000 in a day. And that was a group of people across the States who normally don’t hit the streets in protest. That, unfortunately, is a “Movement”.
Any call for a general strike, or bottles and battles to bait authorities, will prove the end of OWS. In this very real scenario OWS may very well cause a republican sweep of Washington and State Houses in ‘12’. In effect strengthening “Tea” voters tremendously one year from now! In effect moving everything in the opposite direction.
I understand your passion and I share much of it. But looking on OWS as a “movement”, at this time and in my opinion, is realistically premature.
Calls for a general strike, I think, will display to all how just how very weak and precarious this OWS ‘movement’ is. So few will be those who participate.
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What are Americans seeing? Americans are hearing and seeing rats, vandalism, rapes and fights attached to OWS crowds. They’re seeing refusals to move or bend for others. Others who have every right to open their bakery in the morning across the street - without a propane canister through the door - or refusals to keep protesters within bounds, as millions of protesters have before them. This all-out defiance, wide-spread destruction, by children really, will not help in raising real ‘OWS’ issues and the national dialog.
Right or wrong the Tea Party left the Washington Mall cleaner than before they arrived. They aided their cause. They didn’t trash it. Support went up. Not down. - We can learn from that.
Report thisBy mrfreeze, October 28, 2011 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment
IMax - If your concern is that there “isn’t support” or that OWS isn’t “a movement,” then what do you think is going on out there? I don’t mean to put the protesters down…..far from it…..but if there’s SUBSTANCE to the issues raised by the 99% (which there IS), then what’s everyone waiting for? I’ll tell you what: They are waiting for someone else to stop the 1% in their tracks….......but this will not happen in the streets, this will happen in their pocket books, in disrupting their businesses, in gently refusing to “cooperate.” This is what strikes are about. This is why I’m saying, people should go on strike by simply not showing up to serve their corporate masters for a week or two. It would terrify the elites, sober-up the wanna-be elites and it would send a clear message that the world is composed of the many, not the few.
I’m afraid it’s only a matter of time before Americans lose interest in the protests because a) the Media will lose interest, b) the protesters will run out of resources and, the most important factor, c) Americans are too fat, lazy and stupid to pay attention…..You see, as long as the high-fructose-corn-syrup keeps a’coming and FOX News or American Idol is blaring on the TV and the “economists” keep telling us all how much better-off we are than the natives in New Guinea…...well, well, well…..who gives a shit about them there protesters?????
Report thisBy IMax, October 28, 2011 at 4:08 pm Link to this comment
Robespierre115,
Calling for a general strike will put an end to any real support for these protests. People will see, very clearly, how so few actually support these protests enough to participate.
There will be no resounding bang or thud. Calls for a general strike will be met with near total silence.
OWS is nowhere near the level of a “movement”. These are still very small pockets of protesters on life-support in the minds of most. Let’s not kill it by imagining more than actually exists.
Report thisBy IMax, October 28, 2011 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment
Leefeller,
You are right, of course. That being the reason I suspect the poor man is being used.
I believe I speak for most when I say very few will support throwing more rocks and bottles at anyone to support what may be a lie or false.
OWS is in danger of losing all standing and public support.
Report thisBy mrfreeze, October 28, 2011 at 2:52 pm Link to this comment
lane 08 - “A city wide strike on a city so in trouble economically is idiotic. It will hurt all the
small businesses that are hanging by a thread.”
A couple of weeks ago I stated on these boards that Gandhi’s general strike (a day of prayer & fasting) idea, sent a clear message to the British (and all their enablers) that they weren’t running the show. I think it’s interesting now, that some are calling for a general strike in Oakland. I think there should be a general strike nationwide and that it should last for a good solid week.
I’m afraid I have to disagree with your concern for small business owners. Here’s why: several of my friends own small businesses and to listen to them go on about how terrible the unions are, how terrible the teachers are, how awful the “government” employees are, how lazy people people are….and then watch them take their money with a smile really pisses me off. I realize “the small guy” may get hurt by a general strike but in my book, EVERYONE needs to know who does all the work around here…..there’s no better way to demonstrate that by simply not showing up…..no drums, no tents, no portapotties, no need to listen to the media go on about “what do they believe in????” Simply not showing up and letting all those “job creators” pick up a broom just might change things.
Report thisBy Robespierre115, October 28, 2011 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment
@lane08, do you know what a strike is? It isn’t a boycott. If the workers all strike then it paralyzes the city and makes the government know that without the people it is oppressing, society will not function. This is why general strikes have always been a powerful tool in every major revolution, read some history. How do you strike against Walgreens? WTF
Report thisBy Leefeller, October 28, 2011 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment
I max, symbols are always utilized to bring together causes, just like the fruit vendor in Egypt. I do not know if it is the right thing to do, but rally cries usually work better if they have something to rally behind or around.
Hell, many wars are usually started in the same way! Maybe this is war?
Report thisBy IMax, October 28, 2011 at 11:41 am Link to this comment
Project Mayhem,
I understand what you “believe”. May I now ask you to share with everyone what it is you know?
The theory that Scott Olsen was hit by a teargas canister is being reported all over the media, however, I have seen nothing by way of this being anything but conjecture.
Minus any facts it looks to me like Mr. Olsen is being used by many people attached to the OWS protests and several within the media.
Once again: I support the dialog and a few of the issues OWS has brought to the national stage. What I cannot support is using the suffering of Mr. Olsen for OWS’s gains.
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I believe a city-wide strike against Oakland will prove only to turn most people away from OWS. I believe it will prove the quickest way to marginalize, and then dissipate, all support.
Report thisBy Project Mayhem, October 28, 2011 at 10:40 am Link to this comment
@lane08
Absolutely spot on comment. Raises awareness and helps establish a camarderie vis-a-vis small business owners and the OWS protesters. I hope that’s exactly what happens.
Report thisBy jimbob, October 28, 2011 at 8:39 am Link to this comment
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Just as they did during the Vietnam war protests of the
Report this60;s, the cops (formerly “the pigs”) are playing their role
perfectly in increasing interest in and sympathy for a
movement that they are supposed to be solidly opposed to.
Making confrontations where no confrontation is necessary,
they are the lifeblood of any protest movement.
By lane08, October 28, 2011 at 8:37 am Link to this comment
A city wide strike on a city so in trouble economically is idiotic. It will hurt all the
small businesses that are hanging by a thread.
Instead do a TARGETED strike against all corporate entities—Safeway, CVS,
Walgreens, Albertson’s, Bank of Amer and all banks—you get the the idea.
And at the same time, make a point of visiting the small, locally owned places—
bakeries, small clothing stores, independent book stores.
Don’t hurt the 99%. Help them. Strike only against the 1%.
Report thisBy Project Mayhem, October 28, 2011 at 7:43 am Link to this comment
I believe he was struck by some kind of projectile, possibly a tear gas canister from close range; the force with which they are discharged is quite lethal. Your suggestion that Olsen is being “used” is specious. It seems to me that the movement is drawing attention to the criminality/brutality of the local fascists by calling for a general strike, an act that is morally justifiable. Are you suggesting it would better for the movement to disregard the near-mortal wounding of one its own by the Police State, for fear of looking politically partisan? On its face, that seems to me an utterly ridiculous position to take.
Report thisBy IMax, October 28, 2011 at 5:57 am Link to this comment
Does anyone here know how the poor Iraq war vet, Scott Olsen, was so horribly injured? That information seems strangely missing in every news account and commentary I’ve seen to date.
I fear his injuries, along with his sufferings as I write this, is being used to the benefit of many in the media and OWS protest organizers.
I support the national dialog which has come out of the OWS protests. These are issues that must be made part of U.S. national focus. But if my fears are correct, that Scott Olsen is being used, I am disgusted.
Report thisBy Robespierre115, October 27, 2011 at 5:07 pm Link to this comment
This is a great sign that some of the Occupy movements are reconnecting the the spirit of militant workers’ struggles. This is how you fight back, strike and let the capitalists know that it is the workers who move the screws that make society function.
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