Apollo 11 astronaut Buzz Aldrin walks on the moon on July 20, 1969.
As if there wasn’t enough to attend to on Earth at the moment, President Barack Obama also has to focus on U.S. plans in space. As members of his administration announced Sunday, these plans will not only significantly diverge from those of the preceding administration but also, in some ways, from the direction that previous presidents have pursued for the last half-century.
Most significantly, perhaps, Obama wants to put the kibosh on NASA’s moon program. This ought to spawn some interesting conspiracy theories. —KA
The New York Times:
President Obama is calling on NASA to cancel the program that was to return humans to the Moon by 2020, and focus instead on radically new space technologies.
Mr. Obama’s 2010 budget proposal for NASA asks for $18 billion over five years for fueling spacecraft in orbit, new types of engines to accelerate spacecraft through space and robotic factories that could churn soil on the Moon — and eventually Mars — into rocket fuel.
Plans for a new mission to leave Earth’s orbit will probably not be spelled out for a few years, and the budget proposal makes it clear that any future exploration program will be an international collaboration, not an American one, more like the International Space Station than Apollo.
“I think this is a dramatic shift in the way we’ve gone about particularly human spaceflight over the past almost 50 years,” said John M. Logsdon, former director of the Space Policy Institute at George Washington University who was one of about a dozen people who were briefed about the NASA proposal Sunday evening.
“It is a somewhat risky proposition,” Dr. Logsdon said, “but we’ve been kind of stuck using the technologies we’ve developed in the ’50s and ’60s.”
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Given the rate that we are destroying our earth, we will need someplace else to go in the future. People will say that the money used in the space program should be used for domestic problems here on earth. The problem is that it won’t be used for that. The Pentagon will continue their conquest for power,resources and control of other countries through conquest and building and using weapons of mass destruction. The private corporations will gain control of space research and humans will have to pay through the teeth to get off this ruined planet.
Why do I picture a flying microwave with Native Americans straped to it going through space? Now we seem tp have a picture of the real Spirit of America!
Who decides, what America wants?
In one’s own mind, keeping a few steps ahead of others becomes so very important, that is to say, being full of ones self may otherwise become meaningless.
Going back to the moon would require ten times more than NASA admits, since work is done by the greedy profit driven military sector. It would prove nothing.
We need to find a cheap way to put stuff into space orbit, and assisted launch is the solution. http://www.g2mil.com/skyramp.htm
hello again. the last great frontier is over. the only chance we have to survive as a race is here on Earth. exploring space is an adventure, and has collateral benefits. do you own a microwave oven? these are the rights i write of, not imperialistic ownership of space. new technologies benefiting mankind, that being in the drivers seat come from us. i do not like waiting for hand me downs, that is not in my genes. i want for Americans to remain on the forward edge. i take exception at your imperialistic dialogue, yet i pray for your psychology to embrace the spirit of America.
“..we should stay in the drivers seat and go where America wants to go. completing the NASA project maintains our leadership and proprietary rights.”
Sadly, this is the typical psychology of imperialism, full scale dominance and American exceptionalism. This way of thinking perpetuates war, conquest and conflict, and shows almost complete lack of empathy for fellow human beings. “Proprietary rights”? What makes anyone think America (or any other country or agency) has “proprietary rights” to space, space exploration, space governance, space exploitation? Too much “Star Wars”!
Why not see it as an opportunity to cooperate? That opportunity may be our last chance to survive.
hello. expanding the playing field is great, but you do not bet on safety and performance. we have a new rocket and system in place nearing completion, why not proceed with NASA to have a backup plan, if commercial competitors start as Wylie Coyote? our space program, our progress in space, should not be relegated to hitching a ride. we should stay in the drivers seat and go where America wants to go. completing the NASA project maintains our leadership and proprietary rights. this is the second to last government program to cut. i would barter the office of the presidency at the UN before cutting a space program.
The entire space program (including SDI, as the Russians and Chinese know full well) is and always has been a cover for the militarization and military ownership and hegemony of space, contrary to numerous treaties and agreements the US has cynically signed then ignored, as is the long-standing pattern. Sending people to the moon was a PR strategy to put a human face and garner public support (and public funding) for high-tech research that was and is then put into private hands for private profit when a product that can be mass-marketed to consumers is developed, the tried-and-true “socialize the risks - privatize the profit” technique method of US National Socialism, and the de facto means by which the corporations enrich themselves at public expense (in other words, corporate welfare). It was cheaper even back in the late 1960s to do without the human cargo, but imperialism, militarism, and the quest for corporate profit at the expense of programs of social uplift is never popular among those who must pay the costs. It sells much better when the pork-barrel reality of enriching the already rich and further concentration of elite power is disguised with mass appeals to Anglo-American superiority and slogans supportive of patriotic mythologies.
Now is definitely NOT the time to continue a farcical trip to put
humans back on the moon because of…MONEY!
All the trip would be is to return more of OUR money to people
more related to defense contractors than anything that would be
beneficial for something on the moon, better to create a bunch
of rectal probes to see if our government’s brains are stuck so
far up their ass that a hydrologic enema would be able to free
them.
International collaboration is a great idea, as anything that happens to the earth from outer space would include the whole earth. International collaboration makes sense, as shared funding responsibility would be easier on each nation to accomplish a unified goal, but would cut out United States private enterprise domination in space that would have to be dealt with by the Permanent Members of the UN.
By Gregorio, February 1, 2010 at 1:02 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
Here’s one conspiracy theory: Keep the brakes on our space program, keep it easily controlled robotic explorers, and stay the hell in low earth orbit for as long as possible. Otherwise, the inevitable will be “discovered” and humans are not yet ready for it. I think they can maybe get another 50 yrs. or so to prepare with this approach. Good luck! Sad for older folks though who are definitely ready for the next level of human evolution. We’re just SOL.
The big deal for NASA and all the other space-involved agencies is to get as much money out of the Fed as possible, whether for research or production or actual exploration.
Fact is, robotics is getting so far advanced that very soon it will be much cheaper to send robots on exploration than humans because humans require such a trememdously expensive infrastructure to go along with them just so they can remain alive.
Naturally, none of the agencies want to lose any appropriations. Getting NASA to give up stunts like that of last October—shooting the moon for water to sustain another manned flight—will take some heavy squeezing.
In preparation for the shift, I have a suggestion for Cal Tech: Immediately establish and fund a Research Department devoted entirely to Peacetime Technologies, and see what all those high IQs can come up with to pull us out of our dependence upon producing wars and war hardware as our national jobs machine.
By Vic Anderson, February 1, 2010 at 11:53 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
And rightly so; thanks to NASA, we’ve LEARNED there is literally No WHERE TO GO!
Time to come down to earth and home to our land and recoup its felicity and
freedom.
By ofersince72, February 2, 2010 at 11:48 pm Link to this comment
Please Hamneggs…....Add Hilary to the list!!!!!
Report thisBy Southern Gal, February 2, 2010 at 9:12 am Link to this comment
Given the rate that we are destroying our earth, we will need someplace else to go in the future. People will say that the money used in the space program should be used for domestic problems here on earth. The problem is that it won’t be used for that. The Pentagon will continue their conquest for power,resources and control of other countries through conquest and building and using weapons of mass destruction. The private corporations will gain control of space research and humans will have to pay through the teeth to get off this ruined planet.
Report thisBy tony_opmoc, February 2, 2010 at 8:29 am Link to this comment
Next time they “go”, they should turn the engine on and create a bit of a moon dust storm.
Last time they landed, they appeared to use a crane and didn’t disturb a speck of moon dust which was very impressive.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo5.html
Tony
Report thisBy Leefeller, February 2, 2010 at 7:13 am Link to this comment
The Spirit of America, according to we?
Why do I picture a flying microwave with Native Americans straped to it going through space? Now we seem tp have a picture of the real Spirit of America!
Who decides, what America wants?
In one’s own mind, keeping a few steps ahead of others becomes so very important, that is to say, being full of ones self may otherwise become meaningless.
Report thisBy Carl, February 1, 2010 at 9:49 pm Link to this comment
Going back to the moon would require ten times more than NASA admits, since work is done by the greedy profit driven military sector. It would prove nothing.
We need to find a cheap way to put stuff into space orbit, and assisted launch is the solution.
Report thishttp://www.g2mil.com/skyramp.htm
By rollzone, February 1, 2010 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment
hello again. the last great frontier is over. the only chance we have to survive as a race is here on Earth. exploring space is an adventure, and has collateral benefits. do you own a microwave oven? these are the rights i write of, not imperialistic ownership of space. new technologies benefiting mankind, that being in the drivers seat come from us. i do not like waiting for hand me downs, that is not in my genes. i want for Americans to remain on the forward edge. i take exception at your imperialistic dialogue, yet i pray for your psychology to embrace the spirit of America.
Report thisBy gerard, February 1, 2010 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment
“..we should stay in the drivers seat and go where America wants to go. completing the NASA project maintains our leadership and proprietary rights.”
Sadly, this is the typical psychology of imperialism, full scale dominance and American exceptionalism. This way of thinking perpetuates war, conquest and conflict, and shows almost complete lack of empathy for fellow human beings. “Proprietary rights”? What makes anyone think America (or any other country or agency) has “proprietary rights” to space, space exploration, space governance, space exploitation? Too much “Star Wars”!
Report thisWhy not see it as an opportunity to cooperate? That opportunity may be our last chance to survive.
By rollzone, February 1, 2010 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment
hello. expanding the playing field is great, but you do not bet on safety and performance. we have a new rocket and system in place nearing completion, why not proceed with NASA to have a backup plan, if commercial competitors start as Wylie Coyote? our space program, our progress in space, should not be relegated to hitching a ride. we should stay in the drivers seat and go where America wants to go. completing the NASA project maintains our leadership and proprietary rights. this is the second to last government program to cut. i would barter the office of the presidency at the UN before cutting a space program.
Report thisBy Leefeller, February 1, 2010 at 4:36 pm Link to this comment
Going to the moon with tax payers money sounds kind of like socialism to me, maybe even pinko like the bile out!
Report thisBy FRTothus, February 1, 2010 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment
The entire space program (including SDI, as the Russians and Chinese know full well) is and always has been a cover for the militarization and military ownership and hegemony of space, contrary to numerous treaties and agreements the US has cynically signed then ignored, as is the long-standing pattern. Sending people to the moon was a PR strategy to put a human face and garner public support (and public funding) for high-tech research that was and is then put into private hands for private profit when a product that can be mass-marketed to consumers is developed, the tried-and-true “socialize the risks - privatize the profit” technique method of US National Socialism, and the de facto means by which the corporations enrich themselves at public expense (in other words, corporate welfare). It was cheaper even back in the late 1960s to do without the human cargo, but imperialism, militarism, and the quest for corporate profit at the expense of programs of social uplift is never popular among those who must pay the costs. It sells much better when the pork-barrel reality of enriching the already rich and further concentration of elite power is disguised with mass appeals to Anglo-American superiority and slogans supportive of patriotic mythologies.
Report thisBy samosamo, February 1, 2010 at 2:46 pm Link to this comment
Now is definitely NOT the time to continue a farcical trip to put
humans back on the moon because of…MONEY!
All the trip would be is to return more of OUR money to people
Report thismore related to defense contractors than anything that would be
beneficial for something on the moon, better to create a bunch
of rectal probes to see if our government’s brains are stuck so
far up their ass that a hydrologic enema would be able to free
them.
By ThomasG, February 1, 2010 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment
International collaboration is a great idea, as anything that happens to the earth from outer space would include the whole earth. International collaboration makes sense, as shared funding responsibility would be easier on each nation to accomplish a unified goal, but would cut out United States private enterprise domination in space that would have to be dealt with by the Permanent Members of the UN.
Report thisBy Gregorio, February 1, 2010 at 1:02 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
Here’s one conspiracy theory: Keep the brakes on our space program, keep it easily controlled robotic explorers, and stay the hell in low earth orbit for as long as possible. Otherwise, the inevitable will be “discovered” and humans are not yet ready for it. I think they can maybe get another 50 yrs. or so to prepare with this approach. Good luck! Sad for older folks though who are definitely ready for the next level of human evolution. We’re just SOL.
Report thisBy gerard, February 1, 2010 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment
The big deal for NASA and all the other space-involved agencies is to get as much money out of the Fed as possible, whether for research or production or actual exploration.
Fact is, robotics is getting so far advanced that very soon it will be much cheaper to send robots on exploration than humans because humans require such a trememdously expensive infrastructure to go along with them just so they can remain alive.
Naturally, none of the agencies want to lose any appropriations. Getting NASA to give up stunts like that of last October—shooting the moon for water to sustain another manned flight—will take some heavy squeezing.
In preparation for the shift, I have a suggestion for Cal Tech: Immediately establish and fund a Research Department devoted entirely to Peacetime Technologies, and see what all those high IQs can come up with to pull us out of our dependence upon producing wars and war hardware as our national jobs machine.
Report thisBy Lenny, February 1, 2010 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
With such a colossal amount NASA would really make tremendous achievements in new space technologies as it proved in past.
Report thisBy Hammond Eggs, February 1, 2010 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment
Send Obama, Geithner, Summers and Bernanke to the moon and leave them there.
Report thisBy Vic Anderson, February 1, 2010 at 11:53 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
And rightly so; thanks to NASA, we’ve LEARNED there is literally No WHERE TO GO!
Report thisTime to come down to earth and home to our land and recoup its felicity and
freedom.