or just the oppisite

OBAMA,  What are you doing??

My sides won’t hold up much longer!!!!!!!!!!!

It even gets more amusing then

It goes to district court gets upheld
Then to Appeals court and gets overturned
Then to Supreme Court….anything goes

Will the mandate be considered constitutional? If one looks at a recent precedent ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court that deemed municipalities have the right to declare eminent domain property rights over citizens’ homes, in order to assuage the demands of private commercial development projects… I think you might get an answer.

i hope someone has an opinion

will the mandates be held unconstitutional??
being forced to buy private ins..
it seems like a constitutional problem
the supreme court just might deem it unconstitutional
where will we be with health care then ????

It seems that jeffrey2425 bought into that working class myth of President Obama and his “near impoverished single parent”.
Times were tough indeed for the young man who fought his way out of private schools in Hawaii, and learned early on from his grandma, that banking is indeed a very lonely life. It is not surprising that the president considers Lloyd Blankfein a very savvy businessman.

The Eight Failures of the Obama Administration Were Not Based on Liberal
Policies, but on a Corporate Welfare Principle and on Previous Republican
Policies

1.Ignoring previous Republican crimes, misdemeanors and profligacy ?– e.g. tax
cuts for the wealthy:
By establishing the public policy precedent, Obama’s White House and Dept of
Justice have effectively legalized torture, rendition (kidnapping) and wire
tapping without warrants. By ignoring or exonerating Bush-era behaviors,
Obama has become associated with the previous administration’s crimes, and,
in fact, excused the crimes and the criminals. This hurt America around the
world and put a large dent in Obama’s own credibility here at home.
2. Supporting a stingy stimulus that was half of what was needed and ?was
one-third tax breaks, not jobs.
By giving way to Republican and corporate demands, Obama supported a
‘stimulus bill’ that cost us $248,000 per job created. Tax benefits to
corporations and the wealthy drove up the cost of each job created and drove
down the number of jobs created. This resulted in more unemployed for a
longer period of time and hurt his chances for a second (and hopefully more
effectively targeted) ‘jobs bill’.
?3. Killing the only option that would have slowed the cost of health ?care & led
to universal coverage.
By ignoring the policy and proposal the Democratic Party ran and won on,
Obama has destroyed meaningful reform. The proposal he has put forward is
simply the current system heavily subsidized with tax payer money and
mandated ‘customers’. This has alienated voters across the board,
conservatives, moderates and liberals.
?4. Accelerating the Bush bailout, $ 4.3 trillions in bailouts, ?guarantees and
purchasing assets from the private sector at well above market ?value.?
5. Escalating a meaningless and fruitless war.?
By ignoring advise from Volker, Steglitz, Krugman (i.e. experts on the right, in
the middle and on the left), the massive corporate bailout left taxpayers
holding trillions of worthless debt and ‘assets’, while the financial sector
enjoyed record profits. This extension and acceleration of Bush and Republican
policies reduced Obama’s credibility and left voters without a champion in DC:
the Democrats had become protectors of the corporations and the wealthy,
with the voters holding the bag.
6. Gutting real financial reform and substitute finger wagging and silly ?taxes
and fees, while banking fees continue up, lending freezes and credit ?tightens.
By mis-handling the entire bailout and not taking the opportunity to move
toward reform during the crisis, Obama lost all sense of urgency and all
bargaining power over the institutions. This action or lack thereof gives the
impression the administration was just making it up as they went along, with
the intent of ‘saving the system’, i.e. bailing out the financial institutions in
any way necessary, and not really caring about anything or anyone else.
?7. Not helping people with bankruptcy and mortgages remediation – ?
accelerating middle class decline.?
By establishing corporations as the primary beneficiaries of federal largess,
Obama had left himself little room to help individuals. This left liberals,
conservatives and moderates little choice but to see Obama as the Godfather of
Corporatism with no concern for voters or ‘the people’.
8. Fiddling around and not passing a jobs bill.?
By blowing the first stimulus, committing trillions to corporations, trying to
have ‘reform’ and not have ‘reform’ of health care, and, throughout it all,
losing the support of voters and the base that brought him to office, Obama
has made himself irrelevant to the public debate and more importantly to the
decision-making process.

The eight decisions tell you need to know about Obama.

Obama and his managerial team is managing fine. So is media. It always plays just the right role. Judiciary is silent; silence being its assigned role except when giving its; oops, THEIR ruling.

But the THEM, the ogrish class, is not asking for a ruling on the question whether the right to health care is a right or a wrong.

But neither is the vast majority of americans asking the most important questions. One of them wld be, Does US have the right to wage wars of aggression whenever a few lunatics attack US?

So, it seems to me, things are going well for americans that matter! thnx

You have to admire the twisted logic of President Obama’s health care reform, where people are ordered to buy financial “products” from the health insurance corporations. A similar tactic has come into vogue concerning credit cards and banks, who now charge you inactivity fee if you haven’t used their credit card for the last six months. (Don’t want to go in debt? It is going to cost you!) And everybody who cares to look will see that when it comes to corporate compliance, President Obama is the head cheer leader. He does not see a problem with those savvy businessmen packing away billions. The only thing that is really troubling is that Barack (who is suppose to be bright) actually has the audacity to call these legal avenues of robbery a free market system.
The cosmetic improvement of having the junior Senator from Illinois replace the former governor of Texas at the head table, has proved to be fleeting. The pretzel logic and the BS have taken their toll. Or, as Bart of The Simpsons would ask: how long does it take to go from cool to a tool?

Process & Substance.

Process: Judging from the spectacle of the President’s public humiliation, it’s
evident he’s lost the support of virtually all Americans. If this is what he meant
by ?‘consensus’, he’s achieved it: moderates, conservatives and liberals are
united ?in their opposition.

The ‘reforms’ are variously considered a sham, trivial or an ?institutionalization
of the current disastrous health care system (only with ?more public subsidies to
the insurance industry). 

The complete and utter ?powerlessness of this President is all too evident in the
drama unfolding in DC, as he seeks ‘bi-partisanship’ for a proposal the voters
of neither party support. ?Pity Obama, the Democrats and the nation.

Substance:
The confusion and endless gyrations evident in the plan (try reading it) are the
result of trying to fit ‘reform of the system’ into the system’s current contorted,
inefficient and costly contours (in other words, the plan is not a ‘reform’, but
more pasting things on to a broken system - we used to refer to such things as
a ‘kluge’.

Here’s what the people wanted when the Democrats started:

“A mere seven months ago (that would be around June 2009), The New York ?
Times/CBS poll found that 72% of Americans ‘supported a government-?
administered insurance plan—something like Medicare for those under 65—?
that would compete for customers with private insurers.’”

From then until now, Obama has:?

1.  Rejected single payer;
?2.  Stiff-armed the government option;
?3.  Mandated individuals and families pay premiums to private sector insurers;
4.  Assured billions in tax payer subsidies for private sector insurers; ?
5.  Stipulated actual health care service at 80 cents of every dollar, while ?
insurers can spend 20 cents of every premium dollar on lobbying,
‘sympathetic’ ?candidates, CEO bonuses, ‘administration’, fighting claims for
treatment and, ?now we can add, participating on the new Federal ‘rate review’
Board.

The substance of the President’s proposal is the current costly, inefficient and ?
ineffective private for-profit insurance system on Federal steroids.

The ‘summit’, the process the President has invited on himself, is resulting in
little more than the public pillorying of the ?weakest President since Jimmy
Carter.

If Obama wanted to cast himself as a leader, this was surely his last chance,
and he blew it with a plan to keep the current system in place, while
supplementing it with taxpayers’ money in the forms of both mandated
premium payments and Federal ‘subsidies’.  That’s no reform at all. Thanks,
but No Thanks.

If there ever was any doubt in my mind as to who and to what Obama was really all about, it’s gone now…

I have no more interest in hearing him, seeing him, or listening to anything he says….I’m done…

I’m boycotting Obama….

I think everybody should just shut the hell up. If a health bill is passed, it will not be perfect. However, in subsequent years it can be fine tuned.

As for public opinion, yes the president and his administration should be sensitive to it, however; right now, “public opinion”  is amounting to nothing more than a tower of Babel and public a consensus is proving impossible to reach. If he bases his decisions on the cureent babble - right and left, nothing will be accomplished. I’d rather see, at least, a foundation for future health care established than nothing at all.

We do not need an FDR, nor a Hoover, nor an Obama. We need each other.

peace

The reality is Obama is a Joe Lieberman Democrat.  We now know he never fought for the public option (an idea that polls show has popular support) because he never wanted it from the beginning.  Progressives need to fight to kill “reform” that includes a mandate to buy private insurance, whose prices are skyrocketing.  Buying food for one’s table has a higher priority than even health insurance.

We needed an FDR. Instead, we got Hoover.