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Oakland, Atlanta Officials Take It Up a Notch Against Occupy Movement

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Posted on Oct 25, 2011
AP / Ben Margot

Oakland police in riot gear guard a barricade on the perimeter of Frank H. Ogawa Plaza on Tuesday.

Tuesday morning’s arrests of Occupy Oakland protesters, along with the recent display of police prowess that Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed visited upon the occupy encampment in his own city, add up to signs of trouble that could threaten the peaceful tone of the movement, at least as The Christian Science Monitor framed it Tuesday. But is this an accurate read on mayoral-movement relations or another attempt at a trend-watch piece on the part of the MSM? You decide.  —KA

The Christian Science Monitor:

In Atlanta, after originally giving protesters until Nov. 7 to clear out from a downtown park, Mayor Kasim Reed threatened to revoke that order on Monday. He said the relationship between the city and protesters had changed and campers are “on a clear path to escalation.”

While the original Occupy Wall Street protesters have won standoffs with New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, other city mayors are quickly losing patience with the protest movement, which drew inspiration from Middle East revolutions and anti-austerity protests in Europe as it spread to dozens of US cities in recent weeks.

The rising tensions are testing how far protesters are willing to go to draw attention to their cause – and how long local authorities are willing to let their parks and squares remain occupied.

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By heterochromatic, October 26, 2011 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

cpb——” So what you’re saying is that we can get
upset about such but we can’t operate ‘outside the box’,
we have to obey all the rules”—-

nope you don’t have to obey the rules. you just don’t get to pretend that there
aren’t any rules or that your group doesn’t have to follow them but everyone
else has to…..


if the courts say that you have to move and when the cops tell you to move and
you tell the cops that you don’t have to obey….why should the cop have to obey
the rule that says he can’t beat your ass bloody ? (just for instance, I don’t think
that we have a deficit of bloody asses and don’t advocate adding to the total)


what’s the ” lack of habeus corpus” thing? don’t remember that one.

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By cpb, October 26, 2011 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

“no matter how much we might admire the protest, the
public is everyone and no small group gets to take over
and occupy any part of it without submitting to the
regulations that serve a legitimate interest of the
public.”

- heterochromatic

The key phrase there being “submitting to the
regulations that serve a legitimate interest of the
public”.

Lemme see now - what about the regulations that have
been overturned, subverted or ignored, that otherwise
would have served the legitimate financial interests of
the public, but instead gave us global financial near-on
collapse?  So what you’re saying is that we can get
upset about such but we can’t operate ‘outside the box’,
we have to obey all the rules and make change through
the proper channels?  Perhaps there will be a box we can
tick on the next ballot that will solve these problems I
suppose. 

In another post you called bullshit on someone who
pointed out the lack of habeus corpus.  What alternate
USofA are you living in?

What is going on clearly ticks you off but your attempts
to validate your position are not resonating in any
meaningful way.

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By heterochromatic, October 26, 2011 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

ex-expat,
behold ameriKa the unfree reality.

behold everything gone down the wrong way,

behold fascism.

——-

behold the steaming heap in your hands…. stick it back up y’ass.

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By heterochromatic, October 26, 2011 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

By Daeggman,
Our laws have been co-opted by the wealthy, written to protect them and enslave
us. There is no more bill of rights, no more habeus corpus. American citizens can
be assassinated for speaking out against the government.

———

bullshit and overwrought sophomoric gibberish…...not a jot or tittle more.

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By Daeggman, October 26, 2011 at 7:39 am Link to this comment
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Our laws have been co-opted by the wealthy, written to protect them and enslave us. There is no more bill of rights, no more habeus corpus. American citizens can be assassinated for speaking out against the government. The bankers are at it again, just like the 20’s, another period where the rich trounced the workers of this nation. Screw the law, occupy, resist and get the cops on your side…occupy the fundamentalist churches who’s preachers support the rich, occupy Rush Limbaugh’s Radio station because he lies to the masses on behalf of the rich, occupy Fox News as they are the paid mouthpiece of the rich, occupy the businesses who have decided that we should pay more taxes than them and offshore their profits and send our jobs overseas because they are the enforcers of the rich, occupy the offices of the hedge funds as they drain the economy of the middle class to benefit the rich, occupy all those places that have turned our democracy into a corporate oligarchy because democracy is truly hated by the rich. Be a wrench in the machine, stop it from working, make them be violent, because if we resist passively to violence, we will win the hearts and minds of America,

First they ignore you (September media coverage), then they laugh at you (October media coverage), then they fight you (welcome to November), then you win (Merry Christmas!!)
Mohandas Gandhi

Support OWS, wherever and whenever you can. Be brave, those of you on the street, America is behind you at 56% and rising. Stay peaceful, but determined, we will send more tents, more food. Those of us who believe can support you on the front lines, even if we can’t get there ourselves. You are important, you are revolutionary, you are needed more than ever. OWS is what change looks like you lying politicians. Stand behind OWS on election day. Vote independent, vote change for the better, vote in the brave and thoughtful, oust the tea, oust the repubs, oust the dems, let’s get back to the grassroots and get our country back from those who never lost it in the first place. Organize online, share the candidates for local, state and federal government with each other. We can make it work, we can spread the news, we can make a difference, even if its just from our computers. Everyone can help, money, intellect, bodies, plans, tweeting…just pass it on, and keep up the good work done so far. Our children will thank you!!

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By IMax, October 26, 2011 at 5:58 am Link to this comment

Outraged,

Actually, out of fairness, it should be pointed out that Tea Party supporters who carried firearms at these events carried them in states which allow the practice (largely in states where it’s a daily occurrence. It would have been unlawful for the authorities to prohibit the carrying of firearms. - Only if there had been crimes committed, or if there had been any signs of violence, would local officials have banned firearms.

I am disturbed by the violence and vandalism at so many OWS events. It forces people to either tune-out or easily dismiss a few real issues brought to light.

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By ex-expat, October 26, 2011 at 1:16 am Link to this comment
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behold ameriKa the unfree reality.

behold everything gone down the wrong way,

behold fascism.

behold war crimes and crimes against humanity all over the place.

The only way is to pop them.

pop the pigs, the banksters, the well coiffed media vermin, the whole bit.  Stalk them, pop them.  Big and small.  Let them live in fear.

Christmas is coming, start decorating them trees a bit early.

There is no such thing as a non violent revolution.

These black hooded hoods have shown you the only language they speak…  it isn’t lawful, legal, Constitutional or any of the like…

Time for revolution is now, at any and all levels, disorganized so as not to be infiltrated, lone wolf style, with millions of copycats.  turn sabotage into an art form.

if you think about it, it’s an incredibly fragile house of cards…  quite easy to bring down actually.

All it takes is a small group of determined individuals with a common goal who don’t even know each other so as not to be tracked and neutered.  It’s the ultimate weapon.

It’s their maximum fear.

“The Tree of Liberty must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of tyrants and patriots”—Jefferson

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By Outraged, October 25, 2011 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment

Re: heterochromatic, October 25

I know this but in that type of situation, a protest I
mean the cops would NOT allow it.  No.  Especially when
there are counter-protesters present.  They would use
the meme of “public safety” and ask that the guns be
put away or that that person leave the area.

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By heterochromatic, October 25, 2011 at 7:00 pm Link to this comment

Dear Outraged…..in the USA there are quite a few places where the law says that
people may permissibly carry guns on their persons…...

you may be surprised by this news ...but it ain’t really news…check the laws in
Arizona and a few other places.

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By Outraged, October 25, 2011 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment

Re: Blueokie, October 25 at 2:23

“Where were all these brave “protect and servers”when the Koch Brother minions of the tea baggers show up armed to the teeth at their rallies or a Presidential speech..”

I agree.  The wacko tea baggers were showing up with pistols strapped to their sides yet they were not even questioned, and you know that was no accident. It’s obvious the cops were TOLD to let those wackos indulge themselves.  Cops would investigate this type of thing at any other time, anywhere, but most especially in a protest type situation!  They were ordered to stand down, it’s obvious.

For anyone who would like to voice their concerns regarding this incident:

Oakland Mayor Jean Quan: 510-238-3141

The Oakland Police Dept: 510-777-3333

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By heterochromatic, October 25, 2011 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment

By Blueokie,
Where were all these brave “protect and servers” when the Koch Brother minions of
the tea baggers show up armed to the teeth at their rallies or a Presidential
speech..
———


I hadn’t noticed that the president isn’t accompanied by a large retinue of superbly
trained and armed “protect and servers” every time he gives a public speech.

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By heterochromatic, October 25, 2011 at 5:57 pm Link to this comment

Rob——-“yes, to respond to the brutal police state actions of the puppet local
government. Yes, the people should demand the right to sleep wherever they
damn well choose for however long they want”—-


yeah, right arm….the people demand the right to sit in front of and block the
doorways of every clinic that performs abortions and scream ” babykiller” at
the young women ....and the people aren’t going to accept any brutal police
state action to stop them…..

when you don’t think things through, Robespierre, you end up being just
another jerk left wondering where the reign of terror came from…

lick them boots awhile, sitzpinkler

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By Morpheus, October 25, 2011 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

This is what happens when your government owns you. sooner or later we have to get smarter. When you’re sick off it, this is where you go when you’re serious about real change.

Don’t be Afraid!

The Revolution has started -
Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org )

FIGHT THE CAUSE - NOT THE SYMPTOM

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By heterochromatic, October 25, 2011 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment

gerard—- not matter how much we might admire the protest, the public is
everyone and no small group gets to take over and occupy any part of it without
submitting to the regulations that serve a legitimate interest of the public.

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By gerard, October 25, 2011 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic:  But, but, but ... this is not a protest “just like every other” protest—nor is it a picnic on your day off.  Acknowledging the difference is important; overlooking it is unfair.

It also pays to notice the language unconsciously ueed in so many reports such as this one from the CSM:  ex: “... how far local authorities are willing to go to let THEIR parks and squares remain occupied”
(Note:  The parks and squares don’t belong to the authorities.They belong to the public, a vast majority of thom are more or less supportive of the Occupations.)
ex: ... “a mish-mash of complaints” .. belittling the real pain and suffereng caused by gross inequities in the present system.
  ex…. “at 5 a.m. hundreds of officers in riot gear…”  why riot gear?  Presumably to cause fear. In some places it has been with dogs and horses. Sounds like a bit of overkill, no?
  In fact, the “authorities” admit the purpose of such behavior is to “force portesters to go home while avoiding outright violence.” OUTRIGHT violence?  What’s that? Oh, it’s just a subtle form of coercion using fear and intimidation.
  Surely such masking of the obvious truth being accepted as “reporting” goes a long way to show just how used to overlooking the plain truth we average Joes have gone. We read right over it and don’t see anything special in how language is used to hide the truth, not bring it forward.

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By Robespierre115, October 25, 2011 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment

@gerard, damn you’re full of shit. Take that postmodern b.s. somewhere else, these are crucial times and the workers must unite and act to smash the old system and establish something new, spontaneous and creative. Typing on your keyboard is not going to save you, wearing a V mask and shouting vague slogans is not going to save you. If it makes you feel better then good for you, but history has also shown that when the people form a mass tidal wave and overthrow their kings and despots real change can come. You claim to be inspired by the Arab Spring? Did typing away on laptops overthrow Mubarak? The people used technology to spread the word, but radical, militant action on the streets and yes, having to face violence and practice self defense, changed their world.

@heterochromatic, yes, to respond to the brutal police state actions of the puppet local government. Yes, the people should demand the right to sleep wherever they damn well choose for however long they want, they were not hurting anyone or threatening the local population. If you want to lick the boots of power then be my guest.

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By heterochromatic, October 25, 2011 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

Robespierre115,
The movement, working class and unions (if they have the cojones) must respond
to this with mass general strikes
———-

for what? to defend some imaginary right to sleep in front of city hall in Oakland?

the mayor says that they’re welcome to demonstrate from 6am-10pm….just like
everyone else.

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By gerard, October 25, 2011 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

Robespierre:  Consider the fact that the relevant 99% for whom the Occupiers stand have already been “steam rolled by the capitalist state” which
is all too ready to “take militant action” in the form of clubs, tear gas, horses, dogs, militant machinery like deafening noise makers, motor cycles, rubber bullets, jails etc. That’s all they’ve got to offer as a “solution”—all of which are signs of the decadence, poverty of alternatives,and impotence of the present “system” to sustain itself in the face of inevitable reform.
  Sounds like you want more violence? You think an increase in violence would usher in a better world, rectify wrongs, save democracy, bring peace and cooperation, reform or change the “system”? Historical evidence is pretty much against that.
  Young people know and believe that a second something fundamentally new (in addition to the Internet) is trying to get born now. We are in the presence of new perspectives, new possibilities, a better social guidance system than the ravages of war and capitalism can offer. 
  It will take time and patience—and the renunciation of murder, abuse and denial.

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By Blueokie, October 25, 2011 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

Where were all these brave “protect and servers” when the Koch Brother minions of
the tea baggers show up armed to the teeth at their rallies or a Presidential
speech..

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By Robespierre115, October 25, 2011 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

The movement, working class and unions (if they have the cojones) must respond to this with mass general strikes, either take militant action in the form of strikes and organized workers’ committees or be steam rolled by the capitalist state.

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