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NYPD Takes Its Spying Act on the Road

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Posted on Mar 24, 2012
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Reports that the NYPD recorded inaccurate information on an activist and observed a left-wing protest and a human rights film festival all the way down in Louisiana in 2008 confirms that the department is willing to investigate groups that have nothing to do with criminal activity. —ARK

Ryan Devereaux at The Guardian:

A police report composed by an undercover officer at the time described [Jordan] Flaherty as “a main organizer” of the People’s Summit, a gathering of liberal groups opposed to US economic policies. The summit was held in New Orleans over the course of two days in April, 2008. According to the NYPD, Flaherty “held a discussion calling for the increase of the divestment campaign of Israel and mentioned two events related to Palestine.”

… “I knew I wasn’t one of the main organizers,” Flaherty told the Guardian. “I had to go back and look at the record – then I find out there was a film festival at the same time as the conference.”

Flaherty says he introduced a film at the festival. He noted that protests related to the Louisiana gathering did not involve arrests, indicating they were little threat to national or New York security.

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By heterochromatic, March 27, 2012 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment

who would accept that definition?

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By Chris Herz, March 26, 2012 at 11:58 pm Link to this comment
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A police state may be defined as that in which the police work for the crooks.

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By heterochromatic, March 26, 2012 at 6:34 am Link to this comment

sorry maani…. I was truthful…

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By Maani, March 25, 2012 at 11:27 pm Link to this comment

Hetero:

Now you’ve gone and done it.  Proven just what a BS artist you are.  You see, sometimes in life, you are going to come up against the one person you cannot BS.  You have found him.

Let’s set aside for a moment that claiming a “high-level anonymous” source is BS in itself.  Even if you have such a source (which I doubt), it is entirely possible that that person has an axe to grind vis-a-vis Dinkins, and is lying to you.  Ever think of that?

But that’s beside the point.

First, the underreporting of crime did not happen under Dinkins - it is happening under Kelly.  And one doesn’t need a “high-level” source to know this: one simply needs to read good investigative reporting:

http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.com/Legal/News/2012/03_-_March/NYPD_report_confirms_manipulation_of_crime_stats/

Second, I have worked closely with the NYPD for over 12 years, and I have personally known every commissioner since 1996.  I knew Howard Safir, had breakfast with Bernie Kerik two or three times a month, and have known Kelly since he came back on in 2002.  Kelly’s “right-hand man” has been a close friend of mine for almost a decade.  So I can assure you that my “sources” are so much “higher-placed” than yours that it is ridiculous even to discuss it.

You are full of BS, or else you are believing someone who is talking out of his butt.  There was no under-reporting of crime under Dinkins: no such allegation has ever been made by ANY source, or some sort of investigation would have been done, just as it has been (and is being) done right now under Kelly.

You blew it, my friend, by accidentally coming across the one person who you can’t BS on this particular issue.  I know crime stats - and the underpinnings of them - better than almost anyone, because I work with them regularly, and interact with top-level NYPD personnel - including commissioners - regularly.

Nice try.

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By heterochromatic, March 25, 2012 at 10:17 pm Link to this comment

and BTW, it was Lee Brown, noted failure, who was Dinkins choice for Police
Commisioner…..and Kelly took over after Brown was pushed out of town.

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By heterochromatic, March 25, 2012 at 10:15 pm Link to this comment

Maani—- can’t offer my source, but he was VERY top-level NYPD….still is.

I’m about to call it a night around now.

have a good one.

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By Maani, March 25, 2012 at 10:11 pm Link to this comment

hetero:

You say, “crime was VASTLY under-reported…deliberately. And arrests were ordered NOT to be made for a range of stuff.”  However, as usual, you offer ZERO support for your statement.

BTW, do you sleep?  Do you have a life outside TD?  I’m beginning to think you are a (badly programmed) computer that TD uses to keep discussion going…LOL.

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By heterochromatic, March 25, 2012 at 10:08 pm Link to this comment

manni——crime was VASTLY under-reported…deliberately.
and arrests were ordered NOT to be made for a range of stuff.

———


if you want to know why other crime decreased, it wasn’t for anything that Dinkins
did…....it was because of the ebbing of the crack epidemic in NYC.

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By Maani, March 25, 2012 at 9:56 pm Link to this comment

hetero:

Do you actually do any research, or do you just spout B.S.?

“A 2009 report looking back at the Dinkins administration suggested that its legacy was not as negative as Giuliani stated, noting: “Significant accomplishments in lowering the crime rate and increasing the size of the New York Police Department later in the administration, and the hiring of Raymond W. Kelly as police commissioner.  Although rates of most crimes, including all categories of violent crime, made consecutive declines during the last 36 months of his four-year term, ending a 30-year upward spiral and initiating a trend of falling rates that continued beyond his term, Dinkins was hurt by the perception that crime was out of control during his administration. Dinkins also initiated a hiring program that expanded the police department nearly 25%.”

Those are what are usually referred to as “facts.”  Have you ever heard that word before?  LOL.

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By heterochromatic, March 25, 2012 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment

I would be willing to believe that if I didn’t know that crime didn’t go done at all
under Dinkins for anything that Dinkins did….except for directives to NYPD that
they were not to make arrests for many things.


Dinkins was a nice guy and the worst mayor of the city during my lifetime. I have a
great deal of loathing for the guy who succeeded Dinkins, but have to tell the truth
about ol Dave….he REALLY sucked as mayor…..

When Dinkins supported the protests for a drug dealer who was killed in a
struggle with a cop and Dinkins had the city pay for the funeral and the cost of
flying the dead guy back to the Dominican Republic he showed just how unfit he
was.

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By Ironic Moniker, March 25, 2012 at 7:08 pm Link to this comment
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Um…

Crime actually went down under Dinkins. It was Guiliani’s campaign that convinced the public otherwise. The stats are there, look ‘em up.

Just saying.

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By heterochromatic, March 24, 2012 at 8:09 pm Link to this comment

Just in case anybody wants to read some one who KNOWS how to really dig out the
truth about this

http://tinyurl.com/Marcy-Wheeler

the best blogger ever on firedoglake now on her own.

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By heterochromatic, March 24, 2012 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment

after the insanity and incompetence of the Dinkins administration and the near-
anarchy of it’s refusal to enforce the law during the crack epidemic years….and
the riot In Williamsburg…and after the first attack on the WTC…. yeah, I guess you
could say that the NYPD was allowed to actually get aggressive.

that piece of shit Guiiani was elected mayor precisely because he promised the
citizens of NY that he would let the cops take the streets back.


and THAT’S the troof.

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By Maani, March 24, 2012 at 6:10 pm Link to this comment

Even prior to 9/11, NYC was becoming the U.S. “poster child” for aggressive policing and surveillance.  After 9/11, it was pretty much “open season,” “no holds barred,” and “full speed ahead” in those regards.  Nothing has changed - indeed, it continues to get worse, with experimental “sound cannons” being used against OWS protesters, and the use of surveillance tactics which this article touches on - far beyond the borders of NYC.

For those of us in the 9/11 Truth movement, this rankles even more.  If the “official story” of 9/11 is true, all of this is merely a cynical “use” of and overreaction to the attacks.  However, if 9/11 was “something else” - in which individuals and agencies of the U.S. government were complicit in the planning and/or execution - then all of this is based ENTIRELY on a lie.

Peace.

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By heterochromatic, March 24, 2012 at 11:33 am Link to this comment

——I will not be surprised if this guy will end up joining Al-Qa’ida, the Taliban or
any other liberation movement to get even!———

what kind of an asshole calls Al Qaeda a liberation movement”  ?


there’a religious group of fundaments and more aptly described as a bowel
movement.

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By heterochromatic, March 24, 2012 at 11:29 am Link to this comment

Ray Kelly ain’t much of a Zionist Avenger.

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By Arabian Sinbad, March 24, 2012 at 11:11 am Link to this comment

As a follow-up to my previous post below, the name of the veteran journalist who was fired from NPR is Sunni Khalid. Obviously, one can’t find more obvious name to profile and target than this one!

I will not be surprised if this guy will end up joining Al-Qa’ida, the Taliban or any other liberation movement to get even!

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By Arabian Sinbad, March 24, 2012 at 10:54 am Link to this comment

Let me put it this way at the risk of being labeled “anti-Semitic, though I consider myself more pure Semite than all the Jews in the world today!

The New York political-police establishment is a micro-system of the larger macro-system of the political-military-industrial complex of the U.S.A.

So what’s new about New York overbearing activity to suppress or terrorize any one who criticizes fascist, Zionist Israel.

As a footnote, I don’t know how many of you here have heard about the fate of an excellent journalist, with an Arab-Muslim name that I can’t remember, who was fired from the relatively objective Public Radio because he tweeted to a friend what was perceived as critical of Israel.

For the sake of criminal fascist Israel, the new political correctness culture in these sad dis-United States of America has already trampled on the sacred human rights of freedom of speech! We already live in a biggest police-spying state not known before in human history!

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