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The Egyptian high court has upheld a ruling that allows the state to strip citizenship status from Egyptian men who wed Israeli women if the government believes the marriage poses a threat to the country’s national security.

Al Jazeera’s correspondent in Cairo said the case highlights the divide between the official Egyptian stance on peace with Israel and the real sentiment among Arabs on the street. —JCL

Al Jazeera English:

Egypt’s supreme court has upheld a decision to strip citizenship from Egyptian men who wed Israeli women if the marriage poses a threat to national security.

With ties between the two countries strained, particularly over the situation in the Gaza Strip, Saturday’s verdict is being seen as a reflection of Egyptian sentiment towards Israel.

Mohammed al-Husseini, a judge with the supreme administrative court, said Egypt’s interior ministry must ask the country’s cabinet to take the necessary steps to strip Egyptian men married to Israeli women, and their children, of citizenship.

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By nemesis2010, June 10, 2010 at 12:05 pm Link to this comment

I.

By rico, suave, June 9 at 7:14 pm

”You see! That’s why I was warning Spooky about you! A post like that requires no seriousness, no thought. It has absolutely nothing to do with the post that caused the sentiment.”

Once again you twist everything. My post is in reply to your previous post where you… well… let’s allow a third party to describe your post, okay?

By samosamo, June 8 at 7:21 pm

”I did no such thing, you even replied to the person, nemesis,
who wrote, egyptians are not arabs and in your exuberance to
make you appear an authority you trash him by saying:…“

Do you really believe that I failed to see that slam? I simply responded to the main topic before coming back to give you a well deserved shot. You’re getting what you ask for.

By rico, suave, June 9 at 7:14 pm

”I’m sure you’ve noticed that the majority of my posts are direct responses to other posts.“ … I continue in one of two ways: With sarcasm if the quote is outrageously fringy, or seriously, if I think there might be an open mind on the other end who can bear a challenge to the quote.”

As usual rico baby you’re not letting anything like truth get in the way of your self-appraisal. I imagine you see yourself as an angel of light too!

Actually what you usually do is come here and present GOP spin, revisionist history, and conservative bullshit then when others point out the errors of your ways you usually tuck tail and run off to another topic to start the process all over again.

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By nemesis2010, June 10, 2010 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

II.

By rico, suave, June 9 at 7:14 pm

”When I respond directly to you, I am challenging an assumption you make, or a premise you think is true, or asking you to explain why you take what you do for granted. That’s all. If you find my challenges personally insulting, then you have insecurity issues.“

I make very few assumptions rico. I had all the info packaged and ready to go before making the statement because I knew that some Zionist lunkhead would jump on it!

I’m not the one crying in his beer about ad hominem or who runs off to other topics when it gets hot in the kitchen rico baby… that’s YOU!

By rico, suave, June 9 at 7:14 pm

” If your belief system is so fragile or poorly thought out that you can’t muster a defense of it, please don’t think that calling me stupid wins the day for you. And I don’t need links to websites. I need links to your thoughts. YOURS. “

Judging from the comments of others I would say that I made an excellent defense of my position. You’re upset because rather than check to see if there was validity to my statement you made the erroneous assumption that I was wrong then ended up with egg on your face.

I presented my thoughts… I clearly and plainly made the statement that Egyptians aren’t Arabs. When you wrote your sarcastic reply—an ad hominem because sarcasm is intended to make the victim the butt of contempt and ridicule—I simply proved that my statement was valid by linking to the data.

By rico, suave, June 9 at 7:14 pm

” I’m proud of my conservatism and feel confident enough to present and defend it on truthdig.“

We can see that you are very proud of being a conservative rico. We simply wonder how one associated with the very ideology that drove this nation over a cliff and whose administrations will go down in history as some of the most criminal, corrupt, and anti-liberty, anti-freedom, anti-democratic and classed with the likes of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot, can be proud of that. Most of us believe that those are reasons to hang one’s head in shame and perhaps seriously consider seppuku.

By rico, suave, June 9 at 7:14 pm

”Which is why you can imagine my disappointment when most of the responses are ad hominem attacks.What am I to think of the “progressive” mindset after such attacks?“

That’s rich! Bwaaaaa! That’s really rich! Didn’t you state that you respond with sarcasm? It’s about 3 quotes up. Sarcasm as I’ve pointed out to you is a form of ad hominem. You’re disappointment—IMO—is probably due more to the way most commenters blow your conservative positions and ill-thought out statements to kingdom come.

You’re disappointed because others use the same tactic that you have just admitted is one of your two ways to respond! Bwaaaaaaaaa! smile

First it is questionable that conservatives think. What opinion might you have about progressives’ mindset? Probably not a very good one but that has more to do with you and conservative thought(?) than it does with progressives.

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By rico, suave, June 9, 2010 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

nemesis:

“Perhaps you can answer a question that I’m sure most of us are wondering, rico baby… What came first; the conservative or the stupid?”

You see! That’s why I was warning Spooky about you! A post like that requires no seriousness, no thought. It has absolutely nothing to do with the post that caused the sentiment.

I’m sure you’ve noticed that the majority of my posts are direct responses to other posts. They start off with a quote from the post I am challenging. I continue in one of two ways: With sarcasm if the quote is outrageously fringy, or seriously, if I think there might be an open mind on the other end who can bear a challenge to the quote.

When I respond directly to you, I am challenging an assumption you make, or a premise you think is true, or asking you to explain why you take what you do for granted. That’s all. If you find my challenges personally insulting, then you have insecurity issues.

If your belief system is so fragile or poorly thought out that you can’t muster a defense of it, please don’t think that calling me stupid wins the day for you. And I don’t need links to websites. I need links to your thoughts. YOURS.

I’m proud of my conservatism and feel confident enough to present and defend it on truthdig. Which is why you can imagine my disappointment when most of the responses are ad hominem attacks.

What am I to think of the “progressive” mindset after such attacks?

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By nemesis2010, June 9, 2010 at 12:02 pm Link to this comment

By rico, suave, June 8 at 7:42 pm

”You’re right. Sorry for the confusion. You and nemesis are so much alike I get you mixed up some times.”

Perhaps you can answer a question that I’m sure most of us are wondering, rico baby… What came first; the conservative or the stupid?

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By PatrickHenry, June 8, 2010 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

Things are the same on both sides of the fence.

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/09/25/israeli-drive-to-prevent-jewish-girls-dating-arabs/

The caveat “threat to national security” goes along way there as it does here.  In Israel it is more a threat to national character.

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By rico, suave, June 8, 2010 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment

samo:

You’re right. Sorry for the confusion. You and nemesis are so much alike I get you mixed up some times.

Divine teacher indeed! Listen well, grasshopper!

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By samosamo, June 8, 2010 at 3:21 pm Link to this comment

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Forever the facade of authority and here you are claiming that I
said:
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“What matters is that when you make statements like “Egyptians
are not Arabs” it makes readers of your posts wonder what other
lunatic delusions you might also be entertaining.”“
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I did no such thing, you even replied to the person, nemesis,
who wrote, egyptians are not arabs and in your exuberance to
make you appear an authority you trash him by saying:
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““Egyptians are not Arabs.”

Oh—-My—-Allah!

You really need to step away from the keyboard.

Help me TDers- Is there anybody else out there who thinks
Egyptians are not Arabs?”“
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Glad to see the cracks in your reincarnation of someother troll
that are beginning to show. You sort of ask other TDs what they
think on this yet you couch it in such a demeaning way that it
would possibly make that commenter appear ridiculous. Well
there Is validity to nemesis’ statement you just won’t believe it.

So you serve me up as having lunatic delusions which is ok, just
more proof of your hostility and arrogance. Speaking of which,
are you really icechar back from the dead or waco billie? Who
knows, it is just all too odd that your popping up when those
same people or person just got booted, you really are more
intent on disruption of this site than adding meaningful insight,
geez, can’t bear the gaff of:
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“Egyptians are not Arabs. Oh My Allah!
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Well, I see nemesis is having to help you with your homework, I
hope you have some human decency to thank him/her. As for
my last comment, I stated:
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“The are people, why does it matter what the people in egypt
are? Or is it just to stratify more people who can be
considered beneath some people’s dignity, that is sub human?
So to have a classification one can hate?”
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Only I left the ‘y’ out of the first word.

Cute little bar code on the shoulder of your avatar, the divine
teacher, huh.

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By rico, suave, June 8, 2010 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment

PatHenry:

“Don’t know much about biology…”

Do “1000 year heritage European Jews” claim to be Semitic? I did not know that! I’m pretty sure they just claim to be Jews. And I’m pretty sure they’d classify you as “anti-Semitic”, only because it’s a convenient catch-all for “Jew-hater” in general, despite the inconvenient fact that 95% of the population of the Maghreb, the Saudi penninsula and the Levant are Semites, Jews and Arabs alike.

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By PatrickHenry, June 8, 2010 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

Sctually nemesis2010 comments regarding Egyptians are quite sound.

If 1000 year heritage European Jews can claim semitic status with Israel as a birthright, then I believe the Egyptians have the right to declare themselves non-semitic.

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By nemesis2010, June 8, 2010 at 11:34 am Link to this comment

Egyptians are not Arabs, they are Egyptians
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/egyptians-are-not-arabs-they-are-egyptians/

” Southern Egyptians Y Chromomses are mainly native to Africa, both sub and supra Saharan. This makes a grand total of 80.3% definitively African non-Arab ancestry in the upper Egypt region.”

”Northern Egyptians are a bit more cosmopolitan in their ancestry 64.8% indigenous African. About 20% of the Y chrom0somes are near Eastern in origin, and 10.5 % are R Y chromosomes.”

Egyptians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptians

The daily language of the Egyptians is the local variety of Arabic, known as Egyptian Arabic or Masri.”

”Many Egyptians today feel that Egyptian and Arab identities are inextricably linked, and emphasize the central role that Egypt plays in the Arab world. Others continue to believe that Egypt and Egyptians are simply not Arab, emphasizing indigenous Egyptian heritage, culture and independent polity; pointing to the failures of Arab and pan-Arab nationalist policies; and publicly voicing objection to the present official name of the country.”

” Historically, Egyptians have considered themselves as distinct from ‘Arabs’ and even at present rarely do they make that identification in casual contexts; il-‘arab [the Arabs] as used by Egyptians refers mainly to the inhabitants of the Gulf states… Egypt has been both a leader of pan-Arabism and a site of intense resentment towards that ideology. Egyptians had to be made, often forcefully, into “Arabs” [during the Nasser era] because they did not historically identify themselves as such. Egypt was self-consciously a nation not only before pan-Arabism but also before becoming a colony of the British Empire. Its territorial continuity since ancient times, its unique history as exemplified in its pharaonic past and later on its Coptic language and culture, had already made Egypt into a nation for centuries. Egyptians saw themselves, their history, culture and language as specifically Egyptian and not “Arab.”

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By rico, suave, June 8, 2010 at 4:32 am Link to this comment

samo:

“why does it matter what the people in egypt
are?”

You brought it up! Why indeed?

What matters is that when you make statements like “Egyptians are not Arabs” it makes readers of your posts wonder what other lunatic delusions you might also be entertaining.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 7, 2010 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment

Egyptians are not Arabs?  That will be a surprise to them as the BIGGEST Arab nation in the world!  How can you tell they are Arabs?

(maybe ‘cuz they speak….ARABIC?????) Lamuachze!

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By samosamo, June 7, 2010 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

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The are people, why does it matter what the people in egypt
are? Or is it just to stratify more people who can be
considered beneath some people’s dignity, that is sub human?
So to have a classification one can hate?

Don’t tell me, there are 4 known types who live there,

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By rico, suave, June 7, 2010 at 5:08 pm Link to this comment

nemesis:
“Egyptians are not Arabs.”

Oh—-My—-Allah!

You really need to step away from the keyboard.

Help me TDers- Is there anybody else out there who thinks Egyptians are not Arabs?

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By nemesis2010, June 7, 2010 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment

”The case has highlighted the divide between the official Egyptian stance on peace with Israel versus the real sentiment on the street of the Arab world’s most populous nation.”

Egyptians are not Arabs. Egypt is not part of the Arab world; it is part of the Islamic world. Goodness people this isn’t hard to research.

The adherents of the so-called 3 monotheistic religions (4 if you count Mormonism separately from the others) are not going to be happy until they make everyone else as miserable as they are and destroy humanity in the name of their respective imaginary friends.

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By rico, suave, June 7, 2010 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment

P.T.:

Spin me up- what is “The Contingent”?

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By rico, suave, June 7, 2010 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

samo:

“Seriously, who crowned you god and big dog on the block.”

The last time I heard something like that was on the playground in third grade.

“People like you defeat the purpose of people being able to present their views” Yet YOU threaten to report me to the TD police for disagreeing with you.

Please, “report this.” Grow up you big baby.

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By fwdpost, June 7, 2010 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

Hitler had a law passed in the 30s that forbade German men or women from marrying Jews or half Jews.

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By P. T., June 6, 2010 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment

“This is the other side of the coin that ‘The Contingent’ refuses to see and pretends doesn’t exist.”


It is the SAME side of the coin.  Israel and Egypt are allied in Palestinian repression and the Gaza blockade.

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By samosamo, June 6, 2010 at 8:08 pm Link to this comment

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By PatrickHenry, June 6 at 9:42 pm #

“Another assbackward middleastern country.”
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Yeah, I agree on that cause you hang out with deviant backward
countries, well, may as well join the crowd and that seems to be
just what america has done or is it the other way around.

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By samosamo, June 6, 2010 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

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By rico, suave, June 6 at 11:04 pm

“You sound EXACTLY like Glenn Beck! Seriously.”
*****************
Seriously, who crowned you god and big dog on the block.
Who are you to, god forbid, call me glen beck (that will earn
you a ‘report this’ from here on to any response as such from
YOU).

Seems anything contrary to your ‘ideals’ don’t belong here and
I WON’T go into an explanation of my comment for you to
‘mull over and pronounce judgement’, other than why do you
think governments should give final agreement on who
anybody should marry anybody? No that really makes you
sound like your pal ben neytanyahu.

People like you defeat the purpose of people being able to
present their views or are you of the mind set we all need to
be thinking the same thing, eating the same thing, doing the
same thing like a well choreographed line of autotron units
moving to the beat of one drum.

Why don’t you go ahead and move to egypt if you haven’t
already or izrael for that matter?

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By rico, suave, June 6, 2010 at 7:04 pm Link to this comment

samo:
“Plan and simple, the ability of governments to tell
their people who to marry shows how awful governments are, as people on their own do quite well for a good part. So to create a great nation, the people of any nation have to put up with government and religion directing their lives and
thinking.”

You sound EXACTLY like Glenn Beck! Seriously.

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By PatrickHenry, June 6, 2010 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment

Another assbackward middleastern country.

Isn’t this the same thing in Israel with the intermarraiges with the Palestinians?  I understand there are sanctioned organizations to prevent it.

In the U.S. some time ago when the Soviet Union was around, marriage to a Soviet citizen was next to impossible unless you were Lee Harvey Oswald.

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By samosamo, June 6, 2010 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment

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Two countries trying to rip the other apart and now decisions
being handed down to punish PEOPLE from different countries
for marrying. Plan and simple, the ability of governments to tell
their people who to marry shows how awful governments are, as
people on their own do quite well for a good part.

So to create a great nation, the people of any nation have to put
up with government and religion directing their lives and
thinking. It’s a wonder that the human species has made it this
far and it does speak poorly for those hideous institutions of
government and religion who without fear and terror manage
their way out of a wet paper bag

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By rico, suave, June 6, 2010 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

Hey, ITW! Where you been? This thread is right up your alley! I need your help here!

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By Inherit The Wind, June 6, 2010 at 2:10 pm Link to this comment

This is the other side of the coin that “The Contingent” refuses to see and pretends doesn’t exist.

In Egypt a Muslim who converts to another religion, like Christianity is subject to death threats, shunning, and even murder on the grounds that, according to the extremists, a Muslim who LEAVES the religion is SUCH an abomination that he/she must be destroyed.

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By rico, suave, June 6, 2010 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment

felicity:

“Since money-lending was a main source of income for Jews, the edict infuriated them.  The question remains, why did Nappy, a Jewish apologist really, put out the edict.  Was it something the money-lenders had been doing to the poor Polish peasant?”

During the Reformation over 200 years earlier, Calvinists were enjoined from lending money as being a very un-Christian occupation. Jews were prohibited by the racist and bigotted Christians from partaking in any of the normal trades and occupations. It was left to the Jews to be the money lenders. So when Napoleon restricted even that, no wonder they were pissed. If you need to, you can insist that the hateful Jew was ripping off the poor Polish peasant. As to why Napoleon did it, I leave that to others to tell me.

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By rico, suave, June 6, 2010 at 1:17 pm Link to this comment

How could a “marriage” per se be a threat to Egypt’s security? I thought it was just the Israelis who were paranoid about security. And what about Israeli men marrying Egyptian women? And how often does any of this happen anyway?

“the case highlights the divide between the official Egyptian stance on peace with Israel and the real sentiment among Arabs on the street.”

Precisely: Egypt has a peace treaty with Israel, and the average Arab on the street hates it. But hey, Israel has nothing to fear from such people.

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By felicity, June 6, 2010 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

You can tell I’m not a farmer but even I know that you sow before you reap.  Idiot.  Sorry.

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By felicity, June 6, 2010 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

Bad behavior by one party invariably leads to bad behavior by the affected party.  And surely some Jewish scholar must have run across the ‘as-ye-reap-so-you-will-sow’ (close enough) in one of their Testaments?

Napolean (who was very sympathetic to the plight of the European Jews), after conquering Poland put out an edict that no Jew could loan money to a Polish peasant for 10 years from the date of the edict.  Since money-lending was a main source of income for Jews, the edict infuriated them.  The question remains, why did Nappy, a Jewish apologist really, put out the edict.  Was it something the money-lenders had been doing to the poor Polish peasant?

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