“By Marian Griffith, August 6 at 9:44 am Link to this
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@JohnM
You clearly believe that there is no human created
climate change. I do. We can throw statistics,
reports and ‘experts’ at each other for years and not
get anywhere with this debate.”

That’s the problem, everyone wants to rush to blame
never checking the facts that make up the foundation
of their argument. The fact is the data being used to
“prove” “Anthropogenic Global Warming” have no basis
in fact whatsoever. The foundation of the argument is
built on garbage. When the real numbers from the NASA
study are plugged into the alarmist models the end
result changes. Your acceptance of the garbage the
models spew out as enough evidence to “convince” you
of “Anthropogenic Global Warming” is scary.

“By Marian Griffith, August 4 at 12:18 pm Link to
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@John M.
Climate models do not work backwards to predict
weather because weather is not climate.

One of the required tests for any climate model is
being able to accurately ‘forecast’ changes from a
point in the past to the present day. If a model can
not accurately predict the state of the world climate
in say 1950 starting from 1850 it is not going to be
accepted.
The biggest problem is that the further back you go
the more the area shrinks you have accurate
measurements from. If you go back about 3 centuries
you are limited to only small parts of the
Netherlands and what information could be gleaned
from ice cores and tree rings. Only the last few
decades do we have a really accurate picture of
climate worldwide thanks to all those satelites
whizzing above our heads.

There is very little disagreement between scientist
about the fact that humanity is affecting climate.”

No kidding - NONE of the climate models in use - not
one - accurately work backwards or forwards to
predict climate - reason being the data being input
is not complete so assumptions are used instead - one
of the assumptions used was the amount of heat
reflected back into space was too low by an order of magnitude - it made the climate model predictions
show warming which is what feeds research grants. No
grants no government jobs. The data was garbage and
passed off as science The link I provided below
PROVES one of the main data sets the current climate
models use as a foundation has no basis in reality
whatsoever.

Garbage science like this is what showed up in emails
from the CRU complaining how maddening it is that
they can’t account for the fact that global temperatures haven’t gone up in the last decade.

” The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of
warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we
can’t. “

It was followed by Phil Jones himself testifying
before parliament that there has been no global
warming in the last 10 years all the while the news
papers are proclaiming that we have been getting
hotter and hotter setting records world wide over the
same 10 years - which is it?

The bottom line is the climate models predicting the
calamity we call “Anthropogenic Global Warming” have
at their foundation a garbage pile of supposition and
guesswork that have no basis in fact. The guesswork
used as a foundation for the programming are rapidly
being proved wrong by orders of magnitude and not by
small errors.

New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming
Alarmism

http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-
global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html

NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011
show the Earth’s atmosphere is allowing FAR more heat
to be released into space than alarmist computer
models have predicted, reports a new study in the
peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The
study indicates far less future global warming will
occur than United Nations computer models have
predicted, and supports prior studies indicating
increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less
heat than alarmists have claimed.

“The satellite observations suggest there is much
more energy lost to space during and after warming
than the climate models show,” Spencer said in a July
26 University of Alabama press release. “There is a
huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts
that is especially big over the oceans.”
In addition to finding that far less heat is being
trapped than alarmist computer models have predicted,
the NASA satellite data show the atmosphere begins
shedding heat into space long before United Nations
computer models predicted.
The new findings are extremely important and should
dramatically alter the global warming debate.

Sorry I’m a middle aged white guy that can reason and
read.

It’s all the “commie fag tree-huggie vegan lib’rals who wanna take our shootin’ arns!”

The GOP and the NRA have successfully sold the weaker-willed middle-aged White guys on the idea that “Real men vote Republican, not for pansy, pussy-whipped Democrats”.

In other words, their entire sexual self-image is tied up in their politics.  And a man will do almost anything, say almost anything, commit almost any atrocity to protect his sexual self-image….especially if he’s fakin’ it. (I give you Rushbo as the ideal example).

Well, you know, your demographic selection contains a qualifier that slants your data. You do know that, right?
That conservative white guys espouse beliefs usually espoused by conservatives of any stripe should not be a surprise, or a topic for a lame article.

Hi Gmonst,

I appreciate the tone and honesty of your comment.  Quite refreshing. 

I’d like to delve a bit into the slip you made when writing it’s “frightening to think we are killing our planet.” I realize you’ll understand and already know a lot of what I say below.  Please bear with me. Perhaps we can reach new ground.

As you know, we’re not killing the planet. Far from it.  We are killing the ecosystem that currently supports six billion human beings.  I realize that’s a verbose way to say it, but it’s accurate and a method for wriggling out of the superstition, disinformation and myopia that got us in this rat hole. 

People have been predicting the “end of world” for thousands of years. Superstition.  For the last 30 years or so, people have spoke a lot about the greenhouse effect, global warming, and climate change—all rat holes of disinformation and myopia, not necessarily all a pack of lies, but certainly a myopic view that prevents us from seeing the big picture. 

The true dilemma we face is the destruction of the ecosystem that supports our current population.

I’m no scientist but I’ve listened to what scientists have to say and the most disturbing things I’ve heard are: 

* Ocean life is dying sooner and faster than we ever expected—and over two hundred million human beings depend on fish as their primary sustenance. 

* The Antarctica is melting sooner and faster than we ever expected.

* All human beings are not likely to starve to death over the next century or so, but it’s quite possible the most abundant food supply will be cockroaches and their ilk, which is not all bad when you consider cockroaches are the genetic equivalent of shrimp.  Still. It’s not good. Cocktail sauce or no. 

Now let’s think through some of that. 

If two hundred million people lose their food source, do they all roll over and die? No. They seek food elsewhere, meaning there will be global food shortages. 

If the Antarctica melts or its slides off its continent like an ice cube sliding off a table, the oceans will rise approximately two hundred meters. That puts Houston, New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco and many other major cities around the world under water. Do all those people simply give up and drown?  No. They seek higher ground.

Now couple that with our current brand of free market capitalism that I’ll call Friedman economics, founded by Milton Friedman, that at its core believes this:  Governments are only good for making war, imprisoning people, and terrorizing the populace when they disagree or revolt against economic policies. Corporations are all we need to guide the invisible hand of a good world for all good capitalists.

The gaping hole in this whoring economic theory is it does not account for natural disasters. 

So right now we are seeing a global economic policy—in developing nations, in Europe, in the United States—everywhere except China—that forces governments to sell their assets and reduce taxes to form pathetically weak central governments that can do very little when the earth cracks open, when it spews fire, or when its oceans die. 

All of this bodes quite well for the planet.  It may drastically reduce the population of a species that is mucking up its surface, its atmosphere, and its oceans. The planet can cut our population by four billion or so and still have hundreds of millions if not billions of years to repair the damage we’ve done. 

It does not bode well for us.

In sum, don’t fret about your skin color, your balls, or the future of the planet.  Do take serious stock of your species and decide whether you want your great grandchildren—possibly your grandchildren and children—to be dining on cockroaches. Save our ecosystem. The planet will take care of us if we don’t. 

All the best.

Zing.

This article helpfully takes aim at “Fox News, Glenn Beck, or Rush Limbaugh”—and well it should.

What it does not do is aim a swift kick in the nuts at ABC, NBC, MSNBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time Magazine, the PBS News Hour, and other major news outlets, as it should have.

Why?  Because throughout the 1990s, when we may have had time to avert the ecological catastrophe now unfolding, aforementioned monkey-nutted morons all played the same baboon game, holding their red butts up in the air, laying their brown noses to the ground, and inviting corporate oil scientists to have their way with them. 

“Is this objective?  Chief Big Balls over here at the oil company says ‘the greenhouse effect’ is a myth.” 

“Well, Mr. One Percent Idiot here at Squeeze Their Balls Hard Oil says ‘global warming’ is a natural occurrence. The goddamn apes got nothing to do with it!” 

“Yes, to be objective we need to give equal credence to the five percent of mumps-nutted scientists who work for or are sponsored by oil companies.  Isn’t that right Mr. Publisher, Mr. Ombudsman, Mr. Editor, Mr. Media Mogul?” 

“Absolutely. They give Newsmaker Interviews.” 

Thank God, thank God! Al Gore put together a PowerPoint presentation even idiots can comprehend.  Did any one else notice that’s when the media midiots finally changed their tune, when they finally quit giving credence to paid pathological dissemblers?

“Look, boys and girls and media moguls, here’s a Playskool presentation made for a semi-literate fourteen-year-old to comprehend. Surprise!  It’s your audience and you all at the same time.” 

Hugs and kisses and big nutted hisses.

Zing.

Lest this slips to far into bashing “white dudes” note that 40% of the conservative white males still believe in a scientific consensus about climate change.  Also not all conservative white guys are rich CEO’s looking to protect their exploitation of natural resources.  A lot of those men are blue-collar working guys.

I think a lot of the problem with believing climate change is a tendency to not want to believe it.  I sure note this tendency in myself.  Not because I want to go on exploiting natural resources to enrich myself but because its frightening to think we are killing our planet and its overwhelming to wrap one’s mind around the absolutely gargantuan task of making the necessary adjustments in lifestyle for us all.  Its just a lot easier to not believe it and go on just like you always have.  Its also hard to admit being a part of slowly killing the planet as we know it.

When it comes to white guys, the global consumer culture is basically a world culture of the white man.  Its difficult to add killing the planet to the list of bad things we white males have done, slavery, racism, sexism, genocide of native peoples, etc. Its getting hard to be a white dude and feel good about yourself.  For some the cognitive dissonance becomes too much, they can no longer balance being a good person with the guilt of all the bad shit white dudes have done.  So its either feel impotent and guilty or block it all out as bullshit and keep living the same and feeling like you are the good boy mommy always told us we were.  So cut a little slack, it isn’t easy so easy to come to terms with a thousand years of being the world’s premier a-holes.

Whenever I see poll results like these I hear banjos and another tooth falls out.

Rushbo probably doesn’t have sweat glands anymore….

Last week I heard Rush Limbaugh talk about the summer heat wave.  He said there is no global warming, that the summer was just hot as usual, and no temperature records were broken.

When I heard that, I thought, “Am I crazy?  I could swear I saw a map on TV or the ‘net covered in little red dots to show all the broken records.”  A few seconds of searching on the computer turned up plenty of articles about the heat wave.  MSNBC Weather reported that 55 temperature records had been broken!

How does el Rushbo get away with completely lying?  Why does no one call him out on this?

Last winter they were at the mall, throwing snow balls at each other and laughing at Al
Gore. Global warming, climate change, ba humbug..

Now their inside sweating, and swilling beer, with their air conditioners cranked to the
max. During the historic heat wave of the summer of 2011, with record consecutive days
of 100 degree heat, cattle starving and dying like some scene from Somalia, why aren’t
the frying eggs on the side walk, or joining the neighborhood kids in a slip and slide
hose party?

For the next ten years, this is the climate we will live in. Until North west Texas, Arizona,
and the Midwest is nothing but a sand blasted desert filled with rattle snakes scorpions
and bones. There will be record crop failures in the Midwest, grain shortages world
wide, and stratospheric prices of food here, when it’s available.

When the hurricanes return they will excoriate this country, along it’s coasts, while
massive wind storms unlike anything ever seen, will destroy what’s left of the farm belt,
and everyone in it.

Don’t worry the wealthy conservatives who denied global warming, to protect their
profits, will be safe under ground in their expensive survival habitats with40 years of
freeze dried food. Which they are now buying in record numbers. Tough luck for the rest
of us and our families on the surface.

Most big white guys don’t worry about their berg melting.

Not to put too fine a point on it, try “financial dominance cognition.”  White conservative dudes control at least 3/5 of the world’s wealth, and they “make” that money out of exploiting the world’s resources—which are very likely to be depleted or become unmarketable within the foreseeable future due to global warming and the mismanagement of wealth so obvious in the world today.
  This means their sources of income will be severely curtailed—a sad thought for white dudes (as well as Chinese and Saudi dudes).
  Mostly white dudes plunder under the rules they are taught in universities that award masters’
degrees in how to plunder. They too will be out of business.
  It all adds up to loss of an entire “way of life”, such as it is. No wonder they want to “think it away.”  Why not?  They seem quite able to “think away” most other problems that plague the lives of everyday people who go quietly down their drain and disappear.

Let’s face it, white guys will deny anything is wrong, even as they are marching off to take a piss for the 10th time tonite.

Its hard as hell to change someones belief, and by god, they believe that they are masters of the universe.