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Posted on Mar 26, 2011
AP / Dario Lopez-Mills

Residents who fled drug violence in the Mexican town of Ciudad Mier crowd a shelter in nearby Miguel Aleman last November.

Mexico’s drug war has been blamed for the deaths of more than 34,000 people, and now comes a report showing that the violence has uprooted nearly a quarter of a million people south of the border, with many of them thought to have fled to the U.S. —JCL

Al-Jazeera English:

About 230,000 people have been displaced in Mexico because of drug violence, and about half of them may have taken refuge in the United States, a new study has revealed.

The Internal Displacement Monitoring Centre [IDMC] based its report, released this week, on studies by local researchers.

The Geneva-based organisation noted that the Mexican government does not compile its own figures on people who have had to leave their homes because of turf battles between drug gangs.

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By Ghettogether, May 16, 2011 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment

Y’know the majority solution will be a bad idea, and
the courts are out to lunch.  Might as well stock up on
all the surgical implements to get a knife out of your
back now.

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By REDHORSE, March 28, 2011 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

Moonraven: Drugs, the forged document trade, gang/cartel violence, human trafficking, money laundering, weapons sales and the dependence of multi-millions of illegals on any National social/financial infra-structure would represent severe damage. Sadly both the American people and Mexican illegals are trapped inside the nightmare reality that springs from corrupt political/financial systems that profit from graft on both sides of the border. Any article that attempts to discuss or report on the issue only serves as RED MEAT for the HATERS on both sides of the issue. The Mexican illegals invasion of the United States is an intentional political/economic weapon that continues to pay corrupt D.C. politicians and the international black market cartels they serve.
We’re all paying and will continue to pay for this destructive lunacy. The HATERS on both sides are going to get exactly what they want—the chaos will continue,the violence will increase and profits for the greedy will stay high. What happens after the collapse is anyones guess.

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By Artful Dodger, March 28, 2011 at 1:12 am Link to this comment
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I suppose drug legalization would be anti-immigrant. Here is the logic. If we legalize drugs then the Mexican cartels couldn’t make a profit, therefore they wouldn’t have the power to bully local citizens, who wouldn’t be as motivated to leave Mexico. Thus drug legalization is anti-Latino.

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By samosamo, March 27, 2011 at 10:25 pm Link to this comment

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One thing, it seems those in charge, if that is correct, of the
ongoing crises everywhere have taken to hiding behind the
ever increasing wars and the disruptions caused by them. And
at the same time distancing themselves from any involvement
except the continual grand larceny and the tax free riches of
collecting from the drug trade. What those ‘in charge’ seem to
have going for them is the american war industry with the
complicity of the law enforcement, judiciary and congress.

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By moonraven, March 27, 2011 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment

I see the bigot are shooting off their keyboards here.

You gringos are really too much:  You create a condition of violence from the offices of the US embassy in Avenida Reforma, foment it, launder the cartels’ money, run drugs to Mexico to arm it, continue to buy its products, cheer him on as Calderon’s death toll of collateral damages approaches 40 thousand, and then say:  Hey, fuck this violence, and invade Mexico (again) to grab the last of its petroleum.

You people have no shame.

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By call me roy, March 27, 2011 at 7:23 pm Link to this comment

The Fourteenth Amendment never was intended to be applied to ‘anchor babies.’ The very idea was never so much as contemplated when it was passed. The US is the only country in the world that allows such nonsense, and it needs to be changed.
Besides, if the Constitution allows for local jurisdictions, like San Francisco, to permit illegal aliens to vote, then surly it allows for states to legislate on immigration issues as well. That nasty Tenth Amendment again.
We are finally presented with illegal immigration’s true colors. Is it La Raza or Mecha you subscribe to? You want back all that was stolen from your people, right? If you can’t get it by threats, do it with your people’s birthrate.
Why should a woman illegally enter my country, have a child and then proceed to reap all the social benefits of my country on the backs of taxpayers? Why in your book is it radical that I choose not to endorse that program? Does Mexico offer the same benefit to illegals entering Mexico?
Illegal Immigrants are attacking the United States Constitution. When they trample the law, as it is set forth in a national constitution (I make specific reference to our 14th Amendment) and substitute their own passions and prejudices, the result is a mess. When you say “we the people have different ideas”, you are saying that mob rule trumps law and order and that the Constitution means nothing. Illegal Immigration’s version is reminiscent of Hitler’s belief that the rights of German citizens did not extend to German citizens who happened to be Jews.
For years the Democrat Party has been being taken over by left wingers, by out & out Socialists, & One Worlders. Unfortunately it had begun infecting the Republican Party (Specter, Rockefeller, Graham & yes, John McCain). The American “little people” have had it & so the Tea Parties started & “right wing extremists” began the house cleaning process in that party. We will no longer sit idly by & watch the complete dominance of the citizens by a powerful government. Do not forget, the Nazi Party was a socialist party akin to the Communist Party.
The 14th Amendment was meant to protect the children of slaves who were brought here involuntarily and who became citizens after the Civil War. It was never meant to apply to children of people who entered this country voluntarily and illegally. Illegal aliens are NOT “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” of the United States. They remain subject to the jurisdiction of their home countries. If a foreign dignitary is working here in an official capacity and his wife has a child, the child remains a citizen of the foreign country the dignitary came from, not a U.S. citizen. The same goes for the a child borne to an illegal alien, who has no right to be here in the first place. It’s time for the Congress to enact legislation, if necessary, to amend the 14th Amendment to end the ambiguity.
Do illegal immigrants ever consider that the same government once told private businesses they could not serve black people? Private property rights are fundamental to liberty. As is freedom of association. What say you people should La Raza or the Hispanic Congressional Caucus be forced to have anglo or African or Asian members or leaders so as not to discriminate or do they have freedom of association?

Also, should the laws apply equally to all ethnicities and races? Because your unwavering support for the special treatment of Mexican and Central American illegal immigrants does not translate to the Chinese or Armenians or Hatians does it? If 20 million Chinese show up here or better yet 10% of China’s population (200 milllion) like 10% of Mexico’s population has would you support amnesty, anchor babies, no deportation—I think not.

I see the push for amnesty and the refusal to enforce the border or immigration laws for Hispanics to be highly racist as we are all too willing to ship the Chinese or any other group back the second they enter the country.

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By call me roy, March 27, 2011 at 7:18 pm Link to this comment

With California facing a $42 billion deficit in the current economic downturn, a glum Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has warned that the Golden State is on the brink of insolvency. So lets take a “statistical” peak?
The land of illegal immigrants, socialism, and the high taxes to pay for it all. The brutal tax increases will cost the average California family an extra $1,000 a year in taxes. Californians will now pay a 8.25% state sales tax, this makes the total sales as high as 10% depending on the county. This is the highest state sales tax in the nation. Californians will have a quarter percent increase in state income tax and the dependent credit will drop 66%. This move would most likely make California second in highest state income taxes. California vehicle tax will double,making it one of the highest in the nation. The staggering 12 cent increase in state gas tax was nixed to get one more Republican vote. However, Californians already have has the third highest state gas tax in the nation. A brutal .353 cents per gallon.
California leaning towards massive tax hike. California already has some of the highest taxes in the nation to pay for it’s massive illegal alien population and socialist policies. Also because of high taxes and easy access to an illegal work force, California leads the nation in off the books cash only businesses who are not paying taxes. With businesses run out of the state, or simply not paying taxes, California now gets over half it’s revenue from state income tax alone.
Did you know that the state of California gave 432 million dollars worth of welfare and food stamps to illegal aliens in LA County with “anchor babies.” This is just the illegal aliens who are legally receiving welfare under California state law. This doesn’t count the illegals who’s children were born overseas and are fraudulently receiving welfare. The state also spends an estimated 400 million a year for health care for illegal aliens in LA County. With the costs of schooling and incarcerating illegals, the combined strain on the state and county for illegal aliens in LA County is easily in excess of 2 Billion dollars per year.
Nationally, Across America, every state, county, and city is going bankrupt. The state in the worst shape is California which is now 58% non-white. Welfare, free health care, and other public services to immigrants is pushing America to the brink. Instead of closing the border, Obama recently issued a back door amnesty for illegal aliens from Haiti. Even releasing Haitian illegal aliens from detention centers who have already been convicted of crimes in the United States! (From NumbersUSA) Approximately 1/2 of immigrant households (both legal and illegal) with kids access welfare services, primarily food and Medicaid. Many argue that immigration is a social issue, but it’s a fiscal issue as well. The immigrant population has grown by an average of 1.3 million per year since 2000, plus an additional 1 million new births in those households. That’s 23 million new people every decade, and HALF of all immigrant families are using welfare, especially food and Medicaid welfare! This includes illegal AND legal immigrants.

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By call me roy, March 27, 2011 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.
IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
IF YOU CROSS THE MEXICAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.
IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET
A LIST OF PENALTIES COMPRISED BY THE DEMOCRATIC AND SOCIALIST PARTIES FOR ILLEGAL INVADERS:

1 - A JOB,
2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE,
3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
4 - WELFARE,
5 - FOOD STAMPS,
6 - CREDIT CARDS,
7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
8 - FREE EDUCATION,
9 - FREE HEALTH CARE,
10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
11 - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY THEIR COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE TAKING THE AMERICAN FLAG DOWN WHILE PROTESTING THAT THEY DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT BECAUSE THEY INVADED AMERICA.

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By frecklefever, March 27, 2011 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

TO PROTECT ITSELF AMERICA WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE TO INVADE
MEXICO… AMERICAS PREOCCUPATION WITH THE MIDDLE EAST IS A
SYMPTOM OF HOW CLUELESS THE FOREIGN POLICY WONKS ARE TO THE
IMMEDIATE DANGERS THAT THREATEN…THE POLITICAL SYSTEM WON’T
PRODUCE THE PERSONAGE THAT IS NEEDED….THE ORGANIC SYSTEM WILL
ELECT THE JUSTIFIED ONE..

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By Timothy Gawne, March 27, 2011 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment
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With respect, there is no “drug war” in Mexico.

What’s happening is that the Mexican people have been so crushed into poverty
that Mexico is becoming a failed state. 

Canada doesn’t have a “drug war”.  So the chaos in Mexico cannot be due to the
demand for illegal drugs in the US.  In fact, if Americans stopped using illegal
drugs altogether, the situation in Mexico would become even worse!  Do you
really think all those unemployed drug dealers would simply go home and
starve to death quietly?  Rubbish!  They would turn to kidnapping and piracy. 

The main event in Mexico was the government’s policy to encourage Mexicans
to have enormous numbers of children in order to keep competition for jobs
high and wages low.  But there are other factors: labor unions were crushed,
and regressive taxes were levied on the working poor to pay for bailouts of the
financial sector, monopolies were allowed to form and jack up prices, industry
was opened up to race-to-the-bottom competition with even poorer third-
world countries, and elections were stolen by pro-business parties.  In other
words, the problem with the Mexicans is that they did exactly what the Wall
Street Journal has been advocating.  And it can happen here.

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By REDHORSE, March 27, 2011 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

An all points bulletin is out for the arrest of two cartel members who kidnapped a man from his home here-shot him 30 odd times-set him on fire and left his dead body in the middle of a desert road. We’re 300 miles North of the Mexican Border and the violence just keeps on coming—North.

  Our new Republican Gov. is trying to stop “illegals” getting Drivers Licenses here but it’s being blocked by our Hispanic Legislature. Strip Malls are being bought outright by “cartel money”. Banks launder cartel cash without fear of prosecution. “Gang” culture dominates our public school system and our high schools are in the midst of a major Heroin epidemic.

    As always poster comments are spot on but none of us expect sane action from our Legislatures. Many States are attempting to take actions like those implemented in Arizona but the invasion continues. Hispanic politicos are gloating over recent census numbers and I fully expect things to continue as they are.

    Anything any of us might say about the collusion of corrupt politicians, American banking, Wall Street grifters and international black market thugs with cartel finance matters not at all. We’re on our own.

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By samosamo, March 26, 2011 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment

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The cartels are vying for u.s. security contracts along with Xe,
KBR, and others. The justice department just can’t run them out
of the country. That would interfere with those elite who make
their fortunes on the drug trade AND they don’t pay taxes on it.

That is a great reason no one has to declare where there money
comes from or how much they get. Just set up a large enough
investment account and VIOLA’ there’s a ‘good citizen’s’ source
of income. The major bulk is in Switzerland, Jamaica, Cayman
Islands or Lichtenstein.

Wonder how many Sheriffs, deputies, policemen, police chiefs,
politicians, military personnel and others in corporate america
made their fortunes in the drug trade. Any DAMN reason to think
of legalizing any of it when it would interfere with those ‘national
treasures’ revenue?

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By rollzone, March 26, 2011 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

hello. over 100000 are here from illegal drug wars.
there are 14 million here. the Mexican President comes
here to talk to his people. the world’s biggest legal
crook is in telecommunications in Mexico, worth more
than Gates, and this is what Mexicans care about
Mexicans. let them go to America to send more money
back here to poor Mexico, so they can pay their cable
and phone bill. we should provide free transportation
to all illegals back to the border, so they can
organize their own revolution.

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By California Ray, March 26, 2011 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment

Check your stash! Cartel inside?

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By prisnersdilema, March 26, 2011 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

let’s put them all out of business… the drug lords, the CIA who finances their clandestine operations with drug money, the wealthy plutocrats who bank roll drug smuggling, the street drug dealers,  the big pharmaceutical companies who fear too much competition with legalized drugs, all of them….

And all we have to due is license use… not legalization, but let users get a license to buy the drugs they use, and require mandatory birth control for all licensed users….

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By TDoff, March 26, 2011 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment

Dopers, pay attention, there IS a downside to our national habit.

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By gerard, March 26, 2011 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment

Yet another kind of war that doesn’t work out right.
All indications point to the fact that if the human race is to continue, it must find other means of solving problems than hatred, fear, and violence.
“When will they ever learn?”

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