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Posted on Oct 17, 2010
AP / Clemens Bilan

German Chancellor Angela Merkel addresses young members of her Christian Democratic Union Party.

Maybe she sipped a bit too much during Oktoberfest, but German Chancellor Angela Merkel has stumbled to the right after she claimed that multiculturalism has “utterly failed,” stirring the proverbial cultural melting pot to suggest that immigrants have not effectively integrated into German society.

Merkel’s rightward lunge may have something to do with growing anti-immigrant sentiment within Germany. —JCL

The Guardian:

Speaking to a meeting of young members of her Christian Democratic Union party, Merkel said the idea of people from different cultural backgrounds living happily “side by side” did not work.

She said the onus was on immigrants to do more to integrate into German society.

“This [multicultural] approach has failed, utterly failed,” Merkel told the meeting in Potsdam, south of Berlin, yesterday.

Her remarks will stir a debate about immigration in a country which is home to around 4 million Muslims.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 18, 2010 at 5:17 pm Link to this comment

If I remember correctly, a true sociopath, sees herself as the only real person and everyone else as, something akin to cardboard cutouts, not real people, not deserving of everything, she, the sociopath thinks she deserves.  Therefore there’s nothing the sociopath can do or say to hurt those cardboard cutouts so it doesn’t matter what she says or does. She sees nothing wrong with it and it means nothing that she hurts other people with her words and deeds. The only pain she feels is her own.

Therefore what can we make of the mooncrow’s assertion:

“I am the only person posting here.
You are just sock puppets and trolls. “

Hmm?

(for the record, “she” is not referring to “She”, the short nick-name for the brilliant Shenonymous.)

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By rico, suave, October 18, 2010 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

moonraven:

I just reread your last. You only believe “halfheartedly” in the universe????

No, really. What in God’s name are you smoking?

In any case, I’m sure the moon is pissed that you would use her name, since you’re “halfhearted” about her existence.

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By moonraven, October 18, 2010 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

There is no traction, rico.

I am the only person posting here.

You are just sock puppets and trolls.

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By rico, suave, October 18, 2010 at 4:07 pm Link to this comment

ITW:

This thread is off the front page so I’m afraid it’ll lose traction. See you soooooooooon….

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By rico, suave, October 18, 2010 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment

ITW:

Ah, c’est vrai! Je suis desole. Mai oui, il (elle?)est Maani.

Look, moon. Why don’t you quit pulling pigtails on the sixth grade playground and answer my argument.

I think Israelis would do a hell of a lot better in Germany among the Turks and Arabs than they would in, say, ANYWHERE ELSE but the US!

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By Gringo, October 18, 2010 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment
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Seems to me that there is a question over the meaning of “Multiculturalism”.  Is
it like you see on TV shows where the white character’s best friend is black and
they live in the same neighborhood and have the same friends and all that or is
it like it is in countless US cities where you have many different cultures all
living in the same city but existing in their own cultural islands. 
I consider myself lucky to live in Los Angeles where you can find a wide range
of different cultures within a few miles of each other.  That doesn’t mean that
you have Indians walking hand in hand with Koreans but at least they are not at
each other’s throats.  What makes it all work is the “live and let live” attitude
most of us have.  So for me, Multiculturalism is alive and well here in L.A.  but if
you are looking for a place where everyone lives beyond their cultural
backgrounds, all accepting and all loving of each other then you are expecting
too much.
I think most immigrants here in the US strive to assimilate to a degree but to
think that they should give up all their cultural baggage is silly.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 18, 2010 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

Rico,
You have the raving, name-calling outlandish and unpleasant, bigoted, anti-semitic mooncrow confused with the thoughtful, humorous and fun-to-argue-with Maani, who is a minister.

We could really punish Germany—send them the mooncrow.

the mooncrow seeks to disrupt every thread, to shut down all debate.  She takes the fascist strategy every time, but calls others “fascist” and “nazi”

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By moonraven, October 18, 2010 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

rico:

Reverend?

You are hallucinating.  I only believe, and half-heartedly at that, in the universe and its ability to go on without us.

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By moonraven, October 18, 2010 at 3:31 pm Link to this comment

I think I have the Final Solution to the German Problem:

Boot all the Israelis out of Palestine and let them scramble for sustenance with the Arabs and Turks in Germany.

If any country deserves that kind of chaos it is Germany!

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By rico, suave, October 18, 2010 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

moon:

Well then, “nazi” has been drained of meaning. Besides, you left out South America, all of Islam, East Asia and Africa. And “troll”? What does that mean? And aren’t you some kind of reverend? Name calling is so beneath you.

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By rico, suave, October 18, 2010 at 3:23 pm Link to this comment

iFriend:

“The USA have done a lot worse.” We’re talking about multiculturalism, not war.

“Humans will always seek better pastures.” And what country on earth do they overwhelmingly pick as a better pasture?

“People flee from WAR zones. Especially places where Drones constantly patrol the skies…” Do you have a figure as to how many refugees the drones have created?

“Would you seek peace and safety if you were in their shoes? Of course you would, instinctively.” And, once again, what country would those seekers overwhelmingly choose?

The United States is the most heterogenous nation on earth, by far. Show me any nation which can boast cities as diverse as Hamtramck MI, Pocatello ID, Harlem NY, Brownsville TX, Ottumwa IA, Selma AL, and Hollywood CA. South Beach Miami FL and San Angelo TX have less in common than Srebrenica and Oslo.

This whole thread started with Angela Merkel stating the obvious, and it turned into bleatings about the West’s nasty proclivity for ethnic cleansing (and WAR). If that’s true why is it that the West is the destination for almost all emigres? Are they suicidal? How many Brits have moved to Zimbabwe or Pakistan to escape the horrors of Birmingham? How many poor African-Americans have fled to South Africa, or Sweden(!) to find the freedom they have been so wrongfully denied in the US? How many gays are leaving Paris for Algeria?

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By moonraven, October 18, 2010 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment

rico,

Of course I am calling her a nazi.  As for other western world leaders, they are all nazis:  Obomba, the midget in France who wants to build a version of Auschwitz for the gypsies, whoever the current dolt is at 10 Downing Street, Merkel but of course.

I am using nazi in its equivalency with fascist.

As for your “posts”?  Give me a break, you are only here to be a troll.

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By iFriend, October 18, 2010 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment
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LOL, Rico Suave, are you sure!!!?

The USA have done a lot worse. Stormed in; killed
tens of millions of Japanese, Vietnamese, Iraqis,
Afghans and Pakistanis. Turned Iraq to rubble.

“Can you imagine any Westerner going to live in a
foreign culture with the explicit expectation that
that Country will bend it’s culture to accommodate
him”  You are having a laugh, Rico.


There will be no Sharia Law in the UK. Stop reading
the Mail on Line.  Mohamed Choudry and his gang are
nothing but a bunch of rabble rouser’s, just like the
EDL.  The majority of Muslims here are good citizens,
its a very tiny minority that are troublesome. Our
legal system is quite capable of dealing with the
trouble makers, and have done so. 

Humans will always seek better pastures. Be it the
poor Asian family or the unemployed English engineer.
The worlds population has ballooned and it is much
easier to travel from one Continent to another hence
the increased numbers of immigrants in Europe.
Europe’s colonial history also has a part to play in
the movement of people. And of course, WARS. People
flee from WAR zones. Especially places where Drones
constantly patrol the skies, indiscriminately dropping bombs on populated towns and villages. Would
you seek peace and safety if you were in their shoes?
Of course you would, instinctively.

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By rico, suave, October 18, 2010 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment

moonraven:

For a good example of the hypocrisy of this website regarding multiculturalism, look at the way my posts are treated. I try to offer political, and, dare I say cultural, diversity on truthdig. Is my diversity embraced? No. Does anyone care to understand my worldview? No. Have I been asked to leave the site? Yes.

Why shouldn’t I believe that the sum total of your “multiculturalism” comprises, clothing, food, language, music, art, and religion and nothing more? Political and economic “diversity” is forbidden. Your concept of multiculturalism and diversity is shallow, facile and cheap.

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By Obbop, October 18, 2010 at 11:49 am Link to this comment

“Diversity is our strength” I constantly read/hear the brainwashed politically correct horde/herd spew with no offered proof adequate to me to show proof of that knee-jerk rhetoric.

Often, “diversity” among the PC ill-educated brainwashed ones refers to the different restaurant types available, not the various cultures they dwell amongst.

Look around the world where diversity causes so much strife, even open warfare.

After the decades of horrors experienced in California where diversity is causing so many social and economic problems I “voted with my feet” and departed Mexifornia; re-entering the USA.

Sadly, the invading horde from the south has followed me across the USA.

But, the ruling elites and corporate America desire the invaders since it assists their class war and will help lead to an eventual oligarchy.

“There’s class warfare, all right, Mr. (Warren) Buffett said, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

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By Inherit The Wind, October 18, 2010 at 11:35 am Link to this comment

rico, suave, October 18 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment

ITW:

That was cold!

********************

Satire can be that way!

I think the mooncrow is fully capable of calling ANYONE a “nazi” who she disagrees with, and Angela Merkel is no exception.

I don’t agree that she’s “better than that”.  Her actions and posts indicate otherwise.

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By rico, suave, October 18, 2010 at 10:55 am Link to this comment

moonraven:

Are you calling Merkel a Nazi?

Merkel has only stated what the world outside of Europe and (non-Latin) North America already knows. Multiculturalism is a 60s New Left fad which doesn’t work. If Merkel is a Nazi, then so is every leader of every non-Western country in the world.

I know you’re better than that moon.

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By rico, suave, October 18, 2010 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

ITW:

That was cold!

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By RRS, October 18, 2010 at 9:48 am Link to this comment
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Yes, when Jesus moved to the USA I believe he started speaking English, your point is????

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By moonraven, October 18, 2010 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

Only ten years of reunification and the old nazis rise from their ashes to seek “living room” and a FINAL SOLUTION TO MINORITIES.

Nothing new here.

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By slingshot, October 18, 2010 at 9:11 am Link to this comment

Any and all discussions of immigrants in Europe should be required to contain a couple geographic facts for North Americans. Reunified Germany has a population of 83 million in an area the size of Montana. Environmentally, infrastructurally and financially the continued influx of immigrants is not sustainable. Why don’t European politicians simply frame this touchy subject like this?

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By Inherit The Wind, October 18, 2010 at 9:09 am Link to this comment

I agree with RRS:  Germany should definitely implement an “English Only” policy.

After all, if English was good enough for Jesus Christ it should be good enough for everyone!

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By RRS, October 18, 2010 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

Angela is correct but Germany’s fault just as US is experiencing the same -
without total immersion in the culture the West is losing the heritage it worked
and died for.  Sharia law, Jewish law, ghettos, not english only, is tearing the West
apart and should be stopped or immigration stopped.

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By rico, suave, October 18, 2010 at 7:02 am Link to this comment

yakoshiba:

I ask that because, when it comes to multiculturalism, no one has any legitimate complaint against the West compared to the rest of the world.

And how much intellectual firepower did you have to muster to come up with your “version two”? Childish.

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By rico, suave, October 18, 2010 at 6:58 am Link to this comment

RAE:

Your point about the Chinese in Canada is revealing. Unlike Hispanics in the DC or Muslims in London and Paris, the Chinese are not agitating in Ottawa for Canada to accept Chinese culture or pay the consequences. They live as they wish, and ask for little in return. If the signs in their stores are unreadable for you, they will lose your business before they’d demand that you learn Chinese.

The Saudis have built large, walled enclaves, “ghettoes” if you will, where Western contractors and their families are permitted to live as they please; as long as they stay behind those walls. When western women leave the compounds they wear head coverings and don’t travel alone. You don’t see Westerners protesting in Riyadh their “right” to open a liquor store or Victoria’s Secret in Mecca.

The Saudis couldn’t be bothered with all this multicultural claptrap. They know and like who they are and would welcome you, I’m sure, if you wanted to assimilate into their culture.

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By C.Curtis.Dillon, October 18, 2010 at 6:49 am Link to this comment

RAE:

You’re not alone in your feelings.  I live most of the time in Ukraine and am a stranger in my wife’s country.  I stay home most of the time, glued to my computer and websites that are predominantly American.  I feel at home there as what I see and read is comfortable and familiar to me.  I can sympathize with your feelings completely.

That said, I spent a number of years in university (7-8 including all my graduate school years) with the last 4 at Stanford.  It was an international community and very vibrant.  I had (and still have) friends from many countries.  I feel alive when I visit or even just talk to them.  I learned a great deal about life and getting along from those interactions.  So I can sympathize with the other side of the issue as well.

America became a great nation because of our multi-cultural mix of people.  Different cultures see the world in different ways and problems sometimes are more easily solved when they are viewed through different lenses.  That was certainly the case at my university.  A mono-culture is hamstrung by its myopic view of things.  China was a mess until outsiders started coming in the 1980s.  They learned how to build things from Europeans and Americans.  There are foreign communities in several Chinese cities (mostly expats working there but a community none the less).  Some know Chinese while others don’t.  I don’t speak much Russian and yet am able to function OK despite my discomfort, which is primarily lingual with a small amount of culture.  You don’t have to become a Ukrainian to live in Ukraine just as you don’t have to become an American to live in America.  We have had multi-cultural and multi-lingual groups for a long time (actually since the start of our country) and we got along pretty good.  It is the intolerance of those who have that is driving this vitriol.  Perhaps they are feeling insecure, knowing that America is no longer exclusively or even predominantly WASP.  That can make one insecure I’m sure.

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By freelyb, October 18, 2010 at 6:45 am Link to this comment
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RAE,

I’m with you. I don’t mind having people to dinner if they are hungry—as long as they don’t demand that I then change the existing menu to better suit them.

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By yakoshiba, October 18, 2010 at 6:34 am Link to this comment

{By rico, suave, October 18 at 9:23 am Link to this comment Once again- Is there anybody out there who can show me anywhere else but in the West that multiculturalism is even up for debate?}

...and you ask that because..? To show that the West should be like the people it doesn’t want to become like? We shall not allow asians and africans to assimilate us by becoming like them? Makes perfect sense.
...Or version two: “we shall return to the real values of when we kept massacaring each other by the million and tried to shoulder the white man’s burden.”? Ah, golden days, no darkies or women meddling in the voting process, lesser nations knowing their place, a firestorm or two over Dresden, a noman’s land or two in Flanders, back when people were real and morals were not corrupted…”

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By RAE, October 18, 2010 at 6:09 am Link to this comment

We humans are territorial animals every bit as much as most others. We feel most comfortable at home surrounded by the culture into which we were born and raised.

As a Canadian I have lived almost everywhere in this vast country from coast to coast to coast. There have been astonishing changes in the cultural environment over the seven decades I’ve been around.

When I was a kid growing up in Toronto I was aware there was a Chinatown. I’d heard about areas where others - Italians, I remember specifically - kinda stuck together in a few blocks.

The Chinese, it seems to me, have been a spectacular success at establishing ghettos in foreign countries while keeping virtually everything about their culture intact. I’ve never heard of any uprising to get rid of a Chinatown… or even change them! And yet when I enter “their” territory many times I can’t read their signage, understand their language, make sense of their medicines or spices - in short, I am a foreigner in those few square blocks. I enjoy my visit and when I leave I return to “my” comfort zone and no longer feel foreign.

Around 1970 I moved to the west coast. Vancouver was a wonderfully funky place to live but it was still “Canadian.” English speaking mostly with just a sprinkling of other languages/cultures integrated as a spice. Then came Expo86 - the city magnates decided Vancouver should become a “World Class City” and, as far I’m concerned it’s been all downhill since. Oriental and many other Asian and South Asian folk, for some reason, decided to immigrate… by the tens of thousands! The Chinese overflowed Chinatown like a tsunami… they virtually took over entire suburbs and turned “my” Vancouver into what is now called “Hongcouver.” There are entire shopping centres in Richmond where English is a foreign language. I left in 1990. This was no longer my country.

And I’m not supposed to feel resentment that MY country has been hijacked? MY territory was invaded by those who have no intention of assimilating into the culture.

But then when we “whities” arrived en masse from Europe several centuries ago I don’t think we had any intention to adopt the lifestyles and languages already well established in North America, did we?

When I watch the news it’s like watching the goings on in a foreign land. I can’t pronounce most of the names and I can’t understand what half the people are saying because of heavy accents.

So today I live more or less as a recluse in my own country. I moved far out of any city to an acreage and have almost no integration with a world which has grown most uncomfortable around me.

And I don’t understand why I’m somehow the “bad guy” when I wish most of these people would just pack up and go back home. I don’t wish any of them any ill will. But like any “visitors” there’s a time to leave before you wear out your welcome. And frankly, those who come to MY country and refuse to adopt a “when in Rome, do as the Romans do” attitude but instead impose their ways on me, are no longer welcome.

Call me what you will but that’s my take on it. I suppose I’m a Luddite, a dinosaur, a misfit. I am comfortable in my ways. I am NOT comfortable having to deal with the ways of others. That’s the way it is.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 18, 2010 at 5:53 am Link to this comment

Thanks, Wooffi:
I forgot completely about the component of the newer part of the Federal Republic, the former “Democratic” Republic.  There have been and still are tensions between the “old” Federal Republicans and the “new” ones—i.e. the West and East Germans.

I repeat: it’s not just going on in Germany but all over the EU. But because it’s Germany, people gasp, and over-react. Turkish, particularly the Western Turkish, are probably the most European of all the Islamic-majority nations. Also, would expect the children of “guest workers” to be a fluent in German as any other native-born German.

But part of it’s the chicken and the egg syndrome.  Are the Turkish not integrating because for the first part of the 40-50 years they were in Germany they were discouraged from integrating and now, when they are encouraged, they are locked into their old coping patterns?

Are the Arabs living in Germany encouraged to integrate?

I don’t know the answer to these questions—I just don’t know enough of the inner dynamics of German domestic policy and the current culture.

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By rico, suave, October 18, 2010 at 5:23 am Link to this comment

Once again- Is there anybody out there who can show me anywhere else but in the West that multiculturalism is even up for debate?

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By C.Curtis.Dillon, October 18, 2010 at 5:15 am Link to this comment

Ron:

Angela’s party is called the CDU ... CHRISTIAN Democratic Union.  It has always been a religious party so her “Christian Values” is consistent with the party’s stated objectives.

The problem for Merkel and others is the whole open union issue.  No longer is it possible to erect border fences or even immigration stands at the border.  If you are a citizen of the EU you have the right to live wherever you want.  And Turks, those who won’t integrate, have been the backbone of Germany’s success, working in jobs normal German’s won’t take.  This is only becoming an issue because of the austerity drive and a rightward tilt throughout Europe.  Nothing has changed in the last 20-30 years but the politics.  I watched a program just last night where the official German government TV station (DW-TV) did a segment on integration in schools.  They visited a random high school in Berlin and talked with teachers, administrators and students.  There were no big issues between the kids.  They were getting along just fine.  As always, this is a political tempest in a teapot being driven by Merkel’s affiliation with the FDP party which is ultra-right wing.  Had she kept the SPD relationship that existed before the last election things would have been much calmer.

This is politics guys ... plain and simple.

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By godistwaddle, October 18, 2010 at 4:22 am Link to this comment

First the Jews,  now the Arabs.  Those Germans just can’t help being anti-Semitic, eh?

Semite: 1.A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

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By yakoshiba, October 18, 2010 at 3:17 am Link to this comment

Aha! Were I a German comic worth his salt, I’d say the following on the local equivalent of the Colbert Report or whatever:
“it’s high time someone said it: gender equality has failed miserably. A fat troll with sagging boobs must stay at home and nurse grandchildren, and not be allowed to do anything more complicated than a crossword puzzle once a week, let alone be allowed to become a head of state. Gender equality was a mistake. We all kidded ourselves that a granma could grow some frontal lobes, but this approach has failed, utterly failed.”
and also, that there’s a need for “mandatory Burka for all people named Merkel when out on the streets.” That should do it.

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By yakoshiba, October 17, 2010 at 10:53 pm Link to this comment
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Yes, it’s high time someone said it: gender equality has failed miserably. A fat troll with sagging boobs must stay at home and nurse grandchildren, and not be allowed to do anything more complicated than a crossword puzzle once a week, let alone be allowed to become a head of state. Gender equality was a mistake. We all kidded ourselves that a granma could grow some frontal lobes, but this approach has failed, utterly failed.

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By Pshycobabbler, October 17, 2010 at 10:20 pm Link to this comment
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These gross generalizations about what is right and wrong for the public reeks of elitism. You have no right to preach to individuals what is appropriate for them because you have no idea what they are facing in their lives. When you understand that public opinion matters then you will hopefully start listening and God forbid you might actually learn something.

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By wooffi, October 17, 2010 at 8:07 pm Link to this comment

I am German and could not agree more with ‘Inherit The Wind’, how finally put
the cork into ‘Rico the happy pilot’.

Once again we are simply talking about racism….

Merkel was always a right winger, coming from the eastern sector no surprise.
The very oppresses east german population tends to be less liberal.

Let’s not forget that unlike in the United States these so called immigrants
where actually invited in to Germany as ‘Guest Workers’  in the boom of the
50’s and 60’s.

The German resentment grew when the mostly men workers than brought their
families, legally I might add.

With the unification the east german resentment towards these Mediterranean
folk grew even more, focused mostly on the turkish population because of their
muslim culture and customs.

As in the United States the excuse of poor assimilation is what it is an excuse
for witch hunt and under covered racism.

For me the value of these people lies in their cultures, do we need to suppress
(assimilate) them?

I do not identify with ‘Most Germans’ as they may seem more progressive on
the outside, but are by nature undeniable conservative.

So I do agree with ‘kerryrose’ ‘Here we go again, German?

Just another sad day in the march of global conservatism.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 17, 2010 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment

Quite frankly, Germany isn’t an exception. It’s happening all over Europe.  France is deporting Roma people.  I don’t know a lot about German policy, but I do know that lumping the Turkish in Germany and the Arabs in Germany together is a mistake for a number of reasons:
1) The only thing Turks and Arabs have in common is their religion—the vast majority are Muslim.  Other than that they don’t share language, ethnicity or culture.  The Arabs have a multi-century history of hating the Turks because they were conquered by them.

2) There has been a multi-generation Turkish community in Germany for decades.  The problems arose when Germany, unlike the US, didn’t accept the children of Turkish that were born in Germany as German citizens.  I THINK that has changed but I may be wrong (I hope not).  From what little I know I believe the Turks have integrated far better as a rule than the Arabs.

3) It’s simple enough to make the regulations for naturalization require significant knowledge of the nation, rudimentary fluency in the national language, and taking a legally binding oath or affirmation of loyalty to the new nation that out-ranks all other national loyalties.

Now here’s one place, where despite the Palins and 14th Amendment repealers, the USA stands out.  We’ve ALWAYS had isolated communities that don’t integrate much or at all in the US.  Think of the Amish, or the Chasidic communities.  Or the communities in Alaska that STILL speak Russian.  Or the Eastern Shore communities on the Chesapeake who still have their English accents—after 300 years!  We have our Indian Reservations—nations within the Nation.

And every immigrant group creates a community here, sometimes for generations, before they branch out (and, in the past, they couldn’t buy homes outside of certain neighborhoods, either).

Yet we STILL expect those people, as Americans, to be loyal to America, even if they disagree with current government policies.

(Ironically, in the 1880’s, German immigrants weren’t much liked in the US.  Remember the Haymarket Square Bombing?  They went right for the German immigrants they wanted to blame for it, even though they never made any connection.)

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By rico, suave, October 17, 2010 at 7:12 pm Link to this comment

kerryrose:

You’re dodging my question. Where else but in the West is multiculturalism even a word?

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By Steve, October 17, 2010 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment
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This is not about multi-culturalism, this is about anti-Semitism towards the other semites, the Muslims.  Most of your comments here are just purely racist.  I hear these same comments and justifications spewed out towards the black man, even today. 
Every new immigrant culture takes a couple of generations to adjust to their new society.  Both of my sets of grandparents can barely speak English, one’s Polish the other Italian.  When you are brought up a certain way, it’s not as easy to give up the old.  I’ve been to Germany a number of times, they never accepted the Muslim immigrants.  In fact they treated them worse than second class citizens. It’s very easy for you all to blame the victims.  How can they assimilate to the culture when that culture explicitly is racist towards them? 
It will take time, multi-culturalism only fails due to the hubris and arrogance of the majority culture.  Look at Germany’s World Cup team, a Tunisian and Turk were star players.  This did not happen even in the 90’s due to the prejudices in the soceity.  Believe me, there were plenty of good non-white players in Germany at the time.  When even your sports team were racist, it’s pretty deep seated in the country.  Merkel is just another white woman with no respect for other cultures.  Remember, these are the same people who built ovens for people about 60 years ago.

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By kerryrose, October 17, 2010 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment

rico

Non hatred and non fear of the other.  Acceptance.  Community.  Peace.

It is not just the West.  Think of Israel.  Think of South Africa.

In many cases it has been empirical shenanigans which have forced intolerable conditions in the countries that people are fleeing. A circular condition.

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By rico, suave, October 17, 2010 at 5:48 pm Link to this comment

kerryrose:

Let me ask you again. Where else except in the West are we even having this debate?

You’re right about one thing: Multiculturalism is a leftwing cause. What’s the goal?

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By kerryrose, October 17, 2010 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment

rico

Don’t you see the similiarities between right wing stances recently.  The Muslim buzz in the US, the Gypsies in France, and now Germany. There are rumblings in the UK, too.

Suddenly, we ‘just take it anymore.’ 

Ever wonder what else was going on, or is it just all a big coincidence?

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By gerard, October 17, 2010 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

Multiculturism hasn’t failed.  The present occupants of Germany have failed to find ways to get along together and accept each others’ differences.  That’s not just Germany’s problem these days; the whole world is grappling with the same problem. Yet it is utterly impossible to force everybody to swear to the same allegiances, wear the same clothes, believe the same beliefs, treasure the same history.
Besides, it’s totally boring and unimaginative.  So there’s nothing else but to learn to get along—or else suffer eventual extinction of the human race. All for one; one for all.

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By Steve E, October 17, 2010 at 3:36 pm Link to this comment

Canada tried multiculturalism and it flopped. We are still stymied with two official
languages. Both elements have created massive and expensive government
industries. In Canada you can always hear that great sucking noise of
unproductive government waste. You could easily cut at least half of the
government employees but that would hurt the economy, so we are stuck with
them. Locally here they caught a number of government employees spending a lot
of there time viewing porno sites and they couldn’t fire them. The union is too
strong.

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By rico, suave, October 17, 2010 at 3:19 pm Link to this comment

kerry:

How is multi-culti working out in, say, Iran? Saudi Arabia? China? Zimbabwe? Rwanda? Sudan? Palestine? Cyprus? Cambodia? Russia?

What Merkel has realized is that people are coming to Germany to change Germany, not to become Germans. If a Turk loves being Turkish that much, he should stay in Turkey, not come to Germany and insist that Germany make a space for his culture. If a Muslim can’t stand the thought of giving up sharia, he shouldn’t come to the UK and demand that Britain protect his decidedly un-British sensitivities.

Why is the West the only civilization playing this silly game? Can you imagine a Westerner going to live and work in ANY foreign country with the explicit expectation that that country will bend its culture to accommodate him? How far do you think you would get if you asked the French government to print election ballots, or food labels in Arabic? Or Spanish!?

A simple rule that has defined nations and cultures and had been taken for granted up until the ‘60s is: When in Rome, do as the Romans. Now it’s become, When in the West, demand that the West do as you do.

Oh, and, don’t be too concerned that Merkel will be ordering another Krystallnacht anytime soon.

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By Ron, October 17, 2010 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment
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It would be hard to argue with her, except the “Christian Values” part. Most
modern Europeans embrace secular values, which has led to decades of relative
peace and prosperity. Why anyone would expect well-educated, modern
secularists to live happily ever after alongside people who’s attitudes are stuck in
the bronze age without eventually running into serious problems is a mystery.

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By Jim Yell, October 17, 2010 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment
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The fact is legal residents have the right to become citizens and to be protected by the laws of the country they have entered, but they do not have the right to expect the norms to be tailored to fit themselves, They have an obligation to educate themselves in the language of their new country, the history of their new country and while they surely should celebrate their past history, the country they chose to live in is their new country and that is where their loyalty should be. If it remains firmly with the country of origin than let them return where they would be more happy.

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By kerryrose, October 17, 2010 at 11:58 am Link to this comment

Well, Germany certainly has the history of knowing how to deal with ‘those who are unwanted and unassimilated into German society.’

Here we go again, Germany?

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By expat in germany, October 17, 2010 at 10:49 am Link to this comment
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As a lifelong liberal who has lived in Germany for the last four years, I can assure you that Ms. Merkel is correct, and there is nothing right-wing about saying what is true, even if we would prefer that it were not. While it is true that one can find many foreign-born citizens here who are thoroughly assimilated, the majority are not, and many of the latter do not display any desire to be, instead creating small, insular communities within German society. I am no fan of Angela Merkel, but in this case she has merely acknowledged what most Germans know is true. This superficial article suggests a poor understanding of contemporary German culture.

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