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McCain: U.S. Should Lead War in Syria

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Posted on Mar 5, 2012
Dan Bennett (CC-BY)

If we did it in Libya, we should do it in Syria. So says Sen. John McCain, anyway, who put out the call Monday for the U.S. to lead a war effort to stop the slaughter of civilians in Syria by taking to the skies above the imploding Middle Eastern nation. This statement represents a marked shift in strategy for the veteran senator—and it probably won’t fly.  —KA

AP via The Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

“The only realistic way to do so is with foreign airpower,” McCain concluded. “The United States should lead an international effort to protect key population centers in Syria, especially in the north, through airstrikes on Assad’s forces.”

McCain’s proposal will likely divide American lawmakers, many of whom opposed a similar operation in Libya last year. Even if it were championed by the Obama administration and its NATO allies, the plan would divide other countries hostile to the Assad regime but unwilling to support another Western military intervention in the Muslim world. And it would be anathema to Russia, which sees Syria as its primary ally in the Middle East.

Unlike the international Libya campaign that ousted Moammar Gadhafi in Libya last year, military action against Syria would not have the backing of the U.N. Security Council and would be difficult to justify under international law. In many ways, it would also be a rejection of Obama’s doctrine stressing international collaboration on applying military force.

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By moonraven, March 8, 2012 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

Patrick:

Your racist slur is unacceptable.  Pack your bags and go back to where your people came from.  If you find that difficult to do, someone from your local REZ came go over and help you sit on those bags until they zip closed.

Native Americans have been fighting for the return of their land for several centuries now—what do you think the Wounded Knee occupation was all about in the 70s—gambling licenses.?

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By PatrickHenry, March 8, 2012 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment

Moonraven,

I think the founders were refering to personal rights not property rights as hyocritical as that sounds with most of them slaveowners.

I was unaware that native Americans had a word or concept of land ownership until the casinos arrived.

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By moonraven, March 8, 2012 at 3:07 pm Link to this comment

Pat:  But your Bill of Rights provided no rights for MY people—without whose land there would be no Gringolandia—nor for African Americans, nor for women nor for white males who did not have any of that land stolen from my people.

That, as we say, is the bottom line of this matter.

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By PatrickHenry, March 7, 2012 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment

moonraven,

As a patriot I love my country but hate my government.  I don’t advocate American intervention in anything but the war on poverty, the war on hunger and any other war that would deprive anyone of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

As with other families worldwide, I take pride in my home, my neighborhood and local government because I make it so with my friends, coworkers and neighbors, once the politicians get elected and do bullshit in my name, I am speechless because it does not reflect our national consensus.

The Bill of Rights was not designed for gringo Americanos only but it was created for everyone worldwide, any banter otherwise is a ruse from the intended goal of the document.

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By Oceanna, March 7, 2012 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

“Fortunately, they have not managed to deport all the Spanish-speakers in
Tucson.”

The reactionary trends throughout the country are scary.  Maybe they’re the
stuff of death throes, of trying to seize control shortly before the inevitable.

Empires are a dime a dozen, historically speaking. They come and they go. 
This one is going down, I think, and I’m afraid without any caution or humility. 

Americans in general are illiterate when it comes to other languages.  I guess if
you think you’re living in the center of the universe, you assume everyone else
should should speak your language.

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By moonraven, March 7, 2012 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

Fortunately, they have not managed to deport all the Spanish-speakers in Tucson.

Yet.

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By Oceanna, March 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

Moonraven

By “around here”, I meant this specific website TD.  Or Gringolandia media. 

Yes, might as well get your feet wet in cyberspace for the actual touching down in
Gringolandia.  It’ll ease some of the culture shock, I’d suppose.

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By moonraven, March 7, 2012 at 12:02 pm Link to this comment

Thanks, Oceanna.  But “around here” sounds uncomfortably like “in Gringolandia”, even in virtual space. 

But then, I guess I’d better pull up my pants, since in a couple weeks I will be on the ground in Arizona observing the latest genocidal manuevers of the white land thieves uber alles.

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By Oceanna, March 7, 2012 at 11:27 am Link to this comment

Did the Empire and their advisors in bizarro world think any of the obstacles
before they began saber-rattling throughout the media and sending over ammo to
the jihadist opposition in Syria?  Like the Russian equipped Syrian air force that’s
not malleable to a no-fly zone or the veto from Russia and China? 

I’m sure there will be a “humanitarian” loophole found somewhere that gets the
Obama admin past its stalemate of merely arming the opposition and endlessly
prepping the public for a Libya2 invasion.  I’d swear I’ve seen this movie before.

Good to see you around here, Moonraven.

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By moonraven, March 7, 2012 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

Patrick:

I concur with Dr. Johnson, who said “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel”, and with Bob Dylan, who recycled that phrase in the 60s.

Patriots are pimps for fascism and genocide, both euphemistically called nationalism.

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By vector56, March 7, 2012 at 3:55 am Link to this comment

Libya was the template of how to hijack the Arab Spring and re-colonize the Middle East.

The next time you thank a vet for his or her service, be aware that that service is being done on behave of EXXON Mobile and BP.

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By gerard, March 6, 2012 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment

Americans in general are either too dumb to notice, or simply don’t care as long as it’s other people who die.  There’s been more than enough evidence to make clear that all these Middle East dictators are deliberately allowed to infringe on their people’s human rights. Otherwise early interventions with real peacemaking negotiations, where the people’s interests are fully taken into consideration and people are helped to have the support they need to “speak truth to their overlords”, would be forthcoming as a matter of course.
  Thus the need for protests of the people would be get a fair hearing, and the impulses toward violence would be quelled by changes to their advantage.
  But who cares enough to intervene constructively ahead of time?  And why don’t we care, even as we prate about “democracy”?  Because money is to be made by selling weapons to both sides of the wars that inevitablyi ensue.
  It’s a racket, and we are some of the gangsters. Otherwise we would demand sincere early preventative negotiations which would stop wars before they start. 
  Our two-faced behavior (which mcCain so clearly illustrates) is sickening. “Don’t do anything constructive until it’s too late; then come in with your bombs, tanks, death squads and prisons, and call it “a people’s revolution aided by humanitarian intervention” or somethin equally hypocritical.

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By PatrickHenry, March 6, 2012 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment

kafantaris,

Are you some kind of spambot created by the military industries? McCain is flat out wrong on this and we need to keep our troops out of it.  The rebels are killing most of the civilians in Syria.

Moonraven,

Please don’t confuse McCains warlike stance for patriotism, it isn’t even close.

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By blogdog, March 6, 2012 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment

Truth About Danny the Zionist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=chJm-qi9HHo

as for McPain and the concept of ‘Policeman of the World’ - had he been elected,
the empire and its NATO hit team would be no more vicious than under the
Obomber regime

principal difference: the anti-war movement would be robust and burgeoning -
not the impotent shell we now have, with marginal presence within OWS

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By moonraven, March 6, 2012 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment

vector:  Most gringos spend their time beating the drum for non-white blood.

I guess it’s a fulltime job, that.  Which is why nobody has a “real” job anymore.

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By moonraven, March 6, 2012 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

kaftanmania:

That brutal regime killing people every day around the planet is called the US government, patriot.

Wise up.

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By moonraven, March 6, 2012 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

I have an idea for this patriotic pimp, McCain:  DSrop his fat ass in Afghanistan and let him see who makes him a POW first.

The Syrian caper is just another CIA/Mossad/MI6 theater piece.  What about that Brit, Danny, the pseudo Syrian who’s been calling for an invasion of Syria while he directs the t.v. shows of armed conflict?

The youtube links are at the bottom of the page of this article, if you are a monolingual gringo patriot who cannot read Spanish:

http://www.aporrea.org/internacionales/n200260.html

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By kafantaris, March 6, 2012 at 7:13 am Link to this comment
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Watching a brutal regime kill scores of people day after day with impunity, that it may stay in power, makes accomplices of us all. 
History will not be kind. 
Senator McCain is right. The World has sat this out too long. 
The time to act on Syria is now—and we may be already too late.

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By kafantaris, March 5, 2012 at 11:54 pm Link to this comment
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Watching from afar day after day a brutal regime kill
its people with impunity, so that it may stay in power,
makes an accomplice of us all. 
History will not be kind. 
Senator McCain is right. The World has sat this out too
long. 
The time to act on Syria is now—and we may be too
late already.

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By vector56, March 5, 2012 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment

Old John (Napalm) McCain; got shot down in Vietnam while incinerating women and children from the sky. a few of those little Yellow bastards fished his wounded ass out of the river before he drowned. Now he spends most of his time beating the drums of war for brown blood! Proof positive there is not (just) God.

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By PatrickHenry, March 5, 2012 at 6:22 pm Link to this comment

gerard,

Thanks for sharing that. 

My sentiments exactly regarding the UN veto and its override.

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By kafantaris, March 5, 2012 at 6:14 pm Link to this comment
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Watching a brutal regime kill scores of people day
after day with impunity, that it may stay in power
makes accomplices of us all.  History will be unkind.
McCain is right.  We have sat this one out too long. 
The time to act is now.  And we may already be too
late.

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By gerard, March 5, 2012 at 6:00 pm Link to this comment

Counterpunch.org had a very plain-spoken article online yesterday about why US OR NATO should NOT get into the Syrian situation with military force. The humanitarian argument is indeed strong, but Uri Avnery on “Why Intervening in Syria is a Crazy Idea.”
at least deserves a read, with a better, more lasting and unbiased intervention countering McCain’s suggestion.
  Avnery:  “BASHAR AL-ASSAD is teaching us that what is needed is a total overhaul of the UN charter. It must start with the veto.
“The division of power it represents is ridiculously outdated. Why China and not India? Why France and not Germany?
“But that is a minor point. The major point is that it is intolerable for one power, or even several, to block the will of mankind. Today, the UN is a veritable Vetostan.
“If the veto cannot be done away altogether, as it should, a mechanism must be found to limit it in a sensible way. For example: a 75% majority in the General Assembly, or a unanimous vote of all the non-veto-wielding Security Council members, should be able to override a veto.
“In such a case, the UN, under a new type of Secretary General, should be able to call upon the militaries of member states to put an end to crimes against humanity anywhere, making the intervention of organizations like NATO redundant.
“No major forces are needed in Syria. Egyptian and Turkish troops, in combination with the Free Syrian Army, should be sufficient.”

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By PatrickHenry, March 5, 2012 at 4:49 pm Link to this comment

McCain is way past due on retirement.

This stooge needs to get his collaberator ass to a retirement home quickly.

He is living proof of Diebold and the voter fraud rampant in US politics.

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By Talkmaster, March 5, 2012 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment

an please stop pretending to care about sandniggers. I mean you give a sh*tt
about palestinians and now you want Arabs to believe that you or the russians or
the chinese care about arabs?. I mean. Even Brangelina loves the Assads.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2012/feb/23/brad-pitt-
angelina-jolie-assads

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By joe r, March 5, 2012 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment
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How long will Arizona keep sending this warmonger back to Washington? 
Vote these Neo-Con’s out.

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By Talkmaster, March 5, 2012 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

please let the syrians alone. Your intervention in Iraq brought this sectarian
unbalance to syria. It`s Iraq`s Maliki government who`s backing the Assad
regime.

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By richard a. winkler, March 5, 2012 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment
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The US is not the policeman of the world Mr. McCain.  It is too expensive and not worth it.  Thank god you and that air head you picked for VP didn’t get elected.  You have been there too long John, go home and let someone with new, fresh ideas take over, if that is possible.

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