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Marines Face Possible War Crimes Accusation for Desecration Video

Posted on Jan 12, 2012
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Footage purportedly showing four American soldiers urinating on the bodies of dead Taliban fighters surfaced on YouTube on Wednesday. The desecration of dead combatants is a serious crime under the Geneva Conventions and U.S. military law.

The Marine Corps assured the public that “the actions portrayed are not consistent with our core values and are not indicative of the character of the Marines in our Corps.” However, there have been incidents—including the slaying of three Afghan civilians and subsequent coverup by a “kill squad” two years ago, the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and the slaughter of 24 Iraqis by a Marine staff sergeant in 2005—that run against that claim. —ARK

The Guardian:

In the graphic short video, four soldiers in combat gear and carrying weapons are seen acting in unison as they urinate on three bloodied corpses. One of the soldiers sighs with relief, another says “yeah” and a third laughs. One remarks: “Have a great day, buddy”. Another says: “Golden, like a shower”.

A fifth soldier films the incident.

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By Arabian Sinbad, January 13, 2012 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment

By heterochromatic, January 13 at 6:09 pm
Are you Hitler’s cousin?! Or are you “Hitler” spewing filth under different nom de plume?!

I am a citizen of the world whose fate brought him from one Land of Wrongly Oppressed and Dispossessed Natives to another Land of Dispossessed and Ethnically Cleansed Natives, to become a warrior against the evil ones in both lands! I am a voice for truth and justice!

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By "G"utless "W"itless Hitler, January 13, 2012 at 7:38 pm Link to this comment

“As a linguist expert and analyst. . .”—Arabian

Uh huh.  Sounds like the kind of expertise one gets
from an education in the West.  Still live in America,
eh?  The cognitive dissonance must be crippling.

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By heterochromatic, January 13, 2012 at 7:09 pm Link to this comment

”  I don’t think you told us
where you live, Arabian Sinbad.”

ASS lives in a state of putrefaction.

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By Arabian Sinbad, January 13, 2012 at 6:59 pm Link to this comment

By “G"utless “W"itless Hitler, January 13 at 5:03 pm
As a linguist expert and analyst, I have the capacity to to tell savages, bigots, Zionists, white trash and scum from the language they employ.

From your nom de plume, in the first place, and the trash you spew from your filthy mouth, I maintain that you are the epitome of the evil savage, bigot, Zionist, white trash and the scum you are!

I maintain this as an article of firm faith, and you, in your petty-mindedness, are challenged to prove me wrong- you personification of evil “Hitler”!

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By "G"utless "W"itless Hitler, January 13, 2012 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

“Well, he should have armed himself if he’s going to
decorate his saloon with my friend.”—Will Munny

Or, in the context of this thread, Afghanistan and
Pakistan better police their own shit if they don’t
want the U.S. doing for them.

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By "G"utless "W"itless Hitler, January 13, 2012 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment

Freedom fighters! Now that’s rich.  The cultures you
defend have no notion of freedom.  They fight for the
right to maintain the status quo: namely, to deny women
and other disenfranchised groups the rights that
Americans and Western Europeans have already codified
for house pets.  Cultures are not created equal; some
of them suck.  And when it comes down to a sucking
contest between the U.S. and Afghanistan or Pakistan,
well. . . Oh, by the way, I don’t think you told us
where you live, Arabian Sinbad.

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By PatrickHenry, January 13, 2012 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment


Pentagon flacks are losing their mojo.

Expected something like: “After reviewing the video, it is clear the US combatants depicted were attempting to extinguish burning clothing of enemy wounded so medical attention could be provided in a timely manner. Their resourceful improvisation may well have saved lives.”

I love you man.

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By walterbard, January 13, 2012 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

To Arabian sinbad

“Both of you are a couple of Zionist white trash savages”

Coming from you, thank you for the compliment.
White trash?  talk about racism
Zionist? Yup. definitely. Proud of it too.

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By heterochromatic, January 13, 2012 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment

Big B——I doubt that you understand what I had to
say, but I assure you that I would not piss on the
corpse of an enemy and never have and never indicated
approval for such.

try learning to read, turkey, before pissing on your
own shoes.

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By heterochromatic, January 13, 2012 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment

I tend to doubt that being white makes anyone more
likely to be trash ASS.

bigotry and hatred and ignorance comes from every
corner of the globe and those whom, in your worthless
estimation, you call freedom fighters are oppressive
and ignorant and murderous scum, even if they’re not
what you would call “white”.

if you reach manhood, you might learn as much. good

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By John Poole, January 13, 2012 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment
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To heterochromatic:  We don’y know who the deceased were in the photo/video.
They could have been regular Afghan farmers. It is their land -we are the
invaders. Osama was a Saudi! Yeah, he hung in Afghanistan but so what?  Nuke
Saudi Arabia?
  My “manliness”, my nuts, my bravery says I’ll defend the homeland from
invaders. Going overseas to “fight them before they come here” is a bullshit
cowardly act. by those who enjoy killing.  Only sadists are serving. There is no
draft. These “troops” justify their sadism by saying they are protecting me!  I’ll
protect myself and my family right here in the USA. I don’t need to hide in the
kevlar skirts of sadist Marines.

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By Arabian Sinbad, January 13, 2012 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment

By heterochromatic, January 13 at 3:42 pm

Well hetero, I forgot to include you in the group of those Zionist white trash savages who are a disgrace to humanity. On top of that you are you’re a bunch of haters and bigots who don’t pass an opportunity to show decent people that you’re the scum of the earth!

If you go through the comments on this thread, you will realize how much your types are despised!

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By Jimnp72, January 13, 2012 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment

This was just one instance that happened to be recorded.

How much more atrocious behavior occurs that is NEVER discovered?

Then they come back here and join the police.

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By PatrickHenry, January 13, 2012 at 4:53 pm Link to this comment

“W"itless Hitlerbard,

Are you guys bookends? 

The same zionist twats who preach the zionist hasbara hypocrisy.

Wait till these guys come home, it just might be your bodies they piss on and deservedly so.

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By heterochromatic, January 13, 2012 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment

ASin—- you’re acting like what men laugh at.

The Taliban are not freedom fighters, any more than
Hamas or al Qaeda or other religious fanatics killing
women and children for a religion that they don’t even
understand are anything more than perverts and idiots.

it was a depraved act to urinate on those dead people,
but your “freedom fighters” are led by barbarous swine.

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By Arabian Sinbad, January 13, 2012 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment

By walterbard, January 13 at 1:59 pm

By “G"utless “W"itless Hitler, January 13 at 1:59 pm
Both of you are a couple of Zionist white trash savages who are a disgrace to the human race. Those evil marines you support are the scum of the earth and the most notorious terrorists humanity has known. A bunch of trigger-happy cowards who if not for their superior weapons of mass destruction would not stand for an hour facing the freedom fighters who are defending their homeland against those dirty marauders occupiers!

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By ElkoJohn, January 13, 2012 at 4:23 pm Link to this comment

There’s nothing civilized about war, get used to it.
Even in the ‘‘good war’’—ie, WW-II—the allies firebombed
civilians in Europe & Japan & A-bombed civilians in Japan.
The victor can do anything it wants—no one will hold them accountable.
The vast majority of humans want to live in peace.
Only their governments (on behalf of the pro-war minority)
are addicted to war.
Get rid of governments = no more wars.
Yes, I know that will never happen.

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By PatrickHenry, January 13, 2012 at 3:29 pm Link to this comment

No real biggie. A definite lack of discipline by some young troopers, fire the LT.

I would do the same if I lost some buddies to booby traps, ambushes and other guerilla warfare.

The larger picture is why we are still over there doing this.  These Taliban, insurgents or mujhadeen are defending their own country, village or home and in their own special way are telling us to leave.

Why don’t we?

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By walterbard, January 13, 2012 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

Let’s see, the Taliban. Aren’t these guys the ones who cut noses off girls. Who bomb schools with children in them? And the U.S. in its infinite stupidity, to sheer delight of the Leftists like the producers of this online journal, allows these murderous thugs to exploit a rather minor transgression.Quite minor when compared to the deliberate atrocities these Taliban murderers commit every day. Terror is a Taliban tactic. No wonder the U.S. is losing
ground to the Islamofascists.

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By "G"utless "W"itless Hitler, January 13, 2012 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

Y’all rail on Americans for treating the rest of the
world like a toilet.  But if you’ll take notice, we
only treat those parts of the world like a toilet that
by their own actions have shown themselves to be worthy
of no better treatment.  Cultures aren’t created equal. 
America is FAR from perfect but it’s a F***LOAD better
than Pakistan and Afghanistan!  Those countries take a
big ol’ steaming sh*t on their own people every single
day.  And if those governments are going to try to
export that behavior politically or militarily, then I
for one say piss on ‘em!

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By berniem, January 13, 2012 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment

Will the “leaker” of this video be subject to the same treatment as Pvt. Manning? And, what ever became of the trigger-happy bunch in the helicopter over Baghdad? Just sayin’ FREE BRADLEY MANNING!!!!

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By Big B, January 13, 2012 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment

Isn’t it nice to be condescended to by the likes of flag sucking war pigs like hetero and objective observer? I would make the argument that it takes far more commitment and intellect to NOT kill someone than it does TO kill someone, but that seems way over your heads.

As you hump your bibles this evening and jerk off into your flags I would like to remind you of the cornerstone of our supposed peaceful christian society, the golden rule. Just a hint, it does not read “do unto others as you think they have done or will do to you.”

BTY, how would you feel if someone came to your next family funeral and pissed in your loved ones casket? But then again, sociopaths rarely experience empathy.

That is what our nation has become.

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By they call me the working man, January 13, 2012 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment

I wonder what kind of person the driver was who was assassinated in Iran by mysterious unknown forces. I wonder if he liked sports or music or if he was generally a cool guy to hang around with. I wonder about the scientists that have died, too. Scientists are usually kind intelligent people.

I wonder how many people have been raped and murdered, and I mean murdered outside of combat, in the last decade by our forces or forces acting in our favor. These acts are a regular part of war. American exceptionalism knows no bounds though so we choose to believe that it’s something that the bad guys do to us but we would never do to them.

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By amunaor, January 13, 2012 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

Ohhhhh, what painfully feigned dismays and deplorations, falling from the mouths of those faces that represent world terror. The world grows weary and tired of thee!

I suppose that within this, upside-down Bizzaro landscape, the leaker of the video, no pun intended, will be brought up on charges of espionage.

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By Cindy Moeckel, January 13, 2012 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment
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You take a bunch of otherwise unemployed young people and ship them for
multiple tours of duty in a war that never should have been fought commanded by
professional military people who are unaccountable, and are surprised!  outraged!
at their despicable actions?  Bring the real perpetrators—Bush, Cheney,
Rumsfeld, all the “defense” contractors profiteering from this nonsense—to
justice.  And while we’re at it, FREE BRADLEY MANNING for his brave disclosure—
if indeed it can be proved that he’s the “culprit”—of the dastardly deeds of our
“leaders.”  And close Guantanamo and stop torture.

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By TomThumb101, January 13, 2012 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment
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People sitting at home in clean white shirts should not be too quick to judge what young men do in combat, but they always seem to.

My concern is not with the actions of a few undisciplined troops after the kill; but with politicians who send them into the Himalayas on a fool’s errand and are then shocked to learn that endless war results in acts of barbarism. These incidents and much worse will increase with each additional year we remain in Afghanistan.  Bring them home where they belong and put them to constructive work rebuilding infrastructure.

I agree with the last secretary of defense: —‘Any commander in chief that sends the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines to chase a few hundred militia members through the mountains of Afghanistan should have his head examined.

The current crop of GOP candidates can’t wait to start on Iran. Not that the Dems are any better. The USA has become an international bully. If I lived in the third world I would get a nuclear weapon as soon as possible. We don’t bother those who have it.
An old fart – VietNam 68-69

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By heterochromatic, January 13, 2012 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment

oo——you should have known that one of the things for
which we fight is the right to speak freely, even when
it’s a bunch of people talking a bunch of stupid shit.

and while few would understand what it is that drives
soldiers to piss upon dead enemies, it’s probably
better that they never have to learn.

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By Quagmeyer, January 13, 2012 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment
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What do people expect? 

Havent’ they seen a single war movie since the Vietnam War?  “Apocalypse Now”, “Platoon”, “Full Metal Jacket”, “A Few Good Men”, “Saving Private Ryan”, “Jarhead”, “The Hurt Locker”, etc.

Every war movie since “Apocalypse Now” shows some Marine or other telling someone they will “kill them, rip off their skull and sh_t down their neck” (quoted from Lee Ermey in “Full Metal Jacket” and Jack Nicholson in “A Few Good Men”) or piss on their grave.  That’s in the US Marine field manual.  Marines are not smart enough to come up with this stuff on their own—they are taught this stuff in basic training. 

We train Marines to be professional killers—what do people expect?  Marine recruits train 24 hours a day to kill or be killed.  They go to Parris Island for boot camp and beat the crap out of each other for a few weeks before, like the bumper sticker says—they get shipped off to some foreign land, meet exotic people and kill them.

The Marines are professional killers, and proud of it.  They’re not out there in Fallouja, Iraq or the mountains of Afghanistan playing patty cake.  They are using lethal force and killing people, not taking prisoners.

The Marines have been pissing on their dead enemies for centuries, did we just suddenly wake up and realize this?

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By oucho sparks, January 13, 2012 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

American Marines pissing on the corpses of dead
Asians: is there a more fitting depiction of the USA?
There should be a monument put up in D.C.  Maybe next
to the Lincoln. 
Let’s look at the levels of outrage here. Our elites
are outraged the video was put on the web. 
Brainwashed Americans who fetishize the military are
outraged that these young “warriors” brought dishonor
to the Corps. For the brown peoples of the world,
just another brutal day of Pax Americana. Their
outrage is centered on the fact these Afghans were in
the first place murdered by Americans. And why?  For
hydrocarbon pipelines? Ringfencing China? Sport?
But,hey, killing them was honorable, right?

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By Non-Compassionate Liberal, January 13, 2012 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

@objective observer:  Going to war for no goddamn good reason doesn’t protect our freedoms, it just makes us targets for the pissed-off relatives of the innocent, dead-and-injured people around the globe.

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By diman, January 13, 2012 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

Half of the Middle East and Central Asia is bombed to shit by the murderous American empire and this particular incident has shocked americans?

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By balkas, January 13, 2012 at 10:17 am Link to this comment

curioso appears that usa govt does not call these people “enemy combatants” or “terrorists”.
why now change of heart/mind? is usa [i still refuse to split usa/its ideology/goal/final solution
into that of any individual, Democratic, Republican, MSMish, christian, talmudic, islamic ones]
now changing the root cause for all it does? or is this a tactical change only? 
yes, folks, ideology remains. resistance in afgh’n also remains and may last for another century
or longer and usa simply noting this and trying to dampen it and dampen also american
resistance to usa wars.
very smart move. but pashtuns not fooled, are they? djihad continues as long as iusa’s strategic
goals are the same regardless of any tactical move by it.
and, folks, we can postulate them—however, never ever know! and usa, i suggest knows this
ie, knows that you’d forever only guess and never know what the elitical final solution entails.

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By objective observer, January 13, 2012 at 9:31 am Link to this comment
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“since they don’t put a stop to it…” - when is the last time a muslim publically called for the end of the actions of his/her “kinsmen” with the beheadings, murder of other muslims, etc?  hypocracy in extremis?

to the rest of the commenters - to hell with you.  you have no problem enjoying the freedom and benefits that our service persons provide, yet have the gall to ridicule.  thanks to Bill Clinton, our military has been reduced to politically correct policemen.  we haven’t fought a war since his “presidency”.  war is ugly, painful and bloody.  if we had fought these last 2 ill-thoughtout wars like war, we would’ve been home in 6 months.  this society has not the stomach or fortitude for conflict.  overcome fire with greater fire.

no armchair commando am i, panama, desert shield/storm and a bunch in between you’ve never heard of.  i’m done with you.

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By race_to_the_bottom, January 13, 2012 at 9:11 am Link to this comment

War crimes for pissing on dead people, but no charges for hosing down a bunch of people with the 20mm gatling gun on an Apache gunship. No war crimes for lying the US into war and killing hundereds of thousands.

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By Non-Compassionate Liberal, January 13, 2012 at 8:42 am Link to this comment

Yeah, and they’ll get punished for this like the Privates, Sergeants, and PFC’s at Abu Ghraib, while the true criminals like Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld and Obama (need I go further?).

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By Leefeller, January 13, 2012 at 8:34 am Link to this comment

It appears Chivalry has lost its luster!

War should be a criminal offense, if there were really a deity he/she/it would make war a no, no, but evidently this is not so, it appears he or she is silent on the matter?
Yeah, those marines are taught to kill or be killed, so this could be constituted as torture if the enemy where still alive or the marines where just relieving themselves after a long bout of first person shooter?

Expecting morals or compassion from the bowls of combat is ludicrous in the least and insane in its entire reality!

Come on…. the USA went to war in Iraq a country which did not even attack the US. They have used torture then denied it was torture and the US has abandoned the Geneva Convention or shoved it up the ass of the rest of world and now people are upset? I suspect many ass holes would approve of this photo, Repulcians vs Democrats, Right vs Left, Conservative vs liberal? Probably the same people who would deny women their rights?

This picture depicts nothing of the ugly realities of combat and war, why do you think they stopped showing the lined up military flag draped coffins!

There appears no right or wrong in death and the institution of war is a clear cut leader in this,.... after all there is lots of money to be made here, this is just capitalism at its finest!

Be outraged about the war not the picture!

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By Paco, January 13, 2012 at 8:33 am Link to this comment
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War Crimes?  Isn’t that some quaint notion from the 1940’s.  Does it still have any relevance today? 

Weren’t aggressive wars, torture, bombing civilians, following illegal orders and the like once considered war crimes? Apparently no longer though.  Only when you get captured on video peeing on a corpse is it a war crime.

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By Dr Bones, January 13, 2012 at 7:55 am Link to this comment
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Now there is a display of extreme radical christian fundamentalism.  The Neocons are likely orgasmic. Time to join the world court America and become civilized.

The torturing was worse than this and Obama gave them a free pass.  So these clowns have nothing to fear.  They will likely get promoted.

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By chris massey lynch, January 13, 2012 at 7:53 am Link to this comment
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HERE IS A LINK to graphic pictures of innocent civilians in AL DOURA. They were stopped and were brutally killed,brains were dragged out,and the body was put on a jeep and driven around.  the soldier who let these photos out ,has committed suicide(he was a witness…   these pictures are graphic,so you have been warned…

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By tim, January 13, 2012 at 7:33 am Link to this comment
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Its OK to kill them but, piss on them, Oh, this is a
war crime? Stupidity!!Plain stupid!! This is my

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By thecrow, January 13, 2012 at 6:14 am Link to this comment

Pentagon flacks are losing their mojo.

Expected something like: “After reviewing the video, it is clear the US combatants depicted were attempting to extinguish burning clothing of enemy wounded so medical attention could be provided in a timely manner. Their resourceful improvisation may well have saved lives.”

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By 3am mystic, January 13, 2012 at 6:12 am Link to this comment

Yes, indeed; horrible, and sick. 

But this is what war does.  Society tells the army, “Go kill as many as you can, and make Americans of the rest of them. But, make it look clean and sporty”. 

As much as I am still against the draft(being in my sixties I can remember the draft well), the volunteer soilder has been drafted into the role of the modern gladiator who is cheered by the rest sitting in front of their televisions; except for the young soilder who had to courage to tell the nation that he is gay…he gets booed.

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By Jahmbi, January 13, 2012 at 4:36 am Link to this comment

You teach a child that his all powerful God needs him to do his dirty work. You hand him a pea shooter and tell him to go kill a lion. The lion bites his head off then marks him. Then you blame the Lion. What the hell were you thinking?
Long live Jahmbi.

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By NZDoug, January 13, 2012 at 3:18 am Link to this comment

Maybe we can make pee post at lamposts where Americans can check their pee mail?

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By Arabian Sinbad, January 13, 2012 at 3:12 am Link to this comment

It seems to me that those fu…n bloody savages are all white trash Americans!

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By Arabian Sinbad, January 13, 2012 at 3:07 am Link to this comment

This is the latest version of American Reality Shows; very popular in American decadent culture!

And those Marines are usually hailed as the pride of America!!! What would they do if they were not?! Another proof that the American military class and their political counterparts are the scum of the earth!

This is not few bad apples! Remember Abu Graib and the savagery and destruction in Iraq and Afghanistan! Remember Guantanamo! Remember Vietnam! Remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Remember the ethnic cleansing of Native Americans and on an on ...!

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By diamond, January 13, 2012 at 12:51 am Link to this comment

You don’t see it (in fact you can’t see much at all in the videos they are showing on the news) but these guys they killed were farmers. They are lying there near their tractors. And who really knows if they are Taliban? We certainly don’t. The US military did the same kinds of things (and much worse) in Vietnam and in Iraq. It’s a bit rich for everyone to start throwing words like ‘deplorable’ and ‘disgusting’ around now. Too late for that. And too late for an ‘investigation’ into whether or not these men were farmers, Taliban or just someone’s version of freedom fighters. Horrible things are still going on in Afghanistan and the only hope for peace is to do a deal with the Taliban, so it seems pretty stupid to be killing farmers you claim are Taliban and then peeing on them. The Taliban say this won’t affect their negotiations with the Americans because the truth is they want the Americans gone by 2014 and they will go on negotiating no matter what.

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By Frank Aloise, January 12, 2012 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment
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Someone please send me those Marines addresses. I’d like to buy them a beer.

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By heterochromatic, January 12, 2012 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment

Hossein_yazdi - ” Either Americans have lost their country and deocracy or they
are blood thirsty nation.”

perhaps you would not agree, but I’m not a believer in secular government and
not much in favor of deocracy.

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By glider, January 12, 2012 at 8:09 pm Link to this comment

“Killing them was OK but peeing on them is totally unacceptable?”

I agree 100%.  This is some kind of warped American/Christian value system.  Glory in war and killing, just do not talk about unclean body parts.  These guys are dead and feel nothing.  BFD, I sure they would feel much better to be alive and would tolerate the bad smell.  The soldiers are cultivated to be Killers for the state, so yeah they end up being aggressive assholes that kill for pleasure.  You want war America.  Well this is precisely what war looks like!

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By they call me the working man, January 12, 2012 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

This reminds me of the scene in Apocalypse Now when Kurtz talks about the pilots who dropped napalm on civilians not being allowed to write fuck on their planes because it would be obscene.

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By robjira, January 12, 2012 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment

An earlier post wondered whether Americans have
either lost their democracy and country, or whether
we are just a bloodthirsty nation. I would say it’s
both; the theft of our democracy and country was
facilitated by our becoming an increasingly
bloodthirsty people. I have had the opportunity of
seeing two generations worth of the US population
subjected to negative cultural conditioning via the
various types of media. This has left us less likely
to question our authorities and more likely to resort
some expression or other of violence instead of
reasoned compromise when it comes to conflict
resolution. Throw in magpie’s bazaar of V12 turbo
diesels, stock options and shiny digital toys, and
you’ve got a population that will be more than easily
convinced to accept even the most overt imperialist
excess. And if attempts by the public to seek
accounting for such excess gets a bit too much
momentum, the same media conditioning is brought to
bear to marginalize and/or trivialize such action by
the public. And this is even before the increasingly
militarized police force is sent in. What is
especially worrying is that, with all the lines of
separation between the citizenry that have been
created through the confluence of negative
conditioning, our terrible behavior in the world (and
with each other), and trying to reconcile that
behavior with the “American ideal,” there is now a
distinct possibility of Civil War II becoming a

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, January 12, 2012 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment
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Not surprising, seeing that the US government uses the rest of the world as a toilet.  Now if the president would only stop pissing on the constitution.

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By John Poole, January 12, 2012 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment
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Killing them was OK but peeing on them is totally unacceptable?  Give them
respect in death but not in life? Strange invasion ethos.

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By mrfreeze, January 12, 2012 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment

Well, when you create unjust wars, send sub-par “volunteers” into those wars and expect that you’ll produce something different than this ugly display…....

Paneta, yet another reason why your budget needs to be cut by 75%.

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By Dennis in MI, January 12, 2012 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment
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We don’t seem to care about anything but corporate/state power and orwellian spin. Geneva Conventions, International law, military law, irrelevant to empire.

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By California Ray, January 12, 2012 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

Hillary and Bill peed on the UN Charter and nobody gripes about that.

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By Robespierre115, January 12, 2012 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

What these barbarians did was horrible, but if anyone should be put on trial for war crimes along with them it should be BUSH, OBAMA, CLINTON, RUMSFELD, CHENEY and a whole long string of names.

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By ACT I, January 12, 2012 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment
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This was a “sick” thing to do, but totally insignificant in comparison with the war crimes committed by Bush, Cheney, Rice, et al.:  Thousands of Americans killed, many more injured, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed/injured.

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By Dr Bones, January 12, 2012 at 11:38 am Link to this comment
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As disgusting as this is, it does not come close to that of dropping predator bombs on innocent children.

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By Hossein_yazdi, January 12, 2012 at 11:21 am Link to this comment
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USA showering the world with their democracy one corps at a time trying to win hearts and minds.
No wonder Americans are so disliked around the world and don’t kid your self even your so called allies don’t like Americans, their citizens any way. Well weather you like it or not it’s being done under your name the, American public. After all you are paying for it with your taxes!! And by voting for the existing government that make the policies that lead to these actions. And please don’t tell me you do not vote or did not vote for this administaration because that is just an old excuse. After all USA is a democratic country and there for the people share the benefits and the guilt. How many pictures and stories have we heard and seen like this in the past 10 years and still here it is again. One would think that Americans like this type of behavour since they have not put a stop to it. After all we are told that in a democratic state people are in power and control of their government. I guess what I am saying is why are Americans allowing this? I know many good americans who would even help their enemy in moment of need out of love and humanity. When I was a child Americans were loved in the middle east. What a change in 10 or 12 years. If one checks the American travel advisory Americans are told to avoid most parts of the world. Either Americans have lost their country and deocracy or they are blood thirsty nation.

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By gerard, January 12, 2012 at 11:09 am Link to this comment

Respect for self and respect for others makes war impossible.

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