Noz:
Well I guess we’ll just have to agree.
“The reason why illegal immigration in this country is so rampant is because the government is letting it happen.” So, so true: except that Arizonans are fed up with the government letting it happen and have done something about it.

What I would have prefered would have been a law that said business licenses would be revoked from any firm that hired illegals. No puny fines or boycotts; but a total ban on the firm operating in Arizona, period. As for individuals hiring illegals to rake the yard or clean the house, a stiff fine and some “community service” would keep most in line. Of course, that would required firms and individuals to ask applicants for their papers, and so they then would be branded Nazis and racists by the victimologists.

Then I’m not sure why you’re even debating the point with me.  I’m not against stopping illegal immigration at all. I want it stopped today and now.

At the same time though, it’s the fault of people who live in the States as well.  The reason why illegal immigration in this country is so rampant is because the government is letting it happen.  It’s that simple.  People in this country want (even if they state that they don’t) cheap labor. 

Anyone who believes for that to not be true, I’d love to hear that argument against my belief there. 

But I’m sick of illegals coming here.  I’m sick of the fact that whatever they touch, where ever they settle turns to shit, looks like crap, and becomes a part of town that everyone wants to avoid.  Why do they have to be that way if they are coming to a country where there are opportunities to better themselves?

Again, I have no problem living in a social system so long as the social part is used properly and we don’t have a bunch of people running around popping out babies so as to get more money from the system.  It’s pathetic.

And again, I don’t think the Arizona law is the right way to go about it but I can fully understand why it happened…people have simply had enough…

Noz:
You’re right again: That’s the way it’s SUPPOSED to work in this country. BUT IT DOESN’T. And that’s the whole point. The protesters are complaining about the fact that Arizona actually wants to untie its own hands when it comes to illegals. Right now the unofficial US policy is “Don’t ask, don’t tell” when it comes to illegals, and Arizona has had enough.

Besides, if I got busted in Mexico or Cuba for a “traffic violation” and got booted out for lack of documentation, how far would my cry of “racism” fly?

RFIDLER:

You don’t make any sense.  If you get busted on the US for spying, having no documentation, or no right to be here, what the hell do you think is going to happen?  You’re going to have a beer and a nice burger with ICE?

You’ll be slammed into jail and then deported like any other country that should do that. So for you bag on other countries makes no sense.  If you’re down in Cuba with no proper documentation and papers and get busted, you deserve to be thrown out or detained.

Nozferatu:
You’re right. I likely wouldn’t get deported from Cuba; I’d get thrown in jail for spying. As for Mexico and Venezuela, their immigration laws are completely rational: If you’re there without the proper documentataion, you’re asked to leave. It’s not fearmongering to point out those things.

Seriously now, what would you expect from Mexican, Cuba or Venezuelan authorities who caught you sneaking into their countries with no ID, no passport, no visa? Is it fearmongering to ask that question? Can you muster the intellectual honesty to answer it?

Guess my trip to the People’s Republic of Los Angeles is going to have to wait a while, not because of their silly boycott of Arizona, but because they have so overspent their budget that they cannot afford to pay their homicide police officers overtime to clean up open murder cases.
Yikes!!!  And these clowns are worrying about Arizona?

RFIDLER:

How can talk about irrationality in thinking and then say those things about the other countries you mentioned?  Getting deported there is as unlikely as well and you’re pandering to the fear-mongering crowd b saying those things…come on now you know better than that.

The final line of the main article above tells me all I need to know about the complete irrationality of the progressive mindset:

LA Councilman Reyes says, “As an American, I cannot go to Arizona today without a passport. If I come across an officer who’s having a bad day and feels that the picture on my ID is not me, I can be … deported, no questions asked. That is not American.”

How can ANY sane person possibly believe that’s true??? That guy’s a total idiot.

Now it definitely would be true if you substituted “Mexico”, or “Venezuela” or “Cuba” for “Arizona”.

Seems it’s almost impossible to support a bad law.
The Crown’s tax of tea was apparently a bad law.
The holding and selling of slaves, ditto.
The organized theft of land from Native Americans and Mexicans, also.
The laws prohibiting sale of alcoholic beverages?
The laws against women voting? Laws in favor of child labor?  Against equal rights for blacks? for gays?  for handicapped people?
The laws against a woman’s right to choose?
Laws in favor of killing people to exploit their resources?  In favor of torture?  Against religions? Against equality and justice for all?  Against poor immigrants struggling to help their families stay alive?  Against ...”

Bad laws don’t work very well and eventually get changed for the better—sometimes at great cost, but hopefully, not always.  May common sense prevail!

I’m personally sick and tired of fitting the bill for illegal aliens.  I don’t know how some of you can sit here and support the actions of illegals.

I am against the Arizona law but come on, this is an issue that has completely gotten out of control.  Someone I know works in the LAUSD school system and the number of students who are illegal immigrants or who are part of a family who are illegal is astronomical.  It’s so out of control that these students, barely 16, 17, 18…when graduating…bring THEIR newborns.  Guess who fits the bill?  Guess who pays for the FREE childcare they get?  Guess who pays for all the expenses incurred from going to school? From getting healthcare? Etc?

I’m all for helping people here in a Socialist way…but this is ridiculous. 

What really angers me is that these same people come to this country…a place where better opportunities exist for them….and they put almost no effort to improve the way they are, how they dress, how they act, how they maintain their neighborhoods.  There is absolutely no excuse for being this way.  Because of it, so many parts of LA look like rundown crap shacks and dilapidated hell-holes.  I’m sorry but if I want to be in Tijuana, I go to Tijuana….not LA.

Again, I’m personally against the law in Arizona but I truly believe it is a result of huge backlash from people because nothing is being done to curb illegal immigration.  People are simply sick and tired of illegals coming here and fucking up whatever they touch.  Just like I did and many others here on these forums who immigrated here, if you want to come here, do it legally.  I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

BRAVO, LA!

Hey—Arizona latino leaders stopped just short of threatening violence when the law was passed. Masked illegals rioted in L.A. and assaulted American protesting illegal immigration. Now L.A. wants to cause Arizona economic hurt despite the fact the majority of voters in Arizona and across America agree with the law. From my personal experience, sooner or later they’ll be looking to hurt you. Racist American latino politicos and their spin machine are what’s driving the wedge and our kneejerk press are their spinmiesters. Of course anyone who is concerned about the illegals problem is a Nazi racist and should just shut up—-or as in L.A. be beaten senseless. I hope Arizona hold the line. To hell with L.A. and its racebaiters.

What’s wrong with Arizona’s law, you ask?
It splits people from people.
Not just Latinos/Mexicans from “Americans” but now city against city, state against state?

Too bad it got started.  it should have been strangled in its cradle.  Bad ideas usually get worse unless some people with cool heads come to the rescue.  Let’s see some cool heads here.

And in the rest of the country, I might add.

Yeah! Screw Arizona. Who cares if 70% of the state likes the law and 65% of the US public likes the law.

Show your solidarity with the illegals: Next time you go to Mexico and a cop asks you for ID, tell him to go fuck off. It’s your gaia-given right to be anonymous.

Awesome, L.A. city council!!

“Los Angeles, a city that owes its existence to immigration…”

As opposed to, say, New York? Montreal? Mexico City?