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Posted on Aug 8, 2011
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There were scenes from a “war zone,” as one pub manager described it to the BBC. It’s the third day of rioting in London since police shot and killed 29-year-old Mark Duggan. Both Prime Minister David Cameron and the city’s mayor have canceled their vacations to return to their burning metropolis.  —PZS

BBC:

Violence has broken out for a third consecutive day in London, with riot police deployed and firefighters tackling blazes across the capital.

Cars were set on fire in Lewisham and a bus and shop were set ablaze in Peckham. A large furniture shop in Croydon is also well alight.

In Hackney, police sealed off an area after police car windows were smashed.

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By zonth_zonth, August 12, 2011 at 11:25 pm Link to this comment

cant agree with you more Lew.  These chicken hearted NPR pussies whom have never run traffic with the salt of the earth often like to pontificate about how the degenerates should be treated.  Indeed it brings credibility to their ivory tower vocations in society.

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By Lew Ciefer, August 11, 2011 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

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By Project Mayhem, August 10 at 8:10 pm

Your numbers are ridiculously inflated, but even so let’s consider the reason why “Marxist ideology” got a foothold in so many countries to begin with. With the exception of Russia, every single country that “succumbed” to communism endured lengthy, harsh, often brutally repressive colonial rule.

Actually the number is low. Estimates run to 150 million. I used the lower value. 

You need to lay aside that ‘Commie History Is Us’ book and study from qualified sources. Many of those countries that made up the U.S.S.R. never were colonies and many were incorporated into it by force. And those that attempted to flee communist utopias were quickly and harshly dealt with. Even individuals were murdered and incarcerated in Gulags for attempting to flee. How old are you? 10?

By Project Mayhem, August 10 at 8:10 pm

Without exception, the colonizers were driven by free market imperatives. How many millions upon millions died for the profit margins of historical abortions like the Dutch East India Company and the governments that enabled them? But nevermind all that, Lew, you just keep sucking your thumb and blaming all them brown-skinned savages who probably just thought Marxism was all about “entitlements” and sitting on your ass all day long. Right?

The Dutch East India Company? Is this your defense?

It’s always about profits (wealth). It doesn’t matter what the name or type of economic system. Nations and empires are always trying to expand because they want to increase access to resources. What’s more expansionist than communism? Nothing! In the U.S.S.R. Moscow was the main recipient of all the resources and the wealth. Why the hell do you think they broke away the first chance they had? Communism ends in Socialist world domination with an enlightened class ruling over a dependent humanity. That’s not empowerment that dependence. The same kind of dependence that slaves experience ... Stepin Fetchits pleasing da Massa.

I don’t blame all those brown-skinned savages. I blame the White enablers ... their Masters. This is what happens when equality under the law is cast aside in favor of Orwell’s animal farm where all animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

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By Lew Ciefer, August 11, 2011 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment

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By Project Mayhem, August 10 at 8:10 pm

You people are generally only good for parroting the party line, and you’re definitely no exception. Nice job here with a racist, willful misrepresentation of the underlying causes for the riots. I won’t deny there are a lot of violent, maladjusted, and opportunistic people involved in them, but the riots are a pretty far cry from baby throwing a tantrum when he loses his pacifier. These kinds of gleeful, assinine simplifications ignore the pressing social inequity and injustice that were the catalyst for the riots (i.e. a 29-y-o father of four murdered by cops, rampant unemployment, pervasive hopelessness).

You people? Ha, ha, ha. Can’t ‘you people’ come up with anything new? Racism is so Depeche Mode. I don’t fear your label. And as a member of the most persecuted minority in the world—White people—I feel very offended and my sensitivities are wounded by your malicious comments and charges. I demand that you apologize at least four or five times so that my feelings and sensitivities might be assuaged.

Oh bull excrement. Protesting police brutality, injustice and unemployment doesn’t require burning down your own neighborhood. It doesn’t require destroying local-owned businesses—especially businesses owned primarily by those of your own ethnicity. It doesn’t require the violence and looting that we see. What we see are the acts of dole-sucking vandals who envy others, who wouldn’t know how to produce anything worthwhile even if they were possessed of a rare moment and thought that they might want to. What we see are the violent actions—not reactions—of lawless mendicants who have been brainwashed by incompetent social workers into believing that they are entitled, that life and others owe them.

By Project Mayhem, August 10 at 8:10 pm

As opposed to the blameless bastions of capitalist “democracies”? What a joke.

No one but you in your straw man fallacy used ‘blameless.’ No country, society, civilization is blameless. But they aren’t equal either. Just as some makes and models of autos are superior to others so are cultures, societies, morals etc. And Western libertarian societies are the cream of what humanity has been able to construct.

In the U.S. the poor are obese. They have X-boxes and wide screen T.V.s. 46% of U.S. ‘poor’ own their own homes and 76% live in air conditioned homes. In the U.S. the average ‘poor’ has more living space than the average—as in not poor—Parisian or Londoner. 70% of poor households own a car and 30% own two. 33% of poor homes have dishwashers.

Contrast that with North Korea where they eat tree bark and grass. In Red China they have to steal the technology of other nations because communism is not conducive to innovation. Their stealth fighter was copied from the Russians and their first ever aircraft carrier that the press is touting is based on U.S. WWII era carriers. Vietnam welcomes Nike and has asked U.S. help in dealing with its traditional enemy China.

Profits (wealth) mean survival! They mean higher standards of living for everyone. Including those deadbeats in the street who live off the sweat of the working class. Where’s the justice in that? Isn’t that slavery? Doesn’t a slave work for the benefit of another? I don’t see you whining about that. Unlike you, and those of your ilk, most humans don’t feel guilty about success. They desire success and the privileges and comforts success provides. Profits aren’t evil; humans are.

The joke is that you remain as ignorant as you are in face of all the evidence. But that’s religion; it is based on faith not fact or reason.

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By Lew Ciefer, August 11, 2011 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment

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By Project Mayhem, August 10 at 8:10 pm

While your capitalist buddies in their “ivory towers” (you sure that’s what you meant?) are doing a fine job of taking all of those to pieces now, fact remains they were a result of a whole lot of civil disobedience and Marxist-inspired hullaballoo.

Huh? I have no idea what you’re trying to say.

The Ruling Elite live in the Ivory Towers where they look down upon the mass of humanity. Those buffoons in the streets destroying their own neighborhoods and locally-owned businesses haven’t touched anything that will affect the super-wealthy Ruling Class and their wealth. How do I know? Because the minute their wealth is affected the military will be called in to protect their property and they don’t give a rat’s behind how many insignificant deadbeats have to be neutralized to do it.

How did Rockefeller restore order? The National Guard. Lawlessness plays into the hands of the Ruling Elite because the productive part of society will demand law and order and they will surrender any rights necessary to obtain it. Then, like Lenin and Stalin, authorities will Gulag the useful idiots and exterminate them.

By Project Mayhem, August 10 at 8:10 pm

Speaking of impressive, so was your infantile little tantrum. Try addressing the statement, instead of just vomiting up a tired old caricature of the man who made it. And you call others poltroons?

I didn’t throw a tantrum. I rolled on the floor laughing because you used that fat-headed mooch as a reliable source when even communists have realized that his economic theories work as well as he did. And Marx abhorred work. If it weren’t true you would have come back with a helluva lot more than this malarkey.

Here’s your statement: “Unfettered capitalism, as Marx understood, is an inherently violent, revolutionary force that consumes and ultimately destroys everything it comes into contact with—as we’ve seen ample evidence of for two generations now..”

He misunderstood it. First of all capitalism is a misnomer. No one can do anything without the investment of capital. Even a morning constitutional requires an investment of energy (capital) getting out of bed, walking to the toilet, exerting a little effort, practice good hygiene, and flushing of the toilet. (Don’t forget to wash your hands.) That means that even the State—your god—has to invest capital to accomplish its goals. The only Communist/Socialist government that has not made adjustments toward free market economics is North Korea where many are eating grass and tree bark trying to survive. Marxism is a complete and utter failure.

“There is no doubt that in the organization of our economy we have erred on the side of idealism and sometimes even ignored the reality of the objective economic laws we should comply with.” -Fidel Castro

Opps!

Second, we have not seen ‘unfettered capitalism.’ What we are living is human beings manipulating economic and governmental institutions and laws for their benefit with impunity. That’s ‘unfettered cronyism.’ We are living in a time when incompetent social-workers, posing as Statesmen, are working in concert with a super-wealthy Ruling Elite (of whom many in politics are a member) attempting to reconcile neo-Marxist class warfare (multiculturalism and political correctness), a limited redistribution of wealth that excludes the wealth of certain ‘Enlightened’ and corporate elements, with a predominately mercantilist market system. It is an increasingly oppressive totalitarian system with variants of both totalitarian extremes popularly known as Communism and Fascism.

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By Lew Ciefer, August 11, 2011 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

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By Project Mayhem, August 10 at 8:10 pm

Nice bit of mindless spew. Really worked yourself into a frenzy on that one, hey? Well, good job—another pathetic stream of ad hominems, straw men, and non-sequitors. Typical righty froth and rabidity. Not really worth the effort of responding to, but I’ll humor you this once.

I never work myself into frenzy over apes acting like apes and exposing the delusions of individuals like you.

It’s not ad hominem when it’s true and there were no straw man arguments nor non seguiturs.

Try to expand beyond the normal Lefty labeling as I’m neither righty nor lefty. I’d recommend that you attempt to invent more colorful and original ad hominem but one of the first requirements of Marxist/Socialist true believers or as your god Lenin so eloquently put it, useful idiots, is to surrender reason to faith in the palpably not true. This is a common denominator among all religious systems. 

By Project Mayhem, August 10 at 8:10 pm

If, in fact, you actually did live through the 60s, you probably understood phenomena like Watts in the same way you seem to understand the London riots (i.e. A bunch of uppity coloreds wanting a bigger piece of the pie than they deserve!). It’s good to see how far you’ve come in the past 40 years, Lew. But, yeah, Civil Rights, the protest of an illegal war of aggression, and the raising of consciousness that paved the way for OSHA, the EPA, and consumer protection legislation was all so much bullshit, right? While your capitalist buddies in their “ivory towers” (you sure that’s what you meant?) are doing a fine job of taking all of those to pieces now, fact remains they were a result of a whole lot of civil disobedience and Marxist-inspired hullaballoo.

Not only do I remember the Watts riots I also remember the riots in New York a year earlier. Both, by the way, took place AFTER the signing of the Civil Rights bill, didn’t they? Interesting that. The New York riots were over a police shooting and the Watts riots over a drunken driving arrest and having the car impounded.

Isn’t it odd that two of the most memorable violent riots of those times took place in what are arguably the most Lefty-liberal states in the union?

It’s been a while so pardon me if I don’t remember too clearly all the details. I remember being with two or three other guys and we were laughing while watching the riots on the T.V. We were laughing because they were—just like the anarchic mendicants in North London—destroying their own neighborhoods and destroying the businesses of local black businessmen. DUH! All this because a police officer had a drunk’s car impounded rather than allow a relative to drive it home. What are the odds that Whites in my neighborhood would burn it down because I was driving while intoxicated and had my car impounded? Most Whites I know would tell me that I deserved it and much more.

Oh… I reviewed photos yesterday of those shop owners who began to fight back and were attempting to protect their property and noticed something very noteworthy. Seems that the shop owners of all those businesses being ransacked by those mendicants were Asian immigrants; as in not evil White men.

OSHA and EPA? Wasn’t the EPA created by that right-wing, vehemently anti-commie, Richard M. Nixon? What has any of those agencies got to do with a bunch of deadbeats in London who not only don’t work but wouldn’t know how to survive a day without that government teat to suck on?

How does that work? How does dependence equate to empowerment in the delusional world of Marxism/Socialism? And if one is, as almost all of those deadbeats are, living off the public dole, how is it that one is not already empowered?

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By Project Mayhem, August 10, 2011 at 8:10 pm Link to this comment

Lew,

Nice bit of mindless spew. Really worked yourself into a frenzy on that one, hey? Well, good job—another pathetic stream of ad hominems, straw men, and non-sequitors. Typical righty froth and rabidity. Not really worth the effort of responding to, but I’ll humor you this once.

“I mean, it’s not like I’ve seen rioting or lawlessness before having lived through the 60s. And when one considers all the great changes the last bunch of Marxist/Socialist idiots brought to the world.”

If, in fact, you actually did live through the 60s, you probably understood phenomena like Watts in the same way you seem to understand the London riots (i.e. A bunch of uppity coloreds wanting a bigger piece of the pie than they deserve!). It’s good to see how far you’ve come in the past 40 years, Lew. But, yeah, Civil Rights, the protest of an illegal war of aggression, and the raising of consciousness that paved the way for OSHA, the EPA, and consumer protection legislation was all so much bullshit, right? While your capitalist buddies in their “ivory towers” (you sure that’s what you meant?) are doing a fine job of taking all of those to pieces now, fact remains they were a result of a whole lot of civil disobedience and Marxist-inspired hullaballoo.

“Bwaaaaaa! Oh, Marx said it so it must be true. A fat-headed, shameless, mendicant who hardly worked a day in his life; yeah that’s an impressive résumé if ever there was one.”

Speaking of impressive, so was your infantile little tantrum. Try addressing the statement, instead of just vomiting up a tired old caricature of the man who made it. And you call others poltroons? 

“What they’re doing is nothing but venting because their sense of entitlement—drilled into them by White Socialist enablers for decades—has been offended.”

You people are generally only good for parroting the party line, and you’re definitely no exception. Nice job here with a racist, willful misrepresentation of the underlying causes for the riots. I won’t deny there are a lot of violent, maladjusted, and opportunistic people involved in them, but the riots are a pretty far cry from baby throwing a tantrum when he loses his pacifier. These kinds of gleeful, assinine simplifications ignore the pressing social inequity and injustice that were the catalyst for the riots (i.e. a 29-y-o father of four murdered by cops, rampant unemployment, pervasive hopelessness).

“Why dig deep when you can ignore the fact that Marxist ideology has cost over 110 million lives and indescribable horror and suffering to many hundreds of millions more in about 75 years; dwarfing by comparison the infamous accomplishments of Hitler and his Nationalist Socialists.”

As opposed to the blameless bastions of capitalist “democracies”? What a joke. Your numbers are ridiculously inflated, but even so let’s consider the reason why “Marxist ideology” got a foothold in so many countries to begin with. With the exception of Russia, every single country that “succumbed” to communism endured lengthy, harsh, often brutally repressive colonial rule. Without exception, the colonizers were driven by free market imperatives. How many millions upon millions died for the profit margins of historical abortions like the Dutch East India Company and the governments that enabled them? But nevermind all that, Lew, you just keep sucking your thumb and blaming all them brown-skinned savages who probably just thought Marxism was all about “entitlements” and sitting on your ass all day long. Right?

Well, you take care, Lew. Like I said, I’m not wasting any more time with you and yours. You’ve always been part of the problem and I’ve got no doubt you’ll always remain so.

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By Project Mayhem, August 10, 2011 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment

Lew,

Nice bit of mindless spew. Really worked yourself into a frenzy on that one, hey? Well, good job—another pathetic stream of ad hominems, straw men, and non-sequitors. Typical righty froth and rabidity. Not really worth the effort of responding to, but I’ll humor you this once.

“I mean, it’s not like I’ve seen rioting or lawlessness before having lived through the 60s. And when one considers all the great changes the last bunch of Marxist/Socialist idiots brought to the world.”

If, in fact, you actually did live through the 60s, you probably understood those riots in the same way you seem to understand the London riots (i.e. A bunch of uppity coloreds wanting a bigger piece of the pie than they deserve!). It’s good to see how far you’ve come in the past 40 years, Lew. But, yeah, Civil Rights, the protest of an illegal war of aggression, and the raising of consciousness for such things as OSHA, the EPA, and consumer protection legislation was all so much bullshit, right? While your capitalist buddies in their “ivory towers” (you sure that’s what you meant?) are doing a fine job of taking all those to pieces, fact remains they were a result of a whole lot of civil disobedience and Marxist-inspired hullaballoo.

“Bwaaaaaa! Oh, Marx said it so it must be true. A fat-headed, shameless, mendicant who hardly worked a day in his life; yeah that’s an impressive résumé if ever there was one.”

Speaking of impressive, so was this infantile little tantrum. Try addressing the statement, instead of just vomiting up a tired old caricature of the man who made it. And you call others poltroons? 

“What they’re doing is nothing but venting because their sense of entitlement—drilled into them by White Socialist enablers for decades—has been offended.”

You people are generally only good for spewing the party line, and you’re definitely no exception. You good a job here with a racist, willful misrepresentation of the underlying causes for the riots. I don’t deny there aren’t a lot of violent, maladjusted, and opportunistic people involved in them, but the riots are a pretty far cry from baby throwing a tantrum when he loses his pacifier. These kinds of gleeful, assinine simplifications ignore the pressing social inequity and injustice that were the catalyst for the riots (i.e. a 29-y-o father of four murdered by cops, rampant unemployment, pervasive hopelessness).

“Why dig deep when you can ignore the fact that Marxist ideology has cost over 110 million lives and indescribable horror and suffering to many hundreds of millions more in about 75 years; dwarfing by comparison the infamous accomplishments of Hitler and his Nationalist Socialists.”

As opposed to the blameless bastions of capitalist “democracies”? Your numbers are ridiculously inflated, but even so let’s consider the reason why “Marxist ideology” got a foothold in so many countries to begin with. With the exception of Russia, every single country that “succumbed” to communism endured lengthy, harsh, often brutally repressive colonial rule. Without exception, the colonizers were driven by free market imperatives. How many millions upon millions died for the profit margin of historical abortions like the Dutch East India Company and the governments that enabled them? But nevermind all that, Lew, you just keep sucking your thumb and blaming all them brown-skinned savages who probably just thought Marxism was all about “entitlements” and sitting on your ass all day long. Right.

Well, you take care, Lew. Like I said, I’m not wasting any more time with you and yours. You’ve always been part of the problem and I’ve got no doubt you always will be.

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By Project Mayhem, August 10 at 4:19 am

Lew Ciefer, I’m afraid you’re the idiot here, not the rioters you single out for blame.

Well of course, how stupid of me. I mean, it’s not like I’ve seen rioting or lawlessness before having lived through the 60s. And when one considers all the great changes the last bunch of Marxist/Socialist idiots brought to the world. Oh… if you want to get an idea of what that last bunch of poltroons have matured into you don’t have to look far. They’re the ones starting and funding all the wars you see taking place and running the Corporations you and your ilk so despise.

By Project Mayhem, August 10 at 4:19 am

Unfettered capitalism, as Marx understood, is an inherently violent, revolutionary force that consumes and ultimately destroys everything it comes into contact with—as we’ve seen ample evidence of for two generations now…

Bwaaaaaa! Oh, Marx said it so it must be true. A fat-headed, shameless, mendicant who hardly worked a day in his life; yeah that’s an impressive résumé if ever there was one.

Here’s some advice for you, it isn’t Marxist but it is worthy ... you don’t defecate where you eat.

What they’re doing is nothing but venting because their sense of entitlement—drilled into them by White Socialist enablers for decades—has been offended. The undefined ‘rich’ don’t even live in those neighborhoods. They’re robbing fellow citizens from the same neighborhood; they’re making them strip in the streets. That’s some fine revolution you’ve got there. The ‘rich’—the really wealthy who own and run the corporations that produce everything you need to survive—are sitting in their guarded Ivory Towers laughing at those idiots. They own the insurance companies that will raise the rates on those who have to have insurance and who will in turn pass those costs on to those idiots burning down their own neighborhoods. Food cost will go up because any grocer or super-market returning to the area will have increase costs for security and insurance or if the businesses decide not to return the idiots will have to travel further to be able to purchase goods. Yeah, you’re so empowered!  You’re really showing that undefined rich. What a bunch of fools, what idiots.

By Project Mayhem, August 10 at 4:19 am

But, hey, why dig deep when we can just pile on the “Welfare State” and a bunch of ragged-looking kids? Especially when so many of them are dark-skinned “immigrants”, right? Please. What a farce.

Yes, why indeed. Why dig deep when you can ignore the fact that Marxist ideology has cost over 110 million lives and indescribable horror and suffering to many hundreds of millions more in about 75 years; dwarfing by comparison the infamous accomplishments of Hitler and his Nationalist Socialists.

When it comes to ignorant and dangerous fundamentalist extremists there is no religious sect that has more dangerous and more ignorant believers than the Marxist/Socialist Church—The State as God.

You fools are playing right into their hands.

An immigrant can always say he/she is not going to take it anymore and return from whence they came and WORK to build a nation reflecting their ideals ... any bets that’s one thought that will never be entertained by those feral freeloading riffraff?

Do you think that’s what the world needs? A bunch of no-talented loser deadbeats running things? Isn’t one Somalia enough? That rubbish couldn’t make a pimple on a proud hard-working man’s arse. Individuals with pride don’t make a career of sucking government teat.

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By Project Mayhem, August 10, 2011 at 4:19 am Link to this comment

Arabian Sinbad has it right. These are neoliberal chickens coming home to roost, and it certainly won’t be the last flock.

Lew Ciefer, I’m afraid you’re the idiot here, not the rioters you single out for blame. Unfettered capitalism, as Marx understood, is an inherently violent, revolutionary force that consumes and ultimately destroys everything it comes into contact with—as we’ve seen ample evidence of for two generations now. The decimation of England’s industrial and manufacturing base WAS the decimation of its once-proud working class, and the riots are an organic expression of this collective emasculation.

But, hey, why dig deep when we can just pile on the “Welfare State” and a bunch of ragged-looking kids? Especially when so many of them are dark-skinned “immigrants”, right? Please. What a farce.

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By Lew Ciefer, August 9, 2011 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment

The Welfare State; idiots destroying their own neighborhoods. Marx’s lumpenproletariat on action. What fools.

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By gerard, August 9, 2011 at 9:38 am Link to this comment

Leave it to the suave Guardian to phrase the reason for the riots:  “Lack of consumerist fulfillment.”

I’m wondering whether that just might be the world’s most ubiquitous problem in a euphemistic nutshell—viz. Somalia, much of Africa, most of India, Haiti, large swaths of the “Third World” in general, and a good deal of Mexico, Central and South America, as well as the slums of big American cities.

Wall Street, Washington, what do you think?  Time to self-correct?

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By GordJ, August 9, 2011 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

Finding meaningful employment for young men is the challenge for the world. You cannot have all that raging testosterone with no place to go. There is an old theory that if you have large numbers of unemployed males, you’re heading for a war…never mind a riot.

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By Dave L., August 9, 2011 at 8:54 am Link to this comment

In addition to the police slaying there is video circulating of a mob of policemen beating a 16 yr old girl for throwing a rock. this incident appears to have added fule to the already enraged rioters who have got to be fed up with living in the total police state of england.

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By Arabian Sinbad, August 8, 2011 at 8:39 pm Link to this comment

Is this a case of chickens coming home to roost?!

Or is it Nemesis, the Goddess of retribution, exacting a price from systems that committed many injustices during a long period of its history. 

The historical evils, violence, wars and destruction caused by Colonial Britain, in the neighborhood and abroad are too numerous for a small space like this.

It is just fair that London, as the center of the evil Colonial Britain, where much evil originated have to have a taste of its own bitter medicine.

I have no sympathy for the British political-military complex centered in London; let the rioters burn the grounds under the feet of the evil system! And let a more decent, moral system emerge from the ashes!

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By grokker, August 8, 2011 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment

Now I understand they are about to declare martial law in London. Sadly, here’s where we see brainwashed, trained killers firing on their fellow citizens not realizing that they are propping up the financial terrorists that are destroying the economies of the world. It’s only a matter of time until we see this in America—all those fresh faced tax dollar supported killers lurking in our neighborhoods. Ghoulish indeed!

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