The trick to making Keynesian economics work is to spend money in the proper area to spur the economy.

Part 1(madness)

Apparently there are some huge numbers that act as
bookends or even corners of a square which are
dictating the decisions, or should I say indecisions, 
of our so called “best & powerful”. I suspect we have
been long past a people’s world and live just about
completely in a world of enormous number crunching,
and/or a world where enormous numbers are crunching
countless people.

Hey, another result of fair and just domestically
and/or sovereignty bound regulatory regimes is that
the people of poor and underdeveloped economies have
a good chance of becoming a new consumer base, a base
especially needed to counter balance or absorb
bubbles of debt that have run amok through overheated
economies and/or unbound greed. The investment in
future pools of people, who can afford to pursue a
better quality of life, is a direct reflection of
wealthy nations that have prospered while they had in
place and enforced good and strong financial
regulation and consumer protection policies.

It seems to me, that the argument is now hollow, you
know the one, either shrink government to get a
bigger private sector, expand democracy, enrich the
rich?, or have government spend to create employment
thus income\revenue, resuscitate the middle class. A
now hollow because what is missing from our well
intended suggestion to spend to dig us out, well,
what is missing is the knowledge, or acknowledgment,
that out predicament is a double whammy, but is being
considered or treated as a single whammy. The double
whammy part, the other whammy, being ignored, is that
what led us to this disaster being “unrecoverable”, a
state of now and future looming disaster, well, is
that no investment was made, globally, to sow the
seeds to grow a new crop of well intending and
motivated consumers.

Rhuen Phreed
231 Park Drive, #40
Boston, MA

Part 2(more madness)

I fall on the side of a “better deal” policy should
have been pursued, for huge government spending to
rebuild the country and put people to work, rather
than bank bailouts,,,but you know, unless a few
billion martian consumers fall out of the sky soon,
to fill the vacuum of not having created a new supply
of willing and able consumers over the last 20 years,
a new supply of consumers with the ability to pursue
quality of life changes for themselves, new consumers
that should have come from the weaker economies being
mentored and encouraged sufficiently,, financed
properly and not fleeced completely, well, since this
group never manifested, just were never given the
opportunity,,,, well, I am afraid that even a “better
deal”, one even twice the size of the (old)”new deal
was implemented now, it would still be too much of a
burden for even the desperate, fully employed,
American workforce, working at 200% of its’ capacity.
(that was the end of my sensible side)

The enormous numbers, that us lay people are not
allowed to see or put into the proper prospective,
well, those numbers coupled with the problem that
President Obama and the Republicans(and other
insiders) know that the circumstances are just too
big to be remedied with the same political and
economic systems of the near and far past, well, our
insufficient knowledge and/or understanding of the
scope of current economic causes/conditions, the big
numbers, well,  combined with the hopeless and
hapless leadership, well,  fosters this general
state of madness we all are experiencing. We are not
mad, it is just that our leaders gave up some time
ago, and are doing something we just can’t make sense
of yet, since it has nothing to do with us anymore.
Our political and corporate leaders gave up a long
time ago, 3-4 years ago,  trying to convince us that
the devices and intentions that got us into this mess
would be the same ones to get us out. 

You see, the powers seem to be trying to redirect
this juggernaut of world wide calamity, the madness
in all this, this mind bending farce of inequity.
They appear to be intent on reshaping the world
culture by having it be accepted, that a multi-
generational genocide be part of the economic
equation/recovery. That the imposition of egregiously
inhumane economic measures be applied and become a
newly acceptable theory of economic and financial
calculation. They are kidding us you know.

Rhuen Phreed
231 Park Drive, #40
Boston, MA

Part 3(further madness)

This will be a long and dramatic culling, the quality
of life for whole populations of people considered to
be of high diminishing returns, groups of people
treated as if but a number in some cold mathematical
calculation. Well, this unnecessary sacrifice is
inevitable if we allow any further postponement of
social and economic justice as a direct and
appropriate consequence of this disaster. We must
insist that social and economic justice, now, is the
best and only possible response to real/obvious
political and economic systemic failure. 

When there is no way out of something, there is the
option of using it to some nefarious advantage, I
mean what the heck, in this case, this no way out
situation for our political and corporate leaders is
forcing them to take the option to enhance their
power and prestige. The bow is going to break, they
are just bending it in their direction.

Rhuen Phreed
231 Park Drive, #40
Boston, MA

Part 4(further madness)

Unless we stop this system in its tracks, take away
cruel options of a no way out circumstance, and begin
to be satisfied with reordering institutions along
humane lines, be satisfied with implementing radical
determents to personal and institutional greed/
selfishness, get off the notion that there is a
comfortable and balanced way out of this, that we
just take the hit on our terms and not according to
our so called leader’s now opportunistic intentions,
well, unless we can do those things we are headed for
worldwide fascism. A very efficient and well funded
fascism, led by the misguided pride and greed of our
political and corporate leaders who refuse to admit
they failed us, and now must step down, step far
aside, and cease trying to curve their embarrassment
into a global predator, that sustains itself by
devouring itself, and we along with it,  feeding on
itself and us only to stay alive long enough for us
to forget or be adequately marginalized, or just
plain dead.  They prefer enough time to pass and
enough generations fall into dust, so that even
history has forgotten or has been rewritten to
accommodate a folly made fortune. So that those
victimized by their gruesome mishaps of poor
leadership and thinking, would forget what happened
and why it happened, blame themselves completely, and
of course forget who exactly was responsible for the
carnage.

The grief that our generation and the next will
experience as a result of a prolonged, topsy-turvy,
attempt to quash the reality of misguided political
and economic policies, well, this grief, should not
be accepted, and the intention to impose it on us
considered diabolic, resisted with all our hearts,
and be forever, unforgivable. 

We have a finite world which uses an economic model
that assumes infinite resources and an endless
capacity of people to suffer. The default position
for those who seem to be managing the mess of the
world as it is now, is that the ruse of the infinite
financial or economic model in a finite and very
limited world, full of beings who are by nature
sensitive, and thus suffer, well the default position
of these egomaniacs is that the ruse has generations
yet before it is uncovered for what it is and what it
does, what it has caused.

Right now the ruse is active and obvious, that is why
a normal person cannot make heads or tales of the
reactions of the rich and powerful. They are
temporarily naked to their mutual ruse. Normally the
consequence of this ruse is so far off, at such an
inexhaustible distant in time,  that most people
cannot sense the ruse’s momentum and cannot even
imagine that such anti-earth, anti-people strategies
or policies are actually being pursued.

I do not think the architects of the grand ruse, the
fleecing of mankind and the earth’s resources thought
they could actually leverage the global economy so
far out in its’ future. Insurmountable and endless
debt or leverage is the revealer here, I suppose we
can thank the secret and unregulated world of
derivative trading, and other creative financial
ponzi schemes. I suppose to exhaust the world by
having it live to pay for debt that is incalculable,
beyond repayment, and beyond all reason to have in
the first place, well, is a means to cause the same
effect,  as to have all the world’s resources used
up, completely depleted,, and make desperate the
entire planet’s population.

This has been a rare opportunity to see the ruse
exposed, active and at work, it is truly sick as
hell.

Good luck to us all,,, I might write a book, “when
atlas shit all over us”.

Rhuen Phreed
231 Park Drive, #40
Boston, MA

Unfortunately, the world is not really a financial test tube - no pure examples.

Historians have traditionally used FDR’s belated approach as an example (he started Keynsian, changed mid-stream, and came back to Keynsian later).  WWII forced a lot of government spending that surely would not have been done otherwise. 

We certainly have examples of the failed trickle-down supply-side approach.  Hoover’s approach was armageddon/catastrophe.  W’s is the Afghani Water Torture method.  Reagan’s era had mixed results especially since he, ironically, raised taxes as well as cutting them (not a purist).  We are still waiting for even a trickle to arrive at the bottom. Al Gore actually did a lot of government streamlining behind the scenes as VP.

And, by the way, where are all those jobs that the “Job Creators” aka wealthy-above-500K-a-year types were supposedly going to generate if we a. passed the W tax cuts, and b. extended the W tax cuts
????

As the King of Siam would say “Is a puzzlement.”

I’m really not an economic expert (heck, even the economic experts aren’t
economic experts) but I don’t know of any real life examples where Keynes’
policies have truly worked out.  Also, there was a whole lot of initial pain, but
seems to me that cutting government spending and privatizing sure seemed to
help out Chile, India, and Russia in the long run (all relatively of course).  Not so
much with Mexico.
Can anyone with solid economic knowledge help me out with some examples for
or against Keynes and government stimulus?  Thanks.