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Keith Olbermann Leaves MSNBC

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Friday evening’s edition of “Countdown with Keith Olbermann” turned out to be the bombastic host’s last broadcast, as Olbermann announced on his show that he was leaving MSNBC effective that same day.

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MSNBC and Keith Olbermann have ended their contract,” the network said in an announcement on Friday, but did not elaborate on a reason. Near the end of his show, Olbermann announced that his appearance would be his last.

There was immediate speculation that the top-rated Olbermann’s departure was connected to the pending takeover of NBC Universal by Comcast Corp. But MSNBC insiders strongly denied that speculation, asserting that Comcast execs had “nothing to do” with Olbermann’s departure and were informed of the decision on Tuesday after the FCC and Justice Department gave the regulatory approval to the merger of Comcast and NBC U. Discussions between Olbermann and MSNBC brass had been going on for some time, even though the anchor had at least two years to go on his existing contract.

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By OzarkMichael, February 1, 2011 at 10:31 pm Link to this comment

You, Martha/Thomas, brought up Congresswoman Giffords. ... and I quote: “Congresswoman Giffords and a bunch of her constituents were gunned down in Arizona by members of Tea Party Right-Wing militants.

Thats a whopper. Even for you Martha/Thomas! Please explain why you brought Congresswoman Giffords it up at all. Like a ghoul you reveled in your fantasy accusations. Why would you revel in fantasy accusations about something so sad?

I will give the reader what I have discovered so far: It turns out that Jared Loughner and Martha/Thomas are fellow travellers. They share the same conspiracy theories, the same hatreds, and Martha/Thomas published violent rhetoric that possibly inspired Jared Loughner to do the actual violence. If you have a question i can provide quotes and more detail.

Martha has no questions, no comments, no details, no answers. She cannot challenge what i have said so far. She will make her whacky accusations against me personally but that is a smokescreen.

People doing internet searches to investigate the record will be smart enough to figure it out.

Martha/Thomas has violent visions of punishment for her political opponents: “shooting them till they no longer wiggle” That is a quote. She never apologized for it. Even after the national tragedy in Tucson.

Here are some questions Martha/Thomas wont answer: After her violent talk, did Martha/Thomas make a hit list of conservative people and publish them on the internet? If so, Martha/Thomas put real people in the crosshairs.

After threatening “high velocity”... “blows to the head” and “brain damage” to moderates did Martha/Thomas publish a list of moderates who sometimes voted with the conservatives? Democrats who Martha/Thomas got really mad at. Mad enough to use veiled threats against. The proof is in previous posts, ask if you need help finding it.

But did Martha/Thomas target individual moderates? Is there a list somewhere on the internet?

Martha/Thomas. Answer the question. People are going to want to know.

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By ThomasG, February 1, 2011 at 12:31 pm Link to this comment

There A Hitler/OzarkMichael goes again, and again, and again using Transfer Propaganda to accuse others of what both he and his Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMIST Republican Movement have been doing from the time of Nixon through Goldwater, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, and continue to do at the present time; A Hitler/OzarkMichael’s types of propaganda were effective in the past to create a “false sense of advantage” for the Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMIST Republican Movement that enabled the Gingrich Revolution and bankrupted the United States as a nation with trillions of dollars of debt from Borrow and Spend Governance; A Hitler/OzarkMichael’s types of propaganda were the effective cause of financialization of the U.S. Economy that led to the collapse of the U.S. Economy in September 2008, as a result of toxic capital, when the Right-Wing’s financial credit bubble collapsed; and, A Hitler/OzarkMichael’s types of propaganda will continue to rape and pillage the population of the United States for the private profit of elite private capitalist interests, if his types of propagandistic behavior is allowed to continue; it is your choice to allow this type of propagandistic behavior to continue or to reject its continuation, as was the case with Adolph Hitler and the Conservative Right-Wing FASCIST EXTREMISTS that infested Germany in the same way that Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMIST Republicans are infesting the United States today.

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By MarthaA, February 1, 2011 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

All A Hitler/OzarkMichael can spout is amorphous subjective incitefully emotional propaganda nonsense because he feels people on Truthdig are too foolish to see through his amorphous subjective incitefully emotional propaganda nonsense like FOX News’ Network of Rupert Murdoch’s conservative propaganda leaders like Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, and the rest of the subjective amorphous Hitleresque propaganda ilk of the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMISTS that are about leading the majority common population against their best interest.

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By OzarkMichael, February 1, 2011 at 9:53 am Link to this comment

Martha/Thomas knows what Zeitgeist is. She loves it. She says that if everyone was influenced by it, the world would become just what she wants it to be.  Martha/Thomas hates Capitalism and she thinks that if everyone believed in her financial conspiracy the world would become just as she wants it to be.

Martha/Thomas imagines what the new world will do. It would be a place where people would be taken out and shot because they disagree with her today. Images of maximum velocity strikes in the head resulting in severe brain damage have been thrown at political moderates by Martha/Thomas.

Martha/Thomas knew that Jared Loughner loves Zeitgeist. Martha/Thomas knew that he believed in her conspiracy theories.

Jared Loughner just took that extra step and lived the violence of Martha/Thomas prematurely. He couldnt wait. He actually shot people now. People are dead now. Congresswoman Giffords is struggling to recover now.

Martha/Thomas knows all this. But when she brought up Tucson, what did she say?

Congresswoman Giffords and a bunch of her constituents were gunned down in Arizona by members of Tea Party Right-Wing militants.

Oh dear. Talk about “transfer propaganda”!
Talk about accusing in order to avoid responsibility!

Well, i wont be cowed into silence by Martha/Thomas and her transfer propaganda. Like a guilty person, she cant help but glance towards the murder scene, and I follow her gaze, which always guides to more clues. For example right now she keeps talking about “crosshairs”. Lets follow that thought.

Martha/Thomas said that bad people can destroypeople they disagree with “by putting them in the cross hairs”.

Very well. At this juncture we need to know if Martha/Thomas put people in the cross hairs.

Did you, Martha/Thomas, not only make violent threatening talk(”shoot them in the head till they no longer wiggle”) but also go even farther and make lists? Did you put real individual people in the crosshairs? Did you publish lists on the internet of people who should someday be killed?

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By ThomasG, February 1, 2011 at 1:28 am Link to this comment

Apparently all A Hitler/OzarkMichael is capable of is “Transfer Propaganda” as little Mikie one note.

A Hitler/OzarkMichael’s use of Transfer Propaganda to defend propaganda is not sufficient to get him off of the hook as a Hitleresque Movement hack using sophistry, propaganda and “blood libel” to represent a false view of advantage and accuse, condemn, denounce, and destroy the Left and Liberals by putting them in the cross hairs in the same fashion as Adolph Hitler did.

It is up to MarthaA to determine whether she wishes to engage in personal recrimination with A Hitler/OzarkMichael, as for me, I have already indicated that I am not interested.

Perhaps A Hitler/OzarkMichael is too timid to ask MarthaA directly whether or not she will engage with him in personal recrimination; perhaps he is afraid of being rejected as being intellectually incapable.

I would suspect that if all A Hitler/OzarkMichael is capable of is “personal recrimination”, “blood libel”,  and “transfer propaganda”, that he is going to have difficulty with regard to being taken seriously by anyone other than his own Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMIST Republican fellow travelers.

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By OzarkMichael, January 31, 2011 at 9:30 pm Link to this comment

Martha/Thomas said: I am not at all interested in engaging in a distraction of personal recrimination to mask EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Movement advocation and activity by A Hitler/OzarkMichael.

On the contrary. Thats all you ever talk about. Please focus. We were discussing the murders in Tuscon, the attempted murder of a United States Congresswoman. For you to call this a distraction is cold hearted and rather strange.

Everyone who reads this needs to know that Martha/Thomas is the one who brought up Congresswoman Giffords: Congresswoman Giffords and a bunch of her constituents were gunned down in Arizona by members of Tea Party Right-Wing militants.

Everyone will find it strange that suddenly poor Congresswoman Giffords is only a distraction to Martha/Thomas. People are dead, but Martha/Thomas suddenly cant be bothered to write another word about it.

How convenient.

Martha/Thomas, you still havent answered my question. It is bad enough that you recommend the same conspiracies and hatreds that Jared Loughner recommends. It is bad enough that you use violent rhetoric. But that is all only coincidence.

What we need to know is Did you make lists of people so that they could be targeted for the crime of being “Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMISTS ?

Focus, Martha/Thomas. It is the simple kind of question that only wants a simple ‘Yes’ or ‘No’.

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By OzarkMichael, January 31, 2011 at 8:24 pm Link to this comment

Martha/Thomas said: ...if the roots of EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Governance in the United States are not severed by repudiation...

well, Martha/Thomas thats a change for the better. Usually you recommend severing the roots of American conservatives by extermination.

Remember this?

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/20090826_hitlers_delusions_of_artistic_grandeur/P0/#264326

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By ThomasG, January 31, 2011 at 4:18 pm Link to this comment

There A Hitler/OzarkMichael goes again as his hero Ronald Reagan used to say.

Take note that A Hitler/OzarkMichael is engaging in a distraction of personal attack to foment recrimination as a mask to obscure his Conservative EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Movement activity in support of EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST governance in the United States.

I am not at all interested in engaging in a distraction of personal recrimination to mask EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Movement advocation and activity by A Hitler/OzarkMichael.

I am interested in exposing EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Movement activities, results, and effects that it has had on the United States as a nation from the time of Nixon through Goldwater, Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II;  the effects EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Movement advocation and activity is presently having on the United States as a nation and the effects EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Movement advocation and activity will have on the United States as a nation if left unchecked, as was Adolph Hitler’s EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Movement advocation and activity in Germany.

My interest in A Hitler/OzarkMichael is strictly political, not personal, and my political interest is solely in his advocation and support of EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Movement activity as expressed on the Truthdig Forum and elsewhere that could lead to another EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Dictatorship in the United States, in the same way that EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Movement advocation and activity of Adolph Hitler led to the EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Dictatorship of Adolph Hitler that supplanted democratic governance of the Weimar Republic.

It is true that I think that CHANGE to the U.S. Government is necessary in the United States, but the change to the U.S. Government in the United States that I advocate is participation of the American Populace as a class and culture in democracy in the United States, greater participation in democracy by the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION of the United States, rather than establishment of a Hitleresque EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Government in the United States that would eliminate democracy in favor of a Hitleresque EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Dictatorship.

The EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Movement activity of which I speak has at the present time resulted in the election of President Reagan, Bush I, Bush II and has created a backlash against the Left and Liberals, at the present time, who were left to clean up the mess of the accumulated dirty work of EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Governance from the time of Nixon through Goldwater, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II, and if left unchecked will establish Hitleresque EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Government in the United States equivalent to the EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Government of Adolph Hitler.

Movement activity by A Hitler/OzarkMichael and his ilk in support of EXTREME Hitleresque Right-Wing FASCIST Government in the United States must be repudiated, so that it does not continue to take root and grow, because if the roots of EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Governance in the United States are not severed by repudiation, the roots of EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Governance will grow and EXTREMIST Right-Wing FASCIST Governance will by unchecked growth become invasive and crowd out democratic government, just as it did in Weimar Germany.

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By OzarkMichael, January 31, 2011 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment

Martha/Thomas loves Zeitgeist, hates George Bush passionately, and believes in financial conspiracy theories.

Jared Loughner just so happens to love Zeitgeist, hates George Bush passionately, and believes in financial conspiracy theories

Martha/Thomas transfers her extreme hatred for Bush to innocent moderates if they disagree with her. There are plenty of posts that prove all this.

Jared Loughner also tranfers his extreme hatred for Bush to an innocent moderate because she disagreed with him.

Martha/Thomas envisioned a day of shooting in the head until they no longer wiggle and brain damage to moderates.

Jared Loughner is accused of actually doing the terrible act.

Now the question arises. Is there any connection between the rhetorical violence of Martha/Thomas and the actual murderous violence of Jared Loughner?

The first step is to find out if Martha/Thomas ever made lists of the people that she demonizes. Because it is one thing for her to theorize that ‘extreme conservatives’ should be treated like Hitler and shot in the head. Its another thing to publish a list of names, thereby targeting real individual people.

Martha/Thomas. Everyone wants to know if you published a list on the internet, which means you not only demonized people who disagree with you but you also targeted them as individuals for your vision of shooting them in the head till they no longer wiggle… brain damage… and etc.

Please tell us you didnt post lists of people. That would be a relief and we can stop looking into this.

But if you if you did publish lists, unfortunately you will have more questions.

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By ThomasG, January 31, 2011 at 10:57 am Link to this comment

A Hitler/OzarkMichael, January 31 at 4:07 am,

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A Hitler/OzarkMichael’s TRANSFER Propaganda post is another good example of propaganda being used to “transfer blame” for the propagandist’s propaganda, in this case A Hitler/OzarkMichael, onto those whom the propagandist, in this case A Hitler/OzarkMichael, wishes to accuse, condemn, denounce, and put in the cross hairs.

You will notice that A Hitler/OzarkMichael has presented a choice between EXTREME behavior that is framed “out of context”, that all choice is reduced down between what is presented as an EXTREMIST in the media, Jared Loughner, and the victim of the propagandist’s propaganda, in this case MarthaA and ThomasG, and in this specific case A Hitler/OzarkMichael uses rhetoric, language used to lead others to an EMOTIONAL conclusion, to conclude that MarthaA and ThomasG are the same as Jared Loughner; this is an example of how Hitleresque Propaganda works to “transfer blame”.

I am quite certain that A Hitler/OzarkMichael will continue to provide examples of propaganda for all of us on this Truthdig Forum to get a good understanding of propaganda, its purpose, and how propaganda works, by my refraining from direct contention with A Hitler/OzarkMichael’s propaganda and letting A Hitler/OzarkMichael continue with his direct accusation, condemnation, denunciation, and villification of MarthaA and ThomasG as direct examples of TRANSFER Propaganda provided by A Hitler/OzarkMichael’s continuing efforts to “transfer the blame” of his own reprehensible Propagandistic Movement behavior off onto MarthaA and ThomasG.

A Hitler/OzarkMichael, as a movement propagandist, using propaganda to defend his own propaganda and “transfer the blame” for his “Movement Propaganda” off onto others, depends upon A Hitler/OzarkMichael’s target audience for his propaganda to have no more intelligence, comprehension, and understanding than a potato, and I do not think A Hitler/OzarkMichael’s target audience is as dumb as A Hitler/OzarkMichael thinks they are. 

It should be offensive to A Hitler/OzarkMichael’s target audience to be treated as mindless propagandistic pawns being mentally molded and moved without the capability of independent thought.

I think the reason A Hitler/OzarkMichael has come out from his self conscious spider hole to attack is that he realizes that the Left and Liberals are catching on to the fact that the Right has been propagandizing them with false choices of their best interest,  and that change that rejects propaganda of false choices as best interest will over run the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST Movement, if the Left and Liberals cannot be stopped with a Battle of the Bulge effort from the Right.

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By ThomasG, January 31, 2011 at 10:54 am Link to this comment

A Hitler/OzarkMichael, January 31 at 4:07 am,

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A Hitler/OzarkMichael apparently thinks that the Reaganesque approach to politics will continue to work in the 21st Century, that of repeating the same lies and propaganda over and over again until people accept them as truth; this type of behavior resulted in the acceptance of “Supply Side Economics”, Trickle Down Benefit, Borrow and Spend Governance, and Financialization of the U.S. Economy that led to collapse of the U.S. Economy in September 2008.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

A Hitler/OzarkMichael is regurgitating the same sophism and propaganda that has been used from the time of Nixon through Goldwater, Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II to the present, and the results of that sophism and propaganda will be the same.

Is the same thing over and over, as advocated by A Hitler/OzarkMichael what we the people want for the United States with the expectation of a different result? —— Or, is it time for a change from acceptance of the insanity of Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST sophism and propaganda, to rejection of the insanity of <b>Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMIST Republican sophism and propaganda, and choice of a New Course that provides for the greater good, rather than the greater greed.

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By OzarkMichael, January 30, 2011 at 11:07 pm Link to this comment

If Jared Loughner liked the same videos as Martha/Thomas(please see the post where Martha/Thomas recommends them), then he has the same philosophy as Martha/Thomas, he probably liked the same websites. Truthdig is the Webby Award winning Leftist website.  Jared Loughner could easily have been here. If he ever read Martha/Thomas he would like what she wrote.

I want to state firmly that that i am supportive of real Liberal thought. i do not think Jared Loughner was created by it. Plainly he is a crazy person. But when Martha/Thomas crosses the line to violent rhetoric it can incite crazy people(like Jared Loughner) to violence.


Here is an example of Martha Thomas talking to conservatives: shoot them till they no longer wiggle

Here is how Martha/Thomas talked to nice moderates who didnt agree with her ravings. Selections from a weeks worth of posts that I have already linked: If someone clubbed you on the head with a really large stick and did severe damage to your head…the size of the stick, the force of the stick as it hit your head, and the damage that was done to your head from the impact of the stick…  the damage incurred to your head

then tell me whether or not the damage done to YOUR head…  impact with the maximum velocity… with regard to possible brain damage…  you may suffer brain damage. brain damage may permanently limit you

It is frightening to think that Jared Loughner might have read Martha/Thomas. He loved the same books and videos that Martha/Thomas loved(see the post below), and so he was ready to be influenced by her.

Martha/Thomas uses the most violent intimidating rhetoric you will ever find. Yes it is nonsense. But a crazy person is drawn to such nonsense. Is incited by such nonsense. Acts on such nonsense.

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By ThomasG, January 30, 2011 at 8:39 pm Link to this comment

A Hitler/OzarkMichael’s, January 30 at 10:04 pm post is another example of TRANSFER Propaganda.

Those who are following this thread should note the continued unapologetic use of Hitleresque Propaganda by OzarkMichael, rather than expressing remorse for his reprehensible continuation of propaganda in support of a movement agenda to accuse, condemn, denounce, and destroy his perceived enemy.

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By OzarkMichael, January 30, 2011 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment

ardee has some observations that Martha/Thomas: has been all over the board in his/her views; first defending the Democratic Party, then becoming as a mini-Che Guevara threatening violence to all who dare to disagree with wild and semi-coherent ravings. That she/he calls all who disagree, “conservatives with an agenda”, or denizens of “boiler room” propaganda mills is only rather sad and funny, really, especially to a socialist leaning type like me.

Not only sad, but a great insight there. The trajectory that you just sketched out for Martha/Thomas is the same trajectory as Jared Loughner.

Jared Loughner started out as some sort of a Democratic Party person, later developed a deep hatred of George Bush the same way Martha/Thomas does. But then Martha/Thomas(and also Jared Loughner) developed a hatred for anyone who disagreed with her. Finally Jared Loughner fixated on Congresswoman Giffords, whom he threatened violence because Ms Giffords disagreed with Jared Loughner’s semi coherent ravings.

Another similarity: Congresswoman Giffords is a moderate, a person with perhaps socialist leanings just like you, ardee.. She is not a conservative like the hated George Bush at all but for some reason he hated her and targeted her.

It is odd that both Jared Loughner and Martha/Thomas choose to make moderates their main targets even though it is conservatives that they hate first.

Let me proove it:

Martha/Thomas starts out angry at conservatives(me) enough to kill us:

... if we have laws that criminalize YOUR’S and HITLER’S type of sophism, so that we can give those who practice Hitler’s type of sophism a fair trial and then either imprison them or take them out and shoot them til they no longer wiggle.

But then for some reason the one target is not enough. Martha/Thomas decides that her ‘answer’ for the moderate ardee is the exact same for OzarkMichael: “We do need to rid ourselves of your type of PAID truth distorters ... which is a Nazi tactic carried over from the original Hitler administration

ardee, that was a great insight.

Martha/Thomas, please explain to everyone how it happens that you and Jared Loughner start out hating conservatives, but then later end up targeting moderates instead?

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By ThomasG, January 30, 2011 at 12:31 pm Link to this comment

A Hitler/OzarkMichael’s, January 30 at 6:23 am Post is an example of Transfer Propaganda, transferring blame for condemnation of OzarkMichael’s Movement Activity to personal condemnation of OzarkMichael as an individual, rather than condemnation of OzarkMichael’s behavior as a movement propagandist.

Transfer Propaganda carries the authority, sanction, and prestige of something respected and revered over to something else in order to make the latter acceptable; OzarkMichael’s post is a specific example of propaganda as opposed to binary emotional rhetoric of generic propaganda and can be analyzed as such.

For all who are unaware of the “process of propaganda” that are keeping up with this thread, ask for assistance if you need help with analysis.

With regard to propaganda analysis the process is as follows:

Binary -  Reduction of infinite choice down to two opposing choices.

Emotional - Love or hate, good or bad, that brands one choice painful and the other choice pleasurable.

Rhetoric - Language used by the propagandist to lead those being propagandized to choose one of the two limited choices and reject the remaining choice.

I invite all interested parties to do propaganda analysis on OzarkMichael’s posts and make decisions for themselves as to whether or not OzarkMichael is spewing propaganda on the Truthdig Forum.

It is not my intent to tell anyone what to think, it is my intent to encourage independent thought and propaganda analysis that will lead to greater understanding and the ability of people to better lead themselves, and awake from the slumber of propagandized sheep being led by the likes of OzarkMichael as a shepherd.

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By ardee, January 30, 2011 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, January 29 at 10:42 pm

I understand the purpose of your “battle” and believe you expressed it very well indeed, thanks for that. But ( a little word filled with meaning),I think you misrepresent the politics of the duopoly entity you battle, as well as giving far,far too much significance to the babbling that represent his/her/it’s body of work. This “person” has been all over the board in his/her views; first defending the Democratic Party, then becoming as a mini-Che Guevara threatening violence to all who dare to disagree with wild and semi-coherent ravings. That she/he calls all who disagree, conservatives with an agenda, or denizens of “boiler room” propaganda mills is only rather sad and funny, really, especially to a socialist leaning type like me. Whatever.

I state firmly that I am supportive of real conservative thought and do not make the mistake of many who conflate that worthy political body of work with our current crop of pseudo-conservatism or neoconservatives as you will. I can speak to conservatives, and exchange ideas and express ideals rather politely and with affection even…..

To think that another shooter could be created by reading the nonsense posted in an obscure forum by a raving lunatic ( a judgment call) is a stretch. But, carry on if you will, as is your right. I will miss what should have been in the place of your mission, valid and coherent defense of your own political views.

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By OzarkMichael, January 30, 2011 at 1:23 am Link to this comment

Martha/Thomas has accused me of encouraging the attempted murder of Congresswoman Giffords. The alleged shooter’s name is Jared Loughner. Here is what Martha/Thomas said today:

Thanks to “Zeitgeist” and all similar documentary type movies like The Bush-Nazi Connection and Capitalism: A Love Story by Michael Moore, more and more people are becoming aware and Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST sophistry and propaganda is hitting a brick wall instead of leading them against their best interest, and as more and more of the propagandized become aware, there will be a remarkable cut in the Jared Loughner type loner killers.


Martha/Thomas says that if everyone saw more of her Zeitgeist documetaries and read books that encourage anger at George Bush, and if everyone read her books that encourage anger at our financial system, then people like Jared Loughner would not be a problem. She implies there wouldnt have been a shooting at all.

Let us examine the facts and see if Martha/Thomas is right.

1)Martha recommends Zeitgeist. I never heard of Zeitgeist.  Lets see what Jared Loughner thinks:

If anything, Loughner’s former friend said that he was mostly influenced by the Zeitgeist Movement.

http://www.norcalblogs.com/gate/2011/01/shooter-never-listened-to-talk-radio-called-gifford-stupid-after-meeting-her.php

Jared Loughner would smile in agreement with Martha/Thomas about Zeitgeist. Martha/Thomas, please explain why.

2)The next question is whether Jared Loughner is the same as me who likes George Bush, or the same as Martha/Thomas who hates George Bush and is angry at him all the time.

Jared Loughner’s anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush

http://www.hapblog.com/2011/01/rush-jared-loughner-was-bush-hater.html

Oh my. Jared Loughner dislikes George Bush, has been very angry at George Bush for years. It looks like Jared Loughner read the same books Martha/Thomas thinks are so nice. Martha/Thomas, please explain how the books that teach hatred of George Bush effect people like Jared Loughner.


3)I like our financial system. Martha/Thomas can barely contain her anger against it. She thinks if other people read her posts and her books that there will be blessed peace and less killings.

http://azstarnet.com/news/blogs/starnet-blog/article_1362fef6-1b74-11e0-ab7e-001cc4c002e0.html

Oh my. Jared Loughner hates our financial system, just like Martha/Thomas does.  Martha/Thomas, please discuss your favorite financial conspiracy theories and why they seem to be part of Jared Loughner’s pathology.


4)I like conservative talk radio. Martha Thomas does not. I think it makes her angry.. Which one of us does Jared Loughner agree with?

Jared Loughner did not watch the news and he did not listen to talk radio

http://americaswatchtower.com/2011/01/12/friend-claims-that-jared-loughner-didnt-watch-television-or-listen-to-talk-radio/

Jared Loughner dislikes talk radio, just like Martha/Thomas.


Is there anything I wrote in Truthdig over the years that inspired Jared Loughner? That made him smile? NO! Martha/Thomas constantly links me to Bush, talk radio, conservatism, and capitalism. Its a safe bet that Jared Loughner would hate the things I enjoy. Just like Martha/Thomas hates them.

Now I ask: Did Loughner like the things that Martha/Thomas thinks are so great? YES. Does he hate the same things that she hates? YES. Loughner watched the same video, he read the books that she recommends. Was Loughner made a nicer person by the things Martha/Thomas recommends? NO. 

Martha/Thomas! You insisted that this discussion take place. You have accused me of blood guilt every day for a week.  But today as I answer your accusation, it looks like you are the one who needs to be questioned. I will write more tommorrow. It is very important that you keep writing.

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By MarthaA, January 29, 2011 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment

To date, A Hitler/OzarkMichael, the only people proudly toting guns are YOUR Conservative Republican Tea Party followers of Rupert Murdoch’s FOX News Network’s Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin ilk, that YOU defend. 

Although the propagandized populace of the Right-Wing Republican EXTREME Tea Party are from the Left,  and according to the news many are legally packing heat, but not for the Left——for the Right.

Conservative Right-Wing Republican Tea Party Fanaticism against the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREME by a Conservative Right-Wing propagandized populace can’t be in any way considered as a rise of the Left, so YOU have nothing to fear from the Left, as no one on the Left is promoting violent revolution ——as chaining ones self to the White House fence is not violent revolution. 

Neither myself nor ThomasG have ever advocated any kind of violent revolution, although there is history of violent revolution, which we discuss with you, an I fully believe traitors should be shot if found guilty in a court of law, but in no way do we advocate anything but passive withdrawal from the system that doesn’t represent the majority American Populace in the making and enforcing of legislated law and order in the United States.

You do like to talk about shooting, OzarkMichael, then act like it isn’t YOU, but it is YOU and only YOU that keeps talking about shooting and since the Right is carrying legal weapons, you may get your wish, and more people will be killed.

Thanks to “Zeitgeist” and all similar documentary type movies like The Bush-Nazi Connection and Capitalism: A Love Story by Michael Moore, more and more people are becoming aware and Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST sophistry and propaganda is hitting a brick wall instead of leading them against their best interest, and as more and more of the propagandized become aware, there will be a remarkable cut in the Jared Loughner type loner killers, with the exception of the CIA <a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA”>MK Ultra type, as an aware American Populace will know that individuals can’t do anything political as individuals, but have to use the power of their entire class and culture, the American Common Populace’s Class and Culture, NOT the American Middle Class and Culture that separated in the 1980’s from the American Common Populace’s Class and Culture when the Democratic Leadership Council, DLC, was originated as their representation in cooperation with the http://www.hulu.com/watch/112523/the-american-ruling-class, the American Aristocracy.

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By ThomasG, January 29, 2011 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment

A Hitler/OzarkMichael, January 29 at 3:40 pm, and A Hitler/OzarkMichael, January 29 at 10:42 pm,

YOUR subjective assertions do not have any objective existence, and therefore can be neither proven or disproven because subjective assertions do not have objective existence.

I have made the objective assertion based upon the history of YOUR posts on the Truthdig Forum, that YOU are a Hitleresque sophist propagandist, and that YOUR posts on the net’s Truthdig Forum are objective proof that YOU are a Hitleresque sophist propagandist.

Like the body of Adolph Hitler’s works before, during, and after World War II objectively define Adolph Hitler’s dialectic, sophistry, and propaganda; the body of YOUR posting on the Truthdig Forum define YOUR posts and YOU as the author of YOUR posts, as dialectic of Hitleresque sophistry and propaganda of the same nature as used by Adolph Hitler advocated in Mein Kampf. 

You have chosen to defend YOUR use of Hitleresque subjectification of objective facts for purposes of dialectic, sophistry, and propaganda repeatedly without remorse and continue to do so; based upon this fact, why is it that YOU suppose that I, or anyone else, would conclude that YOU are not a Hitleresque propagandist using Hitleresque sophistry and dialectic to promote a Hitleresque Agenda?

If you are not a Hitleresque Propagandist using Hitleresque dialectic and sophistry to promote a Hitleresque Agenda, then YOU should rebuke the Hitleresque techniques of Adolph Hitler that YOU have employed on this Truthdig Forum, and we can then move on to why it is that you have advocated Hitleresque dialectic, sophistry, and propaganda as a Movement Activity of the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST Agenda.

With regard to you, OzarkMichael, I have nothing against you personally but YOUR Movement Activity based upon Hitleresque dialectic, sophistry, and propaganda is far more dangerous than a single deluded follower such as YOU, OzarkMichael, could ever accomplish as an individual.

As an individual, OzarkMichael, you are irrelevant to me and most likely anyone else, but as a participant in Dangerous Movement Activity that is Hitleresque in nature, the Movement Activity is dangerous and the proof of danger is what resulted from the same Movement Activity used and left unchecked by Adolph Hitler.

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By OzarkMichael, January 29, 2011 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment

ardee, you were kind enough to give advice so i will explain what is really going on. There is a reason why we should think about the charges against me(and all conservatives) of being a fascist, such as this today: YOU, OzarkMichael, are engaged in movement activity, rather than individual activity; movement activity that is Hitleresque Fascist Activity that if left unchecked can and will result in the same type of genocidal conflict as World War II.

These accusations involve more than mere name calling. The name calling is followed by accusations of blood guilt(as you can see from the bold print above). And elsewhere Martha Thomas takes the next step, she talks about violence as a way to stop me. Martha/Thomas admittedly stays in the realm of conditional threats. By conditional I mean she wont shoot anyone now, only when the time is right.

Then she publishes lists of enemies, (conservative people) who have similar blood guilt.

Am I personally afraid of Martha/Thomas? No. Do I think Martha/Thomas is going to act on her veiled threats and kill anyone? No, she is just a big-talking whacko.

However, there are unstable people in the world who read her crap on the internet and they get ideas. They understand how bad fascism is, they understand from Martha/Thomas who the fascists are, and they understand from Martha that some punishment such as her favorite shoot them in the head till they no longer wiggle is long overdue and urgently needed.

Her violent rhetoric has internal logic. If we conservatives are about to commit genocide, then why should a crazy Leftist wait any longer? And Martha/Thomas provides lists of targets on a regular basis.

If you, ardee, understand how dangerous conservative violent rhetoric is you will understand that we have the most dangerous type of Leftist violent rhetoric coming from Martha/Thomas.

She needs to be called on it.

What happens instead? We have people here on Truthdig who back Martha/Thomas up. We have people who cheer her on, like the increasingly idiotic Inherit the Wind, when he says “Exactly, Martha.”

You understand ardee, that this is not about me, although to entice Martha/Thomas to respond I set that up at first. The next phase reviews the evidence of the Tucson shooting. As usual, Martha/Thomas wont have an answer to the facts, and will only get more hysterical.

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By ardee, January 29, 2011 at 10:57 am Link to this comment

name calling seems about right for a despicable and immature braggart like you. I stick by my words:

Go Right Young Man, January 25 at 3:05 pm

Speaking of liars it WAS you that told Rico, the misplaced comma, that you blocked my posts was it not? Apparently you lied regarding that particular statement.

As you seem not to have read my effort, judging by your childish and off the mark response to it, I will re-post it here:

GRYM boasts about a medium that inflicts propaganda upon the people twenty four seven. In his usual style he twists facts and invents logic to his own purpose. That the people have little choice in programming fare, that the accuracy of those numbers ( oh what numbers?), that the credibility of those sources ( oh what sources?) may be questionable is omitted. That every poll on the subject shows plainly that the great majority support progressive agendas is still the truth, despite the regurgitated and stale propaganda he continuously inflicts upon this forum.

For one who insults those who actually do research you have never, not once, posted a link to any of your statistical “evidence”. In fact you brag about that refusal to link. I do know the ratings actually, and I do understand the numbers, even that they have been in decline for two straight years now, though they are far in excess of any the very few liberal commentators post..

For OzarkMichael

Yeah, I know, it aint easy at all….

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OzarkMichael, January 29 at 3:40 pm

Are you this paranoid? Or this insecure? Do you honestly think anyone here gives any credence to the ravings of this obviously disturbed dual personality?

Please I ask you to simply ignore them, just like most of the rest do. I judge your posts on their content, not upon what anyone else says about you or them. Can we not stick to politics?

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By OzarkMichael, January 29, 2011 at 10:40 am Link to this comment

Today we begin to investigate Martha/Thomas accusation against me. Namely, she accuses me of writing things on Truthdig which could be a cause for the shooting in Tucson. She accuses me of having an ideology that is connected to the shooter.

Martha/Thomas was given a chance to produce proof, but she could not. All she can do is repeat the accuation, adding even more terrible accusations. Well, that is her game.

Her one accusation is what we will focus on.

First, my identity: i am a Christian, a conservative. I voted for Reagan, George Bush the elder and then the younger. I liked George Bush the younger enough to vote for him in two elections. And I registered to vote as a Republican instead of Independant a few years ago, without being a member of the Republican party. I listen to talk radio at times. I do not approve of everything I hear.

My writings here on Truthdig are an open book. Have I talked about “shooting people in the head”? No. Put “Crosshairs” on someone? No. “Final Solution” for any person? No. Have a produced a list of people who should someday be silenced or killed? No.

Any of the above would be evidence. I will stop for now and give my accuser yet another chance to offer some proof against me in this matter of the shooting in Tucson.

We will review the available evidence next time.

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By ThomasG, January 28, 2011 at 7:52 pm Link to this comment

A Hitler/OzarkMichael, January 28 at 10:28 pm,

There YOU go again wanting to focus in on YOUR own self centered delusions of self involved importance, and claim “Eichman like separation,” as an individual, from the consequences of Movement Activity, of which YOU are a part; this strategy did not work for those who were a part of Hitler’s government and military, although the claim was made by Adolph Eichman as a defense, that claim did not work for Adolph Eichman, and the same claim is insufficient for YOU as a “Little Tiny Eichman.”

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By OzarkMichael, January 28, 2011 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment

Martha/Thomas claims that i like shooting talk and Martha/Thomas claims that i caused the shooting of Congresswoman Giffords.

i ask for proof. Her last post shows that she has no proof.

Instead Martha/Thomas merely attacks someone else in my place. And she changes the subject by making more false accusations… as usual.

But i agreed to answer her question even if she had no proof, and so i shall do so next time.

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By OzarkMichael, January 28, 2011 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment

Martha/Thomas claims that i like shooting talk and Martha/Thomas claims that i caused the shooting of Congresswoman Giffords.

i asked for proof. Her last post shows that she has no proof.

Instead Martha/Thomas merely attacks someone else in my place. And she changes the subject by making more false accusations… as usual.

But i agreed to answer her question even if she had no proof, and so i shall do so next time.

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By ThomasG, January 28, 2011 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

A Hitler/OzarkMichael,January 28 at 3:49 pm,

YOU give yourself too much importance and credit, YOU are nothing more than a demagogue, a cog in a machine of sophism and propaganda for the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST Movement, a minor functionary who does not warrant selective treatment other than as a minion with delusions of grandeur, whose history as proof of behavior is on the net and on this Truthdig Forum for all to see that are interested in doing so, without necessity of being provided by me.

YOUR thoughts that YOU should be treated by a standard beyond YOUR status apparently means something to YOU in YOUR deluded little dream world, but YOUR delusions have no reality past YOUR own Hitleresque dreams of YOUR own self involved importance.

If YOU want to be taken more seriously, perhaps YOU should dialogue with other deluded people, as does the fool on the hill expounding foolishness with all of the certainty of a fool, with all of the sound and fury of a fool that signifies NOTHING to anyone other than another fool.

The Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST Media Echo Chamber feels the same way about their foolishness being taken seriously, as YOU do. 

However, foolishness, whether it is YOUR foolishness or foolishness of Glenn Beck, FOX News Network, or the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST Movement Echo Chamber foolishness as a whole is still foolishness and “you all” are going to have to get used to YOUR demagogic foolishness being treated for what it is demagogic FOOLISHNESS.

Demagogic foolishness that is for the most part used to promote “Blood Libel” against YOUR declared enemies and incite YOUR followers to act on YOUR sophism and propaganda to put YOUR enemies in the “cross hairs”, a “final solution”, after they have been duly accused, condemned, and denounced by Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST sophistry and propaganda in the same manner as Adolph Hitler both practiced and advocated in Mein Kampf.  Some current examples of this ongoing process from the time of Nixon through Goldwater, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II to the present are as follows:

Rabbis Appalled at FOX News Network’s McCarthyistic “Blood Libel” Demagoguery by Glenn Beck:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/fox-dismisses-rabbis-glenn-beck-complaint/?utm_source=Raw+Story+Daily+Update&utm_campaign=37077fcd37-1_28_111_28_2011&utm_medium=email

“Blood Libel” Demagoguery of Chinese President and Language on FOX News Network by Rush Limbaugh Resulting in Death Threat to CA State Senator Leland Yee:
http://www.readersupportednews.org/off-site-news-section/69-69/4664-senator-yee-receives-racist-death-threats-after-calling-for-limbaugh-boycott

“Blood Libel” McCarthyistic Enemy List Assertions Without Facts by Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMISTS:
http://www.essortment.com/all/mccarthyismred_rmfw.htm

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By OzarkMichael, January 28, 2011 at 10:49 am Link to this comment

I want to make it clear that Martha/Thomas ties me to the shooting in Tucson. She said:

You, like YOUR Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST hero Glenn Beck and Hitler do like your sophistry and propagandistic inciteful talk about shooting people of the Left to the point that Congresswoman Giffords and a bunch of her constituents were gunned down in Arizona by members of Tea Party Right-Wing militants


to make it more clear, I remove her reference to Beck, Hitler etc…

You (...) like your sophistry and propagandistic inciteful talk about shooting people of the Left to the point that Congresswoman Giffords and a bunch of her constituents were gunned down in Arizona by members of Tea Party Right-Wing militants.

First Martha/Thomas accuses me of being the same as Hitler. Then she ties me to her conspiracy theory. She accuses me of talk about shooting people and puts innocent blood on my hands. She ought to prove that i talk that way, or prove that I like shooting talk as much as she does.

She wants me to answer her questions. I will answer,  but only after she proves it, or she admits that she has no proof. Otherwise if i try to answer her question she will take that as a defacto admission of guilt.

So… do you have proof against me, Martha/Thomas?

answer yes or no.

I wait patiently.

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By OzarkMichael, January 28, 2011 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

Martha/Thomas askes: So ...... Have you figured out the answer to those questions posed to help YOU connect YOUR own Hitleresque behavior… ...etc etc same old same old as always.


You constantly accuse me. You never offer any proof. You say these things to me as if I am tied to them. Then you have the nerve to ask me to answer your baseless allegations.

But ok, lets talk about your accusations. You never offer proof against me, but I will give you a chance anyway. I will answer the most recent and important false allegation which you threw at me: 

Martha/Thomas said: Congresswoman Giffords and a bunch of her constituents were gunned down in Arizona by members of Tea Party Right-Wing militants.

Before we start, do you have any proof that anything I said here had anything to do with your whacky conspiracy theory? Find something I said here on Truthdig that encourages, causes, or agrees with your conspiracy theory about the shooting in Tucson. That is the proof you need against me.

Do you have any proof against me? Answer yes or no.

If you have no proof, you will merely attack me by proxy… ie you will attack someone else in my place. Or you will change the subject with some other false accusation... as usual.

Either way, everyone will find out that you have no proof against me on this question even though i sit in the defendent’s chair and I give you the microphone.

This is your chance. Do you have any proof against me?  Answer yes or no.

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By ThomasG, January 28, 2011 at 12:03 am Link to this comment

A Hitler/Ozark M, January 28 at 2:40 am,

So ...... Have you figured out the answer to those questions posed to help YOU connect YOUR own Hitleresque behavior and subjective assertions to objective reality? ——Or, are YOU still harping on YOUR subjective interpretation, as did YOUR spirit guide Adolph Hitler and his book, Mein Kampf, that YOU use as a guide for subjective rhetoric?

YOUR use of my posts on Truthdig’s ‘The War on Language’ out of context is an example of Hitleresque “blood libel” of the type that has been practiced from the time of Nixon through Goldwater, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II to the present by YOU and YOUR Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST ilk, and is what I expect from YOU as a Hitleresque Right-Winger.

Please continue, lest anyone has forgotten who YOU are and the pit that YOU crawled up from.

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By OzarkMichael, January 27, 2011 at 9:40 pm Link to this comment

Martha/Thomas said: What I have said and what you have said is on the net for anyone who wants to look at to read for themselves.

excellent, I was hoping you would say that, because now you have asked for it and we shall oblige you.  Lets take a look.

After a ten second search, we easily find more violent talk by Martha/Thomas, written on Truthdig to someone she was angry with:

If someone clubbed you on the head with a really large stick and did severe damage to your head; would the subjective observation that no damage was done to your head be true; or, would the objective observations relative to the size of the stick, the force of the stick as it hit your head, and the damage that was done to your head from the impact of the stick as objective evidence be the true objective observations relative to the damage incurred to your head?

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090928_the_war_on_language/P400/#275492

Matha/Thomas clubbing someone else here:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090928_the_war_on_language/P400/#274793

All these Martha/Thomas visions of “shooting people in the head till they no longer wiggle”, or stories about “clubbing you in the head”, or hitting you repetitively with a club and “with force” and damage done to your head” … are pure hatespeech. And that was just from two days of posts. There is much more if we want to search for it.

Its aggressive violent talk. It threatens the target in a fascist way, reminiscent of Adolf Hitler. 

I cannot help but worry that some deranged madman read Martha/Thomas and decided to do some damage to someone’s head. Some poor innocent person didnt deserve it, but the crazed madman was whipped into a violent frenzy by Martha/Thomas and her violent fascistic threats.

But Martha/Thomas isnt sorry. Martha/Thomas is proud of how she threatens people. She is only getting started.

She invited everyone to read what she wrote. And so we shall.

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By ThomasG, January 27, 2011 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment

A Hitler/Ozark M, January 27 at 7:41 pm, as you always do, you use false frames, put words into the mouths of others, and speak for them, saying that they say things that were never said, and this is what is expected from YOU, as a Hitleresque Fascist.

What I have said and what you have said is on the net for anyone who wants to look at to read for themselves.

I feel good about defending against YOUR Hitleresque dialectic, and YOU feel good about YOUR use of Hitleresque dialectic, so what is YOUR problem?

I am ThomasG, Not MarthaA, so in line with your frame of martha/Thomas, I will begin today to make reference to YOU as A Hitler/Ozark M.

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By OzarkMichael, January 27, 2011 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment

martha/Thomas: In response to your inquiry about endangerment, YOU tell me…

No no. Thats not how it works. You are accusing me of a terrible thing so you need to prove it. Otherwise you are engaging in libel, slander, lies.

The day has not yet come when you can judge and shoot people just by your accusation. Thats very fascist of you to long for that day.

The day has not yet come when you can shoot people just for disagreeing with you. It is so very fascist of you. Yes your day is coming, but not yet. So dont get so excited.

Do i say take them out and shoot them in the head till they no longer wiggle like you do? Which by the way is very Hitleresque of you. Very fascist.

You still havent apologized for your violent fascist shooting talk. instead, like Hitler in Mein Kampf, you try to justify it by more crazy accusations.

You can only accuse me and threaten me. thats all you ever do. Never any proof.

Shall i prove that your awful threats are Hitleresque?

Shall i prove how you copy almost verbatum from Mein Kampf?

You have said many many bad fascist things. i can prove it. Some will find it amusing to see what a fascist you are. Others, who think you are a comrade, might decide to disown you once i bring all this stuff to light.

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By ThomasG, January 27, 2011 at 10:26 am Link to this comment

OzarkMichael said:  “As i survey my writing on Truthdig i am in fact very proud of the creativity and ideas expressed. I see nothing that endangers anyone. Please inform me of anything otherwise. Be specific and dont just make baseless accusations.” —OzarkMichael, January 27 at 12:42 am Truthdig Forum ‘Keith Olberman Leaves MSNBC’

OzarkMichael said:  “In spite of my efforts, i see Truthdiggers sliding closer to your abyss. Even though very few people here seem to agree with you, over time Truthdig rhetoric is getting more like yours every year.” —OzarkMichael, January 27 at 12:42 am Truthdig Forum ‘Keith Olberman Leaves MSNBC’

Parallel YOUR dialogue to Adolph Hitler’s fascist dialogue in Mein Kampf and, as you are already aware, the intentional pattern of YOUR dialectic is equivalent in nature to the dialectic of Adolph Hitler, and YOU have spent a good portion of YOUR time and effort on this Truthdig Forum defending Hitleresque dialectic; YOU are no doubt proud of YOUR efforts in this regard and I expect nothing less from a Hitleresque fascist.

With regard to the false view of advantage that YOU have presented on this Truthdig Forum for Hitleresque Fascism in support of a Hitleresque Fascist Agenda, it is good that rhetoric on Truthdig is getting more like mine every year because it is imperative that Hitleresque Fascists like YOU and the rest of YOUR ilk are recognized before the damage is done, rather than after, as with Adolph Hitler.

In response to your inquiry about endangerment, YOU tell me what the endangerment of the sophism and propaganda of Adolph Hitler was in World War II, and whether or not if left unchecked, the use of Hitleresque dialectic by the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST Movement from the time of Nixon through Goldwater, Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II will not result in the same type of genocidal conflict and whether or not the intentional use of Hitleresque dialectic in support of a Fascist Agenda constitutes endangerment?

In my estimation the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST Movement, and YOU as a part of that movement, by the use of Hitleresque dialectic are more guilty of endangerment of more innocent people as a political movement intentionally accusing, condemning, denouncing, and putting people in the “cross hairs” with “blood libel” than any ‘one’ single isolated individual engaged in criminal endeavor could ever be capable of.

The lesson of Adolph Hitler is that movement activity is far more capable of endangering large populations of innocent people than individual activity can ever be, and YOU, OzarkMichael, are engaged in movement activity, rather than individual activity; movement activity that is Hitleresque Fascist Activity that if left unchecked can and will result in the same type of genocidal conflict as World War II.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 27, 2011 at 8:51 am Link to this comment

OzarkMichael,

I am unconcerned about Shemale/Aathram’s, tossing the word “fascist” about so freely.  These things, these oddities, come and go in a cyclic manner.  Also, if you look close, next to no one takes such charges, or Shemale, seriously.

Also, if you look again, you’ll see that Aathram doesn’t understand the term.  He/she is only mimicking other, equally unhinged, EXTREMISTS.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 27, 2011 at 7:17 am Link to this comment

Grow up, Manchild wink

I use a newsreader.  Yes, on my newsreader I elected to omit your childish rants.  For the last week, however, I have been migrating to a new computer and have been reading from the TruthDig Web Site directly.  Yes, I have seen your posts of late.

You’re an simple-minded idiot….LOL

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By OzarkMichael, January 26, 2011 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment

Martha/Thomas said: It sounds to me like you are concerned about the consequences of YOUR actions…

As i survey my writing on Truthdig i am in fact very proud of the creativity and ideas expressed. I see nothing that endangers anyone. Please inform me of anything otherwise. Be specific and dont just make baseless accusations.

Oh, wait. i know what you are upset about! What i did to you, Martha/Thomas. Yes but you richly deserved that. You kept calling people fascists. So in one thread i mercilessly gave it back to you and it actually shut you up for awhile.  Everyone was rather amused by that, it was a classic and if you ask for it i will find it and link to it.

But entertainment aside, there was a lesson for them to learn which did not stick. maybe it was too funny and the irony covered the message.

Understand, it isnt about you Martha/Thomas. it never has been. You are a lost soul. When i write about you its actually for the benefit of everyone else except you. If i thought that arguing with you would teach them something… i would do it constantly. Otherwise you arent worth the effort of a single post.

Let me make you happy, martha/Thomas. In spite of my efforts, i see Truthdiggers sliding closer to your abyss. Even though very few people here seem to agree with you, over time Truthdig rhetoric is getting more like yours every year.

As for the rest, there are times when i am too severe with certain people. They know who they are.  Its just that i expected better from them, and have tried various methods to change the tide they are swept up in. Nothing else worked so severity seemed worth a try. Failure meant hurt feelings.

Other than that, i have no regrets at all. But that is in the realm of human emotion about human relations, which is Subjectivity. And we all know you are far beyond that Martha/Thomas. you are always objective like a rock or a brick on a cold day.

So even this post written to you isnt really for you at all. It is only for those who desire to understand themselves and others in a more human way.

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Go Right Young Man, January 25 at 3:05 pm

Speaking of liars it WAS you that told Rico, the misplaced comma, that you blocked my posts was it not? Apparently you lied regarding that particular statement.

As you seem not to have read my effort, judging by your childish and off the mark response to it, I will re-post it here:

GRYM boasts about a medium that inflicts propaganda upon the people twenty four seven. In his usual style he twists facts and invents logic to his own purpose. That the people have little choice in programming fare, that the accuracy of those numbers ( oh what numbers?), that the credibility of those sources ( oh what sources?) may be questionable is omitted. That every poll on the subject shows plainly that the great majority support progressive agendas is still the truth, despite the regurgitated and stale propaganda he continuously inflicts upon this forum.

For one who insults those who actually do research you have never, not once, posted a link to any of your statistical “evidence”. In fact you brag about that refusal to link. I do know the ratings actually, and I do understand the numbers, even that they have been in decline for two straight years now, though they are far in excess of any the very few liberal commentators post..

I also understand why you refuse to link; it makes the subtlety of your distortions more palatable.

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By ThomasG, January 26, 2011 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, January 25 at 1:16 am, OzarkMichael, January 25 at 2:15 pm, OzarkMichael, January 25 at 8:07 pm:

How is that “Heavy Hitter” thing working out for ya there in your Boiler Room cave?

It sounds to me like you are concerned about the consequences of YOUR actions and YOU are wanting to shift the blame off onto those to whom YOU advocate oppression, tyranny, and putting them in the “cross hairs” as a “final solution.”

The way of Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMISTS is “blood libel” of the same type practiced by Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMISTS from the time of Nixon through Goldwater, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II, that of accuse, condemn, denounce, and put Liberals in the “cross hairs.”

“Blood libel”  has been practiced by the Conservative Right Wing Republican EXTREMISTS against the Left since the time of the Nixon Resignation in 1974 to the present —37 years.  You should be proud of the accomplishments of Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMISTS during that period during which time Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMISTS  bankrupted the United States as a nation and destroyed the U.S. Economy.

I can understand why YOU as a Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST do not want to take possession of your ignoble accomplishments as a member of the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST Movement.

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By OzarkMichael, January 25, 2011 at 3:07 pm Link to this comment

GRYM, thank you for writing a gracious response that also gently insists on maintaining your own independent path. And your learning approach is always the way to go.

That was an ideal answer. I would like to critique it anyway, not because you are in any way wrong, but for the lesson that will come to you.

When accusations of fascism are flung around the room, it is not good to claim the badge of ‘moderate’, even if that is what you are.

In the face of being called a fascist, of being accused of extremism, what is the first instinct? the first instinct is to sputter, “No! i am not! i am a moderate person with moderate beliefs!”

The problem with this is that you are unintentionally giving the Leftist a great deal of leeway. You are conceding that people more conservative than yourself could be called fascist. You are also conceding that if in future you say something which the Left considers conservative, the issue of whether you are a fascist should be reconsidered.

If it is only yourself that matters, that might be acceptable. But what are you really here for? Are you here to score some points, merely to express yourself?

Listen GRYM, i will teach you something vitally important: The highest goal we can have is to pass on our liberties to our children, to ensure that American political discourse becomes more elevated, and doesnt melt down to mere force. That people can have open discussions, that conflicting views can compete in the marketplace of ideas. If freedom is stronger, than we are content even if we lose a debate or even an election.

I hope you understand that the spurious accusations that you are a ‘fascist’ is meant to disqualify you and intimidate you. What you need to see is that it is not good to merely protest your own innocence.

Let me illustrate: Two african Americans are walking down the street. One is smart and the other is not. the second fellow asks a question which makes it obvious he doesnt understand something. A white man overhears it and comments “Stupid N——-s.” The smart person steps up to the white man and says, “But I am smart!”

What is wrong with that smart person? He is indirectly allowing the white person to call his friend ‘stupid’ and ‘N——’ to boot. Furthermore, the smart guy leaves open the possibility that in future the white person can call him the bad names if the smart guy happens to say something foolish.

In the same way, a moderate person who is called a fascist must never protest ‘But I am moderate!’

When you are called a “fascist”, it isnt really about you. You must see that the person doing this to you has a problem, and they are spreading the problem more every year. There is almost nobody on the Left who wants to stop it. The “fascist” talk is pretty thick here on little Truthdig, but if it spreads enough it will destroy everyone’s liberty.

You are here blogging. So it is up to you. To be successful you must be profound.

There is an old saying: “Everything that is profound must wear a mask”

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By Go Right Young Man, January 25, 2011 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

OzarkMichael,

Being a rather moderate American I agree with much of what you write, however, I will continue to present facts in a largely unemotional and succinct manner. 

I do enjoy your point of view and will, as I do with everyone, listen and learn.

If we are to listen to the bulk of the elite media we are lead to believe Olbermann’s rating were astronomical.  This is provably false.  Countdown’s ratings were high on the MSNBC Network as compared to all other MSNBC programing. - MSNBC Network ratings are below Spike TV.

It both baffles and saddens me to see so many here under the illusion that they are in the majority.  With that falsity they are able to convince themselves that grand conspiracies exist.  How else to explain why “the establishment” largely runs counter to the progressive agenda?  The answer is as simple as why the sun rises in the East.  The majority, the 40% of moderate and 40% of conservative voters desire, as a whole, a different direction.  It’s never wrong to bring reality into the discussion.

Thank you for your input.  I will always listen.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 25, 2011 at 10:05 am Link to this comment

Manchild,

What a blast from the past.  I see you’re still unable to see straight.

I boast of nothing, little man.  Aside from FOX News Sunday, I rarely watch FOX News and care little for Hannity’s partisanship or O’Reilly’s style. 

If you could dispute Olbermann’s meager ratings you surely would.  For the time-being, however, you too have nothing to argue with.

We may be able to assume that a. you’re either too lazy to take five minutes and research the ratings yourself or, b. you already took the time and failed, miserably, to dispute what I have shared here.

LOL…..you’re still, after all this time, an unbelievably dishonest idiot. wink

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By OzarkMichael, January 25, 2011 at 9:15 am Link to this comment

This post is directed at “Go Right Young Man”.

Here we are, both of us being called fascists.

I make three assumptions(although all three assumptions could be wrong).

I am going to assume that you are a conservative, that you are an American, and that you are younger than I am.

So you are not a fascist but you are being called one. This has been going on in America for 50 years, and it is happening more and more.

How do we respond to the false charge of fascism?

Before I answer that, lets remember what we want to accomplish. Conservatives want to preserve American freedoms, based on our Constitution and the institutions which support our government, culture and society. We are slow to change these things since we know that they are basically good.

Now understand that our goals do not allow us to respond to violent rhetoric any old way we please. For example, we must not respond to violent mob thinking(such as expressed by Martha/Thomas) by inciting a bigger mob(rhetorically) to stop them. No! If we come down to their level (mob fighting) we are no longer conserving our principles of free speech and democracy, but destroying them. As soon as it becomes a matter of force we have abandoned our principles and then it doesnt matter who wins the fight.

It is better, always better, to face the mob alone. Why? Because alone you have no-one else and nothing else but your principles. Conservatives value independence and the individual, so stand alone as an individual. In that way the mode of conversation reflects the values we hold dear. Practice on the internet, try it in the classroom. You will make mistakes but thats ok. You will get stronger and stronger.

Opposed to the independent conservative individual, the radical Left needs the collective, which means the mob. The bigger it is the more powerful their arguments seem (to them). Imagine what power Martha/Thomas taps into because she can conjure up 216 million(not including toadies!) all in a collective rage against so few conservatives. For her the mob supplies logic and truth.

GRYM, it is bad form to argue that there are more of us than there are of them. Statistically it might be true, but it is not good form. Maybe you can prove it, but before you do, observe what the Leftists are saying. For example, here ardee is signalling to everyone that even if you provide proofs and sources for political polls or television ratings he wont believe in them if they dont agree with his opinion. There is a way to handle this(do I need to explain? ask if you dont know) but even so do not linger there very long. You are edging away from our first principles. 

Stand on principle. Appeal to reason. Appeal to sentiment if you must, but dont appeal to mob tactics, nor use intimidation of numbers, nor threaten to change the law to eliminate political opponents, nor threaten violence in any way. That is their turf, not ours. They want us on their turf.  Dont go there.

Our choice of tactics should be limited to that which is consonant with the principles we defend. That is a tactical handicap and that is our disadvantage. I think our opponents know it. Part of their game is to get us to act in a way that separates us our own beliefs.

Do you understand me so far? And agree?

My next talk would be about why the Left calls us fascists.  Perhaps you already know these things and dont need to hear it? But if you arent sure take every opportunity to learn, including this one.

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OzarkMichael, January 25 at 1:16 am

Your own fault for even replying or acknowledging this poor conflicted wretch exists. Someone who cannot even decide upon a gender, one whose posts bounce from pillar to post, extreme to extreme, may deserve our pity, but probably only deserves silence.

GRYM boasts about a medium that inflicts propaganda upon the people twenty four seven. In his usual style he twists facts and invents logic to his own purpose. That the people have little choice in programming fare, that the accuracy of those numbers ( oh what numbers?), that the credibility of those sources ( oh what sources?) may be questionable is omitted. That every poll on the subject shows plainly that the great majority support progressive agendas is still the truth, despite the regurgitated and stale propaganda he continuously inflicts upon this forum.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 24, 2011 at 10:03 pm Link to this comment

2010 Top Cable News Rankings

1.  The O’Reilly Factor
2.  Hannity
3.  Glenn Beck
4.  Special Report/Bret Bair
5.  On the Record/Greta
6.  The Fox Report/Shprd Smith
7.  Your World/Cavuto’
8.  The O’Reilly Fctr/Repeat
9.  America’s Newsroom
10. Studio B/Shprd Smith
11. America Live/Live Desk
12. Happening Now

All FOX News programming.  Even the 9a - 10a- and 1p Fox News programs beat Olbermann on his Prime-Times 9:00p slot.

Very few were turning to Olbermann for a reading of current events.  - Now that’s a fact, Jack!

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By Go Right Young Man, January 24, 2011 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment

Aathram,

When you locate a set of ratings which disputes these facts about Countdown you should feel free to point us all in the right direction.  For the time being, however, you’ve nothing to argue with.

Bill O’Reilly’s 5:00a.m. reruns enjoy a larger audience than Olbermann did on Prime Time.  That’s a minuscule following.  Albeit, I grant you, an EXTREME following.

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By OzarkMichael, January 24, 2011 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment

Martha/Thomas says to me:

What would you and the few Right do if all the 216 Million people of the Left, not including the toadies, actually decided to turn on the ones actually doing the sophistry and propaganda against them, where would you toadies and all the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST propagandists of The American Ruling Class” hide?


Instead of apologizing for the threat of shooting me, Martha/Thomas tries to justify the shooting by bringing in 216 million Leftist people to back her up. And then with all the millions(but “not including the toadies” which I suppose refers to her dimwit bootlickers like Maani, skimohawk, and ITW) with the millions backing her up, she places me in the position of needing to hide.

Why would a law abiding American like myself need to hide?

Well,  Martha/Thomas has plans. Martha/Thomas wants to make it illegal for conservatives to express their political view. And then she enjoys this vision of taking them out and shooting them till they no longer wiggle.

That is hatespeech. That is shooting talk.  It is wrong. It is dangerous because it might inspire a crazy person to shoot innocent people.

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By MarthaA, January 24, 2011 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, January 24 at 11:44 pm,

Amorphous nonsense.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 24, 2011 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment

Maani,- “I notice that you did a complete flip-flop, from claiming that KO was “let go” due to ratings, to admitting that he was the highest-rated program on MSNBC, and now blaming his departure on the fact that he did not have even MORE viewers.”

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You should revisit what I’ve written. 

Being the highest ranked program on any network, at roughly one-million regular viewers, is horrible when the goal is to complete with FOX News.  Olbermann’s ratings, thus MSNBC’s rankings, are there for all to see. 

O’Reilly reruns fair far better than Olbermann ever did.  Glenn Beck’s 5:00p.m. program, when a third of the country is driving and another third are still working or in school, does better than Olbermann regularly did.  If you locate a set of ratings which disputes these facts you should feel free to point us all in the right direction.  For the time being, however, you’ve nothing to argue with, Maani. 

If MSNBC wishes to compete, wishes to have a voice people will tune-in more regularly, a voice more people will turn to for analysis of current events, Olbermann had to go. - I hope NBC locates such a team.  Until they do you and others here will have to learn to live with the disappointment that VAST NUMBERS of people looked elsewhere for current events and/or entertainment.

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Food for thought: Rush Limbaugh is despised and hated by many amongst the 20% minority.  But with 20 million regular listeners his ratings are through the roof!  Sponsors line up.  All while Air America?  ....Crickets.

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By MarthaA, January 24, 2011 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

Maani, January 24 at 9:06 pm,

That’s the problem and my purpose for blogging is that others do have a tendency to believe their insurmountable amount of rhetoric with sophistry and EMOTIONAL binary false choice, as they do play their propaganda really well; all of them would make good used car salesmen, and it would be sad for the unwary, if their dealers were shady, like is happening to the American Populace with the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMISTS that they represent with their sophistry and propaganda.

One has to learn how to analyze their rhetoric, because when it is really EMOTIONAL with only a binary choice, it is a propaganda false choice.

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By Maani, January 24, 2011 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

GRYM:

Hmmmm…  I notice that you did a complete flip-flop, from claiming that KO was “let go” due to ratings, to admitting that he was the highest-rated program on MSNBC, and now blaming his departure on the fact that he did not have even MORE viewers.  Setting aside that you never offered a mea cupla for your original - incorrect - rant, your argument is a crock.  NBC would not have kept him if he had FIVE MILLION viewers; this is clear from new details of the split that are emerging each day.

Olbermann had more guts than any other MSNBC host (Maddow notwithstanding), and I would bet when he is finally allowed to talk about it (in ~9 months), we will find that this was a clear case of daring not only to speak truth to power, but to putting his money (literally) where his mouth is/was.

Martha:

I agree with you re the paid (and unpaid) trolls that have attempted to take over TD.  Of course, the best thing to do would be to simply ignore them (i.e., not respond to their posts), but I understand that if someone does not challenge their proto-fascist drivel, others here might think they have valid arguments, and not just regurgitation of right-wing talking points.

Peace.

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By MarthaA, January 24, 2011 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment

Maani, January 23 at 6:45 am,

Your January 23 at 6:45am post on this same thread to OzarkMichael as follows:

“OzarkMichael:

You are clearly not getting it.  Re-read Martha’s comment CAREFULLY and you will find that she is saying the exact OPPOSTITE of what you claim she is saying.  Her syntax may be…tortured (LOL), but her point is antithetical to what you are claiming.”

Maani ,  I appreciate you identifying OzarkMichael’s sophistry and propaganda, because that is all that it is, sophistry and propaganda, binary EMOTIONAL rhetoric and lies, which undoubtedly pays OzarkMichael’s living expenses.

The following is my post to ardee, who like OzarkMichael is another one of the paid Conservative Right-Wing propagandists that were hired to “misdirect, represent themselves as what they are not, and are only on Truthdig to distract and deflect, as ardee says in his post to me January 24 at 11:44 am, since people can only say what is in their own minds; every now and then what they are doing comes out, like saying all they need is “confidence without merit”, that they use “sophistry” and be concerned about others using “blood libel”, all of which the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST Movement does systematically and consistently against and to the Left; then consistently deny, obfuscate, placate, misdirect, distract and deflect:

<b>ardee posted: “But first we must rid ourselves of those who misdirect, represent themselves as what they are not, and are only here to distract and deflect.”

MarthaA’s Answer to ardee is the exact same for OzarkMichael: “We do need to rid ourselves of your type of PAID truth distorters, that posts exactly what you yourself and your cohorts do on this forum, as if what you have stated isn’t what you are up to, and you are not the only one.  There are numerous PAID propagandists on Truthdig Forum whose sole purpose is to consistently argue for the purpose of stopping any kind of legitimate political discourse that would benefit the Left, which is a Nazi tactic carried over from the original Hitler administration followers to the United States:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/263.html

You and your cohorts are sophist money bought boiler room posters in one way or another for a Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST PAID Mercenary type Boiler Room; therefore the binary emotional rhetoric and sophistry you put out is only that,  propaganda and lies to distort, confuse and stop legitimate political discourse.” —MarthaA, January 24 at 1:17 pm Truthdig Forum ‘Obama Pulls a Clinton’

The following film, “The American Ruling Class”,  by Lewis H. Lapham is about the class and culture of the Conservatives in the United States ruling class and it is the EXTREMISTS in that “American Ruling Class” that hate liberals that is causing the problem in the United States: 

http://www.hulu.com/watch/112523/the-american-ruling-class

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By MarthaA, January 24, 2011 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

Maani, January 23 at 6:45 am,

Your January 23 at 6:45am post on this same thread to OzarkMichael as follows:

“OzarkMichael:

You are clearly not getting it.  Re-read Martha’s comment CAREFULLY and you will find that she is saying the exact OPPOSTITE of what you claim she is saying.  Her syntax may be…tortured (LOL), but her point is antithetical to what you are claiming.”

Maani ,  I appreciate you identifying OzarkMichael’s sophistry and propaganda, because that is all that it is, sophistry and propaganda, binary EMOTIONAL rhetoric and lies, which undoubtedly pays OzarkMichael’s living expenses.

The following is my post to ardee, who like OzarkMichael is another one of the paid Conservative Right-Wing propagandists that were hired to misdirect, represent themselves as what they are not, and are only on Truthdig to distract and deflect, as ardee says in his post to me January 24 at 11:44 am, since people can only say what is in their own minds; every now and then what they are doing comes out, like saying all they need is “confidence without merit”, that they use “sophistry” and be concerned about others using “blood libel”, all of which the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST Movement does systematically and consistently against and to the Left; then consistently deny, obfuscate, placate, misdirect, distract and deflect:

<b>ardee posted: “But first we must rid ourselves of those who misdirect, represent themselves as what they are not, and are only here to distract and deflect.”

MarthaA’s Answer to ardee is the exact same for OzarkMichael: “We do need to rid ourselves of your type of PAID truth distorters, that posts exactly what you yourself and your cohorts do on this forum, as if what you have stated isn’t what you are up to, and you are not the only one.  There are numerous PAID propagandists on Truthdig Forum whose sole purpose is to consistently argue for the purpose of stopping any kind of legitimate political discourse that would benefit the Left, which is a Nazi tactic carried over from the original Hitler administration followers to the United States:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/263.html

You and your cohorts are sophist money bought boiler room posters in one way or another for a Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST PAID Mercenary type Boiler Room; therefore the binary emotional rhetoric and sophistry you put out is only that,  propaganda and lies to distort, confuse and stop legitimate political discourse.” —MarthaA, January 24 at 1:17 pm Truthdig Forum ‘Obama Pulls a Clinton’

The following film, “The American Ruling Class”,  by Lewis H. Lapham is about the class and culture of the Conservatives in the United States ruling class and it is the EXTREMISTS in that “American Ruling Class” that hate liberals that is causing the problem in the United States: 

http://www.hulu.com/watch/112523/the-american-ruling-class

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By Go Right Young Man, January 24, 2011 at 7:46 am Link to this comment

From Politico.

“When champagne-sipping partiers at NBC passed the word at Rockefeller Center Friday, the mood was more celebratory than sorrow. Olbermann may have been MSNBC’s big money maker, but his prima donna approach to his job outnumbered income from ad dollars.  Olbermann’s monumental ego, legendary temper-tantrums and diva-style demands destroyed morale at the network. Word of his departure sent cheers through the hallways of NBC.”

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By ardee, January 24, 2011 at 6:48 am Link to this comment

OzarkMichael,

We have few points in common, politically speaking. But we do share a loathing for the phonies, both alter egos Martha/Thomas, which one is she/he today? Add the excrement GRYM to the mix and one has an excellent fertilizer but not anything capable of truth.

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By skimohawk, January 24, 2011 at 12:03 am Link to this comment

I almost responded, but then I remembered someone telling me:
Never argue with a fool. People watching won’t be able to tell the difference.

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By OzarkMichael, January 23, 2011 at 11:17 pm Link to this comment

Only one of us has expressed the deathwish against the other. It was Martha/Thomas who said shoot them till they no longer wiggle

It is wrong to talk like that in American politics. It is dangerous and it is very bad. People could get hurt because of crazy talk like that.

Dont you care?

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By RayLan, January 23, 2011 at 10:26 pm Link to this comment

Martha
” Whether YOU know it or nor, the Left is 216,000,000 citizens of the United States, and in case you can’t read numbers farther than a couple digits, let me reiterate, there are 216 Million people that constitute the Left and that doesn’t include the toadys to the Right, and you are colossally ignorance to think the Left is dead. “
Read Chris Hedges - The Death of the Liberal Class - there is Left and there is nominal Left.

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By ThomasG, January 23, 2011 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, January 24 at 12:16 am and OzarkMichael, January 23 at 3:11 pm and OzarkMichael, January 23 at 12:05 am and OzarkMichael, January 23 at 5:30 am,

YOU people, Hitleresque Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMISTS, that engaged in “blood libel” from the time of Nixon, through Goldwater, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II to the present, will have to apologize for your own behavior before you have any standing to even ask for an apology from anyone. 

YOU people need to make the apology for your own behavior and have all of the rest of your NAZI sympathizer ilk apologize and listen to the sound of your own voice, if you want to hear an apology. 

When YOU and the rest of the Right-Wing ilk have spent ten times the time apologizing for the accusatory “blood libel” that the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMISTS have spent from the time of Nixon through Goldwater, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II accusing, condemning, denouncing and putting the Left in the cross hairs, you will have a measure of atonement for the reprehensible movement behavior of the Right, but not before.

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By OzarkMichael, January 23, 2011 at 9:26 pm Link to this comment

Martha/Thomas said: Congresswoman Giffords and a bunch of her constituents were gunned down in Arizona by members of Tea Party Right-Wing militants.

Which of us here at Truthdig hopes to shoot the political opposition? Not me. i never thought of such a thing, and I certainly never said it.

But Martha partakes of Hitler’s killing madness, with her “take them out and shoot them till they no longer wiggle

That is awful. It is wrong, it is madness, and it must be denounced.

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By ThomasG, January 23, 2011 at 8:32 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, January 24 at 12:16 am,

You, like YOUR Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST hero Glenn Beck and Hitler do like your sophistry and propagandistic inciteful talk about shooting people of the Left to the point that Congresswoman Giffords and a bunch of her constituents were gunned down in Arizona by members of Tea Party Right-Wing militants.  What would you and the few Right do if all the 216 Million people of the Left, not including the toadies, actually decided to turn on the ones actually doing the sophistry and propaganda against them, where would you toadies and all the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST propagandists of The American Ruling Class” hide?

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By OzarkMichael, January 23, 2011 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment

Someone said: Drop the hate and calm your fears.

Truthdiggers wont do that. Take for example Martha, who imagines a situation where I would be shot, simply because in her opinion I am similar to Hitler. And then was hateful enough to actually describe it in gory detail: take them out and shoot them till they no longer wiggle

And when i challenge her about talking like that, she had so much hate that instead of apologizing she includes more people on her list ‘who are just like adolf Hitler’ and who apparently deserve to be shot too:

Adolph Hitler was a Right-Wing EXTREMIST and that Conservative Republicans are also Right-Wing EXTREMISTS following the playbook of Adolph Hitler’s Mein Kampf, as a Right-Wing EXTREMIST Agenda.

No apologies from martha for her shooting talk, instead she extends her warped fantasy to all conservative Republicans. Why not conservative Democrats, Martha? Do you think it would be good someday to “Shoot them till they no longer wiggle”?

What the hell is wrong with you Martha? Think about what you are saying.

Did it ever occur to you that unstable people might read the crap you post and act on it someday?

You never apologized for it yet. Instead you are making it worse. You are worse than Glenn Beck.

Think about it, martha.

Take it back Martha. Clean up your gun shooting talk. Apologize and be done with it.

As for the rest, who pretend they dont know hate speech when they see it, you have proven that you are hypocrites when you complain of such things.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 23, 2011 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, - “You sir, are a fascist!” and all of you woul(l)d swoon.”

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We are in complete agreement regarding Aathram.  Those describe in Aathram’s many posts as murderous fascists, those to be jailed, “fairly” tried and promptly shot, apparently without appeal, describe all but the most EXTREME Left.

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Olbermann has freely admitted that he’s been fired from numerous positions for reasons of disputes with management.  Media accounts of the past four years have displayed ongoing friction between Mr. Olbermann and NBC executives.  Whether or not Olbermann displayed any habit of calling management idiots, I’m fairly certain it plays a role in his dismal ratings.  And, again, why did he never allow his narratives to be questioned on air?  Why never an opposing point of view?

Whatever the reasons when your flagship program fails to compete with O’Reilly reruns, what do you do?  You make a major change.

“You sir, are an idiotic, mass murdering, criminal, scrotum licking, racist, fascist” and all of you swoon.

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By MarthaA, January 23, 2011 at 5:33 pm Link to this comment

reynolds, January 23 at 5:34 pm,

Your answer is the same as my post to ITW January 23 at 2:49 pm on this thread.

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By MarthaA, January 23, 2011 at 5:23 pm Link to this comment

RayLan, January 23 at 7:48 pm,

RayLan said: “Keith is following in the funeral procession of what’s left of the Left.” —RayLan, January 23 at 7:48 pm

MarthaA’s Answer:  Whether YOU know it or nor, the Left is 216,000,000 citizens of the United States, and in case you can’t read numbers farther than a couple digits, let me reiterate, there are 216 Million people that constitute the Left and that doesn’t include the toadys to the Right, and you are colossally ignorance to think the Left is dead.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 23, 2011 at 5:15 pm Link to this comment

This is the absolute easiest subject in the Milky Way for most people to agree on.

Olbermann’s ratings are there for all to see.  They are not a secret.  The ratings are easy to digest and consider.  MSNBC’s flagship program enjoyed roughly 800,000 to 1.1 million regular viewers.  Catareing, of course, to the 20% of American voters who identify themselves as liberal.  Unfortunately it’s not easy to make money these days (cf. Air America) using a media platform which caters exclusively to 20% of consumers.

If Countdown had enjoyed a regular viewership of at least 2.2 million viewers, no matter how poorly he treats people, Olbermann would be secure in his position with Comcast and MSNBC.  Lose sight of that context, that reality, and one is left scrambling and searching for an explanation for his dismissal.  In other words, taking everything out of context.

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Many of you here need to own up to one simple and easy to understand premise.  The simple reality that it’s most of you whom make up the minority amongst the American public.  Know this, know this well, and the entire context of current events looks a great deal different.

Drop the hate and calm your fears.  A different world will open before you.  Olbermann is to the Right EXACTLY -Aathram- what Limbaugh is to the Left.  That’s the world calm and fair-minded human beings see and understand.

- One final note. This is simply my opinion.  If Olbermann had allowed opposing points of view on Countdown he likely would have reached nearer the 2.2M ratings he and GE needed to compete with FOX News.

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By MarthaA, January 23, 2011 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

More OzarkMichael sophistry and propaganda.

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By OzarkMichael, January 23, 2011 at 4:30 pm Link to this comment

Olbermann was good at what he did, namely vocalize Leftist bias. My favorite times were when he got a little excited. His mouth would foam up a little, and to keep from drooling he would pull the corners of his mouth in and sort of pucker his lips.

And then at the climax he would pronounce through pursed lips, “You sir, are a fascist!” or whatever nonsense he was leading up to.

Nothing wrong with that, he had a nice little opinion show, and although it wasnt good enough to compete with Fox, he had a following. I used to watch sometimes even though I disagreed with him. Entertaining. And it is free speech. At least he never suggested that his political opponents needed to be shot. So all was good.

But Olbermann moved out of his depth when he pretended to be a journalist, especially when he pretended that he was an anchorman. His little opinion show used the old intro theme from NBC news. But the theme music and the pretending were not enough.

Management gave Olbermann the anchor slot. That was the beginning of the end.

Olbermann stumbled when he was placed in a real live anchorman roll. He could not or would not dampen his bias(common problem for far-Leftists). When the situation called for him to present facts, he prounounced his opinion. When the time came for an objective summary of the event, he got a little agitated and the corners of his mouth drew in tight. So you knew he was working up to “You sir, are a fascist!”

Here was a guy who didnt seem to care if his bias showed or not. That summs up Keith Olbermann as an anchorman. I thought it was refreshing to see the Leftist mask of objectivity fall off so easily.

But the MSNBC audience did not tune in just to watch comedy. They wanted news coverage, and they trickled away. So not only was Olberman as anchorman an embarrassment to NBC news, he was also a ratings disaster.

MSNBC made a decision. They demoted Olberman a few years ago. He was made ‘co-anchor’ and you could see the tension this created. Keith was clearly presented as a mere analyst and not the expert journalist and capable anchorman.

Of course Leftists would say MSNBC demoted him because they are part of “the fascist conspiracy”. Well, Keith would probably agree. Imagine how he felt. Every event that required special coverage made it obvious to him that he was going nowhere, in his mind he was unjustly held back.

His career at MSNBC was on a downward trajectory. He became more difficult to work with, he was rude to staff. I dont think he was as happy with his show as he used to be. He was probably at odds with management too, but thats hard to know for sure.

I was surprised Olbermann stayed on as long as he did. Its a tribute to his theatrical flair and to his followers that he lasted this long.

Speaking of such: ITW commented that Olbermann is the heart of MSNBC. That may have been true at one time, but for the last few years it isnt true. A man who does not get the ‘recognition that he deserves’ from an organization cannot be the heart of that organization. Instead of being the glue that holds everyone together and gives them greater commitment, he became disruptive.

You can find some fault with it but my colorful, creative and insightful analysis, its probably closer to the truth than any of your tired “fascists are after us” theories.

I will miss Keith. Oh, there are still plenty of people who will call us conservatives “fascists”, so i dont miss him for just for that reason. It was the way he did it.  And you knew he was sincere about it because he would foam up and his mouth would draw tighter and tighter until finally:

“You sir, are a fascist!” and all of you wound swoon.

Good times.

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By RayLan, January 23, 2011 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment

Keith is following in the funeral procession of what’s left of the Left. It’s a wise albeit inevitable decision. Now the progressives have been successfully muted by corporate autocrats. Screw the First Amendment. It’s no secret that he is liberal and that’s a political position. The era of ‘objective’ neutral journalism has been over for decades. For the media Corps to clip his wings cause he’s political - is incredibly disengenuous. I’m wondering what his longevity would be if he moved like Obama to the right into the jaws of the Beast. Maybe NBC wants to adopt the standards of unbiased FOX courtesy. (LOL)

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By reynolds, January 23, 2011 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment

ubermann’s fans tend to be over the top. the bold
printed, cap locked, bombast does as much to defend
him as did his foghorn leghorn bullhorn bullshit did
to obscure his message.
if he was on the correct side of the argument, i
didn’t care to sit through the barrage to find out.
as i said, skerryrose; ‘however righteous’,
righteous, as in conforming with an accepted
morality.
even EXTREME AathraM!! thought he sqandered his
forum. i must (choke) agree with her.
when MYRG has your number, you might want to change
your number.

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By MarthaA, January 23, 2011 at 10:59 am Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, January 23 at 3:11 pm,

All your subjective rhetoric is never complete objective facts, because fact doesn’t matter in obfuscation, only untrue sophism, binary, and EMOTIONAL —— propaganda’s pattern ——and for what? ——Money, undoubtedly, from the Koch Brothers PAID Right-Wing Propaganda Boiler Room against liberals and anything liberal, or is it Rupert Murdoch that pays you?  Which Conservative Republican Right-Wing EXTREMIST pays you to cooperate in the obfuscation of dialog on Truthdig?  Are you one of the collaborators mentioned in the following video:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/1007.html

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By Inherit The Wind, January 23, 2011 at 10:55 am Link to this comment

MarthaA
That’s it, exactly.

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By OzarkMichael, January 23, 2011 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

Friends,

Martha directed this comment to me:

... if we have laws that criminalize YOUR’S and HITLER’S type of sophism, so that we can give those who practice Hitler’s type of sophism a fair trial and then either imprison them or take them out and shoot them til they no longer wiggle.

Maani, please explain how Martha’s syntax take them out and shoot them til they no longer wiggle suggests the opposite of shooting people like me till i am dead.

skimohawk, please explain how Martha’s hope for dead “Fascists” like me is different from Beck’s hope for dead “Communists”. It doesnt matter if you agree with her opinion about who is a Fascist in America, it doesnt matter if others agree with Beck about who is a Communist in America. Shooting talk is morally wrong no matter which political side it comes from.

Glenn Beck could do a whole weeks of programming proving that somebody is a “Communist”. Martha could do a weeks worth of posts about who is a “Fascist”. That is not the point!

Dont you understand that Beck and Martha cross the line when they verbalize their judgement that their political opponents need to be shot?

Or maybe you are in favor of political shooting talk. Maybe you dont care what might happen to innocent people because of it.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 23, 2011 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

Maybe TD will pick up him up as a contributing analyst so that things can get back to normal?

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By MarthaA, January 23, 2011 at 9:49 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, January 23 at 2:17 pm,

Keith Olberman represented the Left better than most and him being forced to sign a “non compete” definitely makes it plain that he was removed because he was doing too well at competition with the Right; he wasn’t having a ratings problem as the Right wants to purport, but he was pulling too many “hearts and minds” away and out of the Right-Wing’s propaganda machine ran by Rupert Murdoch’s Hitleresque FOX News Network of Glenn Beck ilk; a blatant flaunt of Right-Wing socialism at the expense of the Left.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 23, 2011 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

EXTREME AathraM!! - “Neither Phil Donahue nor Keith Olberman had a problem with ratings.”

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I am sure you are correct.  I’m sure Donahue and Olberman had EXTREMELY high, thru-the-roof, ratings.  I’m sure both General Electric and MSNBC were just being EXTREMELY kind and EXTREMELY humble by keeping the EXTREME ratings to themselves.

I’m sure Donahue and Olbermann are such good people, no, not simply good, but EXTREMELY good people, they simply didn’t wish to injure their competitors sense of self-worth by broadcasting their own respective EXTREMELY high ratings.  As every good person knows competition breeds EXTREME behaviors.

Thank you, AathraM.  My EXTREME gratitude for setting me straight.

My EXTREME good wishes that you have an EXTREMELY good day.

With EXTREME sincerity,

MYRG

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By Inherit The Wind, January 23, 2011 at 9:17 am Link to this comment

MarthaA:
If you read the article carefully, it’s clear KO was forced to sign what’s called a “non-compete” so getting a show for now is off the table.  It all depends on how long the non-compete agreement lasts.

I doubt it prevents him from writing op-ed pieces.  Maybe TD will pick up him up as a contributing analyst?

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By MarthaA, January 23, 2011 at 1:59 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, January 22 at 11:20 pm,

Neither Phil Donahue nor Keith Olberman had a problem with ratings.  Keith needs to get a show on Free Speech TV, as does Phil Donahue.

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By reynolds, January 23, 2011 at 1:58 am Link to this comment

krose; says you. it’s an opinion. feel free to stop
reading anytime.

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By Maani, January 23, 2011 at 1:45 am Link to this comment

OzarkMichael:

You are clearly not getting it.  Re-read Martha’s comment CAREFULLY and you will find that she is saying the exact OPPOSTITE of what you claim she is saying.  Her syntax may be…tortured (LOL), but her point is antithetical to what you are claiming.

GRYM:

Re my poll claim, Eugene Robinson (I think) did me the favor and included them in his most recent post.  In the meantime, you have still not provided any support for your claims of KO’s behavior, either in general or to his staff.

Peace.

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By skimohawk, January 23, 2011 at 1:35 am Link to this comment

GRYM writes:
“Phil Donahue was let go at MSNBC, not for speaking truth to power, he was let go because what he was saying both on and off the air regarding the Iraq situation was widely unpopular at the time.  Ratings!! It’s not a conspiracy.”

Widely unpopular? Where?
Among the manic crowds chanting “USA!USA!” in unison, refusing to examine the “WMD” claims?

Buddy… some of us were fully aware the whole thing was a farce from the morning of 9-11.
I’m sorry you are among those who were duped. ( * )

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Ozark:
While I agree with you that the sort of incitement to violence aired by Beck ( or blog posters ) isn’t really appropriate in what hopes to be a rational discussion, I have to wonder if you’re willfully missing the point:
The DIRECT connection between the Bush family and the NSDAP.

Go Google: Prescott Bush, Averill Harriman, George Herbert Walker
The stuff you need to read is NOT on Wikipedia. Dig deeper.

Cheers!

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( * kindly explain how you land a Boeing 757 inside a building and all trace of airplane, dead bodies, and the 9,000 miles of electrical wire inside that plane just magically VANISHES into thin air. )

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By MarthaA, January 23, 2011 at 1:19 am Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, January 23 at 5:30 am,

Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are on National television advocating extrajudicial murder of the Left, Democrats, liberals, etc.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/glenn-beck-told-viewers-june-shoot-dems-in-head/?utm_source=Raw+Story+Daily+Update&utm_campaign=522f3707de-1_21_111_21_2011&utm_medium=email

I have NEVER advocated extrajudicial murder of anyone, and I find it repugnant that YOU PEOPLE of the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMISTS ilk make a habit of advocating extrajudicial murder and crediting YOUR bad behavior in this respect to others.

I believe in fair trials, are you against Capital Punishment after a fair trial, or what?

Do you feel that you as a Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST are above the law?

You must feel that as a Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST that YOU are above the law, otherwise YOU would not be whining so much about the performance of Capital Punishment by the State after due process, determination and verdict of guilt that can and does happen all the time.

When the State performs Capital Punishment it is performed for conviction of a crime of capital offense and the sentence is carried out until the one being executed no longer wiggles as determined by competent medical authority; do you have a problem with this?  If so, I suggest that you take it up with the State, which is the one that would be doing the execution until the convict no longer wiggles.

BTW, How’s that Boiler Room thing going for you, haven’t heard much from you lately.

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By OzarkMichael, January 23, 2011 at 12:30 am Link to this comment

Both Martha and Beck demonize and talk about shooting their political opponents. But this is America and we should not appeal to violence as we argue politics.

Glenn Beck talks about shooting people he calls communists. Martha talks about shooting people she calls fascists(namely me).

Here is the link to Martha’s shameful shooting talk

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/20090826_hitlers_delusions_of_artistic_grandeur/P0/#264326


Here is the tail end of the quote. Martha is talking to me:

... if we have laws that criminalize YOUR’S and HITLER’S type of sophism, so that we can give those who practice Hitler’s type of sophism a fair trial and then either imprison them or take them out and shoot them til they no longer wiggle.

I think its wrong to talk like that. Too much gun waving and threats from people like Glenn Beck and Martha are polluting our politics.

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By bEHOLD_tHE_mATRIX, January 22, 2011 at 11:55 pm Link to this comment
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GadflyRentlentlesslyYappingMuddle
(heretofore ungraciously referred to as GRYM)

A very special quote just for you by a very educated fellow that knew your type well.

“A man who has both feet planted firmly in the air can be safely called a liberal as opposed to the conservative, who has both feet firmly planted in his mouth.”
~Jacques Barzun

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By MarthaA, January 22, 2011 at 11:32 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, January 23 at 12:05 am,

Here is the Bush Family and Fox News Glenn Beck link again, surely you can see the similarities—see Beck’s swastika: 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/glenn-beck-told-viewers-june-shoot-dems-in-head/?utm_source=Raw+Story+Daily+Update&utm_campaign=522f3707de-1_21_111_21_2011&utm_medium=email


http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/263.html

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By MarthaA, January 22, 2011 at 11:14 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, January 23 at 12:05 am,

Here is my exact post, not out of context:

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By MarthaA, August 31, 2009 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael,

We are not talking here about anything other than what YOU did.

We should have laws passed that make this kind of sophism illegal, so that what happened in Nazi Germany cannot happen here in the United States and it won’t if we have laws that criminalize YOUR’S and HITLER’S type of sophism, so that we can give those who practice Hitler’s type of sophism a fair trial and then either imprison them or take them out and shoot them til they no longer wiggle.

*****************************************

I was wondering where this was; I thank you for re-posting the thread, ‘Hitler’s Delusions of Artistic Grandeur’ as a reminder that Adolph Hitler was a Right-Wing EXTREMIST and that Conservative Republicans are also Right-Wing EXTREMISTS following the playbook of Adolph Hitler’s Mein Kampf, as a Right-Wing EXTREMIST Agenda.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/263.html

“The parallels between Bush and Hitler are obvious and impossible to deny despite the whining of the right wing lunatic fringe (Fox News.) [http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/glenn-beck-told-viewers-june-shoot-dems-in-head/?utm_source=Raw+Story+Daily+Update&utm_campaign=522f3707de-1_21_111_21_2011&utm_medium=email]

* Hitler engaged in intimidation and fraud to “win” elections

* Hitler’s office had an “open door” policy for any corporate criminal who was willing to support him financially

* Hitler used fabricated evidence to justify attacking and occupying other countries

* Hitler looted the wealth of other countries, German government resources and German citizens to finance his operations.

* Hitler manufactured terrorist threats and used these threats to rationalize the development of a police state including the loss of fundamental citizen rights and the build of a vast interment camps.

And on and on it goes.

There’s a reason these similarities between Bush and Hitler that go far beyond the predictable patterns of human psychopathology…

The Bush family had a long and deep involvement with the Nazi movement. Since then, the Bush family has surrounded itself with allies, advisers and agents who emulate Nazi values.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/263.html

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By Go Right Young Man, January 22, 2011 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment

bEHOLD_tHE_mATRIX, - “Whatever the venue Keith finds himself in in the future I pray he will continue to out the right for their hypocrisy and lust for power and wealth at the expense of the less fortunate with continued passion and sting.”

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GREAT POST, Mr. Olbermann! 

A terrific post.  I’m certain you will be remembered in all of human history.  Come back often.

wink

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By bEHOLD_tHE_mATRIX, January 22, 2011 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment
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As a faithful fan of his show I will truly miss Keith.  His voice was needed to counterbalance the unscrupulous rancor of the far right from the likes of Hannity, Beck, O’Reilly and others of FOX News and elsewhere.

His Special Comments will surely be societal markers of our times.

He lent a forceful voice in behalf of the less fortunate and disfranchised among us and let the chips fall as they may unapologetically.

His opposition to the immoral and internationally illegal Bush/Cheney/Addington/Yu/Gonzales policies of lies to war, special rendition, prisoner abuse and torture, the illegal outing of an undercover CIA agent, the stifling of the investigation into the 911 attacks, the neutering or the EPA and other regulatory agencies, election irregularities in the presidential elections of 2000 and 2004, the Rove politicization of the state level U.S. Attorneys’ positions for the purpose of Republican dominance and other nefarious issues sets a stellar example for progressive journalists of the future.

Whatever the venue Keith finds himself in in the future I pray he will continue to out the right for their hypocrisy and lust for power and wealth at the expense of the less fortunate with continued passion and sting.

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By OzarkMichael, January 22, 2011 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA points out that Glenn Beck said something about shooting people over their political views. No matter what the reasoning, shooting talk is always wrong, there is no excuse for it. Shame on Glenn Beck.

But for MarthaA to be the one complaining about it is like the pot calling the kettle black.

Martha threatened Tea Party conservatives last year. She threatened or wished to “shoot them til they no longer wiggle

She said that here on Truthdig one year ago. To this day she hasnt taken it back. I gave her lots of chances. She wont say she is sorry, she wont say that she made a mistake. All she does is start attacking more.

Here is the link to Martha’s shameful shooting talk

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/20090826_hitlers_delusions_of_artistic_grandeur/P0/#264326

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By Go Right Young Man, January 22, 2011 at 6:20 pm Link to this comment

Maani,

I have never chastised you for not sharing a source of information.  I did, however, recently request some background on poll numbers so that I may look it up myself.  You chose not to do that.

As far as Olbermann being let go or resigning:  Olbermann’s statement last evening included his description of being told that the Jan. 21 Countdown would be his last. - According to Howard Kurts, after the ComCast deal was approved by the FCC, a Company “official” stated very clearly that Olbermann would be let go.

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Ratings!  Olbermann didn’t have them.  It’s not a conspiracy nor a surprise.  ComCast will air a sleeping Llama if enough people tune in.

On average Countdown enjoyed a meager 800,000 to 1.1 Million viewers.  O’Reilly’s FOX News 5:00a reruns enjoys better ratings.  ComCast, not unlike nearly every company on the planet, is in business to make money.  Olbermann chose a career dependent almost entirely on ratings.

If more Americans chose to tune into Olbermann, for whatever reason, he would be on the set on Monday morning.  No matter the reported preening. Or how abusive he was to underlings. The American cable viewing public, for whatever reason, choose to look elsewhere for a narrative on current events.  If ComCast, through MSNBC, wants to compete with FOX News, Olbermann had to go.

Obviously MSNBC is about to make significant changes.  Beyond, I suspect, shifting the talent around.  Hopefully a small group of highly rated liberal talent can be found to replace the current fold. - MSNBC absolutely must start presenting opposing points of view. If they do not, their ratings will continue in the neighborhood of anemic.

SPECIAL COMMENT:  Phil Donahue was let go at MSNBC, not for speaking truth to power, he was let go because what he was saying both on and off the air regarding the Iraq situation was widely unpopular at the time.  Ratings!!  It’s not a conspiracy.

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By kerryrose, January 22, 2011 at 5:23 pm Link to this comment

Reynolds

Get a clue before you sound off.  Limbaugh is a bigot and a racist.  Olbermann is neither of those things.  That is an important difference right there.

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By nikto, January 22, 2011 at 4:53 pm Link to this comment
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American fascists are celebrating today.

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By berniem, January 22, 2011 at 4:34 pm Link to this comment

Can Maddow be far behind? Those of you out there who believe that a free and balanced press is essential to the existence of a democracy throw your support behind LinkTV and fight for it’s expanded availabilty for all. PBS and NPR have been compromised and become a sham and the “threat” of defunding by the fascist elements in our corrupt govt. is nothing but a red herring to dupe the public into thinking that there actually exists an alternative to the MSM. Of course if you believe the propaganda spewing from Beck, Coulter, Limbaugh, et al nothing will open your eyes until empire consumes you to feed it’s insatiable greed! FREE BRADLEY MANNING!!!!!

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By Maani, January 22, 2011 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

Ohiolibgal:

“O’Donnell won’t annoy the Ruling Class nearly as much as Keith because Lawrence is a Washington insider akin to Bill Press.”

Then you obviously didn’t see O’Donnell’s tete-a-tete with Rep. Trent Franks re gun control.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/

GRYM:

“Olbermann’s vain and undisciplined persona, making him difficult to work with as part of a team, won him the reputation as a prima donna.  Interns at MSNBC notoriously found it extremely difficult to work with Olbermann.  He seemed to take the same pleasure in belittling young interns as he did in looking at the camera and calling everyone who disagreed with him “an idiot”.”

Given that you recently chasitised me for not providing support for a statement I made, please provide support for this.

All:

As a general matter, there is a great deal of speculation going on here, since none of us knows the exact details.  However, one clear - and possibly faulty - assumption being made is that Olbermann was “fired,” rather than “resigned” of his own accord.  I think the latter is as likely as the former, Comcast notwithstanding.

That said, my guess is that there is a “gag” order (non-disclosure agreement) re his leaving, since, at very least, Comcast-NBC would have had to buy him out of the last two years of his contract (and probably even added a bonus).  In this regard, it will be VERY interesting (if possibly moot) to hear from him EXACTLY what went down, when he is finally allowed to do so.

Peace.

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By Allan Krueger, January 22, 2011 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

I would put my money of this: Olbermann has serious health problems. If you saw the live program, following Obama’s speech from Arizona, you may know what I am talking about. He was having problems speaking and thinking…

Having said that, my other bet is that the news owners of NBC, Comcast, are in bed with FUX News… and this could have been their first move to get rid of the last vestiges of progressive media!

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By MarthaA, January 22, 2011 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment

After this documented Bush information became known:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/263.html

Could it be that the Right, who own MSNBC, was insuring that Kieth Olbermann didn’t get the word out to the Left, because Olbermann has been doing an incredible job of leveling the field between the Right and the Left, now all the Left has is Rachael Maddow for balance against all the Nazi propagandists of the EXTREME Right FOX News Network’s “You’re Going to Have to Shoot Them in the Head” Glenn Beck ilk http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/glenn-beck-told-viewers-june-shoot-dems-in-head/?utm_source=Raw+Story+Daily+Update&utm_campaign=522f3707de-1_21_111_21_2011&utm_medium=email .

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By JimBob, January 22, 2011 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

Another loud and independen­t voice, not afraid to speak truth to power, is silenced by the corporatio­ns that increasing­ly dominate our lives. Remember the beginning of the original “Terminato­r”? The big machines, all shiny chrome, that had taken over the world? It’s a metaphor, folks—the big, shiny, menacing machines who Want It All are in reality the money-grub­bing corporate interests who rule us as surely as the kings of old.

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By gerard, January 22, 2011 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

Seems the TV moguls are all supportive of the wildest flights of freedom of speech—as long as the birds use only one wing.

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By thebeerdoctor, January 22, 2011 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment

Since most of what is being posted here is speculation, the Go Right Young Man informs me that Olbermann had extreme left wing views. Obviously that canard has proven effective, but says nothing about ohiolibgal’s accurate assertion that Phil Donahue was dropped from the Microsoft General Electric network, for actually having the temerity to question the validity and authority of those war mongers who have murdered so many, in the name of strategic policies. And it was true that Phil Donahue’s program on MSNBC was the highest rated at the time it was canceled.
No, this is not about money or “marketplace” or any of the other nonsense. This is about the collective egotism of corporate power. TMZ.com said as much recently, by stating that that the brass at Comcast had as their first objective, to ko KO as soon as possible. Gossip you say? Not likely when you consider the vindictive nature of so-called corporate culture.
Perhaps Keith Olbermann was doomed after he made a special comment concerning President Obama’s capitulation to the ultra wealthy in the form of continual tax cuts. Attacking the rich is something not allowed in this country, even if you are a highly paid jester, as Olbermann mostly certainly was.
But the people who complain about Olbermann are now free to imbibe all their fantasies about Corporate America’s greatness without any visible objections.

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