When asked what would happen if he was “taken out,” either physically or technically, WikiLeaks chief Julian Assange said in an online chat that more than 100,000 people have encrypted copies of leaked material and “if something happens to us, the key parts will be released automatically.”
Assange also maintained that not “a single person has come to harm as a result of our activities,” and that he wished to go home, but cannot because his government was working to hand him over to the Americans “merely so that Australian politicians and diplomats can be invited to the best U.S. Embassy cocktail parties.” —PZS
Julian Assange and various chatters on the Guardian website:
Fwoggie
I’ll start the ball rolling with a question. You’re an Australian passport holder. Would you want return to your own country or is this now out of the question due to potentially being arrested on arrival for releasing cables relating to Australian diplomats and polices?
Julian Assange:
I am an Australian citizen and I miss my country a great deal. However, during the last weeks the Australian prime minister, Julia Gillard, and the attorney general, Robert McClelland, have made it clear that not only is my return is impossible but that they are actively working to assist the United States government in its attacks on myself and our people. This brings into question what does it mean to be an Australian citizen. Does that mean anything at all? Or are we all to be treated like David Hicks at the first possible opportunity merely so that Australian politicians and diplomats can be invited to the best US embassy cocktail parties.
[...]
Daithi
Have you released, or will you release, cables (either in the last few days or with the Afghan and Iraq war logs) with the names of Afghan informants or anything else like so? Are you willing to censor (sorry for using the term) any names that you feel might land people in danger from reprisals?? By the way, I think history will absolve you. Well done!!!
Julian Assange:
WikiLeaks has a four-year publishing history. During that time there has been no credible allegation, even by organisations like the Pentagon that even a single person has come to harm as a result of our activities. This is despite much-attempted manipulation and spin trying to lead people to a counter-factual conclusion. We do not expect any change in this regard.
[...]
rajiv1857
Hi. Is the game that you are caught up in winnable? Technically, can you keep playing hide and seek with the powers that be when services and service providers are directly or indirectly under government control or vulnerable to pressure like Amazon? Also, if you get “taken out”—and that could be technical, not necessarily physical—what are the alternatives for your cache of material? Is there a ‘second line’ of activists in place that would continue the campaign? Is your material ‘dispersed’ so that taking out one cache would not necessarily mean the end of the game?
Julian Assange:
The Cable Gate archive has been spread, along with significant material from the US and other countries to over 100,000 people in encrypted form. If something happens to us, the key parts will be released automatically. Further, the Cable Gate archives is in the hands of multiple news organisations. History will win. The world will be elevated to a better place. Will we survive? That depends on you.
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By konsyltacii, December 22, 2010 at 11:50 am Link to this comment
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Droits inalienables de l’homme.
Rechte des Menschen.
Inalienable human rights.
For lawyers, attorneys Julian Paul Assange from WikiLeaks.
I think that Americans must remember, what people wrote their Constitution, what country they dreamed about, must remember about Bill of Rights.
Necessary to protect not only the rights of women, but as it turns out, and the rights of men.
Report thisBy konsyltacii, December 22, 2010 at 11:49 am Link to this comment
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Droits inalienables de l’homme.
Rechte des Menschen.
Inalienable human rights.
The basis of legal protection, Mr. Julian Paul Assange of WikiLeaks could be justification for its compliance with existing international law and fundamental human rights (including this and the right to know who controls the people and what they as an intellectual, moral or and professional level, in so far as regards their ability to regulate public social processes).
In addition, there is legal justification of his right not to disclose sources of information, if released information corresponds to reality and affects the basic rights of many people.
Regarding of formal charges, Julian Paul Assange (Julian Paul Assange) from WikiLeaks: judging by the charges against him (published in the online information), it probably is not the accused should be, it is likely the victim, because of the very essence of the charges it is clear that it is the actual discrimination and baseless carping from the opposite side, having little to do with human rights and simple logic.
If it is true what is written on the Internet, Julian Paul Assange got into this situation by formally put forward claims of activists of the feminist movement, which I think is unreasonable requirements, violating his rights as a person. Formally put forward the claim to be in violation, in my opinion, international law and established international human rights law, even in Sweden and have such laws, so distorting the relationship between men and women. Human rights can not be waived or prohibited by national law any country - is repealing the Human Rights Act would be unlawful. The discussion should not abuse the rights and on equality - it means respect for the equal rights of men and their parity, negotiation of reciprocal rights with mutual responsibilities. Me it seems to that in this case is present abuse of right, overstatement of rights for one side due to the illegal diminishing of rights for other side. Therefore, even if in terms of morality, not really nice to meet two girls, from the point of view of the law - he is innocent, if they met voluntarily and without violence.
I do not understand the position of the Australian Government. Julian Paul Assange, if I understood correctly, is the citizen of Australia, a prosecution was pulled out him in one country, detained in other country. The government of Australia is not interested in the fate of an Australian citizen and it does not want to fulfill their responsibilities to protect its citizens?
http://blogs.pravda.ru/users/3039108/blog
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For lawyers, attorneys Julian Paul Assange from WikiLeaks.
I think that Americans must remember, what people wrote their Constitution, what country they dreamed about, must remember about Bill of Rights.
Necessary to protect not only the rights of women, but as it turns out, and the rights of men.
Report thisBy Peter Knopfler, December 7, 2010 at 11:56 pm Link to this comment
They say He has a backup plan, I hope Not you don´t
Report thisbackup in Jail. Public should save Julian! and not wait
until washington gets thyeir toture hands on his frail
body. The Australia should be outraged, Assange a
Aussie citizen, what happen Aussi lost their spunk.
By cruxpuppy, December 7, 2010 at 10:16 pm Link to this comment
JA is a very cool character, a refined, somewhat delicate looking chap, a romantic poet with a titanium spinal chord. I wonder how he’s going to hold up under torture when the global fascists shoot nano truth-bots into his brain. Has he got a cyanide capsule in one of his molars for terminal emergencies? Is anyone selling t-shirts with his mug on them? I’d get me one so long as part of the cost went to his defense.
Report thisBy gerard, December 7, 2010 at 4:37 pm Link to this comment
From today’s London Guardian: “5.30pm: With perfect timing an email arrives from Philip Crowley at the state department:
The United States is pleased to announce that it will host Unesco’s World Press Freedom Day event in 2011, from 1-3 May in Washington, DC.
Ironic? Read the next paragraph from the press release:
The theme for next year’s commemoration will be 21st Century Media: New Frontiers, New Barriers. The United States places technology and
innovation at the forefront of its diplomatic and development efforts. New media has empowered citizens around the world to report on their circumstances, express opinions on world events, and exchange information in environments sometimes hostile to such exercises of individuals’ right to freedom of expression. At the same time, we are concerned about the determination of some governments to censor and silence individuals, and to restrict the free flow of information. We mark events such as World Press Freedom Day in the context of our enduring commitment to support and expand press freedom and the free flow of information in this digital age.
Shameless. You really could not make it up.”
Report thisBy sallysense, December 7, 2010 at 3:31 pm Link to this comment
just wanna share this further note concerning wikileaks support and regarding certain credit card shutdown announcements…
a shutdown is in the works… but it hasn’t actually closed the process yet… (although the media may want it to appear otherwise… who knows ?)... anyway… there’s a time frame of opportunity between the two… so get your donations in while ya can!... (mine did indeed go through!)... the best of wishes’n’ways’n’todays to each’n'everyone!...
http://wikileaks.ch
Report thisBy fearnotruth, December 7, 2010 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment
RE: By glider, December 7 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment
Fear-no-lie,
Seeing as Julian has now been arrested for extradition, which I believe is highly
unusual for trumped up charges of consensual sex without a condemn, you will
need to amend your pack of character assassination directed innuendo. There
are two logical explanations for your behavior. It is consistent with a Psyops
Operation or a Nutcase Operation. Your claims taken at face value suggest the
later which is consistent with the detachment from reality that an unemployed
artist type might suffer from. You never have had to suffer from illogical crazy
conclusions applied to data.
glider, please don’t take this personally, and I won’t either. You know I’ve in no
way engaged in “character assassination directed innuendo.” I ask questions
and point to sources I see may be pertinent - again, taking exception with
sources and analysis is sensible - gratuitous ad-hominem invective is not
Again - my ‘opinion’ is only this: look deeper, e.g.
http://tinyurl.com/26tlhwx
TIMING OF THE “YO-YO” RAPE CHARGES SUSPECT
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
Julian Assange, of Wikileaks fame, was arrested today in Britain. He faces
extradition to Sweden for charges of sexual assault. Assange has indicted he
will fight extradition.
On a more curious and conspiratorial note, the Assange arrest is in the middle
of the “news cycle downswing” of the Wikileak which has divided the journalist
community. The third “dump” has received considerable attention for what was
not “dumped,” and brought even more light on earlier Wikileaks which have now
become suspect. Journalists either love Assange or believe he is a spy, part of a
“psy-op” that is manipulating the press, partially through the convenient
timing, not just of this arrest but earlier threats as well.
All have been timed to Wikileak “dumps” and all have had timing that makes
Report thisthem appear carefully choreographed to extend news coverage, raise
controversy and add credibility to material which has been characterized as
“seeded” by intelligence agencies with an agenda to discredit Islamic nations,
push for war with Iran and derail Middle East peace efforts.
By M L, December 7, 2010 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment
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Who does the punishment when governments break the law?
Report thisLies are being exposed appealing to the public jury with the power of truth.
Stay safe Julian Assange
By glider, December 7, 2010 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment
Fifty Gigs,
I am assuming you are cool with 100,000 innocent dead due to American Government lies, but are upset about the possibility of a single death as the result of the measures Assange is making to prevent such mass murders.
If I got that right I say screw you!
Report thisBy Anarcissie, December 7, 2010 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment
FiftyGigs, before you fault Assange for harming a single person, you have to account for the three million or so people the U.S. government has killed, plus the millions maimed, terrorized, tortured, and impoverished by the U.S. government’s business as usual. This is not an enterprise with a lot of moral standing, regardless of whether you voted for it. People have voted for all kinds of evil things, as I’m sure you know.
Since you’re fond of voting, you ought also to come up with a theory of how people are supposed to vote intelligently if they are not allowed to know what’s going on.
Report thisBy sallysense, December 7, 2010 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment
just made another donation to wikileaks a few minutes ago… (a $10.00 euro donation cost $13.32 us)...
http://wikileaks.ch
wikileaks deserves our support!... (they have my support!)...
the truth needs to be exposed!... the documents and cables reiterate what goes on behind the scenes in losses of human lives and resources due to power plays based mainly on illusion and carried out with deceptive practices!... and these things need to be made known!... especially for the sake of human lives and resources and the future!...
it saddens me to see the mentalities that don’t know any better call for harm to be done to julian assange… clearly he’s a factor for change towards an age of more awareness in what’s going on!... and our world needs this now more than ever!...
(when representatives of a government rely on a system of deception to get things done… it’s that deceptive system itself which should be its citizens’ biggest fear!)...
“let facts be submitted to a candid world”... (from the united states “declaration of independence”)...
the best of wishes’n'ways’n'todays for the sake of saving human lives and resources and more!...
(had posted this elsewhere and just wanna share it here too)...
Report thisBy pathman25, December 7, 2010 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment
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Nice bit of censoring comments here. WTF?
Report thisBy writeon, December 7, 2010 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment
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Assange and Wikileaks has to be destroyed as an example to others not to reveal the true nature of our democracy; which is… that it isn’t really a democracy at all, but has evolved or degenerated into something else.
That something else could be described as an oligarchy. Or a new form of fuedalism. Some might even suggest that it’s fascism, but that might be too harsh. What pretty obvious, is that the power of the state has merged with the power of the corporations to create a new, integrated, and very powerful whole. A colossus that towers over ordinary people like a giant. One could define it as the corporate state, which in its very essence and structure, is nowhere near democratic.
But all that is pretty abstract and wordy isn’t it?
I prefer to think of our system as looking remarkably like the movie, The Godfather, only it’s grown explosively, and the Dons aren’t carving up towns and cities, what they call “territory”, they are carving up whole countries, continents, and the world.
Our “democractic” leaders are merely fronts for the Mob, like crooked politicians, judges, journalists, policemen in The Godfather. The Mob in the movie are equivalent to our ruling class. The 1% of the population who own or control most of the weatlh of the country, basically they are robber barrons and the rest of us are being reduced to the importance of peasants, only because we produce so little these days we’re probably less valuable than old-style peasants, therefore most of us are no longer necessary, which means we have become expendable. That is important to remember and will have profound implications going forward.
Obviously I’m not describing anything remotely resembling a traditional, bourgeois democracy; that’s because that era is over, kaput! We’ve still got a lot of the democratic ritual around, but the subtance of democracy has been gutted over the last few decades, so that only a hollow husk remains.
A lot of the material released by Wikileaks is like listening in on the private conversations, plans, reports about “territory” circulating among the Dons, which is really what they are. We’re living in the middle of gigantic, world-encmpassing, criminal conspiracy, and that is all imperialist capitalism ever was.
Report thisBy pathman25, December 7, 2010 at 10:49 am Link to this comment
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Hey FiftyGigs, our government is killing people every damn day. You’ve got no problem with that as long as it’s the scary brown people, right? Oh please Mr. government man, save me from the brown horde that is coming to take my freedoms. That about sum it up for you?
Report thisBy Jim Yell, December 7, 2010 at 10:33 am Link to this comment
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Our self appointed masters want us to believe that they have the right to hide their crimes from us. Telling us that things are Top Secret and on and on is like having an Accountant who tells us they can’t give us the information about our money, because they need to keep it a secret to protect us from knowing our own business.
Free Assange and arrest the real traitors Bush/Cheney and others.
Report thisBy Rosemary Molloy, December 7, 2010 at 9:35 am Link to this comment
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I just sent a check to the Wikileaks defence (Aussies spell funny) Fund and I wish it could have been a million times more. LOVE the phrase “The man is a pure hero to the free press” by James H. YES! He’s my hero, too.
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By RayLan, December 7, 2010 at 9:02 am Link to this comment
Assange has an nuclear Ace up his sleeve - what he revealed was only a secret to the general public and wasn’t lethal in any significant way. All it blew up was the bullshit and corruption of foreign policy games. If his life is endangered their will be a real shit storm when he releases what he threatened to.
Report thisBy FiftyGigs, December 7, 2010 at 8:47 am Link to this comment
“... he wished to go home, but cannot because his government was working to hand him over to the Americans “merely so that Australian politicians and diplomats can be invited to the best U.S. Embassy cocktail parties.””
Screw you.
So, nobody’s been hurt because of what you did, huh. Pretty sure of that, are you?
And what happens when someone is hurt? Oh, your bad?
Do I get a vote in not letting this stuff out? No?
Freedom, to you, is your being allowed to anything you want, and, as long as you “mean well”, to be excused from any effect your behavior has on others.
That’s totalitarianism.
Report thisBy glider, December 7, 2010 at 8:18 am Link to this comment
Fear-no-lie,
Seeing as Julian has now been arrested for extradition, which I believe is highly unusual for trumped up charges of consensual sex without a condemn, you will need to amend your pack of character assassination directed innuendo. There are two logical explanations for your behavior. It is consistent with a Psyops Operation or a Nutcase Operation. Your claims taken at face value suggest the later which is consistent with the detachment from reality that an unemployed artist type might suffer from. You never have had to suffer from illogical crazy conclusions applied to data.
Report thisBy fearnotruth, December 7, 2010 at 6:39 am Link to this comment
RE: I see the State Dept and Obama administration is hard at work
spreading more propaganda in the form of pseudo-members like fearnotruth.
The real moniker is tellnotruth!
Nope - seeing it wrong - the closest I ever got to a gov-agency payday is a
food-stamp ration, some Basic Educational Opportunity Grants back in the 70’s
and more recently the occasional artist grant - I’m as anti-authoritarian as
anyone here - been looking into contrary views on this because the thing don’t
smell right - why not ask yourself if this might somehow be pertinent - no
jail time, 25 charges, NORTEL, NASA, et al?
Mr. Assange was spared a jail sentence in 1995 after admitting 25 charges of
hacking into computer networks including the Canadian communications firm
Nortel.
Ken Day, who headed the Operation Weather investigation into Mr Assange’s
circle of hackers, told The Daily Telegraph: “Ego is a big part of who he is. The
challenge to win. I think that’s important to him as a person. He wouldn’t give
up on a system he was trying to break into, he was very persistent.”
Police in Australia first came across Mr Assange following an “audacious” attack
on Nasa’s computer in 1989 for which he was a suspect. The gang was so
cocky that it monitored the police investigating it, and even left messages for
detectives on their police computers.
Fining him 2,100 Australian dollars in December 1995, Judge Leslie Ross, at
Melbourne’s County Court, said he believed Mr Assange was driven by a desire
to be “empowered” by his access to high security files.
http://tinyurl.com/2f35goa - http://www.telegraph.co.uk
Report thisBy TheHandyman, December 7, 2010 at 4:31 am Link to this comment
I see the State Dept and Obama administration is hard at work spreading more propaganda in the form of pseudo-members like fearnotruth. The real moniker is tellnotruth!
Report thisBy fearnotruth, December 7, 2010 at 3:13 am Link to this comment
http://tinyurl.com/2gyzexo
Daniel Ellsberg Exposed Along with the Real Purpose of the Wikileaks Psyop
5 DECEMBER 2010
By Scott Creighton.
Daniel Ellsberg has been running around singing the praises of Julian Assange ever since
his first big-time leak, the Collateral Damage video, which showed a U.S. gunship
killing various unarmed civilians in Iraq two of whom happened to be reporters. With the
recent pile of “leaked” state department memos, Ellsberg can’t hardly take a breath
between interviews and round table discussions, where he is the primary focus and a
staunch supporter of everything Wikileaks.
But there is something rotten in Denmark, folks.
It’s not a stretch to say that most Americans don’t believe a thing that comes out of the
state department or the government in general for that matter. Confidence in the word
of our elected (and unelected) leaders must be at or near an all-time low. [...]
So what do you do when you want to feed the generally left-leaning public a pack of lies
given that you know most of them are extremely skeptical about everything you tell
them? Well, if “you” are the problem, then you take the “you” out of the equation.
Get someone else to tell them the lies. Someone they are conditioned to trust. It’s a
pretty simple plan: give the leaker something dramatic (but already well-known) to get
attention and build his credibility, prime the pot with promises of massive amounts
of ”secret” documents that will reveal “the truth”, see to it that they are published in the
biggest news papers on the planet, put on a big show about how much you don’t want
him to reveal “the truth”, and make damn sure you have enough “progressive” figures to
run around doing interviews praising the leaker for his courage and committment to
getting “the truth” out there no matter how grave the threat to his personal safety.
deflective source disinformation
If you really examine the meat of the “leaked” documents, it doesn’t take long to notice
that generally speaking they strongly support every single state department agenda,
from invading Pakistan, regime change in North Korea, regime change in Iran, and
supporting the role that Israel is playing in destabilizing the Middle East. And what have
we learned that harms the state department? That Obama gave the orders to fire
missiles into Yemen that killed 21 kids? We knew that the day it happened and we
certainly knew that after the recent UN report came out which clearly identified the parts
of those rockets as ours. We learned that the state department works closely with the
CIA, but we knew that already as well.
[...] Documents being ”leaked” by Wikileaks and praised by the likes of Daniel Ellsberg,
Amy Goodman, and Glenn Greenwald… imagine that and you start to get the picture.
You see, it doesn’t work without the amen chorus. Just like 9/11 would never have
worked without all the media talking heads reading from the exact same script and
endlessly repeating “bin Laden” and “al Qaeda” as the buildings were demoed, the same
principle holds true here. It’s so obvious that these “leaks” do nothing more than
support the Obama regime’s imperial agenda, if given half a minute to step back and
consider their merit on mere fact alone, the truth is pretty obvious. It’s as obvious as
Building 7.
But the amen chorus is out there singing the praises of Wikileaks just as fast and as hard
Report thisas they can, hoping to create an emotional connection between Assange and the anti-
war left. And Daniel Ellsberg is key to that. Whether he actually knows it or not.
By James H., December 7, 2010 at 2:11 am Link to this comment
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The man is a pure hero to freedom of press. When the government endures the level of secrecy, lies, and fraud they have been engaging in, it’s time for a hero to shove it back in their face.
When Bush’s intelligence agency massively gaffed in lying or mistaking nothing for WMDs in Iraq, did he fire the men who told them they were there? Or did the government simply pass off all these mistakes as justified? Did he rework the entire intelligence service for such a massive failure that discredited the word of the Federal Government? No, he laughed it up with the upper caste in Press Meetings even as the blood streamed from our soldiers.
“For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.”
Report thisBy SteveL, December 7, 2010 at 12:13 am Link to this comment
Rupert Murdoch’s Fox and his papers bend the antitrust laws regarding media and
Report thisthem spew deliberate deceptions and lies. Some how some way that is no
problem. Rush Limbaugh uses his company’s monopoly to spew his hate and lies
all over the country. Some how some way no problem. WikiLeaks has not been
accused of breaking any laws just distributes cables and we get to listen to all this
righteous indignation?