ITW:

I see what you mean. Keep up the good fight.

Shalom.

er…thanks?

“He will call you names, make wild accusations, and,
already deliberately ignored your OBVIOUS sarcasm to
accuse YOU of Antisemitism.

Which is pathetic because Robert is one of the most
blatantly antisemitic posters here.”
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Its that ole ITW, the damn hypocrite & liar,
who is blowing in the wind because his zionism’s PR
& damage control are just NOT working. He is still raw & blistered from the previous TD thread.

Just keep stirring & scraping that burnt barrel’s
bottom…LOL!

TD’s readers get an opportunity to read & research the links/sources that were provided by me & of course Israel’s zionism side…those 2 stooges must think its “clever” PR/damage control for their beloved Israel!

Rico,

You caught Robert in a flat-out falsehood—“total blockade”=2500 trucks per month and what you got was a total tirade, ranting and raving, but NEVER actually addressing how 2500 is “total”. 

He will call you names, make wild accusations, and, already deliberately ignored your OBVIOUS sarcasm to accuse YOU of Antisemitism. 

Which is pathetic because Robert is one of the most blatantly antisemitic posters here.  He “cares” about the Palestinians, but doesn’t give a shit about anybody else and their suffering in the world, ESPECIALLY if it’s at the hands of those calling themselves “Muslims” (like Bashir in Sudan).

But remember, Rico, as much as you and I disagree, TD is FILLED with people fooling themselves and filled with self-poisoning hatred.  And none more than Robert.

You might as well argue with a religious fanatic.

By rico, suave, September 28 at 7:23 pm

Robert:

“Israel now allows approximately 2,500 trucks a
month.”

That’s your definition of a “total blockade”?

Look, it’s obvious we don’t speak the same language.
See you on another thread.”

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Rico ... When it comes to TRUTH, equal human rights,
international law & compassion for fellow human
beings ... I can tell you flat out that you & I don’t
speak the same language! You are speaking Israel’s
Zionism language!

“In the years prior to the closure, Israel allowed
an average of 10,400 trucks to enter Gaza with goods
each month. Israel now allows
approximately 2,500 trucks a month.

The figures show that Israel also has
limited the goods allowed to enter Gaza to 40 types
of items, while before June 2007 approximately 4,000
types of goods were listed as entering Gaza.””

Robert:

“Israel now allows approximately 2,500 trucks a month.”

That’s your definition of a “total blockade”?

Look, it’s obvious we don’t speak the same language. See you on another thread.

By rico, suave, September 28 at 3:28 pm

“And, again, what about the flow of goods crossing from Israel proper into Gaza? How do you fit “total” into that?”
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Why is Israel stopping aid ships from entering the Gaza coast, shooting and killing aid people in international waters & murdering Palestinian fishermen? I thought that Israel’s army/IDF pulled out of Gaza!!!

Irony…Hmmm???

Read on Israel’s blockade of 1.5 million Palestinians in a huge open prison…below

Israeli Document:

Gaza Blockade Isn’t About Security

By Sheera Frenkel

“June 10, 2010 “McClatchy”—JERUSALEM — As Israel ordered a slight easing of its blockade of the Gaza Strip Wednesday, McClatchy obtained an Israeli government document that describes the blockade not as a security measure but as “economic warfare” against the Islamist group Hamas, which rules the Palestinian territory.

Israel imposed severe restrictions on Gaza in June 2007, after Hamas won elections and took control of the coastal enclave after winning elections there the previous year, and the government has long said that the aim of the blockade is to stem the flow of weapons to militants in Gaza.

Last week, after Israeli commandos killed nine volunteers on a Turkish-organized Gaza aid flotilla, Israel again said its aim was to stop the flow of terrorist arms into Gaza.

However, in response to a lawsuit by Gisha, an Israeli human rights group, the Israeli government explained the blockade as an exercise of the right of economic warfare.

“A country has the right to decide that it chooses not to engage in economic relations or to give economic assistance to the other party to the conflict, or that it wishes to operate using ‘economic warfare,’” the government said.

McClatchy obtained the government’s written statement from Gisha, the Legal Center for Freedom of Movement, which sued the government for information about the blockade. The Israeli high court upheld the suit, and the government delivered its statement earlier this year.

Sari Bashi, the director of Gisha, said the documents prove that Israel isn’t imposing its blockade for its stated reasons, but rather as collective punishment for the Palestinian population of Gaza. Gisha focuses on Palestinian rights.

(A State Department spokesman, who wasn’t authorized to speak for the record, said he hadn’t seen the documents in question.)

The Israeli government took an additional step Wednesday and said the economic warfare is intended to achieve a political goal. A government spokesman, who couldn’t be named as a matter of policy, told McClatchy that authorities will continue to ease the blockade but “could not lift the embargo altogether as long as Hamas remains in control” of Gaza.

President Barack Obama, after receiving Mahmoud Abbas, the head of the Palestinian Authority, said the situation in Gaza is “unsustainable.” He pledged an additional $400 million in aid for housing, school construction and roads to improve daily life for Palestinians — of which at least $30 million is earmarked for Gaza.

Israel’s blockade of Gaza includes a complex and ever-changing list of goods that are allowed in. Items such as cement or metal are barred because they can be used for military purposes, Israeli officials say.

According to figures published by Gisha in coordination with the United Nations, Israel allows in 25 percent of the goods it had permitted into Gaza before the Hamas takeover. In the years prior to the closure, Israel allowed an average of 10,400 trucks to enter Gaza with goods each month. Israel now allows approximately 2,500 trucks a month.

The figures show that Israel also has limited the goods allowed to enter Gaza to 40 types of items, while before June 2007 approximately 4,000 types of goods were listed as entering Gaza.”

Robert:

“Let’s see now…so the tunnels are on the Egyptian side and NOT on the Israeli blockade side ... Hmmm!”

You said “total” blockade. As in sealed up all around. Unless “total” for you is one of those words with situationally flexible meaning.

And, again, what about the flow of goods crossing from Israel proper into Gaza? How do you fit “total” into that?

Do you understand irony, Robert?

By rico, suave, September 28 at 12:32 pm

Robert:

“NO response on the total Gaza blockade!”

Sorry, forgot: Egypt/Sinai tunnels- LOTS of stuff coming through. And lots of stuff crosses from Israel to Gaza. You know that very well. So when you casually throw out phrases like “total blockade” your credibility suffers as a result.(BTW, does that claim make me a Zionist?)

Also, I read an interesting article in The Economist a month or so ago which said that Gazan farmers are pissed at Israeli farmers who bring food into Gaza and sell it cheaper than the Gazans can. So they are asking Hamas to PREVENT Israeli food from coming in. Imagine that.
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Let’s see now…so the tunnels are on the Egyptian side and NOT on the Israeli blockade side ... Hmmm!

Why is Israel stopping aid ships from entering the Gaza coast, shooting and killing aid people in international waters & murdering Palestinian fishermen? I thought that Israel’s army/IDF pulled out of Gaza!!!

“And imagine a filthy, greedy Jew UNDERselling anyone!”

Wow Rico…are you anti-semitic? Is this your quote above or what…puzzling? Do you have something against Jews?

Uncredible…!!!

Robert:

“NO response on the total Gaza blockade!”

Sorry, forgot: Egypt/Sinai tunnels- LOTS of stuff coming through. And lots of stuff crosses from Israel to Gaza. You know that very well. So when you casually throw out phrases like “total blockade” your credibility suffers as a result.(BTW, does that claim make me a Zionist?)

Also, I read an interesting article in The Economist a month or so ago which said that Gazan farmers are pissed at Israeli farmers who bring food into Gaza and sell it cheaper than the Gazans can. So they are asking Hamas to PREVENT Israeli food from coming in. Imagine that. And imagine a filthy, greedy Jew UNDERselling anyone!

By rico, suave, September 28 at 10:55 am

Robert:

Robert:

You contend that Israel occupies Palestinian land. Where did the Palestinians get it in the first place? From the Brits? From the Romans? From Alexander the Great? From the Hittites? From the Assyrians? From Pharaonic Egypt? Why do you start the time line with “Palestinians”?

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Two great sources on the topic below...So NO response on the total Gaza blockade!

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Ilan Pappe and the Nakba Deniers

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

By JOHN WHITBECK

“For anyone who possesses a strong stomach and an equally strong desire to know the truth, I strongly recommend Israeli historian Ilan Pappe’s new book “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine”, which makes painstakingly and painfully clear the extent to which the expulsion of the great majority of Palestinians from their homes and homeland between 1947 and 1949 (an expulsion absolutely essential to create a “Jewish state” in a country where, in 1947, the population was still 70% Muslim and Christian and these non-Jews still owned 94% of the land) was meticulously planned, programmed and documented, ruthlessly carried out and, thereafter, efficiently covered up, sanitized, erased from minds and memories and, to the extent necessary, denied. Pappe also makes clear that the cleansing spirit and cleansing practices have continued ever since, with public discussion in Israel of the “demographic threat” posed by those Palestinians still remaining in Palestinian never more openly conducted and with a recent poll showing 68% of Israeli Jews in favor of expelling all Palestinian citizens of Israel.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/whitbeck01272007.html

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The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict

Published by Jews for Justice in the Middle East

“Jews for Justice has made this excellent resource available to people around the world.

As the periodic bloodshed continues in the Middle East, the search for an equitable solution must come to grips with the root cause of the conflict. The conventional wisdom is that, even if both sides are at fault, the Palestinians are irrational “terrorists” who have no point of view worth listening to. Our position, however, is that the Palestinians have a real grievance: their homeland for over a thousand years was taken, without their consent and mostly by force, during the creation of the state of Israel. And all subsequent crimes — on both sides — inevitably follow from this original injustice.

This paper outlines the history of Palestine to show how this process occurred and what a moral solution to the region’s problems should consist of. If you care about the people of the Middle East, Jewish and Arab, you owe it to yourself to read this account of the other side of the historical record.

Introduction

The standard Zionist position iis that they showed up in Palestine in the late 19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably stemming from the Arabs’ inherent anti-Semitism. The Zionists were then forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation continues up to today.

The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true, as the documentary evidence in this booklet will show. What really happened was that the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present).”

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

Robert:

You contend that Israel occupies Palestinian land. Where did the Palestinians get it in the first place? From the Brits? From the Romans? From Alexander the Great? From the Hittites? From the Assyrians? From Pharaonic Egypt? Why do you start the time line with “Palestinians”?

“You asked for a quote and you got it!” Oh, I see. Anything I say is proof that I’m a Zionist. Sorry, but your logic escapes me.

One more for the record

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By rico, suave, September 27 at 6:29 pm

Robert:

“Please show me a quote in any of my posts which would support your accusation. And try not to be such a hypocrite.”

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By rico, suave, September 25 at 10:49

“diamond:

You’re a frivolous idiot.”

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Rico,

You asked for a quote and you got it! Whether its 1-100 or occational ... its proof enough!

So Rico, as per your comments below, can you tell us whose land does Israel consist of & isn’t Israel blockading Gaza from air, sea & land where No exports for the Palestinians is allowed out of there?

“1. ” ...Israel consists of the original Palestinian land…”

2. “Israel’s brutal occupation has suffocated the Palestinians from all angles.””

Robert:

So, “you’re a frivolous idiot” is proof that I’m a Zionist? Don’t you think that’s a stretch? It’s only proof that I occasionally throw out a personal attack.

And as for things you said that I don’t think conform to reality:

1. ” ...Israel consists of the original Palestinian land…”

2. “Israel’s brutal occupation has suffocated the Palestinians from all angles.”

3. “Israel runs on total theft & greed at the expense of the Palestinians & the American taxpayers.”

4. “And for Israel and its zionist supporters “no peace” is the best of the two worlds. They keep stealing Palestinian land…”

By rico, suave, September 27 at 6:29 pm

“Please show me a quote in any of my posts which would support your accusation. And try not to be such a hypocrite.”

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By rico, suave, September 25 at 10:49

“diamond:

You’re a frivolous idiot.”

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Well Rico, since you asked for it…I sort of had to oblige. BTW, your one person class has just left & slammed the door on his/her way out!

By rico, suave, September 27 at 2:42 pm

“FRTothus:

Robert’s post would be ok if it described reality”

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By Robert, September 27 at 5:59 pm

And there goes Rico, a regular zionist, attempting to plant doubt on our posted information.

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Ooops…I am reposting due to correction! 

Rico,

My definitions / synonyms for reality are: Truth, substance, fact, right, verity…and so on.

Are you saying that my information/post does NOT have any TRUTH?

By rico, suave, September 27 at 2:42 pm

“FRTothus:

Robert’s post would be ok if it described reality”

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By Robert, September 27 at 5:59 pm

And there goes Rico, a regular zionist, attempting to plant doubt on our posted information.

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Rico,

My defitions / synonyms for reality are: Truth, substance, fact, right, verity…and so on.

Are you saying that my information does have any TRUTH?

Robert:

“And there goes Rico, a regular zionist,...”

and

“...attacking the person giving the information…”

Now class, what you see here is a classic example of the pot calling the kettle black. Any questions?

I didn’t atack YOU. I merely opined that your comment didn’t describe reality. For that you accused me of attacking you personally by attacking me personally, by calling me a Zionist. Please show me a quote in any of my posts which would support your accusation. And try not to be such a hypocrite. (THAT was a personal attack.)

By the way, Netanyahu is evidently caving to the settlers. The building will resume. He really fucked up this time. I hope Abbas walks out. Israel is doing itself no favors here.

By , September 27 at 10:56 am

Robert, your post was so good, I just have to post it again.  All I would add would be to have Point 3 include punitive damages as well as compensatory damages. 

Robert, September 26 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

78% of Israel consists of the original Palestinian land & the other 22% is Occupied by Israel’s army with hundreds of “for Jews only” settlements/colonies.

Israel’s brutal occupation has suffocated the Palestinians from all angles. Their daily humiliations/oppression by Israel’s IDF is a way of life for them. Israel has total control on the water resources, roads, building permits, ...etc…

Israel runs on total theft & greed at the expense of the Palestinians & the American taxpayers.

* Israel needs to withdraw to the pre-June 1967 borders as per UN Resolution 242 (BTW, The US voted in favor of UN 242).

* Jerusalem is to be an open city for all faiths and non-faiths, Christians, Jews, Moslems & others to visit/worship freely at their holy places, etc.

* Reparations / compensation for Palestinians who lost their land/homes/lives/loved ones.

The Israelis (and US Zionsists) know that if they abide with UN Resolution 242 & pull back to the majority consensus pre-June 1967 borders & sign a peace treaty with the Palestinians, things will not be the same for their zionist expansion plans. Almost all of those billions of $$$ from the ole USA may be cut drastically to a low trickle due to peace in the region ... This will be unacceptable to a greedy & belligerent Occupier…like Israel.

And for Israel and its zionist supporters “no peace” is the best of the two worlds. They keep stealing Palestinian land & they keep getting the non-stop flow of $$$/aid from the broke American taxpayers.

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FRTothus ... I do agree with you & its a great input. BTW, thanks!

And there goes Rico, a regular zionist, attempting to plant doubt on our posted information.

Zionists, like Rico, are NOT interested in facts/truth regarding their Apartheid Israel; they mostly like to plant doubts, diversions, changing the topic away from their beloved Israel & attacking the person giving the information.

Their mission(s) is/are for the information/truth NOT to reach too many people; especially, the American public!

rico:
“And ypur link relates to Robert’s post how?”

Part and parcel.

Maybe it’s just me but I see it as a whole.

boggles:

Israelis kill people- ok, you got me there. And ypur link relates to Robert’s post how?

The comments section here breaks links so you’ll need to copy ‘n paste.

http://www.truth-out.org/un-fact-finding-mission-says-israelis-executed-us-citizen-furkan-dogan63609

Hey, rico, here is some reality:

http://www.truth-out.org/un-fact-finding-mission-says-israelis-
executed-us-citizen-furkan-dogan63609

Your welcome.

FRTothus:

Robert’s post would be ok if it described reality.

Robert, your post was so good, I just have to post it again.  All I would add would be to have Point 3 include punitive damages as well as compensatory damages. 

Robert, September 26 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

78% of Israel consists of the original Palestinian land & the other 22% is Occupied by Israel’s army with hundreds of “for Jews only” settlements/colonies.

Israel’s brutal occupation has suffocated the Palestinians from all angles. Their daily humiliations/oppression by Israel’s IDF is a way of life for them. Israel has total control on the water resources, roads, building permits, ...etc…

Israel runs on total theft & greed at the expense of the Palestinians & the American taxpayers.

* Israel needs to withdraw to the pre-June 1967 borders as per UN Resolution 242 (BTW, The US voted in favor of UN 242).

* Jerusalem is to be an open city for all faiths and non-faiths, Christians, Jews, Moslems & others to visit/worship freely at their holy places, etc.

* Reparations / compensation for Palestinians who lost their land/homes/lives/loved ones.

The Israelis (and US Zionsists) know that if they abide with UN Resolution 242 & pull back to the majority consensus pre-June 1967 borders & sign a peace treaty with the Palestinians, things will not be the same for their zionist expansion plans. Almost all of those billions of $$$ from the ole USA may be cut drastically to a low trickle due to peace in the region ... This will be unacceptable to a greedy & belligerent Occupier…like Israel.

And for Israel and its zionist supporters “no peace” is the best of the two worlds. They keep stealing Palestinian land & they keep getting the non-stop flow of $$$/aid from the broke American taxpayers.

78% of Israel consists of the original Palestinian land & the other 22% is Occupied by Israel’s army with hundreds of   “for Jews only” settlements/colonies.

Israel’s brutal occupation has suffocated the Palestinians from all angles. Their daily humiliations/oppression by Israel’s IDF is a way of life for them. Israel has total control on the water resources, roads, building permits, ...etc…

Israel runs on total theft & greed at the expense of the Palestinians & the American taxpayers.

* Israel needs to withdraw to the pre-June 1967 borders as per UN Resolution 242 (BTW, The US voted in favor of UN 242).

* Jerusalem to be an open city for all faiths, Christians, Jews, Moslems & others to visit/worship freely at their holy places…etc…

* Reparations / compensations for Palestinians who lost their land/homes.

The Israelis know that if they abide with UN Resolution 242 & pull back to the pre-June 1967 borders & sign a peace treaty with the Palestinians, things will not be the same for their zionist expansion plans. Almost all of those billions of $$$ from the ole USA may be cut drastically to a low trickle due to peace in the region ... This will be unacceptable to a greedy & belligerent Occupier…like Israel.

And for Israel and its zionist supporters “no peace” is the best of the two worlds. They keep stealing Palestinian land & they keep getting the non-stop flow of $$$/aid from the broke American taxpayers.

“Palestinians have said they could leave recently resumed peace talks if the construction freeze is not extended.”

This is Netanyahu’s real goal.  He can stop new construction any time he wants - “show restraint” my ass.

This is the longest running farce in world history.

Pathetic! They’re already mixing the concrete and have no intention of letting a triviality like peace stop the party. It may have dawned belatedly on this weak and incompetent prime minister, that if the talks collapse it will be the Israelis’ fault, and the whole world (except the US) will know it.