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Israel Won’t Alert U.S. Before Any Strike on Iran, a Top Source Says

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Posted on Feb 27, 2012
White House / Pete Souza

President Barack Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu share a word.

AP claims a source familiar with high-level American-Israeli discussions says Israeli officials have made it clear they will not alert the U.S. before any attack by their country on Iran.

If true, it’s an indication that relations between the U.S. and Israel have not eased, although the stated reason for not notifying Washington before an attack would be to distance the U.S. from the action. As AP reports: “Israeli officials said that if they eventually decide a strike is necessary, they would keep the Americans in the dark to decrease the likelihood that the US would be held responsible for failing to stop Israel’s potential attack.”

But Iran would almost certainly see the U.S. as the major military sponsor of its attacker, whether Washington is tipped off or not.

Both Israel and the United States are concerned about Iran’s nuclear program, but the two countries have pushed different approaches, with Israel’s conservative government campaigning for military action and the Obama administration favoring sanctions and diplomacy.

Although he labeled Iran part of the “axis of evil,” even George W. Bush understood the danger of a military strike on that country. According to reports late in his presidency, Bush told then-Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that he would not support a plan to attack Iran.

Lending credence to AP’s report, Haaretz recounts a TV interview with Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, who says a decision on whether to attack Iran is Israel’s business, not that of the U.S. or Russia.  —PZS

AP and Reuters via Haaretz:

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said in an interview on Wednesday that Israel will not bow to U.S. and Russian pressure in deciding whether to attack Iran.

Speaking on Channel 2 news, Avigdor Lieberman rebuffed suggestions that American and Russian warnings against striking Iran would affect Israeli decision making, saying the decision “is not their business.”

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By IMax, March 12, 2012 at 7:16 am Link to this comment

glider,

You can go on about Israel all you wish.  I’m bored with it.

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By Night-Gaunt, March 4, 2012 at 5:07 pm Link to this comment

ChrisML would you mind giving some proof of this? Since Israel has a very sore spot with Nazis of any kind they wouldn’t support anyone no matter how fascist they were in other areas. At least you could provide a link to your unfounded piece of shit.

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By PatrickHenry, March 3, 2012 at 8:55 am Link to this comment

tic,

Patsy, when you learn the difference between description and advocacy,

tic, when you learn the difference between fact and fiction.

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By ChrisML, March 3, 2012 at 8:30 am Link to this comment
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Two far-right members of the Knesset – Aryeh Eldad of the National Union (formerly National Religious Party) and Ayoob Kara of Likud welcome Russian neo-Nazis to Israel. They go on a tour of Yad Vashem, the Zionists’ Holocaust Memorial Propaganda Institute/Museum, give Hitler salutes and of course don’t believe in the holocaust but thoroughly agree with Israel on murdering and dispossessing Palestinians.

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By glider, March 2, 2012 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

Imax,

You manage to walk through life with blinders on, like an elite’s carriage horse.  Logic will never bother you as all your thinking is dominated by an agenda. 

“How is your contribution in aid to anyone in understanding ... why Israel and others in the region have problems with Iran?”

I love this quote of yours as it symbolizes you so well.  The implicit assumption in the above quote is that others in the region do not have problems with Israel.  That is about as divorced from reality as one can get in this world.

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By PatrickHenry, March 2, 2012 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment

I am all too familiar with arm chair commandos whose tactical knowledge ends at a board game.

What nation sends green and rusty reservists to the front lines to spearhead the assault?  A dumb ass one, thats who or one who wishes to rid themselves of that dead weight.

No, the Issies sent in their infantry who got their asses handed to them, no matter how you and your ‘buds’ in the IDF try and spin it.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/08/17/beaten/

Hezbollah is even more prepared today than it was in 2006 when Israel attacked, maybe some of those marva trained U.S. Jews who refuse to serve in the U.S. military will rush to serve in the IDF, I can only hope.

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By heterochromatic, March 2, 2012 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

Patsy, when you learn the difference between description and advocacy, you’ll be
better off.

I’m not of a mind to fight for any country other than the one in which I have
citizenship and a home.

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By PatrickHenry, March 2, 2012 at 4:13 am Link to this comment

Well tic, you should hop on El Al and get over there, I’m sure you can be on point.

Prepared positions are usually piles of rubble a la Stalingrad once the battle begins and any tactical edge the Issies think they have will be neutralized.  Afterall since their inception the major IDF stategy has always been suprise attacks based on deception, when the opponents see them coming like they did in Lebanon before, the Issies don’t fare so well.

Be sure to tell everyone goodbye, I doubt your coming back.

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By heterochromatic, March 1, 2012 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment

actually, Patsy, there are quite a few in the Israeli
military who are quite anxious for the next go-round
with Hezbollah.

The Israelis really were quite surprised to be
fighting on the ground and they sent green kids and
rusty reservists against prepared positions and a
force that fought well and with some good tactical
sense.


The next round will be quite, quite different ....and
far bloodier. Hezbollah well have no surprises and
will have to resort to sending all those many
thousand rockets and missiles at the Israeli
population….and Israel has spent the time quite
carefully locating and mapping Hezbollah tunnels and
storage facilities and are going to quite ignore the
crocodile tears of the Lebanese when they fire upon
all the rockets that Hezbollah has stored in people’s
garages and spare rooms and in health clinics and
other civilian buildings.

But I doubt that the Hezis are up for another round
any time soon as they’re currently deprived of the
cover of not holding office. A fight now means that
Hezbollah is committing the state of Lebanon to the
conflict and they’ll be nobody like Siniora who can
cry for the cameras and say that Lebanon isn’t a
party to the conflict.

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By PatrickHenry, March 1, 2012 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment

It depends on how you look at it.  I see Iran arming arabs to defend themselves against the many recorded acts of violence upon them by Israel.

Hezbollah is one example, Israel has been in and out of Lebanon many times and overflys that country with impunity in defiance of international law.  Hezbollah armed themselves (with Iranian help) and in the last Israeli invasion inflicted heavier casulties than the Israelis were expecting.

Apparently Israel needs another lesson but their hubris will not allow it.

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By heterochromatic, March 1, 2012 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment

NG—- how much substance do you really need for me to supply. Iran, since
the time that Khomeini took power, has been calling for the end of Israel and
arming terrorists to attack Israel.


These things have been reported pretty widely…..

There have not been much reported that says that there is a yearly festival in
Tel Aviv that corresponds to the one in Terhan called “A World Without
Zionism”.


——-” The occupying state (Israel) is the bridgehead of the Oppressor World in
the heart of the Islamic world. They have built a base to expand their
domination to the entire Islamic world. There is no other raison d?etre for this
entity without this objective.

The battle that is going on in Palestine today, therefore, is the frontline of the
conflict between the Islamic world and the Oppressor World. It is a battle of
destiny that will determine the fate of hundreds of years of conflict in Palestine.

Today, the Palestinian nation is fighting the Oppressor World on behalf of the
Islamic umma (nation). Thank God, from the day the Palestinian nation moved
towards an Islamic struggle with Islamic objectives and an Islamic environment,
and made Islam the dominating force in its behaviour and orientation, we have
been witnessing the progress and successes of the Palestinian nation every day.

I must say that you have chosen a very valuable title for your gathering [World
Without Zionism”>. Many are sowing the seeds of defeat and despair in this all-
out war between the Islamic world and the Infidel Front, hoping to dishearten
the Islamic world.

Such people are using words like ?it?s not possible?. They say how could we have a
world without America and Zionism? But you know well that this slogan and
goal can be achieved and can definitely be realised?. “.....


http://www.iranfocus.com/en/?option=com_content&task=view&id=4164

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By PatrickHenry, March 1, 2012 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

Night Gaunt,

Substance?  move along nothing to see here involving the spammers, just nonsense backed by fiction.

Iran has stated they plan to deploy in Syria to come to the aid of Assad as he is fighting a foreign backed force which includes those same forces used in Libya.  They have several military treaties with each other.

It seems the Arab world has its own solution to the unemployment problem, become mercenaries led by Intelligence agents of the NATO countries.

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By Night-Gaunt, March 1, 2012 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment

You gave nothing in substance yourself. So in the neihborhood one person has a gun an no one else. You may yell at them an shout death threats but they shoot out windows, gunned down people in the area an you can do nothing. So how is that any different from only one country in the area has the Bomb an by having such has the threat of annihilation for anyone around them? They can shout an curse and want your death but you have the ultimate weapon. An you can’t see that is fear? And remember it is Israel backed by the hyper power USA that are doing the threatening.  An until you give me some kind of analysis you haven’t even replied to me. So why not get off you low horse an write more than a few words that tells me an everyone else you have more than “bullshit” as your reply?

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By heterochromatic, March 1, 2012 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment

IMax—if there is an Iranian armored brigade fighting in Syria, I think that we
would have seen mention of it from more than a single source.
Can you show any other source?

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By IMax, March 1, 2012 at 11:19 am Link to this comment

Free Syrian Army (FSA) Brig. Gen. Hussam Awak said Iranian armored brigades are fighting alongside the forces of Syrian President Bashar al Assad, NOW Lebanon reported March 1. Awak said a brigade has been present in camps along the Lebanese-Syrian border that have existed since 2007. Awak also said the FSA is still relying on private funding with Syrian merchants and philanthropic organizations. When asked about claims that arab fighters are among the FSA, he said Syria is a country for all Arabs, and many different nationalities are present in its borders.

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By heterochromatic, March 1, 2012 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

it’s not every day that you get stories of famine, plagues of locusts, and spies who
pass on secret information that allow the Australian cavalry to help liberate
Jerusalem from the palsied hand of the Sick Old Man.

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By heterochromatic, March 1, 2012 at 10:06 am Link to this comment

NZ== thanks for the link to Nili.

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By PatrickHenry, March 1, 2012 at 4:36 am Link to this comment

NZDoug,

The Nili-Vanili award for treachery.  Put Jonathan Pollard down for one.

Alleged, suspected, purported, all used to describe Iranian terrorists, a term we have been conditioned to believe in by the corporate zionist Jews out of Hollywood.

http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2011/11/now-theyre-censoring-iranian-terrorist.html

When searching ‘Iranian terrorists’ the MEK stands out as the preeminent terror group of Iran who, BTW is aligned with Israel in the killing of Iranian scientists. 

The US is considering taking them off the terror watch list.

I guess the US govt. shares the same F’d up moral compass as the spammers here.

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By NZDoug, March 1, 2012 at 1:37 am Link to this comment

Yo, Hetro
Twas those Nili phellas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nili

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By heterochromatic, March 1, 2012 at 12:17 am Link to this comment

sorry, but the schools up there might as well have been expected to instruct
pupils in the history of terror in Europe…....

perhaps you’ve managed to avoid schooling ...but you could dip a toe into
Marx, Kropotkin and the Russians (if you don’t care to work through the French
rev through 1848 and into the Balkans and the Boot)

so you’re still stuck.


(the award is named for the battle of the Plains of Abraham and is called the
Lost Wolfe)

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By NZDoug, February 29, 2012 at 11:48 pm Link to this comment

Hetro,
I’m a Canuck Who moved here to get away from you know who.
I Learned about the Balfour Declaration and the Picot-Sykes Declarations and the
Franco Prussian Wars, so I realize that theft is theft.
What is the name of the Israeli(IDF) award for emulating those ol time terror boys who
founded our guiding hope for Democray and freedom in the Middle East?

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By heterochromatic, February 29, 2012 at 11:05 pm Link to this comment

NZ—- do the schools down there not instruct you lads in the history of terrorism
in Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries?

didn’t NZ participate in the Great War and didn’t they teach you how it began?

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By NZDoug, February 29, 2012 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment

Israel are the founders of modern terrorism. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)
Google Haganah, Irgun to see whole blew up the King David Hotel killing 91 people,  
mostly British  govt officials as Palestine was a British protectorate, for centuries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

Wiki “Dier Yassin, Shatila and Sabra"for Israeli massacres. 
Look up the facts of “Operastion Cast Lead”. 
Lotsa stuff on you tube about this. 
Read"The Great War Civilization, The Conquest of the Middle East” by Robert Fisk. 
Wake up.

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By heterochromatic, February 29, 2012 at 7:17 pm Link to this comment

Iran sponsors Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist
groups, Patsy old turkey…...and the groups and Iran
admit as much.

proof a’plenty

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By PatrickHenry, February 29, 2012 at 7:04 pm Link to this comment

Bookends,

Where is the proof?

Not heresay or a civil case where the Iranians didn’t show up or a dissertation based on a politically motivated agenda but actual captured Iranian agents confessing by the U.S. or other nations.

You don’t have shit, only conjecture and parrot talking points.

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By IMax, February 29, 2012 at 6:59 pm Link to this comment

PHimmler,

‘There has been a lot said here about Israel’s nuclear weapons.’  ‘To state that Israel is ‘suspected’ of possessing nuclear weapons, or uses other organizations as proxies is unprovable.  Just like stating that Iran, by virtue of its overwhelming aid to Hezbollah, is responsible for all actions of that non-state actor.’

‘No, just more BS Anti-Semitic spamming without backup.’

-

Of course all of the above doesn’t really work, does it?  Not in the wider scope.

I happen to believe Israel possesses nuclear weapons or, at the very least, the equally meaningful breakout capabilities.  The obvious problem in my believe comes in the fact that Heinrich P.Himmler is unable to prove me correct.  Yet he has seen multiples of dozens of independent “evidences” of Iranian aggression.

There should be one question which rises above every opinion here.  What does Iran’s immediate neighbors think about Iran as a nuclear weapon state?  This is the issue, the first priority, which so many here try so hard to avoid being discussed.  I find this incredible.

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By heterochromatic, February 29, 2012 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment

Patsy—- you can call the words of the US Dept of State
hasbara if you care to do so, but you can’t say that no
one has offered proof of Iran’s supporting terrorism.


BTW, what would you call the head of a govt who
publicly puts out an open contract to kill a man who
wrote a novel that the old piece of shit found
displeasing?

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By heterochromatic, February 29, 2012 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment

NG——- you made the assertion that Iran is acting out
of “abject fear”.
I countered that assertion, for which you have offered
naught of substance, by pointing out that Iran has been
aggressive in opposing Israel for 30 years.

Provoking and engaging in hostilities is not a sign of
abject fear when the thing supposedly feared is not
proximate.

You back it up, it’s your counterintuitive assertion.

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By Night-Gaunt, February 29, 2012 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment

Well mismatchedcolor aka heterochromatic in a line you slayed the vast dragon. Or did you? Pronouncements are fine but you’ve got to back it up. An calling something “bullshit” doesn’t cut the mustard. So how about you do a little detail. You obviously know nothing about human psychology or what fear does. An when you have nukes you are top dog. No one else will dare attack you to a level where they will use it. Or have you missed all the decades between the USA an Russia? Or the USA an N. Korea more recently? Seems to me you just didn’t like the idea an it pissed you off. Not good enough. So produce something more please or move on to an area you might know about?

Iran has aided Al Qaeda and Iran’s proxy group Lebanese Hezbollah was
involved, according to the ruling, in facilitating the bombing campaign…...Iran
is responsible only indirectly…as per usual.

You do know that countries like the USA, UK, France, etc have done an continue to do the same only on a much larger scale? So what is your point? That is the back ground war by proxy. An the USA has our own terrorists, called Special Forces, in over 150 countries at last count. The US makes sure to attack countries on the other side of the world an are very weak. Israel can do it near them since they have the nuclear arsenal. Now if they use nukes then Iran, if there is anyone left who can, will launch whatever attack they can muster. Which will be a mistake on a monumental level. An will be a disaster for the entire world, not just two countries.

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By PatrickHenry, February 29, 2012 at 6:14 pm Link to this comment

Alot has been stated here about Iran’s support of terrorism but no facts have been presented. 

To state that Iran is ‘suspected’ or uses other organizations as proxies is unprovable just like stating that the U.S. by virtue of its overwhelming aid to Israel is responsible for all actions of that state.

No, just more BS hasbara spamming without backup.

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By heterochromatic, February 29, 2012 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

Rodney——perhaps the Israelis worry about democracy in the Arab League
states mostly because all the authoritarian governments there have, for most of
a century, insured that the population is either uneducated or maleducated and
fed a steady diet of lies about why their countries are so backward ....and who
is to blame for their inferior conditions.


freedom from tyrants and ignorance and the ushering in of democracy MUST
come…but the dearth of conditions that would smooth the transition is going
to insure a bumpy ride for most everyone.


perhaps it’s escaped your notice, but the Palestinians have had more freedom
and elections than a great many of their neighbors.

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By heterochromatic, February 29, 2012 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

IMax—- dismiss it, no.

think that there’s anything in the ruling memo that really establishes anything
other than the glaringly well-known facts that iran supports and encourages
terrorism and terrorist actions, not that much.

iran has aided Al Qaeda and Iran’s proxy group Lebanese Hezbollah was
involved, according to the ruling, in facilitating the bombing campaign…...Iran
is responsible only indirectly…as per usual.


they prefer to fight to the last drop of Arab blood

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By IMax, February 29, 2012 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment

gerard,

While making conversation about the possibility of Israel undertaking military action against Iran it’s generally desirable to talk about Israel and Iran.

You’re here going on again about the United States and whether or not the term “The West” is valid as a concept.  Why?  How is your contribution in aid to anyone in understanding why Iran has problems with Israel and why Israel and others in the region have problems with Iran?  How are you helping to round out some knowledge of “Non-Western” cultures?  How are you helping to bridge any gaps?

You appear very passionate.  However, I never can grasp the usefulness in how you almost always go on about one subject.  Your perceptions of one place on earth, the United States.

Do you not have anything to say about Iran and Israel?

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By gerard, February 29, 2012 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

A scary ons-size-fits-all allegation that can be used to justify any criminal response anywhere anytime: 
  It (insert name of nation) has ... “ambitions that collide with the interests of its neighbors and the West.”
  The real horror of this is the fact that the wealthiest country with the biggest military force in the world also has a large number of the most under-educated and under-informed citizens who are utterly incapable of “parsing” such language with various “truth tests” such as:
  What “ambitions” exactly? what proof of these ambitions actually exists? What “interests” exactly? Whose interests”  Why? Is one “side” more “entitled” to these unspecified “interests” than others? Why?
  What is meant by “the West” and is that a valid concept, once it is defined?  Are these “interests” equally shared throughout this “West” or are some “interests” better served than others by this “collision.”  Specifically, what kind of “collision”?  etc etc.
  No,  no! Let’s not stop and think here. Our government (our media) wouldn’t lie to us, would they?  Why would they lie?  You must be crazy—or
anti-US, unAmerican, “dangerous” etc. etc.
  How to get people off this treadmill is a primary problem.  We mostly-over-the-hillers here on TD haven’t the faintest—nor do the editors, I might add.  Including myself as just one commenter of many. (And by the way while we’re on the subject, calling each other “ass holes” “dumb shits” etc. is utterly ridiculous under the circumstances. Just proves my point!

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By IMax, February 29, 2012 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

hetero, - “that district court ruling wasn’t something to put much stock in.”

-

You’ll have to illustrate your reasons for dismissing the DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA case.

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By dahoit, February 29, 2012 at 10:04 am Link to this comment
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Well since Israel has to fly over US controlled territory(or allied)to attack Iran,and that we have spy satellites constantly monitoring the region,they will notify US of an attack,either by word or deed,so all this talk is just cover for Obomba.

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By A. Benway, February 29, 2012 at 9:45 am Link to this comment
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“No plan survives first contact” - the self-evident fact is that Israel and Ahmurka have a Grand Policy that’s closely aligned, and which dictates that Iran shall become a subject and obedient client-state. Iran, as everybody knows, does not desire to enjoy such privilege. What’s not known is how the fight will go - it’s possible that Ahmurka could lose… And the reluctance to begin a fight is a good indicator that some people at the celestial heights of power agree.

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By heterochromatic, February 29, 2012 at 8:41 am Link to this comment

IMax—-that district court ruling wasn’t something to put much stock in.

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By heterochromatic, February 29, 2012 at 8:36 am Link to this comment

vec——-heterochromatic: your above statement implies that a direct of an attack
or even an actual attack is something other than an act of war?——

it doesn’t imply that at all, vec and I can’t see how you could consider that to be
implied.
I said nothing at all about whether it was or was not and didn’t imply what I don’t
mean.


Dropping bombs on some other nations sans consent is most certainly an act of
war and when Israel bombed the reactor in Iraq, that was war-like act. Some for
the Israeli bombing of the nuclear site in Syria.(although I’m not sure that the
Syrians aren’t still technically at war with Israel).

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By Rodney, February 29, 2012 at 7:58 am Link to this comment
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We should immediately cut off all aid to Israel. They
are the reason we will pay five dollars a gallon for
gas. They were a large part of the reason we went to
war with Iraq.They are the reason their will never be
peace in the middle east. They are afraid of the Arab
spring. The prefer dictators that kow tow to them and
the United States, which is why there was an Arab in
the first place. The don’t want democracy in the
middle east because true democracy will mean true
elections for the Palestinians and end their brutal
system of aparthied that has been in place since
Israel’s existence.

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By IMax, February 29, 2012 at 6:56 am Link to this comment

Khobar Towers is but a single example of how Iran attacks neighboring nations.  IRG suspected assassination attempts in Bangkok, Delhi, Brasília, Riyadh and Washington displays Iran’s ability to strike internationally.  Lebanon is an example of Iran’s meddling in the affairs of regional nations.  Hezbollah is clear evidence of Iran’s intention to use proxies to stir up trouble and derail efforts to reach agreements.  The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing displays Iran’s enmity toward the West - in particular the United States.

In a little noticed ruling on November 28, a Washington, D.C. district court found that both Iran and Sudan were culpable for the 1998 American embassy bombings.

“Iran alarms the world as it seeks nuclear energy technology that could be used to create weapons. The concern stems in part from Iran’s uncertain intentions and recent history. Does Iran remain a revolutionary power determined to subvert its Sunni Arab neighbors, destroy Israel, and spread theocratic government to other lands; or would an Iran with nuclear weapons merely defend its territory from foreign aggression and live in peace with its neighbors? Are Iranian leaders and society willing to negotiate limits on nuclear capability and normalize relations with the West, or will they resist accommodation?”

Iranian-born Shahram Chubin provides a rare look into the motivations, perceptions, and domestic politics swirling around Iran. He narrates the recent history of Iran’s nuclear program and diplomacy, and argues that the central problem is not nuclear technology but rather Iran’s behavior as a revolutionary state with ambitions that collide with the interests of its neighbors and the West.

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By thecrow, February 29, 2012 at 6:40 am Link to this comment

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

- Matthew 7:3

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/as-the-crow-flies/

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By vector56, February 29, 2012 at 6:03 am Link to this comment

“and the Israelis aren’t doing anything more than posturing. they don’t have either
the aircraft nor the bombs to do any major damage to iran’s nuclear sites,”

heterochromatic: your above statement implies that a direct of an attack or even an actual attack is something other than an act of war?

Using your logic, the attack on the Pentagon (9/11) did not in anyway diminish or military capabilities, but would you call that “posturing” or an act of war?

Killing Iranian Scientist and blowing up things in their country is clearly an act of war, not posturing.

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By PatrickHenry, February 29, 2012 at 4:46 am Link to this comment

The Iranians having anything remotely resembling ‘the bomb’ is considered a threat to Israel given the paranoid nature of that country.  After all they have treated their neighbors so poorly that they know the time is coming when some disgruntled entity will seek revenge for an Israeli sanctioned atrocity that has occured over the past 60 or so years.

The Iranians haven’t threatened Israel militarily but have responded to Israeli banter and bluster (hasbara) on military strikes on Iran by indicating a severe retalitory response if they do so.

This entire episode has served to create tension and has escalated world oil prices which I believe was the original goal.

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By glider, February 29, 2012 at 2:45 am Link to this comment

It is difficult to know how much posturing is going on in this game of chicken.  But one thing is for sure.  Israel has been given/bought unconditional carte blanche support from “our” MIC and government officials.

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By heterochromatic, February 28, 2012 at 11:34 pm Link to this comment

and the Israelis aren’t doing anything more than posturing. they don’t have either
the aircraft nor the bombs to do any major damage to iran’s nuclear sites,

an effective campaign would require several days of of bombardment and the only
way that the Israelis could pull it off would be in conjunction with the Saudis…..

you can figure the odds on that one, Doug.

on their own, they couldn’t do more than set the Iranians back by about 9
months…..simply not worth the price that they would pay.

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By NZDoug, February 28, 2012 at 11:18 pm Link to this comment

We can earthquake ourselves thanks.

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By heterochromatic, February 28, 2012 at 11:05 pm Link to this comment

and bombing Wellington isn’t likely to cause any costly retaliatory damage.

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By heterochromatic, February 28, 2012 at 11:04 pm Link to this comment

about as likely as them bombing Wellington

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By NZDoug, February 28, 2012 at 10:53 pm Link to this comment

Maybe USA-NATO will do a preventative air strike on Tel Aviv to divert this impending
disaster!
God bless!

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By heterochromatic, February 28, 2012 at 10:02 pm Link to this comment

gerard——- it’s not gonna happen but there’s a reason why the Israelis would
float the story that the US won’t be in a position to approve any strike against Iran
after iran threatened that an attack against Iran, from any nation, would be met by
attacks against US interests all over the world.

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By gerard, February 28, 2012 at 9:43 pm Link to this comment

Pretty close to the height of arrogance, don’t you think:  To expect support and yet to not we willing to give advance notice on an enormous decision such as this? But then, that’s nationalism for you, isn’t it?  My country, right or wrong?

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By heterochromatic, February 28, 2012 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment

NG—— with Israel being the sole nuclear power in the area Iran is acting out of
abject fear. ___


not just total bullshit, but extremely stupid bullshit.

Iran has spent thirty years poking at Israel for fun and influence in the Middle East
and some clown says it’s from fear.

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By heterochromatic, February 28, 2012 at 8:21 pm Link to this comment

there’s absolutely no reason that Israel would inform the US before beginning an
aerial bombardment of iran.


especially since it ain’t gonna happen.

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By Night-Gaunt, February 28, 2012 at 5:08 pm Link to this comment

From another article on the same site.

And once again, though currently mentioned mostly by inference and on the sidelines, Israel and the Jewish lobby are “playing the media like a Stradivarius” as one pundit wrote this week. What was once the highly controversial and justifiably criticized contention of Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer about the Jewish lobby’s role in the War in Iraq is now receiving a kind of retroactive confirmation, in the eyes of Iran critics, by the bellicose statements of Republican presidential candidates about the need to “save Israel” and by the highly-public disagreement between Israel and the Americans in which the aggressive former is egging on the hesitant latter.

Still, you might point out correctly, these historical associations by people opposed to a war with Iran represent only a minority of American public opinion, no more than a third. In a recent poll carried out by Pew Research, 58% of Americans expressed support for American military attack on Iran if sanctions fail, compared to only 30% who oppose it. And asked what position the US should take if it is Israel that attacked Iran, only 5% said America should oppose such a move, compared to 39% who said that America should support Israel and 51% who said that Washington should stay neutral, which could be interpreted to say that 90% per cent of Americans are against any intervention to stop Israel from attacking.

But herein lays the most dangerous similarity to the Iraq war: the high degree of support that it enjoyed at its outset and the rapid switch to widespread opposition. In April 2003, more than 70% of Americans supported the war in Iraq; within 9 months, that figure dipped below 50%; several months later, it was closer to a third, where it has stayed ever since. And unless an attack on Iran is a miraculous one-shot success like Entebbe or the 1981 bombing of Osiraq - that is the direction that American public opinion is likely to take in the case of Iran as well.

What it means is that too many Americans like our more belligerent status than not. Insanely so. Or they are just bought an paid for into the mind fuck that passes for some of our corporate MSM. Cheer the Military-Industrial-Nat’l Security State complex on ward an outward. Now that makes my blood run cold. And reminds me of what Senator Amedala talking about the end of their Republic with the din of overwhelming applause. (Ep. 3 “Rise of the Sith.”) Sith in Gaelic means death.

Howard with Israel being the sole nuclear power in the area Iran is acting out of abject fear. Now if they got a single warhead an a single missile it would keep the foaming at the mouth dogs of war at bay for a time. But the Supreme Aytolla, who runs the country, said back in 2003 that his interpretation of the Koran says nuke power is good, nuke weapons are bad. An Iran as a country hasn’t attacked anyone in centuries.

I understand the fear in Israel, but they are sitting on lots of nukes. Some set in a ring to blow should the leadership see no way out of a concerted attack. Remember the movie “Dr. Strangelove” an what Hitler wanted done to Germany to keep it from the Soviets? Only the Israelis are in a small country an has nukes to use to commit social an country suicide. So they must be dealt with gently as well. Trauma can do that to a person who hasn’t had care an we see a whole country of people like that. Sadly. But we must forestall war even if the Russians an USA stop or abort the launch of any missiles on both sides.

You don’t want to live in a world after that an the economies of the world, including us collapses. Then the claws of the American crypto-fascists(some elements of the 1%, neo-Nazis, neo-Confederates, Dominionists etc.) will have a chance to take over this country (“save it”) as they have been maneuvering us to since 1980. All they need is for the proverbial “other shoe” to fall to get to do it.

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By Howard, February 28, 2012 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment

I like Israel’s approach. Since Iran has threatened
Israel for couple of years; time for Israel to return
the favor.

Iran sponsors more terrorists than beer ads exist on
ESPN.

Need a regime change in Iran. People on the street are
almost ready to act there !

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By PatrickHenry, February 28, 2012 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment

Howard you old zionist tourguide, how are you?

I agree with you in that we should cut off all aid to Egypt.  In the same thought we should apply BDS against Israel and cut of their welfare and military spare parts.

The difference is that the Egyptians detain the Americans, the Israelis kill the Americans.

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By realveive, February 28, 2012 at 2:52 pm Link to this comment

Smooth move, Israel.  Maybe we’ll return the favor by not telling you that you’ll no longer recieve any aid from the US of A.  With friends like you we’ve exceeded our acceptable level of enemies.

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By ChrisML, February 28, 2012 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment
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: Deputy Min­is­ter Ayoob Kara met with Swedish-German mil­lion­aire Patrik Brinkmann who has ties with Ger­man neo-Nazi groups in Berlin over the week­end, Yedioth Ahronoth reported.

Brinkmann, who is try­ing to estab­lish a far-right anti-Islamic party in Ger­many claims he is not an anti-Semite, how­ever his pre­vi­ous close con­tacts with the Ger­man neo-Nazi party (NPD) and his past mem­ber­ship in another neo-Nazi party raise ques­tions regard­ing his ideology.

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By ChrisML, February 28, 2012 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment
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Israel is an embattled country. They rely very heavily on U.S. support. So they have developed a very sophisticated system of propaganda. They don’t call it propaganda. They call it Hasbarah. It is the only country I know of in the world that refers to propaganda as explanation. The Ministry of Propaganda is the Ministry of Explanation. The idea being that our position on everything is so obviously correct that if we only explain it to people, they will see that it is right. (Yes ,a bit like that bunch in germany in the late 1930s,can’t remember their name,begins with an N,i think..)

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By omop, February 28, 2012 at 10:38 am Link to this comment

That’s quite cricket on the part of Israel in not alerting us. Sounds like they
will wait until Iran strikes back. Damn decent of them hey.

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By balkas, February 28, 2012 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

yes, bombing any country represent casus belli. in case of bombings of iran, we can expect that most iranians
would demand iran govt respects it.
and the iranian theocratic govt had avowed to act upon it.
and i think that american and world’s One Percent does not cheer israel in its ‘intention’ to attack iran.
recall, please, that most ashkenazim live in america and europe and not in israel.
guess, what might happen to them if israel attacks iran? and isn’t it
the ashkenazim who largely or solely stole palestina and not present citizens of it such as arab shemites with
mosheic cult.
and does one dare think that the whites—a nonshemitic branch of mosheism—gives a hoot about the darkies of
israel or even russians who now live there?
i still stay with my ‘prediction’ that israel would not attack iran!
however, ashkenazim and world’s 1% do need badly those rumors of a war against iran.
but they always had need of that and they always will! it keeps serfs in their designated mental cages and helps
them to behave as mental cases!
also spricht bozhidarevski!

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By balkas, February 28, 2012 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

of course, retaliations also come unannounced and unexplained before hand.
we do know that bombing iran would have different consequences than bombing
iraqi ossirak reaktor ‘81 or a site in syria ca ‘07.
one thing appears certain: bombing iran would represent a casus belli

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By Howard, February 28, 2012 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

What does the AP know ?
how ‘bout cutting off the billions we have given Egypt
?  Since they’ve grabbed American workeres to put on
trial.
Never got anything for out monies there !

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By A. Benway, February 28, 2012 at 9:08 am Link to this comment
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This claim is an obvious tactic in support of a coordinated, if covert, policy. It’s a lie. Shocking? Not at all. That’s war. Does anybody expect Barky or his obvious replacement, Jeb, to crow about an illegal act, the making of aggressive war? Obviously the hallmark of such actions is deception.

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By GoyToy, February 28, 2012 at 8:15 am Link to this comment

So AP thinks Israel has a “conservative” government? Moving on…time to tell Israel it’s on its own—no more money, arms, and political support.

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By Debra Rosario, February 28, 2012 at 8:01 am Link to this comment
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I hope this anger towards Israel wakes-up the American public,and we can finally form a alternative force against AIPAC.

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By SarcastiCanuck, February 28, 2012 at 7:51 am Link to this comment
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Perfect.Have a nice war.Don’t call us,we’ll call you…

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By surfnow, February 28, 2012 at 6:31 am Link to this comment

For us to be held hostage by the most manipulative, belligerent nation in the world is just so typical of the Amerikan pathology.We really are friggin insane.

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By vector56, February 28, 2012 at 6:24 am Link to this comment

The photo above, Kinda makes you wonder what The “web browser” (Net-in-Yahoo) is whispering in Obama’s ear?

“Who’s your Daddy?!

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By thethirdman, February 28, 2012 at 5:55 am Link to this comment

“... a decision on whether to attack Iran is Israel’s business, not that of the U.S. or Russia.”

Couldn’t agree more.  No more money.  No more support.  When is America going to wake up and tell Israel to fuck off?

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By basho, February 28, 2012 at 5:33 am Link to this comment

Katzenjammer!
‘-is a German word literally meaning “cat’s wail” and hence “discordant sound”, sometimes used to indicate a general state of depression or bewilderment or in reference to a hangover.’ -wikipedia

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By Jim Michie, February 28, 2012 at 5:12 am Link to this comment
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Truly an outrageously despicable quid pro quo between the U.S. and ultra-conservative wacko Israel.  Both countries are to blame for this insanity.  Moreover, the polls taken in both countries show clearly that their peoples oppose any attack on Iran.  Awwww YES! That global war machine is at work-full-tilt!

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By PatrickHenry, February 28, 2012 at 3:53 am Link to this comment

I doubt Israel would notify anyone, such is their arrogance.

Just the weekly booga booga coming out of Tel Aviv threatening Iran with no justification.

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