Don’t expect ME to defend this monster, Avigdor Lieberman, or his followers, or his boss, Netanyahu!

Watch: As Israel Slides Toward Fascism, Citizens and Supporters Swear Their Loyalty

Swearing a loyalty oath to Israel as an ethnic state is gaining legitimacy; a video produced by the authors shows the willingness of Israeli residents to pledge allegiance.

By Max Blumenthal and Joseph Dana

“September 20, 2010 “Alternet” - - The Israeli Knesset is debating a bill proposed by David Rotem of the extreme right Yisrael Beiteinu party that would require all Israeli citizens to swear loyalty to Israel as a “Jewish and democratic state.” This bill is targeted at increasing pressure on the 20 percent of Israelis who are Palestinian citizens, while forcing the ultra-Orthodox Jewish minority who reject the legitimacy of any state not based on Jewish biblical law to accept Zionism. If passed in its proposed form, citizens unwilling to take the loyalty oath would be at risk of losing citizenship.

Israeli leaders committed to a classic secular political Zionist platform have always fought at all costs to guard Israel’s “Jewish character,” even while they reveal their inability to properly define exactly what it is. The loyalty oath and the push for a two-state solution are the most profound examples of the insecurity that has roiled beneath the surface in Jewish Israeli society since the state’s inception. Without a Jewish majority exhibiting clear legal and political dominance over the non-Jewish or non-Zionist minority, the Zionist movement becomes meaningless. So as the Palestinian-Israeli minority actively resists its dispossession and the ultra-Orthodox stubbornly reject the concept of a Jewish state, the Israeli establishment feels increasingly compelled to seek draconian measures to salvage its vision of Zionism.”

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“Watch the video: Feeling the Loyalty to the Jewish State of Israel”

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26404.htm

omop, that website smacks of training the next generation of dual citizens.

Re: Night-Gaunt,September 19 at 7:23 pm.

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I want the U.S. to be neutral but not wiyh the imperial Christian corporate mind-set of our leaders,either party,have other ideas.

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I wholeheartedly concur.

And that is the road on which the U.S. must walk the walk and prove to the people of the world that it has its own independent policy,serving its own interest,not the interest of influential groups of lobbyists acting on behalf of all sort of varying interests,ranging from the extreme evangelical Christians who care mostly for Armageddon/Rapture,to the Military Industrial Complex,to Israel’s AIPAC, to health insurance groups,to Pharmaceuticals,to Big Oil tycoons etc…

If every bloody group in the U.S.is allowed to lobby to protect its own interest,who in the world is going to lobby for the hard working Americans who are APOLITICAL?!!

Eradicate all laws dealing with Lobbying and election campaiagn private contributions,(remember:corporation is a person according to racent voting in the Supreme Court),in order to make both detrimental activities illegal. Then and only then,the interest of the common good for all Americans will be equally served.

Otherwise,all the talk of becoming neutral in our policy,not only in the Arab-Israel conflict but world wide will remain fruitless,since there are other pressure groups such as the Greek,Armenian lobbies etc…not as influential but still there and active.

In short,make all lobbying activities and private contributions in all America’s elections illegal and the result of such actions will be: a large part of America’s serious problems will eventually disappear and America that used to be will rise again,(Eisenhower’s/Kennedy’s America)-meaning,highly admired,America,world wide: Eisenhower’s Triumphant Parade in Paris,France;and Kennedy’s addressing a huge applauding crowd in Berlin,Germany:“Eich ben Berliner”,“I am a Berliner”,and the huge crowd of Berliners went wide in its ecstasy. What a difference between then and later decades!!

I witnessed both events. And that is why I bought Eisenhower’s silver dollar and Kennedy’s half a dollar to each one of my four grandchildren. They are the only coins I have ever bought in my entire life. I yearn to that America I happened to know in time past,hoping the present America will become…

ROBERT.

  You really should take ITW’s advice seriously he
speaketh with the backing of true blue Americans.
Check it out.

  http://www.bneiakiva.org/about/

Let those zionists, Israel’s flaming suporters, continue to attempt at diverting the truth from the American people when it comes to exposing Israel’s racist Apartheid policies & their nazi brutal occupation of the Palestinian people.

AIPAC & many other zionist lobbies with their relentless efforts cotinue to squeezes our timid, corrupt & desperate politicians for endless support & billions of $$$ from the ole American taxpayer’s empty pockets.

Unt ve vil annex der Sudenland!
Zieg Heil!
Zieg Heil!
Zieg Heil!

The one-track-mind man emerges—and, as usual post someone ELSE’S thoughts rather than his own.  The reasons for the “special relationship” are myriad, but, obviously too complex for the one-track mind.

American Public Opinion and the Special Relationship With Israel

By John Mearsheimer

September 19, 2010

“There is no question that the United States has a relationship with Israel that has no parallel in modern history. Washington gives Israel consistent, almost unconditional diplomatic backing and more foreign aid than any other country. In other words, Israel gets this aid even when it does things that the United States opposes, like building settlements. Furthermore, Israel is rarely criticized by American officials and certainly not by anyone who aspires to high office. Recall what happened last year to Charles Freeman, who was forced to withdraw as head of the National Intelligence Council because he had criticized certain Israeli policies and questioned the merits of the special relationship.

Steve Walt and I argue that there is no good strategic or moral rationale for this special relationship, and that it is largely due to the enormous influence of the Israel lobby. Critics of our claim maintain that the extremely tight bond between the two countries is the result of the fact that most Americans feel a special attachment to Israel. The American people, so the argument goes, are so deeply committed to supporting Israel generously and unreservedly that politicians of all persuasions have no choice but to support the special relationship.

The Chicago Council on Global Affairs has just released a major study of how the American public thinks about foreign policy. It is based on a survey of 2500 Americans, who were asked a wide variety of questions, some of which have bearing on Israel. Their answers make clear that most Americans are not deeply committed to Israel in any meaningful way. There is no love affair between the American people and Israel.

This is not to say that they are hostile to Israel, because they are not. But there is no evidence to support the claim that Americans feel a bond with Israel that is so strong that it leaves their leaders with little choice but to forge a special relationship with Israel. If anything the evidence indicates that if the American people had their way, the United States would treat Israel like a normal country, much the way it treats other democracies like Britain, Germany, India, and Japan.

Consider some of the study’s main findings:”

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Click on link for the rest:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26391.htm

Omop:

Amazes me how you can get every little detail WRONG!

Lieberman was picked because he headed a separate party from Netanyahu that did VERY WELL in the last elections, enough that Bibi was forced to give him the For-Min portfolio.  What little I know is that Bibi finds him to be a PITA.

OTOH, you can’t blame him for who his distant relatives are.  Obama is distantly related to Bush—very distantly.

Read on a website that Avigdor Lieberman is a distant
cousin of our own Joe Lib from Conn. Born In Moldavia
Avigdor its been reported worked as a bouncer in
either a girlie bar or discotheque before migrating to
Isarel.

Its claimed that Bibi handpicked him for the post of
Foreign Minister based on his past and expansive
experiences in “throwing people out”.

PatrickHenry, September 19 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

They both need to be removed from politics.
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This is a highly annoying post.

I am agreeing with you ENTIRELY TOO MUCH these days.  And here I go agreeing with you YET AGAIN!

Knock it off, already, will you?

As jman345 points out, there is huge irony here.“Arab” Palestinians are what remains of the inhabitants of the Holy land - Jews, Samaritans, Hittites etc - in Roman days. The Romans did not expel any but a few troublemakers in 70 AD:

In the 2nd century BC the Jewish author of the Sibylline Oracles wrote (of the Jews) that “Every land is full of thee and every sea”. Strabo, Philo, Seneca and Josephus, all bear testimony to the fact that the Jewish race was disseminated over the whole civilized world in ancient times.
There were about 10,000 Jews in Rome itself when Augustus took over in 63B.C., not to mention the thousands absorbed by the Greeks after Alexander the Great Hellenised the neighbourhood.
Great little travellers those early Jews. None of the above forced out.

The oldest known synagogue was built in Jericho and the Sanhedrin was established with Vespasian’s blessing within sight of Jerusalem in 70 AD so there wasn’t much of an expulsion. No serious Jewish scholar believes it.

Professor Israel Bartal, Dean of Humanities, Hebrew University:

“The central book of the Zionist “Jerusalem School,” “Toldot am yisrael” (“History of the Jewish People,” published in 1969), speaks extensively of the Jewish communities that existed in the Diaspora before the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem and whose total population exceeded that of the tiny Jewish community in Palestine.

No “nationalist” Jewish historian has ever tried to conceal the well-known fact that conversions to Judaism had a major impact on Jewish history in the ancient period and in the early Middle Ages. Although the myth of an exile from the Jewish homeland (Palestine) does exist in popular Israeli culture, it is negligible in serious Jewish historical discussions. Important groups in the Jewish national movement expressed reservations regarding this myth or denied it completely.”
(Haaretz 7/2008)

Tartar, Christian and Islamic armies came to the Holy Land. The armies left but the three religions remained, instilled in the people of Palestine who once called themselves Canaanites, Hebrews, Samaritans, Philistines, Hittites, Jebusites and a whole plethora of other-ites. For centuries they were Moslems, Christians and Jews. Now most of the former two are refugees. The wanderers have returned.
Judaism made flesh. Lieberman is one such.

It has to do with the psychology of our leaders and planners. Between the Christian-Zionists, and those who want Israel as the 1st anchor of control of the Middle East. The 2nd is the tame American protectorate of Iraq but the third is what? Next target is still Iran. If Israel or the USA or both attack they are going to level the country in order to keep retaliation down to a minimum. It would mean multiple millions killed to do it and wrecking the country.

Avigdor Lieberman is just speaking plainly what others have been doing for years and wanting secretly.

No matter what happens the money and weapons will still flow into them.

I want the USA to be neutral but not with the imperial Christian corporate mind-set of our leaders, either party, have other ideas.

Alright.

Usually I refrain from posting on articles because I don’t think it will do much good. Now I am against Israeli policies as much as you all are (I oppose redrawing the borders, illegal Israeli settlements, etc), but I think there are important things you should know.

The terminology of “Arab” and “Jew” are mixed up and misunderstood. ARAB Jews lived in the Middle East since before the days of Mohammad. Arab Jews still exist today. In Israel, half the Jewish population is Arab, coming from or descendants from almost all Arab countries. They are called or grouped as “Mizrahi” Jews and make up a huge chunk of the population. They speak Hebrew and Arabic just like Israeli Muslims do.

So is Lieberman racist? No. Prejudice? Yes. The simple fact is there are many brown, Arab Jews in Israel. In fact, because many live on the border towns where rockets are fired upon, many vote the right-wingers into power (not all). Jews are not all white, they come in all different shades of color. Jews aren’t a race. 

And to Paolo, Christians are treated just fine in Israel. Muslims, not so much. Still, while they are “second class citizens” (not by law, but just by prejudice), they do have the right to vote, there is a Muslim middle/upper class, and they do legally have all the rights any other citizen would have.

None of this is written to somehow condone Israeli policies. Just to make things a bit clearer.

Liebermans, Say don’t we have an idiot (I) Connecticut by that name and isn’t he cut from the same cloth.

They both need to be removed from politics.

As a libertarian, I advocate a strict “hands off” approach to foreign policy. We should be neutral in foreign affairs, like Switzerland or Sweden.

Having said that, if I had to take a stand on the Israel question, I would first ask why the US has to support, unquestioningly, a nation that makes second-class citizens or non-citizens out of indigenous peoples?

Yes, I know that Israel keeps a few thousand token Christians and Muslims as citizens, for window-dressing. But the fact is, Jews entering Israel get virtually instantaneous citizenship, while native-born Muslims and Christians have to jump through a thousand bureaucratic hoops to apply for citizenship, which they probably won’t get in the end, anyway.

Yes, I know that Muslim nations too write their laws to favor Muslims. Gosh, what a shock.

Which brings us back to the original question: why should the US support one side or the other? Why is this our concern? What bloody business is it of ours?