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Iran Politician: We Could Build a Bomb, but We Won’t

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Posted on Apr 7, 2012
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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, right, tours a research reactor center in northern Tehran in February.

For the first time, a top Iranian politician has said that his government has the knowledge, skills and technology needed to produce the enriched uranium used in atomic bombs, but that it will never do so.

While Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has insisted that possessing nuclear weapons is a sin and “useless, harmful and dangerous,” President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said that if Iran ever decided to build such weapons, it would do so openly. —ARK

The Guardian:

[Gholamreza Mesbahi] Moghadam, whose views do not represent the government’s policy, said Iran could easily create the highly enriched uranium that is used to build atomic bombs, but it was not Tehran’s policy to go down that route.

“Iran has the scientific and technological capability to produce (a) nuclear weapon, but will never choose this path,” Moghadam told the parliament’s news website, icana.ir.

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By moonraven, April 15, 2012 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

Learn at least one language—Spanish or English—take your pick and get to work.

I’d be ashamed to be illiterate in those two languages.

Fortunately, I am not—and teach in both at the university level.

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By IMax, April 14, 2012 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment

MoonRagin,

Un día vas a crecer. Incluso prosperar. Pero esto requiere que usted deje caer el odio.

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By moonraven, April 14, 2012 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

Marshall:

All gringos are driven by genocide against all non-whites.

You are clearly running right there in the middle of the pack.

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By moonraven, April 14, 2012 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

Vector:

I resent your calling me short-sighted.

I am the one who posted the similarities between the Miami Mafia’s hate campaign against Castro, Chavez, Morales, et al—and the gringos’ hate campaign against Iran!

You apparently are so short-sighted that you cannot READ!

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By PatrickHenry, April 14, 2012 at 8:59 am Link to this comment

tic,

Patsy—Mel Gibson sprang from a fucked-up father…....

 

He invariably turned out better than you.

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By Marshall, April 14, 2012 at 12:01 am Link to this comment

Perhaps not, but he called himself one in his post so i took him at his word.

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By heterochromatic, April 13, 2012 at 11:11 pm Link to this comment

no problem….other than you mistaking vec for a liberal….vec surely ain’t one.

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By Marshall, April 13, 2012 at 11:04 pm Link to this comment

Sorry - my “liberal” reference was to Vector56 (hence his by-line at the top of my
post).  When you then asked me who I was referring to, I didn’t realize you were
not Vector.

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By heterochromatic, April 13, 2012 at 10:24 pm Link to this comment

If you were referring to me, why the hell was the comment addressed to vec?

wanna try again?

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By Marshall, April 13, 2012 at 9:58 pm Link to this comment

By heterochromatic, April 13 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment

“Marshall, before you go, can you explain who you meant to describe as liberal”

I was referring to you since you’d described yourself as a liberal.  My point is that
those on the far left often frame global events as the fault of the U.S..

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By heterochromatic, April 13, 2012 at 9:48 pm Link to this comment

Marshall, before you go, can you explain who you meant to describe as liberal

“As a Liberal, I’m not surprised that you don’t see those who claim to be our
enemies as enemies”

and why it is that you think such to be a liberal position?

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By Marshall, April 13, 2012 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment

By moonraven, April 10 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

“The only reason other countries may consider developing WMDs is to take out the U.S. before you folks take us all with you over that edge into oblivion.”

That’s fanciful.  I’m afraid I disagree.

“although I am anti-nuke to the maximum, I can really see their point.  Their fears are justified, as you guys wouldn’t think twice about taking us all down with you—humans, animals, plants, rocks, rivers, the whole shootin’ match.  You guys are mean.”

Think i’m going to bow out of this discussion as there’s no real discourse with ideologs that pretend to know the motivations of entire countries and aren’t afraid to air their fantasies as rather silly simplistic generalizations.

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By Marshall, April 13, 2012 at 9:29 pm Link to this comment

By vector56, April 10 at 4:16 am Link to this comment

“Iran has “not” attacked any one in about 200 years!”

Iran’s government has only been in power 33 years and since Iran is militarily relatively weak, it has chosen to attack other countries in indirect ways like state sponsorship of terrorism in Iraq, or attacks on Israel through Hezbollah.  Recently it’s chosen to attack its own people.

“you stated that Iran was our “Enemy”?”

No, I stated that Iran says it is our enemy.  As a Liberal, I’m not surprised that you don’t see those who claim to be our enemies as enemies.  This is likely because you consider the U.S. the world’s enemy.

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By heterochromatic, April 13, 2012 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment

Patsy—Mel Gibson sprang from a fucked-up father…....


bear that in mind and best wishes for your kids

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By PatrickHenry, April 13, 2012 at 6:10 pm Link to this comment

tic,

I’m sure getting drunk with Mel would be entirely more substantial than dialogue with you.

Jewish lobbying of congress, control of the media especially the fictional world of Hollywood and the investment bankers who developed the CDO bring to mind the minority who would be king but fails miserably due to their hubris.

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By heterochromatic, April 13, 2012 at 6:42 am Link to this comment

PH——-What’s worse? a theocratic government? or the
worldwide network of ‘the tribe’ which is currently
strangling American politics, media and investment
banking.
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patsy, sounds like you’re strangling in your own
bilious bigotry and blindness.

you still getting drunk with Mel Gibson?

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By IMax, April 12, 2012 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment

MoonRage,


Es, literalmente, lo que hace que usted se enferme.  Deja ir el odio.

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By moonraven, April 12, 2012 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment

Only 13 year olds post LOL.

No wonder you pee in the sandbox here.

learn Spanish—but first, learn English.  This is a gringo site.

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By IMax, April 12, 2012 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment

MoonRagin,

Deja ir el odio. Es, literalmente, lo que hace que usted se enferme.

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By IMax, April 12, 2012 at 6:27 pm Link to this comment

LOL… you must find a way to understand, vector.  It’s not even possible for me to care any less what you think of Castro, Cuba, exiles in Florida or elsewhere.  Jeeeesus, who are you talking to in that head of yours? LOL

Hey, look at me.  Head up and look right at me.  I am interested in one thing only from you.  Answer my question or, definitely, move on.  LOL…..good grief.

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By moonraven, April 12, 2012 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment

Vector,

Imax claims that Posada and Bosch are saints now—
canonized secretly.

Bush padre canonized Bosch—gave him a pardon for crimes committed on US territory because he worked for him in the CIA.

Posada mambos until midnight every Saturday with his Miami Mafia fan club—sometimes his halo falls off.

Bunch of thugs—and they run the US policy for this hemisphere.

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By moonraven, April 12, 2012 at 5:29 pm Link to this comment

vector;

I’m sorry about that—I was being sarcastic about off-topic.  The compoarison is very clear, which is why I posted the info about Ozzy Guillen—to which heterexcremtn unload a pile of steaming racist hatespeech.

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By vector56, April 12, 2012 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

OK, IMax, I am going to try once more to help you understand that the two subjects are connected.

The Cuban exiles in Florida have a long history of working with the Global Gestapo (CIA) to kill the very people in their old country they claim they are working to free.

Iraqi, Libyan, Syrian and Iranian exiles (like your husband) sing the same song!

If you and heterochromatic are to intellectually dishonest to admit this obvious connection, you leave me no choice but to move on.

Good Day!

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By IMax, April 12, 2012 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

vector,

Like I said, I did try again. 

I honestly don’t yet know how to have an actual conversation with another who avoids my questions while simultaneously talking as if they have conjured some fictitious character(s).  Honestly, Vector.  Call the failing mine alone. 

Please note how Mr. Henry too refuses to answer questions.  Again he refuses to share his reasons for such staunch support toward a Conservative Theocracy in the Mideast.

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By heterochromatic, April 12, 2012 at 3:07 pm Link to this comment

Both claim to care about “the people” of those two
countries while working with the CIA to murder it’s
citizens.

Address the subject.

———

well subject the bs and it turns out that they seek to
remove the tyrannical governments from those countries
for the benefit of those citizens, among others.

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By vector56, April 12, 2012 at 7:58 am Link to this comment

IMax;

You and Moonraven seem to have at lest one thing in common; you both fall short of seeing how most seemly isolated events are connected.

The similarities between the Cuban rejects in Florida and Iranian exiles living in this country are striking. Both claim to care about “the people” of those two countries while working with the CIA to murder it’s citizens.

Address the subject.

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By IMax, April 11, 2012 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

vector56,

I overlook the CIA installation of the Shah?  U.S. war ships never cross my lips?  Bay of Pigs?  The MEK?  I remind you of displaced Cubans, a lot?  Castro?  All this in avoidance of answering my direct question?  Good grief….LOL

I did try, again.  It’s so very difficult to have an actual conversation while you continue avoiding questions while you simultaneously talk with an image you’ve conjured in your mind’s eye.  Not to mention your presumptuous assumptions.  It’s incredible.

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MoonRage,

Deja el odio. Se te está matando.

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By vector56, April 11, 2012 at 5:14 pm Link to this comment

“Slightly off topic here but nobody seems to know what it is anyway:”

moonraven;I beg to differ; I think there is a almost “uncanny” comparison between the Cuban exiles in Florida and these Iranians living in America like IMax’s husband. 

““My husband was born, raised, and educated in Iran.  I love Iran.  I love Iranian culture and history.  The Iranian people are the most hospitable on the planet.  But I agree with my Husband and his liberal family.  The ruling Mullah lead government is widely despised and feared.  The Iranian people will never reach their aspirations under the current government. “

If you substitute the word “Iran” for “Cuba” you might think you were listening to some one in “Little Havana”.

You may not see it, but the correspondence is there.

The general pattern that applies to Cuba, Iraq, Libya, and Venezuelan applies to Iran. In the case of the last three (they all made the mistake of daring to control their oil).

Like the Cuban exiles IMax pretends to give a shit about “Iranian people”; when Orlando Bosch blew up that Cuban plane (killing 84) he declared, “I do this for the people of Cuba!”

Today, Cuba has more Doctors per-capita than any other country in the world. The Cubans in spite of our 50 year sanction enjoy a better quality of life than under those monsters in Florida!

Orlando Bosch claimed he wanted “freedom” for the Cuban people; the same kind of freedom they enjoyed when his kind ruled Cuba!
Freedom from Health Care
Freedom from Education
Freedom from Housing

If IMax and her husband got their way, the Iranian people would enjoy the same freedom they did under the CIA backed Shah! Surely by now the darker people of Libya are now free of all the Socialism Muammar Gaddafi handed out.

This is about not allowing Iran to enrich their own uranium to make fuel themselves.

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By heterochromatic, April 11, 2012 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment

Guillen is just a drunk and fool.
He had no reason to apologize, for nearly an hour,  if he was a sincere asshole
admirer of the dictator.

Guillen is a fucking millionaire and could have simply walked away to prove how
staunch his communist credentials.

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By moonraven, April 11, 2012 at 4:24 pm Link to this comment

Slightly off topic here but nobody seems to know what it is anyway:

Ozzie Guillen, coach for the Marlins, has been reduced to a piece of protoplasm in Miami by the anti-Castristas because he said that although he doesn’t agree with Castro’s ideology, he admires him as a person of great force.

The Marlins have practically publically whipped Guillen (who is Afro-Venezuelan) at the post—he has been forced to kneel and apologize and say that Castro is evil.

That’s the Miami Mafia, all right.

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By vector56, April 11, 2012 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment

First of all IMax, I am glad you represent 50% of humanity. You being a Woman should no more be an issue here among “Liberals” than the color of your skin. That being said, I move on to issues of substance.

“My husband was born, raised, and educated in Iran.  I love Iran.  I love Iranian culture and history.  The Iranian people are the most hospitable on the planet.  But I agree with my Husband and his liberal family.  The ruling Mullah lead government is widely despised and feared.  The Iranian people will never reach their aspirations under the current government. “

Your above statements reminds me of the Cuban exiles living in Florida. Under the Dictatorship before Castro they enjoyed a life of “privilege” while vast majority of the Cuban people were expendable cheap labor. Pre-Castro, Cuba was a run by mob thugs and rich land owners. Castro and Che Guevara (and a lot of brave Cubans) “cleaned the swamp” and sent these low-life, knuckle dragging sociopaths off to Florida (with their tails between there legs)! Ever since then these monsters have worked with the CIA to destroy the the Cuban peoples revelation.

IMax, you remind me of these displace Cubans a lot.

Just as Orlando Bosch with help from the CIA murdered 84 Cubans by planting a bomb on a plane; many who say they “love” Iran work with the CIA to end the lives of Iranians while like Bosch claim the moral high ground.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/28/us/28bosch.html?pagewanted=all

Like them you support a country that overthrew the   Mossadegh government for BP!

You overlook the CIA installation of the Shah.

It does not seem to bother you much that America’s “Butt-Boy” at the time (Sadam) was encouraged to attack Iran an kill about a million people (with US tactical support).

The 240 plus citizens of Iran who were shot down by a US war ship has never seemed to cross your lips?

Like the 600 attempts to “murder” Castro, the CIA has been busy in Iran training a known “Terrorist” group (MEK) to kill Iranian Scientist along with any family member or friend who was unlucky enough to be near them at the time.

Like the callous sociopaths in Florida who can not see beyond Castor’s death you seem to give a blank check to the CIA, Mossad, and the other Western countries who have worked overtime to destroy any chance of Iran living in peace?

Hopefully, like the Cuban exiles, the CIA will lead you guys into your “Bay of Pigs”!

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By PatrickHenry, April 11, 2012 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment

imax,

Perhaps you can ask PatrickHenry why he denounces all conservatism but supports one of the most Theocratic conservative governments on the planet.

Don’t confuse facism and corporatism with conservatism, Ron Paul is a conservative the others are not.

What’s worse? a theocratic government? or the worldwide network of ‘the tribe’ which is currently strangling American politics, media and investment banking.

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By moonraven, April 11, 2012 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

Yep, the voice of reason and truth is always a threat to liars and pimps for patriotism.

Too bad.

Originality, your mother.

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By heterochromatic, April 11, 2012 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

moonie——would that you were but supposedly posting.

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By IMax, April 11, 2012 at 2:46 pm Link to this comment

MoonRagin,

Poco original.

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By moonraven, April 11, 2012 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

Oh?

People are sick because they outed you?

Do tell.

At least I know what sex I am supposedly posting as.

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By IMax, April 11, 2012 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment

MudRaging,

Usted está enfermo de odio.

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By moonraven, April 11, 2012 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

Maxipad is NOT a woman.

Which is why he—aka-heteronym—didn’t get the reference.

Caughtca and gotcha.

Game over.  No extended play.

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By IMax, April 11, 2012 at 7:02 am Link to this comment

vector56, - “The UN is nothing more than a facade…”

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I’m certain Moscow and Beijing would not only be surprised to learn this, but, I think, would vehemently disagree with your quick dismissal of their role at the United Nations and the world at large.  I am 100% certain, due to my own close personal experiences in the Arab world, the same holds true for Arab dictators.  It may even be said that you exemplify an all too typical American arrogance in believing the world revolves around the United States.  The real truth is, it doesn’t. 

You still have not explained why you believed Arab nations vote the way of the American government only to change, in 180 degree fashion, that narrative when you learned your first theory turns out to be untrue.  Your two theories cannot live side-by-side, can they?  Is it not one or the other?

Either way, you argue, we should all dismiss anything that comes from the mouths of Arab leaders and take Iranian leaders at their word. 

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Full disclosure: My husband was born, raised, and educated in Iran.  I love Iran.  I love Iranian culture and history.  The Iranian people are the most hospitable on the planet.  But I agree with my Husband and his liberal family.  The ruling Mullah lead government is widely despised and feared.  The Iranian people will never reach their aspirations under the current government.  I say “Occupy” Tehran in support of liberal-minded Iranians.

Perhaps you can ask PatrickHenry why he denounces all conservatism but supports one of the most Theocratic conservative governments on the planet.  He refuses to answer when I ask.  It would seem he believes that if a government apposes Israel and the U.S., those governments are to be held up as heroes, regardless of his own moral ideology.  F’ liberals in other places.  They have their agenda and he has his.

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P.S. Patrick understood months ago that I a woman married to an Iranian citizen.  His “MaxiPad” label is hilarious.

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By vector56, April 11, 2012 at 3:16 am Link to this comment

“The UN is nothing more than a facade created so guys like you can “pretend” empires don’t rule the day. “


Replace the word “Guys” with “People”.

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By PatrickHenry, April 11, 2012 at 3:09 am Link to this comment

imax,

Ohhhh, I get it.  Because I’m a woman.  Very funny.

Are you?

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By vector56, April 11, 2012 at 2:14 am Link to this comment

“Also, things being what they are, should the U.S. do business with dictators in the Middle East or end all business in the Middle East and leave it to others? -”

IMax above is your statement that “implies” that “oil kingdoms and Shiekdoms (Monarchies)” are necessary for the US companies to do business there. Also, stop wasting your time trying to make “personal”.

Iran is trying to create their own nuclear fuel for their reactors so as not to be held hostage by the West. This is rarely mentioned by any of the Neo-Con/Zionist cheer leaders here or that permeate the corporate media. Under the agreement Iran signed they have the right to produce their own nuclear fuel; this explains the 2% to 20% enrichment.  Add to this that Israel won’t talk about their Atomic stock pile and America has backed out of and canceled countless nuclear weapons agreements with the USSR, and the UN the “trumped up” reasons in the corporate media to attack Iran seem as lame as that phony attack on the Saudi Ambassador our fake media jumped all over a few months ago. Ever watch an employer create a fake “paper trail” to justify firing an employee? This is what we are doing to Iran.

Lastly, IMax dump the weak argument that the “puppet” states we keep alive to oppress their own people will ever act without our approval. The only state in the Middle East that could ever double cross us and live to brag about it is Israel.

The UN is nothing more than a facade created so guys like you can “pretend” empires don’t rule the day.

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By IMax, April 10, 2012 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

Maxipad? 

Ohhhh, I get it.  Because I’m a woman.  Very funny.

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By IMax, April 10, 2012 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment

vector56, - “Your above statement assumes that that if the people of the regions controlled their own governments (Democracy) that it would somehow be bad for business?”

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This is how you talk past others.  Nothing I wrote could be construed that way by anyone reasonably trying to listen to another.  You assume FAR too much in reaching your conclusions.  You’re not even trying to talk to me.  You’re talking to a box you’ve created.

Why claim the Arab League votes the way of the U.S. as puppets?  You were so certain of it that you suggested all who don’t see it must be idiots.  Yet it turns out to be not at all true.  Arab states more often vote the opposite.  Can we go back to explaining this first theory before you change the subject?

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By PatrickHenry, April 10, 2012 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment

Maxipad,

Do you mean all the oil kingdoms and Shiekdoms?, monarchies where slavery is still rampant, womens rights non existent and beheadings happen frequently.  These Arab monarchies make Iran look liberal.

I would rather it be stuck to israel as I am fond of the U.S.and care very little about what happens to the issies. 

I can only hope for a change of government which will sweep out all the zionists and neocons and cut off all foreign military aid.

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By vector56, April 10, 2012 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment

“If the Arab League is faked, if the United Nations is faked, what is real and what are you basing any opinion on?  Also, things being what they are, should the U.S. do business with dictators in the Middle East or end all business in the Middle East and leave it to others? -”

IMax; to answer the first part of your question; “what is real” ; behind the various facades (Arab League, UN,...) is a Global Corporate Empire backed by an awesome killing machine (the US Military) and a global Gestapo (CIA). The rules are simple; either you participate in a “rigged” game (the market) or you die! Nationalizing your oil draws the Gestapo (CIA) to you like a fly to shit.

“should the U.S. do business with dictators in the Middle East or end all business in the Middle East and leave it to others? “

To paraphrase; “if we don’t exploit them, some else will”.

Your above statement assumes that that if the people of the regions controlled their own governments (Democracy) that it would somehow be bad for business? No, I do not think that the US or any other country that “claims” to be a “Democracy” should ever do business with countries that do not allow their people to vote!!!

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By IMax, April 10, 2012 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

“I could care less if Iran gets an A-bomb.”

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Which, if we are to take all surrounding Arab nations seriously, means a quickened nuclear arms race in the most volatile region on the planet.

I suppose that’s one way to stick it to Israel and the United States, Pat.

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By PatrickHenry, April 10, 2012 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

I could care less if Iran gets an A-bomb.

Maybe then we can bring the fleets home and let the oil flow.  F’ the speculators.

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By heterochromatic, April 10, 2012 at 4:21 pm Link to this comment

vec—- you DO understand that Romney is not a mainstream Chritian…and, of
course, the guy currently in the White House is a double-secret Islamic terrorist.

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By IMax, April 10, 2012 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment

vector56,

Talking past one another.

Try beginning a conversation like you’re talking to your Grand Mother.  Do you not step into every thread as if telling people how utterly stupid and evil they are for not looking on the world as you do?  You know as well as anyone, O.K. perhaps not Moonragin LOL, but you know this never works in bringing people to a conversation. - It also helps if all are willing to answer questions.

In the context of Iran you stated that Arab League nations are puppets to the United States and will vote in the U.N. the way they are instructed.  After I showed you how Arab States most often make their views known with votes in favor of the U.S. (none more than roughly 35% that I am aware of) you now demand I’m must be an idiot for not knowing that it’s all fake to begin with?  Come now.  Obviously anyone would be confused by what you’re seeing.

Minus any drama can you simply answer a couple of question?  If the Arab League is faked, if the United Nations is faked, what is real and what are you basing any opinion on?  Also, things being what they are, should the U.S. do business with dictators in the Middle East or end all business in the Middle East and leave it to others? - This is not a trap, I promise.  But whomever says Middle Eastern nations should be allowed their own affairs (assuming also no China or Russia), we’re still left with Iran surrounded by Arab nations who fear Iran and promise, promise mind you, to pursue their own nuclear weapons in the most volatile region on the planet.

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On the whole and separate from my question to you, I believe it’s not only wrong to be dismissive of Arab dictators, but dangerous as well.  Arab politics has less to do with the Russia, China, and the United States and more to do with centuries of Arab politics.  We should be aware of this and allow for it when looking at the globe entire.  Not just the United States.

Again, and I can’t stress this enough (and will continue each time this topic arises), Iran’s closest neighbors, each and every one but for Syria, fear Iran as a nuclear weapons state.  It’s not right to be so dismissive.  The absolute right thing to do it ask ourselves why this is.  It makes no sense to attack anyone for bringing this to its proper attention.  Iran deserves no special dispensation over its actions because it chooses Russia and China over the U.S. Britain, France and Germany.

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By vector56, April 10, 2012 at 4:13 pm Link to this comment

“Iranian Constitution makes vetting for political and religious
conformity an official duty of the Guardians Council…..we don’t quite reach that
here. “

Right, try being anything other than a Christian in this country while you run for president.

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By moonraven, April 10, 2012 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment

Since I do not belong to any spy agencies, heteronym, why would I want to start stacking up passports from different countries?

That’s for the spies that have followed me around ever since my first trip to Venezuela to meet Chavez.

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By heterochromatic, April 10, 2012 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

vec—-if you think Corporations don’t do what you have described above here I
have some swamp land I would like to sell you.—-


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I expected that rejoinder and won’t deny that it contains some truth, but will point
out that the Iranian Constitution makes vetting for political and religious
conformity an official duty of the Guardians Council…..we don’t quite reach that
here.

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By heterochromatic, April 10, 2012 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

I don’t think that you do, was suggesting that it ain’t that hard to secure one….and
you’ve several times noted that you don’t think that you could get into Tehran in
your US one.

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By moonraven, April 10, 2012 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

heteronym:

Fishing, huh?

What makes you think I travel on a Mexican passpor?

I have state several times on this site that the only part of Iran I have visited is the free zone of Kish Island, which does not require a visa, as US citizens are not given visas.  Daily cheap flights from Dubai.

But, apart from that, I can go wherever I damn please.  All I have to do is come up with the airfare, or a short-term consulting gig that will pay for everything.

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By vector56, April 10, 2012 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment

“figurehead presidency are pre-screened and no
one not approved by the dictatorship gets on any ballot ever. “

heterochromatic; if you think Corporations don’t do what you have described above here I have some swamp land I would like to sell you. The Corporate Media in this country tells us who to waste our vote on year after year picking from a very short list of Blue and Red pro-corporate candidate.

Understand that people like you and IMax don’t get to “pick” our enemies! Just because Israel wants Iran to look like what we left behind in Iraq does not mean everyone in this country will fall inline and not ask questions. Those who put the “Jewish State’s ” need to shed Muslim blood above the long term interest of this country should move there.

Speaking of Iran; I caught Seymour Hersh on Democracy Now today letting us know that this “War on Terror” that has taken the lives of so many human beings around the world is nothing more than a farce to cover the tracks of Empire.

It would seem that our government under Bush was training a known Terrorist group (MEK)in this country and sending them back to Iran to commit murder and mayhem. 

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/10/training_terrorists_in_nevada_seymour_hersh

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By heterochromatic, April 10, 2012 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

ain’t hard to get into Iran proper with a Mexican passport is it?

go and enjoy. Ahmadinejad is a figurehead and was discarded a year ago. really
loved that the Khamenei thugs arrested Mahmoud’s men and charged them
w/sorcery.

http://tinyurl.com/74pk9vq

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By moonraven, April 10, 2012 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment

vector:

PLEASE do not malign ELK and other animals on these threads when you mean to say the ILK of piecework sockpuppets heteronym/imax.

It’s bad enough the calumnious abuse that poster subjects goats to daily on this site.

Someone should alert PETA—goats are, after all, domestic animals.

The elk can fend for themselves outside of hunting season—so, please don’t extend that season.

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By moonraven, April 10, 2012 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

Hetero:

I happened to be in the “neighborhood” right across that little stretch of water from Iran in Bahrain when the current president of Iran was elected in August of 2005.  We saw a lot of coverage on t.v. there as many folks of Iranian origin live in Bahrain (including several profs who were working for me) and Iran still claims Bahrain as part of its territory.

At that time the US still had the Midland Texas village idiot running the the Oval Office asylum—who would be immortalized right around that time with his “heckuvajob, Brownie” comments that I saw on satellite t.v. after the Karina racist dustup.

The village idiot did not impress this poster. 

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad DID impress me—an astute politician, an intelligent guy, literate (not given to reading My Pet Goat upside down during major crises in his country) and with a good sense of humor.

In short, though he is short, that guy is head and shoulders as a head of state above the likes of Bush and his blackface doppleganger Obama.

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By heterochromatic, April 10, 2012 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment

vec——has it ever occurred to you to actually take a look at the electoral process
in Iran?

try it. you’ll notice tht the the head of state is not an elected office and that ALL
candidates for the legislature and figurehead presidency are pre-screened and no
one not approved by the dictatorship gets on any ballot ever.

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By vector56, April 10, 2012 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment

“vec—- you just go on speaking about dictatorships in
the Arab league and try to ignore that Iran is a
dictatorial theocracy where a bunch of priests preside
over laws every bit as bad as any of the Arab states. “

heterochromatic; your above argument is “weak” even for you. First of all most of the “fake-states” in the so-called Arab League don’t even bother to fake holding election like we do (Bush v Gore). You and your elk might not like the results of the elections held in Iran, just as I do not agree with the results of most US (electronic voting machine) elections but we still get to pretend we have a Democracy.

I summit that the “Corporate” control of our government is far greater than the grip the “theocracy ” has on Iran.


The only difference between the two countries is that one (US) has a history of committing a nuclear holocaust (twice) and the other (Iran) does not.

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By heterochromatic, April 10, 2012 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment

vec—- the House of saud was the biggest thing in Arabia back when George
Washington was our president.


I’ll not miss them when they go, but they’ve hung on for quite some time and I
suspect that they’ll last a little longer than the Iranian theocracy.  The Iranians
simply aren’t as strongly conditioned to accept the nonsense that the Saudi
Arabians endure.

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By vector56, April 10, 2012 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

IMax, heterochromatic at what point will we stop talking past one another?

We all know Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the bunch of those “fake” puppet states would not last a week without our merciless killing machine backing them up.
Who gives a shit the way a “puppet” state votes in a “fake” organization (UN)?

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By heterochromatic, April 10, 2012 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

how much does the goat bill you for services rendered, goatboy?

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By moonraven, April 10, 2012 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment

Hetero just billed the US government 25 cents for that silly post.

And the rest of you suckers PAID him with your tax dollars.

I rest my cases, all of them.

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By heterochromatic, April 10, 2012 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment

who cares

what scares you?

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By moonraven, April 10, 2012 at 12:05 pm Link to this comment

Who cares?

What scares me is not that Iran someday in the distant future might make a nuclear weapon.

What scares me is that the gringos and zionists and paquistanis and chinese and indians and russians and french and wh the hell knows who else DO have them.

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By heterochromatic, April 10, 2012 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

of course, the claim that Iran would NEVER produce
nuclear weapons doesn’t stand up to scrutiny…...they
must have they idea that they might produce them or
they wouldn’t be going to a hell of a lot of trouble
and expense to develop the materials and skills that
would allow them to produce nuclear weapons.

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By moonraven, April 10, 2012 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

As usual, most of the posts here are US government piecework posts by hettie/imax in the form of personal attacks against me.

It must really hurt you guys in the nuts to be so outclassed by a non-white female.

Move on.

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By heterochromatic, April 10, 2012 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

vec—- you just go on speaking about dictatorships in
the Arab league and try to ignore that Iran is a
dictatorial theocracy where a bunch of priests preside
over laws every bit as bad as any of the Arab states.

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By moonraven, April 10, 2012 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

Imax/hettie:

OOOOOOOOOOH the well-travelled geopolitcal authority has been heard from again.

After I wipe down the letrine here—you whites can’t stoop to cleaning up after yourselves—perhaps we can return to the topic?

What’s in the newspapers here in mexico is none of this silly shit printed on this site—it’s the statement by Iran’s nuclear minister that their uranium, which is enriched to 20%, is not bomb material.

And he is right, it takes an 80% enricvgment.

He also said Iran is not going to buy its urnanium for its research reactor from gringos at super-inflated prices.

Talk about forcing a market to open itself to predatory gringo capitalists!

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By moonraven, April 10, 2012 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

Marshall:

Uh, you got your geography all mixed up here.

It’s not Iran that is teetering at the edge of a precipice, it’s the U.S.

The only reason other countries may consider developing WMDs is to take out the U.S. before you folks take us all with you over that edge into oblivion.

To me, although I am anti-nuke to the maximum, I can really see their point.  Their fears are justified, as you guys wouldn’t think twice about taking us all down with you—humans, animals, plants, rocks, rivers, the whole shootin’ match.  You guys are mean.

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By moonraven, April 10, 2012 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

urfboy:

You become more infantile and more obscene in each personal attack against me.

Just to wise you up, kid:  Native American women do not spend 20 years doing service work in small villages in Mexico because they are making pornographic videos there.

It’s quite clear from your post that your only contact with the third world is that of a sexual tourist.  We try to put folks like you in our cute l’il Mexican jails when we catch you with your pants down.

Toe to toe with Nixon’s lawyer—where?  Doing precisely what?  Don’t answer, as you probably don’t even know that Nixon died for your sins some years back.

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By 1984 or 1776, April 10, 2012 at 10:06 am Link to this comment

Yin / Yang
Action / Reaction

US got nukes / Russia got nukes
India got nukes / Pakistan got nukes

Israel got nukes / Iran will get nukes

Israel is reaping what is sowed when it decided to get
nukes.

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By IMax, April 10, 2012 at 9:08 am Link to this comment

vector56,

Your narrative does not stand up to scrutiny.  Putting aside emotion we can ask ourselves a pertinent and illustrative question.  How many times, for example, had Saudi Arabia voted in the U.N. in favor of the United States in 2010?  Answer: 31%.  Egypt 31%.  Jordan 33%.  These are not the actions of the “puppets” you describe.  How would you begin to explain this problem in your narrative?

With the exception of Syria, every other Middle Eastern government fears Iran as nuclear weapons state.  Several have vowed to begin their own nuclear weapons programs if such a thing comes to pass.

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As an aside: One cannot be labeled a “New-Conservative” for simply paying attention.  I have scads of problems with Saudi Arabia.

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By vector56, April 10, 2012 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

“It cannot be ignored that, aside from Syria, every Middle Eastern government fears Iran as a nuclear weapons state.  Why would so many people who criticize others for being arrogantly dismissive continuously be so arrogantly dismissive of Iran’s neighbors? “

IMAx you and your alter Ego (heterochromatic) milk your above statement to death! Rarely do either of you mention that these “Arabic” (Sunni) states you hold up so much are nothing more than “puppet” governments ruled by CIA supported Dictators. The so-called Arab League is nothing more than a collection of countries where the people “do not vote”, ruled by tyrants we back with our military.
So, please don’t insult our intelligence pimping your neo-con bull shit.

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By heterochromatic, April 10, 2012 at 6:47 am Link to this comment

” I am not a crook”

R Moonraven Nixon

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By IMax, April 10, 2012 at 6:02 am Link to this comment

‘I am not confuzed.  I have never been confuzed.  I am not iliterate.  Millions of gringos are—as evedenced by the incoharent posts on this site.  I’m off this infantile site.’ -  shock

—Moonragin,  March 2012

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By IMax, April 10, 2012 at 5:53 am Link to this comment

It is true that it’s long been believed that Israel posses nuclear weapons.  It is also true that it wasn’t until Iraq, Syria, and Iran began pursuing nuclear programs themselves did the Arab world, as a whole, threaten a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.

It cannot be ignored that, aside from Syria, every Middle Eastern government fears Iran as a nuclear weapons state.  Why would so many people who criticize others for being arrogantly dismissive continuously be so arrogantly dismissive of Iran’s neighbors?

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By vector56, April 10, 2012 at 5:16 am Link to this comment

Marshal;

to call you a fraud would be an understatement. Your “racist” cold NAZI like assessment of Iran does not take into account that Iran has “not” attacked any one in about 200 years! Secondly, while implying that Iran is a religious loose cannon and therefore is more than likely to use nukes totally flies in face of the “History” we know! In all of human history to-date, only one country has unleashed a Nuclear Holocaust (twice) on humanity. This is a fact that all the misdirection and bull shit will not cover up!

Also, you stated that Iran was our “Enemy”? You undercover Neo-Cons need to speak for yourselves! As a Liberal, I do not, nor I ever considered Iran an enemy!

Lastly, when one considers the countless attacks on Iran;

The CIA overthrow of their government in the 50’s.
CIA Installment of the Shah.
Sicking Sadam on them.
Shooting down a Passenger Plane killing 200 plus people.
Killing their Scientist

it is no wonder they want to defend themselves! So, tell me Marshall, who are you working for, the Neo-cons or the “Chosen People”?

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By 1984 or 1776, April 10, 2012 at 4:56 am Link to this comment

Crashing the economy and putting me at risk for Exxon &
Friends is worth it in the minds our rulers. Too bad
they don’t represent me.

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By gerard, April 9 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

No one’s arguing for more nukes - that’s the whole point of the NNPT; to
prevent non-nuclear states from developing them, then to allow gradual
reductions by those that already have them.

I essentially agree with your first two points, but you’re mistaken about your
last.  Nation’s make a cost/benefit analysis about the development of nukes. 
Some countries, like S. Africa and Libya, realized that the cost exceeded the
benefit and they abandoned their programs.  But when a volatile and
ideologically driven country like Iran teeters at the edge of that precipice, it’s
crucial that the world convince them of the gravity of the calculous.  N. Korea
developed nukes while claiming otherwise and we can’t allow Iran to follow that
course.  Iran’s primary motivation for nukes is regional, not a threat from the
U.S. - which has made clear that it has no intention of attacking it for any other
reason than to prevent it from developing nuclear weapons.

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By grokker, April 9 at 5:42 am Link to this comment

Why is it at all surprising that we apply a different standard to allies than to
those who claim to be our enemy?  There is no requirement in foreign relations
to apply the same standard to friend and foe alike.

You also have no cause to be an apologist for Iran by blaming its lack of
transparency on the U.S..  That’s a cheap out for a government that has no
allies besides those few with business interests at stake and whom the
international community has universally condemned, not to mention vast
numbers of its own people.  And I entirely disagree with your assessment of our
image to the world’s people.

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By moonraven, April 9, 2012 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment

Surfer:

It would be useful on an English language site for several of you folks to learn the language.

Calling me a lunatic doesn’t make you look like an adult who knows what he’s doing—it makes you look like a 4 year old pissing in the daycare sandbox.  Do you really think it increased your credibility as an expert in geopolitics?

I’ve earned my stripes, kid, in most of the corners of this planet.  I don’t believe in god so of course I don’t talk to him.

For that, you’d have to engage heteronym, who claims to talk to him all the time and receive secret information about the Irani nuclear progream from him.

Yep, there are lunatics who post here, but I am not one of them.

Not yet, anyway.

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By moonraven, April 9, 2012 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment

Folks can decide for themselves just how much information—versus disinformation—you actually post here.

I decided a long time ago:  100% disinformation, and when not posting that it’s infantile personal attacks against folks who actually post information and/or have outed you as a US government piecework poster.

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By heterochromatic, April 9, 2012 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment

stick to blowing goats then, moon boy.

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By moonraven, April 9, 2012 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment

I don’t have to back up anything—it’s up to you to prove I am wrong.

There is no presumption of innocence in the US—and even less in internet.

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By heterochromatic, April 9, 2012 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment

moonie—- I’m just tired of reading your babble…. back it up or blow.

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By heterochromatic, April 9, 2012 at 5:37 pm Link to this comment

jr….. absolute unconditional freedom exists when there’s a single entity per
planet…,. thanks for the offer, but if you can’t explain things better than that
offering, no thanks.

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By moonraven, April 9, 2012 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

surfer:

You have yet to post something on this site that makes sense.

Is that a deliberate posture, or do you just plain not have a clue about the World outside the US?

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By moonraven, April 9, 2012 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

Looks like a hit a tender tissue of heteronym, who is more foul-mouthed and sexually perverse than usual in his infantile personal attacks against me.

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By jr., April 9, 2012 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic;

Not that you have any real need to know, but out of the kindness of being i’ll bless you with a response.

I am a supporter of absolute, unconditional Freedom.

That doesn’t mean freedom for this group, and not that.  Or, freedom of that group, and not this.  Nor, freedom of one over the other.  Were you the organizations that be not interested in true freedom, perhaps you should have thought twice before starting the race for technology in the beginning.

That’s all i have to say on the matter.  If you’re wanting to hear more, feel free to visit my Dad at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxU-HWy2tSY&feature=fvst

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By heterochromatic, April 9, 2012 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment

moonie- your bullshit about my being employed to post
makes you quite tiresome and marks you as the lunatic
you are.

it’s the mark of a demented fool to fell the need to
inflate their sense of self-importance so that it
would seem logical that powerful forces would be
employed to thwart them…..


you’re just some sad soul and not worth the bother.

kiss the kids, krazy old goat-groper.

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By blogdog, April 9, 2012 at 3:19 pm Link to this comment

….but they come…

INDEED they do; directed from the bowels of Langley, Vauxhall Cross
and Tel Aviv

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By PatrickHenry, April 9, 2012 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

Shame they can’t buy the bombs from the issies, symington amendment and all that nuisance NPT stuff notwithstanding.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons

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By moonraven, April 9, 2012 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment

Nobel Literature laureate Gunter Grass is in hot zionist lava all over the media because he wrote a poem in which he pointed out that Israel and its nukes were the single biggest threat to world peace.  It was called That Which Must Be Said.

The raging cried of “jew-baiter, anti-semite, bad German” have been shelling him for the past week now.

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By moonraven, April 9, 2012 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

The list in decending order from which the U.S. gets its petroleum   is topped by:

1.  Canada
2.  Saudi Arabia
3.  Venezuela
4.  Mexico

At one point Mexico was in the number 2 spot, but it is on a downward production spiral due to failure to replace obsolete infrastructure, as the money from PEMEX income is syphoned off to the pockets of the top pols here.

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By moonraven, April 9, 2012 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment

More disinformation being posted here by heteronym at the bidding of his U.S. government employer.

Just say NO to paid piecework shills!

He couldn’t find Iran on a map but he claims to have “secret, inside information ” on their plans to build nuclear weapons.

Right.

Pul the other one.

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By heterochromatic, April 9, 2012 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment

dog—- the attacks don’t come directly from uniformed military….but they
come…..despite worlds worth of weaponry.

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