“lucky you didn’t get slammed by an ad hominem browbeating from Heterochromatic on the so-called ‘right’ or Diamond on the so-called ‘left’”

Oooooh yeah. Lucky. Real lucky. If people write fact-free, idiotic nonsense they should get slammed and Heterochromatic never met a fact he didn’t hate on sight. He spins so much he can’t walk straight. I only point out his misinformation. A lousy job, but someone’s got to do it.

Newt Gingrich is similarly lost in a fantasy world of his own creation:

Gingrich was a fan of Revolution in Military Affairs and rapid dominance and he fantasized about the technological future of drones and robots with the intellectual brilliance he has so often displayed.

‘Virtually every soldier in combat in 2010 will have somewhere on their body a person telephone linked by satellite to a world telephone network’ he said in a speech before he abruptly resigned in 1999. ‘That telephone will probably be a…personal communication system that will also have a computer compatibility, faxing capability so during lulls they can arrange a date’ (from ‘Private Warriors’, Ken Silverstein).

Since Gingrich is now married to his sixth wife, his interest in arranging a date, even on a battlefield, is only logical.

RE: ...condescending assumptions…

wow, that’s some thin skin - please accept my sincere apology if I offended you,
Ambill94 - maybe you’re new to the blogoshpere at large - if so, you’ll soon learn
the any reply that opens with “forgive…” as genuine, not passive aggressive, is
rare indeed - and trust me, it was genuine, as is the this apology

lucky you didn’t get slammed by an ad hominem browbeating from
Heterochromatic on the so-called ‘right’ or Diamond on the so-called ‘left’

Its clear that some of you have this blog totally under control. Electronic discussion is an open forum, which means that hopefully more and more people will come by to join the conversation and add their perspective to dialog.

To make condescending assumptions about what people who stop by here know or don’t know is not the way to build a blog. If I had known this was a private “room” where only the elite get to posture I would not have bothered.

Good luck to truthdig if all their threads are inhabited by the same overbearing nonsense.

Shame, we could have built a much needed school somewhere in America for what this thing cost.

RE: Perhaps, but failing to include much of the mainstream US media in this comment is
disingenuous.

forgive the assumption that everyone (at least in these blogs) knows we’re continually lied to by the
MSM

the point: so-called ‘alternative’ sources like Al Jazeera, Democracy Now, The Nation should be
equally scrutinized

as for Skunkworks latest ‘toy’, agreed, it’s firmware/chipset and propulsion system are far beyond
what one sees in the park on Sunday, nevertheless the difficulty of producing a workable nuclear
triggering system should not be dismissed

good point: if they really got one,  may not be wise to show it - question everything being reported
on this at this time - could be Iran has decided it needs to grind out some agitprop of its own to
counter that coming out of NATO Intelligence

correction:
Fox News coming to party just hours ago.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/09/images-iranian-nuclear-facility-provide-intel-into-recent-explosion/

forgive the Outrageous ripoff & EmileZ inspiration:
for the “nay-sayers”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY

Meanwhile, Iranian nuke plants and missile sites are accidentally blowing themselves up!
No word of it here on TruthDig, the MSM or Fox from what I see.

Ka-blooey!

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/12/05/2532802/iran-explosions-prompt-speculation.html

Blam-O!

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iran-bomb-20111205,0,7550482.story

ka-BOOM!

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/a-second-iranian-nuclear-facility-has-exploded-as-diplomatic-tensions-rise-between-the-west-and-tehran/story-e6frg6so-1226209996774

more hmmmmmm…

Hmmm…wasn’t the shoot-down of Gary Powers; U-2 spy plane the incident that led, ultimately and inexorably, to the Cuban missile crisis?

Also, this is not the first time - this year - that a foreign country got its hands on “stealth” technology: are you forgetting that a few strategic pieces of the stealth helicopter were left behind after the alleged Bin Laden raid?

Hmmm…

blogdog,

You may be misunderstanding this situation.

- If reports are correct the drone Iran claims to have downed, the RQ-170 Sentinel, is a highly sophisticated piece (far from a simple toy). Several components of the Sentinel are manufactured by a single manufacturer with billion dollar facilities and capabilities beyond the grasp to all but a handful of Nation States. It would likely take Iran decades to duplicate the materials and technology. - China, on the other had, is different matter altogether.

- A crude nuclear devise can be constructed by nearly any nation. The devise is not the hard part. Its obtaining or manufacturing the fissile material.

With no obvious signs of a gaping hole in the drone, with no signs of an uncontrolled (crash) landing, it seems unlikely that Iran shot this vehicle down. According to U.S. sources the operator was able to set the vehicle down in a controlled manner.

It seems nun-too-bright for Iran to show this vehicle on State TV after claiming a shoot-down.

blogdog,

a couple of observations:

“...indeed: we’re told repeatedly of Iran’s ‘nuclear capability’, but now that they can’t figure out how to fly toy airplanes…”

Correct, we are told these things by OUR military/state department etc. using information from various “intelligence” agencies.

“...contradictions like this are expected from globalist
deflective source disinformation organs like Al Jazeera…”

Perhaps, but failing to include much of the mainstream US media in this comment is disingenuous.

RE: ...United States had doubts “the Iranians have the expertise” to exploit the
technology… - Well, this is awkward.

indeed: we’re told repeatedly of Iran’s ‘nuclear capability’, but now that they can’t
figure out how to fly toy airplanes

contradictions like this are expected from globalist
deflective source disinformation organs like Al Jazeera

From aljazeera.net http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2011/12/201112818188328743.html

Above is the aljazeera article on the capture of the RQ-170 drone. I found the following line in the article amusing to say the least: “But a US official, who declined to be named, said on Wednesday that the United States had doubts “the Iranians have the expertise” to exploit the technology found in the wrecked vehicle.”

First of all, though we can’t see the landing gear, the body does not look like a “wrecked vehicle”.

Secondly, the statement by that “US official” is amazing. Are we supposed to believe that Iranians do not have sophisticated electronics/computer expertise enough to “exploit the technology”...hmmmm

gerard,

In your zealousness you misread or misunderstood my question.

When I first heard about this I thought that the “capture” was allowed to happen…fuel for more misplaced aggression toward Iran…like the proof that we knew of an Iranian plot to assassinate the ambassador from Saudi Arabia or wherever?

One way or another we seem hell-bent on creating whatever evidence we can to justify military action. I hope the people that are not brain dead in this country are contacting their reps and the WH about NO WAR WITH IRAN, or anyone else for that matter.

IMax, you can’t be serious?  Most other nations of the world are entirely incapable of the amount of domination and deadly military threat projected every day by the United States of America. The overwhelming power of our military is a danger even to ourselves because it not only kills our children along with other peoples’ but it bleeds the “lower classes” for endless funding of increasinglly dangerous “war toys”, at the same time scaring them into compliance.
  Those other countries you mention who are also threatening, buy their stuff from us, which is how Wall Street gets so rich. Didn’t we learn last week that people in the Middle East are being pepper-sprayed with stuff made in Jamestown, Pa.? why is that?  Now Iran apparently has a drone to copy, courtesy of US stupidity.
  I don’t want to admit what I see, either, but—it’s there “right in front of God and everybody” as we used to say years ago!

I agree with litlepeep that Americans are sick and tired of the war-mongering of
the last 10 years, and a significant number are smart enough (I hope) to see
that the enormous expenses are significantly crushing the economy. 

Obama’s pandering to the lowest common denominator (those engorged hawks
wobbling on the ground) may come back to bite him, along with his undeniable
and consistent tendency to say one thing and do another in domestic matters.
Just this week he boasted of killing al-Awlaki and bin Laden along with the
effectiveness of his Done campaigns and Libyan intervention.

But wait a minute, of course, those aren’t acts of war!  At least, not with the
administration spinmeisters and the DoJ, who have taken the logic of Lewis
Carrol’s Humpty Dumpty to new levels of the lowly.  And boy have they
shattered the Constitution along with the Geneva Conventions!

It’s intact. It didn’t crash. It was landed.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/maximum-visibility/

I suppose the good news is that US foreign military blundering, which has steadily gotten worse, war-after-undeclared war, since 1945, is finally becoming a topic in the US.

Until this year, all that growing and increasingly expensive and increasingly inept war-mongering has been totally chamber-of-commerce-boosterism-puritanical-taboo-to-question.

This election year is already proving to be a very long and increasingly ugly mess.  Indeed, why should we even count upon having an election?  What if it proves inconvenient for certain people who happen to control the puppets nominally in power?

It is hardly news that Commanders in Chief who very much need boosts in popularity (today’s polls) will turn to foreign military adventurism to get that boost.

This is why the first US Commander in Chief warned us against tolerating such foreign military adventurism.

The puzzle is why do we American voters continue rewarding these half-witted Commanders-in-Chief with re-election?

Like all wars, undeclared ones also have unintended consequences.  This will at least break the Empire’s monopoly on drones.  Obamanation’s timing proves impeccable once again, wonder if he’d like a do-over on his saber rattling with China.

Newsmaxx, your naivete is priceless.

race_to_the_bottom,

I’m curious. How do you conclude the to be U.S. uniquely corrupt? I see the same behaviors by all people and all nations.

Will be funny to see how Obamabots justify voting for “the lesser of two evils” (instead of for an independent) IF Israel attacks Iran and Obama does exactly what Bush, Romney or Gingrich would do, support the strike and join in.

To people in the US, this is just “normal” behavior for the US. To talk openly of attacking or invading other counties is just “normal” in the US.In most countries, and in international law, this simply is not acceptable and is a crime.  USians don’t even know that the US is the true rogue nation of the world and violates international law daily.

of course this is nothing new, except for the angle of loosing a state-of-the-art
espionage unit… high points in the US/IRAN espionage history:

1. CIA and MOSSAD target Iran’s nuclear facilities with the Stuxnet computer worm
2. CIA, for over 5 years now, runs terrorists into Iran from Baluchistan
3. CIA, for over 5 years now,  supports PKK rebels on Iran’s eastern boarder
4. CIA operatives supported and incited Green Revolution actions 18 months ago
5. US supported and prompted Iraq to invade Iran in 1980, resulting 8-years of
bloody war, in the middle of which the US shot down an Iranian civilian airliner
6. After the Islamic Revolution, Brzezinski tried to enlist the Mullas in his Grand
Chessboard Arc of Crisis plan against the USSR - fell apart when US took in the
Shaw for medical treatment, resulting in Embassy hostage taking - Iran called the
US Embassy a ‘nest of spies’
7. CIA/MI6 instigated the coup against the democratically elected Mossadek and
reinstated the Shaw

tell the truth: anyone think that ‘nest of spies’ assessment was wrong?