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Ear to the Ground

Hugo Chavez Needs a Third Surgery

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Posted on Feb 21, 2012
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The Venezuelan president will put his re-election plans on hold to return to Cuba to have a third operation on his pelvis, where his cancer may have returned.

Chavez had a tumor removed in June. Now doctors have found a small lesion in the same area, he said on state television, adding, “I am in good physical condition to confront this new battle.”  —PZS

BBC:

“The truth is that in the examination in Havana they detected a lesion in the same place where the tumour was extracted almost a year ago,” he said. “There is no metastasis. It is a small lesion of around 2cm, very clearly visible.”

He said surgery to remove it would take place “in the coming days”.

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By heterochromatic, February 24, 2012 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

I’ve never had that, but it looks lovely.  enjoy.

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By moonraven, February 24, 2012 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

Doesn’t matter how long the video is.

Life is way too short to screw around with youtube and other infantile bits and twits.

I think a manchamanteles might have my name on it.

See ya, sucker.

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By heterochromatic, February 24, 2012 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment

moonie, babe. it’s hard to judge your age or appearance on a comment board.
always hard to tell that you’re not a gringita.

the link is only a couple of minutes long and quite a gas.

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By moonraven, February 24, 2012 at 11:10 am Link to this comment

Hettie the Hardup:

If you think 67 year old women are babes, I am beginning to see your problem:  you are posting from a nuthouse.

And this “babe” doesn’t do youtube or any other online videos—that’s for folks with time on their hands and whose moms have blocked them from the triple x sites.

Meanwhile, while you piddle, twiddle, fuss and fiddle Chavez is off to La Habana and the gringos, brits, et al (aka The Usual Suspects) are organizing their invasion of Syria.

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By heterochromatic, February 23, 2012 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment

moonie—- breath of fresh air?????????

more like this, babe.

http://youtu.be/G2tNVwzdxaI

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By vector56, February 23, 2012 at 6:51 pm Link to this comment

moonraven:

Thanks for the link; I will check it out. I always look for information that avoids “Western” filters; and we all know that “West” is code for the self-proclaimed conquers of our earth.

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By moonraven, February 23, 2012 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment

My final comment on this thread before tying on the feedbagis for vector:

I may be a breath of frsh air on a gringo site, but I have lived in Latin America for the past 20 years.  Here we can actually get well-written news coverage (especially at http://www.jornada.unam.mx) if we choose to, but it means being fluent in Spanish.

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By moonraven, February 23, 2012 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment

maxie maxie maxie you are starting to make me think you are a mosquito buzzing around here trying to give us DENGUE (look it up).

You wrote:  “Please read more carefully and try not to prejudge before reading.  The issue’s Hetero and I have is with Chavez and his form of governance.  Not Venezuela as a whole.”

But, maxiepad, the topic here is NOT Chavez’s form of governance, it is that he is flying to Cuba tomorrow morning to have a small growth removed and biopsied.  Please learn to read!

And then you smeared this howler on the page:
“Did you have anything, anything at all, to say on the actual subject here?  You still appear to be trying to get everyone to discuss a single subject.  The pitfalls of the United States as you see them.  You rarely discuss anything else.”

Uh, right back atcha, pad:

1.  Did you have any comments to make on the subject of Chavez’s going to Cuba for a biopsy?

You appear to be trying to get everyone here to rag (yep, pun intended maxipad) on about Chavez being the Big Bad Bogey Man, when that is not the topic of this article!

You have never “discussed” anything.  You are a cut and paste patsy from the fauxnews.

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By moonraven, February 23, 2012 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

OOOOOOH, the final victorian hysterical hettie desperate comment:

Chavez has led venezuela “astray”.

Where is “astray”, Hetball?  In the bushes (that’s where it traditionally was for the lower classes) or down the garden path (for the upper middle class victorians).  Sullied virtue, really?

Or is “astray” the place where you send your cannon fodder to be blown to smithereens in non-white majority countries in pursuit, not of their virtue, but of their natural resources?

Hell, Hettie, respondinjg to you is shooting fish in a barrel and I am more sporting than that.

I think it’s time for me to go “astray” for a new york steak and a spearkling fresh green salad….

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By moonraven, February 23, 2012 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment

Hettie:

Whether the opposition candidate is descended from Jews or not has no play in Latin America.  In Washington DC, obviously it does—after all, the Zionist faction of the world’s Jewish population runs gringo foreign policy..

However, elections for president of Venezuela are not held in Washington, DC. 

And as for the racist element in Venezuelan elections, how about those racists who campaign on the basis that: Chavez is Africanizing Venezuela, and that he is descended from apes very recently and in fact IS one?

Talk your way out of that toilet, Hettie.I’ll be there to laugh in your face if you ever get out of it.

Better that you stay there—like The Dud in The Big Lebowski claimed, the money’s gotta be down there somewhere….

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By moonraven, February 23, 2012 at 3:02 pm Link to this comment

Maxie maxie maxie:

THIS article is NOT about Chavez and his form of governance at all.

What a complete misreading of the article by a completely misinformed troll!

THIS article is about Chavez’s DECISION to fly to Cuba and have a small lesion removed for a biopsy!


Whatever you and Hettie have TRIED to make of it is simply undercooked spaghetti—it did not stick to the kitchen wall.

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By moonraven, February 23, 2012 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

Maxedout wrote:

“Amnesty International has long received reports of Venezuelan journalists and media workers being subjected to intimidation and threats because of their work in recent years.”

What maxiepad did not tell us is that anyone, even Maxiepad, can report something to AI.  In this case since 88% of the media is owned by the opposition in Venezuela, those folks have “reported” supposed violations until the cows finally came home and told them to put a sock in it.

Just to put things in perspective, the most dangerous country for journalists on the planet is Mexico, where I live—where journalists are not “intimidated” (whine whine whine Globovision V nezuela), but simply gunned down in their offices, homes, or on the street.

And to further contextualize, the second most dangerous spot on the planet to be a journalist is Iraq, followed very closely by:  GUESS WHO, Venezuela’s next-door-neighbor, Colombia.

Nice try at disinforming, maxie ole pad, but you just did not score.

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By moonraven, February 23, 2012 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment

Hetstart:  I call gringos gringos as the only polite thing to do is to call folks by their names—gringo is standard usage where I live, Latin America, which last I checked was the context of this article and should be the context of the comments thread responding to it.

Not racist at all.  Grow up.

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By IMax, February 23, 2012 at 5:35 am Link to this comment

gerard,

Please read more carefully and try not to prejudge before reading.  The issue’s Hetero and I have is with Chavez and his form of governance.  Not Venezuela as a whole.

Did you have anything, anything at all, to say on the actual subject here?  You still appear to be trying to get everyone to discuss a single subject.  The pitfalls of the United States as you see them.  You rarely discuss anything else.

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By heterochromatic, February 22, 2012 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment

gerard, horseship.  apply the same standards to Chavez as you would to
Santurom…...

they’re both unbalanced and untruthful and not fit to serve in high office at this
time. Chavez did good things at the beginning , but he’s outlived his utility and
has led Venezuela astray.

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By gerard, February 22, 2012 at 9:41 pm Link to this comment

It’s so much easier to criticize the shortcomings of another country than to face up to the mistakes of your own. You can’t do much about other countries’ shortcomings, but criticizing them makes you feel that, since your country is “better” you don’t have to do anything about your own.  Just support your country by making comparisons that belittle the others.  It’s considered patriotic and it’s painless.

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By buduranus2, February 22, 2012 at 8:17 pm Link to this comment
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I hear they’re going to put a window in his stomach so he can see where he’s going.

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By heterochromatic, February 22, 2012 at 7:28 pm Link to this comment

vec—-I’ve got plenty, but have no idea WTF you’re on about….....i’m not running
Venezuelan state propaganda outlets…


go ask about their shame

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By vector56, February 22, 2012 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

“Zionism”

heterochromatic, have you no shame?

Oh, good night IMax.

Playing the old antisemitism card on Hugo.

Haven’t we slaughtered enough people in the Middle East so Israel can feel safe? Must we start south of the border as well?

Me personally, I am not for a Christian State, Not for a Muslim State, Nor do I see the logic in a Jewish State.

Most of the People I admire are Jewish; even my anti-Zionist Jewish drinking buddies.

So, sell your hate bating somewhere else my friend.

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By IMax, February 22, 2012 at 7:09 pm Link to this comment

vector56,

Obviously you’re not interested in a conversation.

Have a good night.

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By heterochromatic, February 22, 2012 at 7:09 pm Link to this comment

This might make it even nicer for some of the Chavez admirers.————


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/venezuelas-hugo-chavez-faces-
an-uprising-at-the-ballot-box/2012/02/17/gIQAfApFOR_story.html


———On Feb. 12, Henrique Capriles Radonski, a 39-year-old Venezuelan state
governor, won a primary election to become the opposition’s candidate against
Hugo Chavez in October’s presidential election. He won 1.8 million of an
astonishing 3 million votes — double the turnout predicted by most analysts.

The next day, Capriles, a devout Catholic, was greeted by a commentary on the
government-run Web site of Venezuelan National Radio titled “The Enemy Is
Zionism.” Capriles, it explained, is the descendant of Jews. (In fact, his
grandmother was a Holocaust survivor who emigrated from Poland to
Venezuela.)

“In order to understand the interests embodied” by Capriles, the commentary
declared, “it’s important to know what is Zionism, the Israeli ideology that he
sneakily represents. .?.?. It is, without doubt, an ideology of terror, of the most
putrefied sentiments of humanity; its supposedly patriotic impetus is based in
greed.” And so on.——-

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By vector56, February 22, 2012 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment

Nice try IMax;

Who controls the world now?

50 million WWI
85 million WWII
1.2 million Korea
3.5 million Vietnam
1.3 million Iraq
?  Iran


I repeat, who the hell is in charge IMax!

Far too many have died for “freedom”; wars to end all wars.

It is the game you guys are good at; keep us all chasing “freedom” while you run off with all the wealth. What Chavez delivers to his people (health care, education and housing) is far more important than your abstract concept of “freedom”!

And Please, spare me the fake argument about “trade offs”; American capitalism has traded the lives of “millions” in the so-called “third world” to maintain our way of life.

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By IMax, February 22, 2012 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment

So, if you can connect the dots, you will realize that the question comes down to who we see as the most human.

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So your answer is yes.  You’re willing to ignore several signs of human rights abuses and, what looks like a systemic propensity to squelch and punish criticism, so that human rights and the welfare of all, as you perceive these issues, benefits in the end.

In other words: Others are doing it.  It’s an accepted mode of governance.  You are willing to do the same if it means furthering your social agenda. 

It will take at least one controlling power to force and enforce your model.  Would you like to share with us which nation this will (realistically) be?

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By newday, February 22, 2012 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment
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IMax,
If Chavez is such a bad guy, then he’s the most popular bad guy around.
In regard to his elections and initiatives, the last time I checked he won 12 out of 13 of them.  The one he lost was by a miniscule margin, but he honored the outcome, and didn’t cheat like they do here in the USA.
You should go back and read very carefully the posts of Moonraven and vector56…..you might learn something….....on the other hand, I doubt it!!

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By vector56, February 22, 2012 at 6:01 pm Link to this comment

“I’m tired of these diatribes on all things U.S.. “


I bet it’s not easy these days (with the internet) protecting the “myth” of America’s virginity? Take it from me, that lady (and I use therm loosely) has been around the block a few times, if you know what I mean…

As far as relying on your “sources” to reject Chavez or Castro, it “an’t going to happen!

you see my little side track into “liberalism” was to provide “context”. What you might consider a reliable source I would see as corporate shills.

When you face people who understand the dirty little game being played out for world domination hiding behind words like “freedom” and the “free market” your “pitch” seems almost comical.

Chavez, Castro, Bill Ayres, Rev. Wright, Noam Chomsky, Naomi Klein, Evo Morale, Howard Zinn, Nader, Che Guevar , Karl Marx (to name a few) are the people I admire. I also have a lot of respect for Ron Paul on everything but his economic policies. 

“Let’s be clear.  You’re willing to ignore several signs of human rights abuses and, what looks like a systemic propensity to squelch and punish criticism, so that human rights and the welfare of all, as you perceive these issues, benefits in the end?”


I found your above statement to be somewhat “ironic”, because I have offend made similar comments to Daily Kos Progressives when they ask me to justify why I would vote for Ron Paul over Obama.

Most “Progressive” put forth that Ron Paul would cause “thousands” to die domestically due to his lack of a social safety net here at home and lack of healthcare. As a Liberal, I agree with them. By the same token, Obama would surely cause the deaths of “millions” of men women and children in the Middle East. The so-called “war of terror” would take far more human lives than Ron Paul’s lack of compassion would domestically. So, if you can connect the dots, you will realize that the question comes down to who we see as the most human.

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By IMax, February 22, 2012 at 4:36 pm Link to this comment

vector56,

I’m sorry but I’m truly not interested in a conversation on our respective perceptions of what is or is not progressive, liberal, conservative etc..  I’m tired of these diatribes on all things U.S..  This is about Hugo Chavez and his form of governance.

Let’s be clear.  You’re willing to ignore several signs of human rights abuses and, what looks like a systemic propensity to squelch and punish criticism, so that human rights and the welfare of all, as you perceive these issues, benefits in the end?

Or are you maintaining the issues and sources I raise, a small fraction of the many signs in the direction of dictatorial power in Venezuela today, has no credence or validity?

If the latter be the case I’m willing to look at any equivalent global documentation to the contrary.  As far as I am personally aware my sources are respected around the world in what they do.

Take part in raising the bar here.

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By vector56, February 22, 2012 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment

IMax:

“I’m a life-long and active voting democrat.”

Understand that a “Democrat” (the party) and a Liberal are two different animals.

Many here confuse being a “Good Democrat” (the party) with being a Liberal. Obama, Hilary and 98% of the Democrats in Congress are not Liberals.  “Progressives” are no more Liberals than Yuppies are Hippies!

They proved this by not fighting for Single payer or a public Option; TARP. Dodd Frank and the endless Wars they vote for over and over.

As far as Chavez being a Dictator; FDR was elected 4 times, would you call him a Dictator? Personally, as I said I think “term limits are “anti-Democratic”. As long as the people desire a leader that is Democracy.

Like most non-liberals you seem to value what you perceive as “freedom” more then social-economic justice. Freedom without housing, healthcare, education and a job that pays a living wage is pointless! The world is full of “free” poor people who fight and die in the wars of the rich and provide “slave” wage labor.

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By IMax, February 22, 2012 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment

vector56,

Why so quick to take the lazy route in making your arguments?  Now any and all critics MUST BE lunatic Right-Wingers?  Seriously?  You think that small?  You’re that incurious?  I’m a life-long and active voting democrat.  I’ve been a staunch advocate for human rights for decades.  Frankly you have no right.  It’s lazy as hell, is what it is.  There’s too much of that here.  Why not bring it up a few notches?

Amnesty International has long received reports of Venezuelan journalists and media workers being subjected to intimidation and threats because of their work in recent years.

The weakening of Venezuela’s democratic system of checks and balances under President Hugo Chávez has contributed to a precarious human rights situation. Without judicial checks on its actions, the government has systematically undermined the right to free expression, workers’ freedom of association, and the ability of (liberal) human rights groups to protect rights.

I know how hypocritical this comes off.  But, hey, as long as Chavez is oppressive in support of the correct cause(s) we can look past these issues.  We don’t mind dictators.  In fact in many cases, not unlike Chavez, it’s actually preferable.  We need to find any and all ways to discredit these wide-spread reports.  We must close-down opposing points of view.  A pox upon entire homes if one takes a more critical look.

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By heterochromatic, February 22, 2012 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment

moonie, you can eat my homework and calling people “gringos” doesn’t make you
sound like less of a birdbrain…

just makes you sound like a racist.

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By vector56, February 22, 2012 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment

moonraven and citizen Robespierre115 you both are a breath of fresh air in a in country that is over populated with aggressive right-wing (libertarian) types like Imax and heterochromatic on one side and MSNBC (apologetics) “fake-liberals” on the other.

These “Replacement Liberals” in my opinion do far more damage to the what is left of the left than all the right wing talking heads combined:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/20/1038372/-The-Replacement-Liberals?via=blog_744899

Rachel MadCow, Ed (“I see nothing”) Schultz,and all of the Corporate Liberals on MSNBC, Current TV and so-called Progressive talk radio carry water for the Empire and hide under a rock when ever Chavez or Castro’s names are uttered! Isn’t it convent that the enemies of the right are the same people the Democratic party and the “fake-liberal” talking heads agree on?

Two possibilities; either they are “cowards” or sell-outs! Obama hangs out with Henry Kissinger; the man who declared that he would make Argentina’s economy “scream!” Obama has more then once called Reagan one of his heroes. Both of these men (Kissinger and Reagan) caused more death, crushed more dreams and wrecked the lives of millions of human beings south of the border for generations to come.

As I said before, some of us here have enough background information to avoid the Kool-Aid.

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By moonraven, February 22, 2012 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

Final PS:

Hettie the Wet Hen wrote:

“political corruption is a human tradition and extensively employed among the
nations of this hemisphere, most of which are not run by “gringos”.”

Just two observations:  gringos were used as consultants to run election campaigns for both candidates of the PAN for president—in 2000 and 2006—here in Mexico.  Folks complained that the campaign of 2006 was run out of the US Embassy in Avenida Reforma.

If political corruption is endemic to the human condition and is pervasive throughout this hemisphere, what exactly is the point about Venezuela that you thought you were making?

Duh.

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By moonraven, February 22, 2012 at 2:02 pm Link to this comment

Right.  And the dog ate your homework, too, I’m sure.  Don’t make me laugh.

Gerrymanderng is a GRINGO tradition.  Look it up. 

There’s plenty of corruption in the politics of this hemisphere—Mexico is a spectacular example, from whose model it would take several decades for a country like Venezuela to assimilate it all and try to play catch up. 

Case in point, however, is that election observers always give Venezuelan elections a clean bill of health, whereas the US doesn’t allow election observers—why not, patriot?—and Mexico always comes out stinking like an outhouse:  rampant buying of votes, pregnant voting boxes, stolen voting boxes, intimidation with weapons of exclusive military use, and of course the all-time classic:  The System Went Down Caper from the presidential election of 1988.

Interestingly enough, the opposition in Venezuela just had its primary election a week ago last Sunday—with the result that opposition candidates cried corruption and foul and the Supreme Court ordered the MUD not to burn the notebooks with the lists of voters.  The MUD had indicated originally that they would wait 48 hours before burning them, but they did not even wait that long.  Problem was:  1) two candidates congratulated the winner of the presidential candidacy BEFORE the votes had been counted—and did so on T.V. and 2) there was no way the total number of folks that supposedly turned out could have voted, given the observations by folks at the polls.

If you actually knew something about Latin American politics, we could converse.  But you don’t, so we can’t.

Time for comida for this bird.  I think enchiladas de mole….

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By heterochromatic, February 22, 2012 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment

oh, no, moonie. it’s not at all my main criticism…...wrote a lengthy comment that
got shallowed up by a lousy ISP connection.


and calling shit ” a gringo tradition” is pretty much a punk-ass move, m’dear.

political corruption is a human tradition and extensively employed among the
nations of this hemisphere, most of which are not run by “gringos”.

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By moonraven, February 22, 2012 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

Hettie the Hotdog:

Gerrymandering is a gringo tradition.

You have some nerve insisting that it is copyrighted.

If that is the best you can do, you are done.

If I were not in an internet cafe I would simply drop trou and moon you, since that seems to be what you are looking for here.

For cheap thrills, try the triple X sites.

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By heterochromatic, February 22, 2012 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

moonie—-just because you don’t see doesn’t cut much
ice…...

look at the gerrymandering of the election districts
prior to the last legislative elections .....you’ll
see it if you wish to see.

Chavez’s party split the popular vote with the main
opposition party finishing very slightly ahead (
according to Chavez…..5,420,000 to 5,320,000) with
more than a half million votes going to a third
party.

Somehow Chavez wound up with 98 seats out of 165.

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By moonraven, February 22, 2012 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment

Imax:  OOOOOOOOOH your sensibilities are sooooooooo tender.

This is a US site, therefore it is more than appropriate to point out the shortcomings of the US, its leaders and its citizens in its comments threads.

Moreover, what other soveriegn countries choose to do, or whom they choose to elect repeatedly as their leader is absolutely none of your business.

As for discussing any country besides the US, as you have never BEEN to any other countries, you are simply not qualified to comment.  Honduras and Colombia?  Haz me favor.

I, on the other hand, am a specialist on Latin America and have spent considerable time in both Europe and the Middle east, as well as in the US and in Canada, where my family comes from. 

Therefore I do not have to rely on watching Fox News, CNN, the BBC and other mouthpieces for western imperialism and genocide to form my opinions.

It’s sad that you do, and that your education and the development of your thining has been so impoverished.

Better luck next lifetime.

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By moonraven, February 22, 2012 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment

Robespierre:

Not to mention that here in Mexico, in only 5 years of the gringo-imposed War on Drugs (you guys get the drugs and the money laundered by your banks keeps them sort of solvent, and Mexicans provide the corpses) there are 75,000 dead now—almost all civilians.

Hillary the Hag was just here to accept the gift of Mexico’s petroleum and pat the spurious dwarf Calderon on the head for doing a heck of a job reducing the number of undocumented workers crossing to the US by murdering them here with gringo guns.

Stack that up against the hypocritical hand-wringing about the Syrians SUPPOSEDLY being killed by the Syrian government.  Every day here in Mexico the number of dead in the ill-named Drug War is upwards of 50.

It’s hunky dory to murder Mexicans but a “humanitarian crisis” if the dead are Syrians or Libyans….

Give me a fucking break.

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By IMax, February 22, 2012 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

I would be delighted to discuss Honduras and Colombia when the subject is Honduras and Colombia.  What I will not do is engage in yet another ongoing diatribe all about the U.S..  There is far too much of that here.

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By Robespierre115, February 22, 2012 at 12:45 pm Link to this comment

Funny how anti-Chavez commentators here repeat a lot of bullshit but have nothing to say about the very real US-backed horrors in Honduras and Colombia…maybe they don’t realize these countries exist.

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By moonraven, February 22, 2012 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

IMax:  Your links are worthless—probably written by somebody in your family.  Human Rights Organization of WHAT?  WHERE? INCLUDING WHOM?  PAID FOR BY?

Legimate organizations, please.  Your deceptiveness is just plain dumb.

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By moonraven, February 22, 2012 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

IMax:

Another recycler of gringo government propaganda.

You folks just cannot deal with the reality that a NON-WHITE leader of a country has done a whole lot better job than any of the brain-damaged puppets of the real powers (Big Guns, Big Oil, Big Pill and Too-Big-to-Fail Banks) passing themselves off as “leaders” of the White West.

You deserve every bit of the loving attention, spectacular health care and excellent education (supersic) they have given you.

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By moonraven, February 22, 2012 at 12:19 pm Link to this comment

Hettie the hotdog:  This time you’re going to have to back up your recycled Fox News b.s. with some facts and information, or go back under that rock you crawled out from under.

This poster has met Chavez, interacted with him at length on several occasions, and can say without reservation that he is one of the most intelligent and most effective leaders on the planet. 
(Not that that is saying a whole heck of a lot, considering the stumblebums and puppets and fools in the top leadership positions in most of the countries.)

Just a few facts:  In only 13 years he has made Venezuela a less unequal country—evidenced by the GINI of Venezuela improving from a nasty right around 5.00 (where the US and Mexico are right now) to less than 4.00.

Maybe you like being one of the serfs to the rich and powerful, but most of us really don’t.

Venezuela is one of the few countries which has either met or is close to meeting its Millennium Goals.  Poverty has been reduced by more than 50% under Chavez to a current 26%.

In the US it’s growing by leaps and bounds, and in Mexico—where I live—real poverty figures, not those of the Mexican government which places poverty at just over 50%, indicate just about 75% of Mexicans are living in poverty.

I see no evidence indicating that Chavez has ever been dictatorial, therefore it is impossible that he is becoming increasingly so. 

Your opinion, slopped up from Fox News, CNN and the BBC, doesn’t count as evidence.

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By moonraven, February 22, 2012 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment

Vector asked:  “The one thing I do not understand about Chavez or Castro is why they do not do a better job in building “socialist” institutions that will survive even if they don’t and assure the social changes survive to benefit the people?”

Maybe all those billions of YOUR tax dolars that the gringo government has spent trying to assasinate them, destabilize their governments and in the case of Cuba, keep their people in abject poverty, might have a little something to do with it.

Aren’t you proud to be a USite?

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By IMax, February 22, 2012 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

vector56,

I would agree that Chavez has done some positive things.  An expansion of medical centers in depressed areas of Valenzuela would be such an example.  But don’t you think labeling all the known negatives about this anti-democratic dictator as CIA propaganda to be lazy and all too simplistic?

I have been, by and large, opposed to the decades old U.S. policy of supporting dictators for the sake of stability and security. In the case of Chavez I am convinced, and unwilling to look past, the brutal nature of the current Venezuelan leader.

I do find it interesting that the often relied on sources such as, liberal media, Human Rights Watch, U.N. Human Rights Commissions, Human Rights Foundation, etc, which are used here to impune the United States, are suddenly and miraculously labeled CIA propaganda machines when those same entities take a critical look at people such as Chavez and Castro.  I’m sure you can see the hypocrisy in this.

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By vector56, February 22, 2012 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

“long as Chavez is a vocal critic of liberal markets, a free and open press, democracy and collective bargaining he will remain a favorite Son to many people.”

“Liberal Market”, don’t you mean “Neo-Liberal” market?

“Free and open press”; like the righting TV station that went out of their way to promote the CIA backed Coup against Chavez?

Much of the media in Venezuelan is still in the hands of very rich, very pissed off (very few) upper class people. Personally, I think Chavez was a fool to allow these hand full of mini-Murdochs to hold on to the lions share of the countries media. So, please spare me the “free press” crap!

For every “trumped up” CIA bit of “disinformation” you (Imax) and heterochromatic present, I can counter with 3 things Hugo Chavez has done to help the poor and oppressed people of Venezuela and the region!

As far as Hugo being President for life; I have always consider “Term Limits” to be anti-Democratic. In this Country FDR was elected 4 times! The only way the “corporate types could avoid this happening again (aside from the fact that he died in office) was to impose a “Term Limit”.
As long as “the people” elect FDR or Chavez, that is what we call “Democracy!” 

Ironic you guys rarely turn your criticism toward the Capitalistic system that supported United Fruit Company, Pinochet, and countless Dictators in the region for 50 plus years.  Read “The Shock Doctrine”; The CIA was there when the bullet was put into Che Guevara’s head; Their 600 attempts to murder Castro; please don’t pretend that Chavez was not and is not under constant attack by the very government I now pay my taxes to.

Sorry, but I have far to much background information to buy into you guys “right-wing” Propaganda.

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By IMax, February 22, 2012 at 8:13 am Link to this comment

The Caracas Nine have an opinion on all who hold Chavez up as a liberal social hero.

But, hey, as long as Chavez is a vocal critic of liberal markets, a free and open press, democracy and collective bargaining he will remain a favorite Son to many people.

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By IMax, February 22, 2012 at 7:58 am Link to this comment

This is how Chavez handles union problems in Venezuela.

This is how Chavez handles the liberal media in Venezuela.

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By IMax, February 22, 2012 at 7:40 am Link to this comment

Vector56,

Does it change your opinion of Chavez to learn that after his election he expanded and packed the Venezuelan Supreme Court in his favor, packed and changed the laws of the Venezuelan Electoral Council (manipulating a 2/3 loss in Parliament to a 3/5th win in his favor), changed the long-standing Constitution to allow himself a lifetime term in office and closed eighteen the of most liberal newspapers and and radio stations?

Two liberal Venezuelan politicians, now disappeared, have accused Chavez of raiding the National Treasury in support his political party.

In 2005, all opposition parties boycotted the legislative elections in protest of the lack of democracy, the manipulation of the electoral system, the systematic violations of human rights, and the use of the state treasury by Chavez for his own party’s benefit. Voters rejected the election en masse with only 17 percent of eligible voters turning out.

None of the above information is the culmination of “corporate media” but, rather, from the Venezuelan press.  But, hey, Chavez is an outspoken critic of capitalism, liberal free markets, democracy and the United States.  God love him!

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By heterochromatic, February 22, 2012 at 7:27 am Link to this comment

Chavez has become increasingly dictatorial and has centralized all power into his
own hands…... you’ll have to consider whether Chavez is able to separate the
interests of “the people” from his own self-regard and whether survival of the
regime is of primary importance to him.

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By vector56, February 22, 2012 at 6:40 am Link to this comment

I admit that I am a fan and supporter (in spirit) of Hugo Chavez and Castro.  Just as I Corporate media has went out of their way to “frame” Castro,  Iran and Chavez as two dimensional bad guys. Chavez is referred to as a “strong-man” and a Dictator even though he was elected and survived a CIA backed Coup.

The one thing I do not understand about Chavez or Castro is why they do not do a better job in building “socialist” institutions that will survive even if they don’t and assure the social changes survive to benefit the people?

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