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Hitchens Pipes Up for ‘Foxhole Atheists’Posted on Dec 16, 2009
“God Is Not Great” author Christopher Hitchens got a feel for the evangelical climate at the Air Force Academy in May and came away with some troubling questions. In a column headlined “In Defense of Foxhole Atheists,” he asks: “Is there a clique within the United States military that is seeking to use the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as an opportunity to mount a new crusade and to Christianize the ‘heathen’?” Seems like that concern didn’t end with the George W. Bush administration. —KA
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By Night-Gaunt, December 21, 2009 at 9:15 am Link to this comment
Don’t worry about me, I live surrounded by Christians so I have a certain insensitivity to it. I just say it back to them or if I don’t know a “Happy Holidays!” covers it all. One of my interests are myths both old and new. So no big deal but I thank you for your sensitivity.
Happy Holidays to all and to all another day.
By-the-way I like “Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer” (the island of misfits) & “Nightmare Before Christmas.” (I thought for a long time about mixing Halloween and Christmas. One of my Christmas cards from 1984 mixed “Ghostbusters” and “Gremlins with Santa’s sleigh.
Report thisBy Virginia777, December 21, 2009 at 9:11 am Link to this comment
you are right, Jean Gerard, fear does create so many scary things in our world.
And to bring up the witch trials, I see that as “step two”. First someone like Sarah Palin reinforces people’s fears, the ones they are very comfortable with, the ones they like having reinforced.
Step two will be the persecution of those of differing opinion, the outsiders from this crowd. That is already happening on a local scale. I see it here locally, the extremists who have gained so much power via the media, are now persecuting those who disagree with them.
If Palin’s ascent continues, we will soon see it on the National level. That is why I believe so deeply that she and her party must be stopped.
Report thisBy Sodium, December 20, 2009 at 9:42 pm Link to this comment
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For Night Gaunt,
I agree wholeheartedly. It is always wise to be prudent. Skipticism is one way to accomplish it.
Keep it up going on…..
Since you are what you are,I refrain from wishing you a Merry Christmas,but I wish you pleasant days ahead and of course a Happy New Year and beyond.
Report thisBy Night-Gaunt, December 20, 2009 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment
I would apply your skepticism to everyone’s writing on this or any topic. Just a prudent way of doing things.
Report thisBy Sodium, December 20, 2009 at 6:25 am Link to this comment
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Although eloquent in the English language,from time to time,Chrostopher Hitchen has a serious drinking problem with alcohol and he needs to overcome this problem,if I am going to take what he writes seriously.
As to his hawkish position on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,he is a HYPOCRITE. Reasons.
(1) He was born and raised in Britain and thus he was a British citizen before becoming a naturalized American citizen. In Britain,he was known to be a liberal in the full meaning of the word. He is now like his former country man,journalist Tony Blenkly of the Washington Tlme newspaper. Either for obtaining American citizenship or after getting it they both became as hawkish as the neoconservatives who pushed hard and fast to bomb,destroy and occupy Iraq,using weapons of mass destruction as an excuse for a hidden agenda,well defined by the neocons. Both are no different from their neocons comrades in their BRAVADO that is
morally and financially corrupting America in blood and treaures. Although the neocons have been totally discredited,Hitchens and Blenkly still preaching the discreditted neocons hawkish lines. PITY!!
(2) British citizens are usually well aware of what has happened to their British empire which then,at its apex of ruling the world did not know what the sunset looked like,because its rule had stretched from India to Aden(Yemen)to Afghanistan,to Iraq to Jordan to Palestine to Egypt to Gibralter and to the Faulkland isle in South America,with no known Time-Zones. The empire’s hakish policy has led to its collapse. But some humanbeings will never learn from the hard lessons of history.
(3) In every land the British occupied,they followed a “DIVIDE AND RULE” strategy of which the indigenous people or rather inhabitants of the occupied lands paid a heavy price during the occupation and after the British were forced to leave. Vivid examples: current conflict between India and Pakistan over Kashmire,current conflict between the Palestinians and Zionists over Palestine,current conflict between Turkey and Greece over Cyprus. These are just examples that came spontaneously to mind.
(4) The whole humanity is still suffering from the former British strategy,“DIVIDE AND RULE” till this very day. Pakistanis hate Indians and Indians hate Pakistanis. Arabs hate Zionists and Zionists hate Arabs.Turks hate Greeks and Greeks hate Turks. And it looks like there is no end to this waste of mutual hatred.
It seems to me that the sins of the British empire should have been an eye-opener to all people with a degree of rationality. Chrostopher Hichens’ hawkishness has none.
I am not for politicizing religion-all religions.Period. I have the instinct that tells me that Hitchens vicious assault on all religions is done as a prelude for a hidden agenda or at least for a purpose known only to Hitchens.
Therefore,I read his writings with a great quantity of skipticizm.
Report thisBy Sodium, December 20, 2009 at 1:13 am Link to this comment
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For those who are interested to know more about America’s fanatics of evangelism,I highly recommend reading the following book:
American Fascists
By
Chris Hedges
You may be able to find the above book in your local library. It is a must read for anyone interested to know the activities and ultimate goals of the fanatical evangelists. I cannot reemphasize the words “fanatical evangelists” enough,because not all evangelists are fanatical. Many of them are almost as rational as Albert Einstein. Thus,one has to be extra careful as one touches evangelism as a whole.
Report thisBy Jean Gerard, December 19, 2009 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment
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Generalizing is always dangerous—and I tend to do it too often, especially in
these comments. Thanks for calling me on it. The fear I had in mind was
primarily fear of death—and of course of the heaven/hell syndrome we are all
brainwashed with as kids. But even without the brainwashing, there is probably
an innate fear of dying in humans which motivates us to do some kind of
“believing” that tends to reconcile us with our end. Judging from my own
personal experiences, religious beliefs and rituals seem to help people get
through experiences that shake them to the core.
In the case of war, there is also the (usually buried) fear of punishment for
killing, which would tend to drive soldiers toward religious conversions.
A paradigm that may be universal is in the Puritan preachers who projected
trouble onto individuals, then killed them as witches in order to “cleanse” the
community of “believers.” We do the same thing, but in a veiled way, picking
on immigrants, for instance, or other “minorities who are different” and then
justifying our persecuting them (relegating them to 3rd class or worse (read
“terrorists”). thus “getting rid of” fear of evil, fear of being different, fear of
disobeying the law, fear of job competition, by projecting it into others and
killing them. (As most of this kind of thing is repressed and not conscious, it
gets into murky territory quickly where nothing can be “proven” beyond doubt.)
I’ve seen evangelists literally drive people into a belief in their sins and fear of
Report thishellfire in order to literally charm them out of it. They began by recognizing
people who were fearful, zeroed in on it to the point of hysteria, then
performed what seemed to be a kind of hypnosis, and presto! Everything
changed for the better—at least for a while. Fear encourages a lot of scary
business in the world. (There I go generalizing again! Take everything I say
with a grain of particularization.)
By berniem, December 19, 2009 at 11:25 am Link to this comment
To Virginia777: I think that Mr. Hitchens supported the Iraq war possibly because of his belief in the inherent threat of radical theocracy( in this case Islam) and the fact that this country would be a pushover allowing us to establish a base of operations against other Islamic strongholds(access to oil didn’t hurt either). His overall attitude towards religion makes him a hawk towards any group attempting to impose their superstitious views on others no matter the vehicle employed. I’m sure he still supports our involvement in Iraq(I did not support either invasion) but bemoans the incompetence and religiosity of the bush/cheney regime.
Report thisBy Virginia777, December 18, 2009 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment
Jean Gerard: “Evangelists focus on such people’s feelings because they know from experience
that fearful people desperately want to escape from fear”
do they really want to escape from fear? people like Sarah Palin are cleaning up on fear.
I don’t think they want to escape, I think they want their fears validated and reinforced.
Report thisBy Virginia777, December 18, 2009 at 8:08 pm Link to this comment
I do not trust Christopher Hitchens ever since he supported the Iraq war, he is a hawk, what is his motive here? (that is a question that must be asked)
Report thisBy jean Gerard, December 18, 2009 at 7:01 pm Link to this comment
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As I think I mentioned in another string, war and religion are Siamese twins.
War creates a lot of people who injure or kill other people and that makes them
feel guilty, eventually. They want forgiveness. Presto! Religion. War injures a
lot of people and creates a lot of pain. Victims search for a way to escape their
suffering. Pray. Believe. Presto! Religion. People who fight require physical
and mental courage beyond ordinary. They don’t have it, can’t find it. What to
do? Pray. Presto! Religion again.
People want to believe what they are doing is right, especially when they kill
and injure other people. If they cease to believe they are right, they will stop
fighting. What to do? Get the Church together with the military and develop a
set of “laws” that separate wars that are “just” from ordinary old wars that are
just “unjust.” Make the definitions loose enough to translate into “Our wars are
just. Your wars are not just.” Presto. Religion again, formulating the infamous
“Just War Theory” in the Middle Ages in Europe by the Roman Church and a
bunch of Christian kings who had (remember) Divine Right.
Unreasonable, insane though it is, the theory still persists as part of military
Report thisprotocol, pulled out and activated when needed. We are right. You are wrong.
Therefore it is okay for us to kill you. La-de=da! Even the ancient Chinese got
into the rationalization act with that old geezer’s “Rules of War” or whatever it
was and whatever his name was. It’s as old as the hills—and beginning to
stink to high heaven.
By DaveZx3, December 17, 2009 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment
I have two solutions to this problem.
1. Men of religion or faith should never be sent to fight for the state, as it is a violation of the separation of Church and State. That includes chaplains. These dangerous religious types always develop a tendency to think they are there to advance brotherly love instead of kill. That is a waste of tax payer dollars. Kill only, no love. These guys should be banned from any participation in matters of state.
2. Or, the people of the US should recognize that people who sign up to go kill others are not really people of faith, but imposters. What is called the false church, those with a form of godliness, but ignoring the principles of God. Since they totaly ignore the principles of their so-called religion, it is easy to ignore the principals of their employer as well. These people are schizo’s, double minded, not to be trusted with weapons.
So let’s see that solves the problem of war. No one left to fight it except atheists. Fat chance of that happening. So, there, war solved. Next.
Report thisBy Night-Gaunt, December 17, 2009 at 12:18 pm Link to this comment
“He could never have foreseen a time when state-subsidized chaplains would be working to subvert the Constitution, and violating their sacred oath to uphold it. Let us be highly thankful that we have young soldiers and sailors and air-force personnel who, busy and devoted as they already are, show themselves brave enough to fight back on this front too.”
Actually he did in a way as a natural outgrowth of the subversion of the rights of the people as well as power of gov’t over the people. There is also a society of veterans who are atheists who were actually in foxholes!
Not Spanish-type but American through & through Inquisition and Crusaders have been busy for some time. Yes that kind of Christianity also goes along with the Calvinist form which is very severe and follows that if you are rich god smiled upon you and if your not you are condemned. For these there is no “rapture” and that the battle for souls is a real one to evangelize at the point of a bayonet. They are called “Christian Reconstructionists” and “Dominionists” and some other names but they are real an are involved in bringing down our Republic as we see it teeter even now to ruin. Being shock capitalists they are just making their own disaster to remove the Republic & replace it with a theocratic corporate hive. No Bill of Rights, no liberties except the ones they vouchsafe to us as payment for following all the rules especially those not on paper, or else suffer really and truly. It will be a caricature country of what it was.
We are in great danger.
Report thisBy berniem, December 17, 2009 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment
And everybody thought that the “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” was nothing more than a Sci-Fi “B” movie. My entire professional career was spent working with mentally challenged persons of all levels of functionality. I would listen to their concerns, fears, and beliefs with an understanding of the causitive factors and inherent points of reference from which these came. I found myself always feeling uneasy, however, around seemingly intact but overtly religious persons because I believe that fantasy and superstition are toys that should be put away as we acquire wisdom and maturity. It is truly dismaying when one sees people in positions of power and authority basing their actions and decisions which directly affect the welfare of others on mythology and apriori assumptions. It is not just these evangelical militarists which should give us pause; remember, George Bush remains at large while individuals of questionable stabilty such as Eric Prince and the denizens of the “Family” from C St.S.E. in our nation’s capitol still hold sway.
Report thisBy jean Gerard, December 17, 2009 at 11:43 am Link to this comment
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Evangelizing is a particularly sick form of exploitation and people ought to be
taught as children to recognize it and resist it, whether religious, political or
what. Evangelizing works on people who are fearful. That means any people
anywhere who lack adequate food, clothing, shelter, jobs, freedom of
expression. education, and any people who are facing death or are either faced
with a great loss, or just suffered a great loss. Desperate people are desperate
for reassurance, someone or something to give them support and tell them
they will be okay if they just do such and such, say such and such, believe such
and such. It almost doesn’t matter what god, what magic, what power.
Evangelists focus on such people’s feelings because they know from experience
that fearful people desperately want to escape from fear. Evangelical
exploitation is made even more despicable by the fact that evangelists believe
that they themselves will be rewarded for “saving the souls” of frightened
people. Some go so far as to think they will be rewarded for killing
nonbelievers.
Religion offers frightened people reassurance. Probably that is the main
reason for its existence from the beginning of time. Times of crisis are always
marked by a rise in religious sentiments. Wars create times of crisis. War and
religion are two kinds of enslavement in which individuals are asked (expected)
to give up their entire lives—body and soul—to military and/or religious
service. War and religion are intimately inter-related and it is very hard to keep
them separated in actual practice. In spite of laws to the contrary they will tend
to blend because the circumstances of war provide the main ingredient for
religious conversion—that is, fear of dying and escape from the guilt/shame
of killing.
All wars are crusades of some kind, fought by two “sides” which believe
themselves to be opposite. (Actually they may not be opposite, but the
operative word here is “believe.”) People fight for and against what they believe,
not what is. In order to keep wars continuing it is necessary to make people
believe that wars are necessary and inevitable.
Moral: Be careful what you believe.
Report thisBy msgmi, December 17, 2009 at 10:24 am Link to this comment
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Hitchens makes a clear point that the Crusaders within the military establishment are a real threat to the constitution. And let’s not forget the politicians who have become apostles of The Family on C-Street. Could the Spanish-type Inquisition be around the corner.
Report thisBy Jim Yell, December 17, 2009 at 8:18 am Link to this comment
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It is evangelicalism that makes Abramic religions so distructive and I mean Islam and fundamentalist Christianity. They are incapable of understanding that they only speak for their congregations and not for people as a whole.
A large percentage of people do not need a third party to moderate between their belief or unbelief and the only reason they don’t often get feed back into their overstepping of the line, is that most sane people have enough to do getting thru life without spending their energies arguing with a bunch of jerks.
Like so much in our country right now, there is an unwillingness to enforce the Bill of Rights for fear of being accused of being Politically Correct, or some such. The fact is each of us need to remember we have rights which end at the other fellows nose. The churches are arrogant, disruptive and dishonest. Why does anyone look to them for moral clarity?
This is illegal, just as George Bush saying “I don’t care what the voters want, I follow what God tells me to do.” It appears god told him to kill men, women and children in Iraq even though we had no cause to do so and still don’t”.
Report thisBy John Sweden, December 17, 2009 at 3:06 am Link to this comment
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Maybe, we in the rest of the world should be a lot more concerned about Christian extremist in search of an raptureous apocalypse gaining control of nuclear weapons… Oops! they alread have.
Report thisBy Dr. Baruch de Spinoza, December 17, 2009 at 1:01 am Link to this comment
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This not new as it was already published by Barbara
Report thisVictor, “The Last Crusade Religion and the Politics of
Misdirection”. The following is a quotation from the
book; “Lieutenant General William Boykin uncensored
anti-Islamic sentiments, and his linking of America’s
war on terrorism with Jesus and Christianity;
illustrates that there is no reluctance on the part of
certain members of the military to view the war in Iraq
as a Crusade or Holy War waged between Judeo-Christian
values and Islam”. P.6 London, Constable, 2005. p.13)
By samosamo, December 16, 2009 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment
Thanks Christopher Hitchens for more insight into the
blasphemous goings on in our military where the church is
being allowed access and control of mindless tools of the
christian right in our military for their agendas, is just another part or
version of the ‘modern’ crusades.
It is just too bad and very unhealthy that the writings of
Thomas Paine are not taught in school or required reading for
anybody because his expose’ of the reality of religions and the
‘written word of god’ is precisely laid out to make anyone who
has not been corrupted by the ‘high priests’ of organized
religion see a rational world instead of some myth driven crap
made and used to control the people, not to mention to gain a
reliable source of revenue for those organizations.
Beware of those draped in the u.s. flag, singing ‘god bless america’, and speaking of mysteries, miracles and prophesies.
Report thisBy ChaoticGood, December 16, 2009 at 4:51 pm Link to this comment
Did the crusades ever end?
Not until the Holy Land is cleansed of the heathen.
Report thisThe madness of Religion continues….