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GOP Is All Over the Mosque Controversy

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Posted on Aug 16, 2010
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President Obama made his remarks about the Muslim community center near Ground Zero during a dinner commemorating Ramadan at the White House on Friday.

By the time the midterm elections roll around this fall, it will have been more than nine years since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, a point that’s not likely to be lost on candidates looking for a slogan or a cause. Meanwhile, the GOP is making sure to capitalize upon the so-called “Ground Zero mosque” controversy, first by repeatedly framing it as such and then by mobilizing to make it a special talking point for Republicans this election season.  —KA

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“It’s unwise to build a mosque at the site where 3,000 Americans lost their lives as a result of a terrorist attack,” Senator John Cornyn of Texas said on Sunday on Fox News.

“And I think to me it demonstrates that Washington, the White House, the administration, the president himself seems to be disconnected from the mainstream of America.”

Meanwhile Ed Rollins, a veteran Republican campaign consultant, said Democratic candidates would be forced to take a position on the issue in campaigning for November’s US mid-term elections.

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By Dale Headley, August 17, 2010 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment
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In 1971, John List considered it his responsibility as a pillar of his Westfield, New
Jersey, Lutheran Church, to murder his wife, mother, and three children.  About
this same time, a deacon of a Lutheran church in Wichita, Dennis Rader, began a
20 year rampage of senseless murders, just for the pleasure of it.  I suggest that
the Lutheran Church not be allowed to build any new churches in Westfield or
Wichita.  I understand that they have a right to build these repositories of mass
murderers, but SHOULD they?

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By rico, suave, August 17, 2010 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

I personally don’t care if the Islamic Mosque/civic-/lazer tag center/whatever is put right on top of the WTC site.

I personally don’t care if the Islamic Mosque/civic-/lazer tag center/whatever is put right on top of the WTC site.

I personally don’t care if the Islamic Mosque/civic-/lazer tag center/whatever is put right on top of the WTC site.

Lest anyone miss my position:

I personally don’t care if the Islamic Mosque/civic-/lazer tag center/whatever is put right on top of the WTC site.

Most Republicans are pissed because a religious organization renowned for its UNIQUE intolerance worldwide is counting on the UNIQUE hyper-tolerance of New York to place their whatever-it-is near the WTC.

Some posters have asked, “How close is too close?” You don’t have to be a bigot or xenophobe to entertain to real possibility that this location, of all the possible locations in Manhattan or anywhere else, was cynically chosen by the developers who knew full well that Bloomberg and Obama would bend into pretzels to avoid looking intolerant of Islam.

What other country on earth would tolerate such a project under similar circumstances?

I personally don’t care if the Islamic Mosque/civic-/lazer tag center/whatever is put right on top of the WTC site.

I’m just amused by the intolerance of people who are intolerant of Republican intolerance.

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By rico, suave, August 17, 2010 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

“rich, smooth”:

First, you flatter me. Thanks.

“Are YOU suggesting all people who are of the Muslim persuasion should be held responsible for the extremist views of a particular Muslim or the terrorist attacks by al-Qaeda?”

Uhhh. NO. Read your own previous post. And my post just prior to that. I challenged ardee for making exactly the same type exaggeration.

Please find a quote from me in any of my posts that could be considered “far-right.”

Allow me to paraphrase you. “Please find out about [Islam’s 1300+] year-long history regarding its relations with [Judaism and Christianity].  Hopefully, being as relatively rational as you are, you will discover that [Judaism and Christianity were] really not all that popular in the [umma] and that there has long been a general dislike and distrust of [non-]Muslims.”

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By severed2009, August 17, 2010 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

All this opposition to the mosque gives al Qaeda and the Taliban more recruiting
material by helping them frame us as the latest Crusaders.  It gives aid and
comfort to our enemies, and helps move our struggle closer to what they want it
to be—a religious war between two intolerant faiths.  Such a war is their only
hope for seizing power in Muslim lands. 

As usual, the real enemies are the true believers against the Cosmopolitans (as
they were called in Yugoslavia).  We are a country founded as cosmopolitan, but
have always had our true believer side.

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By tg4274, August 17, 2010 at 10:36 am Link to this comment
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I am not religious so I will not induldge in the religion part of this arguement. I do believe we all have the right to any religion we choose to believe in. But as for the land itself, I think it would be best to made into a common area for all to enjoy, like a park or a memorial, that honors the people lost on that tragic day. I can’t see this land being used for anything but that. This space should be free of corporation and/or religious gain. It should be an area where one can reflect on their loss. A place for families to go to help them heal. A place for us to remember. We need to be sensitive to this area, just like any other place of tragedy. People lost their lives there and it should be cared for like any other historical site in America. We need to perserve this spot for future generations to visit and learn from. I see no gain for anything else to be placed on this spot.

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By rico, suave, August 17, 2010 at 4:02 am Link to this comment

wildflower:

Thaaaaat’s better. Thx

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By wildflower, August 16, 2010 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment

Rico,

You’re right and thanks.  .  .  Sure hope I didn’t offend or hurt the feelings of any moderate Republicans by lumping them in with all those Republican extremists.  .  .  Please to note I’ve corrected my statement to read:

Extremists like Palin, Gingrich and Rep Boehner are such a quirky and mindless group.  .  . They rant, rave and protest loudly against the plans to build a Muslim Community Center in New York.  .  . BUT are eager and excited about building a Muslim nation.  .  . So eager, in fact, they’re willing to pick up billion dollar tabs, and send young U.S. Troopers all the way to Afghanistan to do it.

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By Arabian Sinbad, August 16, 2010 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment

Though I am a practicing Muslim and nothing makes me happier than seeing beautiful mosques, synagogues or churches built in place of crumbling old buildings and waste land, I am opposed to the building of this particular community center for the simple reason that it has become a controversial issue and has given the sick bigots and racists an opportunity to vent their dangerous venom and make a frivolous issue an issue of dirty political opportunism. I am weeping for how low my adopted homeland has sunk! 

If you look at this project from an economic point of view, it should be welcomed as an opportunity to create jobs and renovate and beautify a run-down piece of property. However, because of the crude irrational bigotry that exists against Islam and Muslims among the bigoted and ignorant herd, the people behind this project are better off in investing their money in some poor Muslim country needing jobs and development. In fact, 500 million dollars are badly needed to help their Pakistani brethren suffering from unprecedented flood disaster.

However, the bigots should be reminded, just for the record, that in the 9/11 tragic event,(whose true perpetrators have not been identified yet!) a good number of Muslims have also perished. In proportion to the numerical presence of Muslims in the USA, it is possible that the percentage of Muslims who perished stands as the highest among any other religious denomination.

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By Jimnp72, August 16, 2010 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

Amen, Samosamo

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By rich, smooth, August 16, 2010 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment
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“Are suggesting all people who are of the Republican persuasion should be held responsible for the extremist views of a Pat Robertson or the terrorist acts of a Timothy McVeigh?”

Are YOU suggesting all people who are of the Muslim persuasion should be held responsible for the extremist views of a particular Muslim or the terrorist attacks by al-Qaeda?

I hope you say yes, because if not you would be intellectually dishonest.  I believe you are precisely one of those “marginal fringe” conservative types just from the general tone of what you write.  In fact, NONE of what you write could even be remotely construed as left.  Conversely, you have written many opinions that could easily be classified as far-right.

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By rich, smooth, August 16, 2010 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment
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Personally, rico suave, I do not believe the notion that the overall social attitude of USA society that “1.4 billion Muslims are blamed for 9/11” is a “...TOTAL red herring.”  An exaggeration perhaps, but not a TOTAL red herring.

Please find out about the USA’s 234 year-long history regarding its relations with Islam.  Hopefully, being as relatively rational as you are, you will discover that Islam was really not all that popular in the USA and that there has long been a general dislike and distrust of Muslims.  Let’s face it, they are neither Puritans and Protestants.

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By rico, suave, August 16, 2010 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment

ardee:

Who, besides a marginal fringe (a redundant phrase to emphasize the point) of rightwing wackos, blames “1.4 billion followers of Islam for 9/11”. I wish you would drop that epithet. It is a TOTAL red herring, you of all people here on this site should know it, and it serves no purpose.

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By ardee, August 16, 2010 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

If something is to be built commemorating the site of that attack an all-faiths sort of memorial seems appropriate enough. I am an agnostic, one who seeks scientific proof before believing, thus I have no religious affiliation. I do ,however, recognize that most of my fellow Americans profess a belief in a deity, thus my contention above.

I would only add that it is as dumb to blame the 1.4 billion followers of Islam for 9/11 as it would be to blame the 1.2 billion Catholics for the Inquisition.

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By rico, suave, August 16, 2010 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

wildflower:

Re another thread: “Exactly what are you trying to say, Rico, Suave?  Are suggesting all people who are of the Muslim faith should be held responsible for the extremist views and terrorist acts of a Bin Laden and friends?”

Re this thread: “Republicans have become such a quirky and mindless group.  .  . They rant, rave and protest loudly” yada, yada, yada.

Exactly what are you trying to say, wildflower? Are suggesting all people who are of the Republican persuasion should be held responsible for the extremist views of a Pat Robertson or the terrorist acts of a Timothy McVeigh?

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By karmicgaia_absolutely, August 16, 2010 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment
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I simply do not understand this at all!

Who created this controversy?  Who even MADE this a controversy, because this should not be controversial.  After all, it is the United States of America where this controversy takes place in. 

Now, I have heard things that almost compels me to stay away from the media. Unfortunately, I am quite addicted to the news.  That being said, I hear stories about how the people who want to create a mosque near Ground Zero are not being “sensitive” to the fact that Ground Zero is “hallowed ground.” 

By this logic, NO religious buildings are to be built near Ground Zero either.  I seriously doubt these same people would agree as they are obvious hypocrites.  It must be noted that this mosque is being built supposedly two blocks away from Ground Zero.  Although obviously this mosque will not be next door to Ground Zero anyhow, people are complaining that this will be too close.  What justifies closeness?  Is 10 blocks too close?  Manhattan itself?

You know what though, in my opinion an orthodox religious building should not be built in the Castro district of San Francisco.  You know?  Really… because the orthodox believers are not being “sensitive” to the fact that most of the people who live there are considered scumbags by the people who want such a building built in their neighborhood.

Then again, you know what though, I don’t think fundamentalists should be allowed to attend LGBT festivals for harrassment purposes because it is apparent that the former are not “sensitive” and are antithetical to the purpose of the festival or even a parade.

The previous two paragraphs illustrate a relatively fair analogy.  Still, a mosque is a religious building.  In the USA, there is no mandate to take “sensitivities” of the public into consideration regarding the construction of religious buildings.  Bars, liquor stores, and strip clubs near elementary schools?  Sure, but not religious buildings.

I want to close with stating that it is not fair for the USA society in general to negatively stereotype 20% of the human race because of what 19 people did on September 11th, 2001.  Yes!  The USA society collectively views Muslims worldwide negatively and has done so long before September 11th, 2001.  It is uhhhh… annoying that so many conservatives evidently forget this.  The USA society in general never particularly cared for Muslims, EVER.  Members of the Beltway merely PRETENDS they do!
Also, it is immoral for Republicans to use this anti-Muslim sentiment to score political points.  This is quite vicious!  Score political points in positive ways, Republicans, such as siding with 90% of the impoverished USA public rather than multi-gazillionaire CEOs when legilating.

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By Tobysgirl, August 16, 2010 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment

Another nonissue so voters won’t think about the REAL issue, that is, who is looting and destroying their country.

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By Parity, August 16, 2010 at 12:31 pm Link to this comment
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What will happen when this subject evolves beyond being a political ping-pong game and becomes a notion in the Muslim world of intolerance to the presence of Christianity and Churches in cities where Muslims died at Christian hands.

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By samosamo, August 16, 2010 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment

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What a plate of grease and load of crap!!!

Hey, goofball sen. johnny cornintheass, you needn’t look any
further than your goddamn neoconservative brethren as to who
was responsible for the attacks on 9/11. Don’t you recall that
quaint little manifesto you and your republican criminals drafted
hinting the need for a new pearl harbor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Cen
tury
or
http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Plus, and the dimocrats are complicit in this, there was NEVER a
thorough investigation into the attacks, all evidence of the CRIME
SCENES scraped up and shipped over seas and all video of what
hit the pentagon confiscated and not releaseed for what possibly
shows real evidence of just what hit the pentagon because it
damn sure was NOT a major commercial aircraft, and then all
the lame excuses about your favorite terrorists, the ‘iraqis’, of all
people, who contributed NOT A SIINGLE PERSON to our home
grown terrorist attack being the ones behind the attack just so
to attack and destroy Iraq, a sovereign nation for its oil and
postions for military bases.

So, elected puke john cornhole, just turn around and look at
your fellow miscreants and you will be looking at those
responsible for the attack of 9/11 which criminally killed more
than 3000 people because such a republican outrage of denying
first responders and aid for their health needs mostly tops your
traitorous actions. What was it for? Did those first responders
talk too much about the actual explosions they witnessed? That
surely puts the ‘official story’ out of the picture. So, it amazes me
that you and your cabal of stinking ass republicans just don’t go
on up to the F.D.N.Y and call every one of them liars because
what you’re doing today damn sure does that. WHAT A PERSON
FOR THE POSTER CHILD OF WHAT IS A CREEP, senator john
cornyn.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, August 16, 2010 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment
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Obama’s plans for an Islamo-Fascist take over of America are in conflict with his plans for Socialist World Domination.  The guy is confused, yet who can blame him.  With so many problems to try and make worse he forgets who is supposed to take over what.  Even Glenn Beck gets confused but no one notices. 

Seriously, the country has become ungovernable.  People are unable to discuss the problems facing us in any meaningful way so they fall back on racial hatred and religious intolerance - the bottom of the barrel - not worthy of 21st century Americans.

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By wildflower, August 16, 2010 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment

Republicans have become such a quirky and mindless group.  .  . They rant, rave and protest loudly against the plans to build a Muslim Community Center in New York .  .  .  BUT are eager and excited about building Muslim nations .  .  . so eager, in fact, they’re willing to pick up billion dollar tabs, and send young U.S. Troopers all the way to Iraq and Afghanistan to do it.

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By SteveL, August 16, 2010 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

Guess what deep thinkers.  We got problems far more serious than the location of a mosque.

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By rocknwroll, August 16, 2010 at 11:25 am Link to this comment
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Americans wake up!  Here we have the president, like him or not, fulfilling his oath to defend and uphold the constitution and the sheople of America are led by the nose by a group of opportunistic propagandists to believe he has done something disloyal. Can all Americans be so ignorant? I surely hope not. If anything it should awake us to the fact that these same propagandists will be coming after our rights next if we are so easily hoodwinked. We should be wary of these opportunists who would love to take away our freedoms one at a time or in one fell swoop. Maybe when we start to lose our right to read what we want to, associate with whom we like and think what we want we will snap out of our trance of television, Xbox and MTV and stand up for the principle this country was founded on. Freedom!!

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