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GOP Senators Find a Workaround, Win Wis. Bill Battle

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Posted on Mar 9, 2011
AP / Morry Gash

Whoomp, there it is: Gov. Walker’s plan to push his bill through came to fruition on Wednesday.

On Wednesday, the standoff between Republican and Democratic members of the Wisconsin state Senate came to an abrupt end, due to some GOP ingenuity that made the absence of 14 senators moot for the purpose of passing Gov. Scott Walkers’ infamous union-busting bill.  —KA

MSNBC:

Republican senators separated the provision from Gov. Scott Walker’s controversial budget bill, removing the requirement that 20 senators be present for a vote on the anti-union measure.

The vote in the Senate was 18-1. Sen. Dale Schultz was the sole no vote. No Democrats were present.
Spectators in the gallery screamed at the Republicans on the floor, “You are cowards.”

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By Shenonymous, March 11, 2011 at 6:41 pm Link to this comment

vote, March 11 5:46pm-“Don’t wait a year for recalls!”

In Wisconsin, “the people” have started recall for eight of them but
the rest will escape for a year due to the law.  But they are pilloried
and will be soon as it can happen.  Michigan is a different state. 
You have to know the rules or it is simply pissing in the wind. Who
has time for that?
Anyone know the rules in Michigan? Best bet
is to relentlessly and loudly expose them to public scorn and ridicule.

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By PatrickHenry, March 11, 2011 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment

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GRYM

“Which national charter does your local union fall under? Do you not know?

It doesn’t have one.

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By vote, March 11, 2011 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment

The Governer of Michigan is making it so entire townships and towns can
be dissolved and replaced with a person OR A FIRM!!!  The entire lower
peninsula is a shale natural gas reserve.  If the people of Michigan resist the
destruction of their most precious natural resource, the environment,
through democratic means, the town government or township board will
be erased and replaced WITH THE MINING COMPANY!!!

They don’t play by the rules, why should we?  Don’t wait a year for recalls!

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By Go Right Young Man, March 11, 2011 at 8:42 am Link to this comment

PatrickHenry,

Which national charter does your local union fall under? Do you not know?

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By Shenonymous, March 11, 2011 at 7:46 am Link to this comment

This morning’s MSNBC Joe Scarborough speaking about the need to
cut entitlements, i.e., Social Security in particular, said mockingly
that his kids wouldn’t be eligible for Social Security until they were
69!  Another bubblehead around the table laughingly said theirs
wouldn’t either. That is pure pig dung talk. These blockheads mock
knowing their kids will never need Social Security.  They have tons of
money in the bank and in gold investments that their progeny will
never have to worry about where their next meal will come from when
they are old.

Regarding entitlement reform.  It should be in the form of a means test. 
That will save this country’s entitlements to the tune of billions, we
know it and they know it.  Why should people who have a lifetime
earnings of $35,000,000 according to their Income Tax reports,  be
eligible to collect social Security?  If that is not a fair figure, then
someone else give one.  I based that on a million dollars a year for 35
years. You know that the greater percentage of those making a million
dollars a year will have socked much of it away for their rainy daze
(days).  Same figures for Medicare.  Means testing is the best way to
not hurt those who are less privileged.  I know the question is what
about those who make $999,999 a year?  I’m just starting the
conversation.  Others can bring better ideas to the table and be
welcomed to do so.  But mention the word means testing and the
elites start screaming!  Just watch.

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By PatrickHenry, March 11, 2011 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

GRYM,

The United Association Union of Plumbers, Fitters and Welders? Which national charter does your union fall under?

If I can find the time to study the charter I may be able to share information with you that has previously eluded you on your local level.

I doubt you have anything to bring to the table or can shed light on as you are pretty much in the dark on most issues.

All the trades within the UA have welders for their respective trade, there isn’t a welders local union.

I’m a steamfitter by trade but as a project manager I deal with plumbers, sprinkerfitters and subcontract alot of work to other union trades sheet metal, insulators and electricians or what is known as the MEP trades.

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By Awi, March 11, 2011 at 1:19 am Link to this comment

I believe the reason the teachers and nurses lost in Wisconsin is the Democratic National Committee.  They swarmed in and took over.  Moore, Jackson, Schultz and Trumka are National Democratic shills.  The Democratic National Committee is a captive of corporations.  Their strategy is to act like they care for working people then stab them in the back.  Shun these people, we are better off without them.  The unfortunate people of Wisconsin were played like a fiddle.  Trumka on tv tonight bragged about how they won the public relations battle and that will be good for the next election.  Who gives a fuck!  Now Wisconsin teachers cannot collectively bargain.  They are screwed while the National Democrats are gloating about public relations gains.  While I pleaded to focus, focus, focus on Wisconsin and forget the National front, people seemed intent on nationalizing a State matter.  The focus was lost and now Wisconsin is lost.  The most progressive state in the Nation has been taken over by Fascists.  So now what?  Do the shytheads who were wrong just go party?  Prolly!  As a group, we progressives are just to dayum dumb to win a cake walk much less an issue of consequence.

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By Leefeller, March 11, 2011 at 1:08 am Link to this comment

“Its the difference between factual, demonstrative, information and media/Web based hearsay.”

Yeah GRYM, talking about facts like he knows what a fact is, is like saying Waker or Qaddafi knows what scruples are!

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By ardee, March 10, 2011 at 10:59 pm Link to this comment

call me Roy, March 11 at 1:26 am Link to this comment

What part of the word “Broke” don’t the Unions and Liberals get?

What part of the word bullshit don’t you get? The GDP of the USA is over 14 Trillion/year. Even an agendized clown like yourself should understand 14 trillion ain’t broke!

As to your mangling of the name of your President, well, you are a clown after all.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 10, 2011 at 10:48 pm Link to this comment

PatrickHenry,

Alternet is useless for this purpose. It’s the difference between factual, demonstrative, information and media/Web based hearsay.

The United Association Union of Plumbers, Fitters and Welders? Which national charter does your union fall under?

If I can find the time to study the charter I may be able to share information with you that has previously eluded you on your local level.

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By PatrickHenry, March 10, 2011 at 10:22 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

United Association.

I am correct about my union.

You are incorrect about most unions.  I can’t say all because there are those with scum as members.

http://www.alternet.org/story/150054/confirmed_unionbashing_rightwing_media_stars_hannity_limbaugh_and_oreilly_are_aflcio_unionaffiliated_members

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By Go Right Young Man, March 10, 2011 at 10:09 pm Link to this comment

PatrickHenry,

In my opinion you’ve been mired, like most, in local union activities. I am more familiar with national charters.

I would be glad to check the facts when I have an opportunity. Is this the The United Association Union of Plumbers, Fitters and Welders? Which national charter does your union fall under? 

If I can find the time I may be able to share information with you that has previously eluded you.  Then again, you may be correct about your union.

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By PatrickHenry, March 10, 2011 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment

GRYM.

Union dues are the funds which pay for the building, elected officers salaries, secretaries and other administrative expenses necessary to manage the many funds the fringe benefits are paid into. i.e. medical, pension, vacation. 

Elected trustees preside over these funds both on the union side and on the contractor side.

The federal government requires constant audits (which are not cheap) of the funds to comply with the many laws regulating unions.

Checkoffs for PACs are outside the dues structure, thats why they are called ‘checkoffs’ or voluntary contributions, dues are not political nor voluntary. 

The many illegals who come into this country cannot join legitimate unions because proof of U.S. citizenship is required, most of those 7 out of 10 (your statistics pulled out of your ass without backup) want to pay cheap labor without benefits and most don’t pay taxes on their nannies, gardeners and other under the table labor.

Many owners who contract work on commercial and industrial projects want to know they are hiring a capable person who is trained in the trade required, hence union labor.  You pay more but when a high pressure underground gas line is being installed in your neighborhood you don’t want someone who cant read the instructions to a diverter yet alone knows what it does.

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By Shenonymous, March 10, 2011 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment

Broke is the past tense of break.  It is time to break the backs of
the Republicans who are the real enemies of the people.  Wisconsin
is the window on the nation.  Democrats, liberals, progressives, don’t
need Obama or the impotent Washington politicians who parade as
Democrats.  The people will speak and do it for themselves.  The
Democrats are the only registered voters who are able to defeat the
Republicans and it is time to reform the Party to do just that!  If the
elected Democratic politicians want to stay in office, they will do what
their constituents’ want.  If they don’t, their days are numbered.

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By Robespierre115, March 10, 2011 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment

@Awi, sorry but again, this is the delusion of “Liberals” that we should just focus on Wisconsin while giving the Democrats and Obama a free pass. Everything here is connected. Either the working class does truly unite and break away from the system and its useless parties, or the fascists will continue winning. Read some history. A weak, hollow Democratic Party is not worth uniting with because it is PASSING THE EXACT SAME POLICIES.

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By call me roy, March 10, 2011 at 8:26 pm Link to this comment

What part of the word “Broke” don’t the Unions and Liberals get?
Don’t worry though, Barry Hussein will step in and save all of you?

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By Shenonymous, March 10, 2011 at 8:21 pm Link to this comment

Watch live what is going on in Wisconsin at
http://www.bailoutpeople.org/

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By Shenonymous, March 10, 2011 at 8:17 pm Link to this comment

That 7 out of 10 was before Wisconsin!

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By Go Right Young Man, March 10, 2011 at 8:15 pm Link to this comment

PatrickHenry,

If and when you answer even one question I pose I would be glad to answer all of yours.

I stand by all I wrote previously. Unions pursue profit and Checkoffs is analogous to extortion. - I refer you to your union bi-laws. If you fail to pay homage (dues) you get ZERO protection.

In Wisconsin 93% of public union political donations favor the democratic party. Although nearly half of union members are republican.

It’s a mistake to think you are in the majority when 7 out of 10 Americans elect to keep unions out of their workplace.

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By Shenonymous, March 10, 2011 at 7:52 pm Link to this comment

Thanks to the miscalculation of the “clever” sleazy Republican
governor of Wisconsin, unions are on their way to making a
comeback and will be more powerful than they were in their
corrupt past because this time managers at every level from
local to national will be watched like hawks watch their prey. 

A nationwide strike is being planned as we breathe.  April 4th is
the projected date for a nationwide protest demonstration. 

America unite!  America strike back!

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By PatrickHenry, March 10, 2011 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

Once again I find you making opinions about things you know little about.

I have been a member of local 602 in Washington DC for over 25 years.  Every union I know of is non-profit and must follow strict guidelines by the federal government to be so.

I would like for you to cite an example of a for-profit union. 

Checkoffs for the unions PACs are strictly voluntary (I don’t contribute) and there is no pressure to contribute.  The union uses these funds to back politicians who choose union labor over whatever alternative there is out there.

In our local most owners of companies were once union members or their parents were and decided to go into business for themselves or carry on the family business, most drop their ‘card’ but some prefer to become owner-members.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 10, 2011 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment

All unions in Wisconsin, private or public, may still negotiate wages, benefits and working conditions. This is not the end of unions. We may, however, be nearing the end of the democratic party taking labor for granted.

We may also see the end of the highly corrupt, blatantly undemocratic, practice of “Checkoffs’ and forcing individuals to contribute to political parties.

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Quite frankly, I don’t understand the lionization of today’s so-called labor unions. Unions pursue profit, first. Not unlike Citibank.

Force unions to once again be accountable and people will return. At the moment 7 out of 10 Americans freely and willfully choose to separate themselves from today’s Labor Unions. There’s a Teachable Moment here.

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By Leefeller, March 10, 2011 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment

Government workers should have no rights, because some Tea Baggers say so, and everyone knows all Tea Baggers are smarter then those Philadelphia lawyers and the Koch Brothers I have heard so much about.

WE need to get jobs back to reality,.... lower wages in the steps of Wal Mart and no benefits, these sweet heart deals gotta go,..... because Tea Baggers say so?

Maybe the United States needs to be more like those hard working South Korean, Hondi workers?  It seems in Korea,  workers get paid for 40 hours a week but work 80 hours a week, so they don’t upset their bosses. Sounds good to me!  We need to get back to the basics, none of this medical crap benefit stuff, lower wages so people can be like the rest of worlds peoples, Unions seem like Pinko socialists to the Tea Baggers, I don’t know what the Tea Baggers seem like, but I staring to gather some options for ideas!

Yep, get half the working class to shoot the other half, works for me. Tea Baggers and the Koch Brothers, Karl Rove and Fox News fair and balanced I have seen it in writing even! 

Walker for president, After all Walker seems a hero in his own mind and is following the footsteps of Bonzos partner actor Ronald Reagan! ...... viva screw most the people all the time and the rest when you can!

“Glad to see big governemnt is helping out, thanks Obama for not being there,......!

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By Blackspeare, March 10, 2011 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind…

No argument about politicians, but if you have PO workers who hustle you should give them a medal!

I noticed you didn’t mention teachers and as they say silence is acquiescence so by your silence I’m happy you are agreeing with me!

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By Awi, March 10, 2011 at 5:58 pm Link to this comment

Now we will see if the people of Wisconsin are winners or woosies.  Will Democracy prevail or will Fascism?

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By Big B, March 10, 2011 at 5:29 pm Link to this comment

After all the unions in the USA are eliminated (mark my words, they will be eliminated. all part of the plan, the neo-cons have gone past the point of no return, they are ALL IN now) just watch as the wages and benefits of ALL US workers begin to shrink and disappear at an accelerated pace. If nothing is done, if the left cannot rise up and save the nation, the brown shirted repugs will have won final victory, and the USA will slide into a new/old guided age.

I fear it is too late. For the main stream democratic party is almost as beholden to corporate money as the repugs. I think this nation has been bought and sold. The likes of Brown, Sanders, Kucinich, and Schumer are out gunned and out numbered in their own party alone, they stand no chance against the corporate agenda and their massive repug/dimmo army of whores.

The american public may have come to a point of no return themselves. Protests may not do it. I never thought I would see it, but as resouces dwindle, and the jack-boot of the oligarchs presses down on our throats, another civil war may be coming. The working class of the US didn’t fire the first shot of this war, but they may fire the last.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 10, 2011 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment

The public sector is comprised of the laziest group of people you’d ever meet——teachers included, but they’re not the worst——the worst are the post office staffers including the local Post Master.
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Typical RW bigotry. Also false.  There is only ONE PO in my area where the workers don’t bust their butts. All the rest they hustle.

BTW, Tell the cops and firemen and people guarding Walker’s miserable life they are “lazy”.  See what happens if they REALLY get lazy!

IMHO, the laziest people are elected officials who don’t do their homework and don’t get their facts straight, but don’t let that stand in the way of ruining other peoples’ lives.  Some are Democrats. Most, by far, are Republicans.

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By Blackspeare, March 10, 2011 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment

A famous saying goes, “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”  This applies not only to governments, but also to business and labor!  The public sector unions throughout the USA have become too powerful and demanding.  Sweetheart deals brokered by nefarious politicians and greedy union leaders in the past are now coming home to roost.  Wisconsin is the first battle, but not the last.  It is time that the rank and file taxpayers flex their muscles and turn the tide on the public unions by supporting budget cuts to lucrative benefits to overly paid public workers and “workers” is an overstatement.  The public sector is comprised of the laziest group of people you’d ever meet——teachers included, but they’re not the worst——the worst are the post office staffers including the local Post Master.

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By lasmog, March 10, 2011 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

“The vote in the Senate was 18-1. . . No Democrats were present.”  This pretty much sums up our political landscape for the past 30 years or so.

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By TheEnd, March 10, 2011 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment

You know we always joked about a one party system.  I guess it wasn’t funny after all - TheEnd

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By Awi, March 10, 2011 at 10:20 am Link to this comment

By Robespierre115, March 10 at 10:41 am Link to this comment “You heap all the blame on Republicans when this is a system as a whole that is failing us. Obama’s record is no better than Walker’s here.”

THE BATTLEGROUND IS WISCONSIN !  All focus should be on Wisconsin.  This is a battle that CANNOT be lost.  FOCUS, FOCUS, FOCUS, on Wisconsin.  Teachers and Nurses must understand that the hole they are trying to dig out of will only get deeper as time goes on.  There is no gain in waiting to STRIKE.  The risks and hardships of striking are understood; but, it will never be easier than it is now, or more productive.  FASCISM has slapped you in the face.  Fascism must be taken down when it shows it’s grotesque face, STRIKE, STRIKE, STRIKE, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!

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By SarcastiCanuck, March 10, 2011 at 10:02 am Link to this comment
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Walker won this battle,but has started a bigger war.The war with his constituents.Wake up Wisconsin,next time you vote,smoke Walkers ass and get someone who represents your interests and future,not the future of the wealthy and getting wealthier.Only you can send him to political obscurity….and prevent forest fires…..Fight with your vote.

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By Jim Yell, March 10, 2011 at 9:47 am Link to this comment
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As the priveleged work overtime to impoverish Labor and white collar workers, we can only hope that the people of Wisconsin throw the bums out!

Evil is as Evil does.

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By Shenonymous, March 10, 2011 at 8:50 am Link to this comment

The workers are the Democrats.  If they lost, it is because they
and their brethren are a bit late coming to the dance and they
didn’t know what band was playing or what dance they should
do.  They don’t even have dance steps but fumble and stumble
and trip over their own two left feet.  They stammer and stutter
in their tongue-tied ability to legislate and get the public to
understand what is at stake.  It is time for Democrats to be the
real liberals they can be.  Once they find their solid liberal ground
again, they can unite to shape the politics needed to create a country
of the people for the people.

If this “clever” action was so clever why didn’t the Wisconsin
Republicans do it once the 14 Democrat Senators left the state?  Why
did it take them two weeks to do it?  It is a tub of bull shit and now the
entire country is stuck in it.  Walker does what Republicans are always
skilled at doing and that is to jumble the issues so that it sounds like
he is doing something “progressive” when in fact it is the same old
dung that Republicans dish out as the main meal.

Democrats have just been delivered an electrocution, jolted awake that
should last until they in fact return the government to the people. The
reverberation of what has happened and what is going to be attempted
in the other states as well as the in the federal government is the
battleground that has always been there but not seen for the blindness
of the Democratic politicians own arrogance.

We should watch very closely what legal action is going to be taken in
Wisconsin and it is the responsibility of all those who are the ordinary
people of this country to not let the Republicans smash their moral
fiber and resolve to retain their dignity but more importantly to make
sure this country is ours. 

It does start at the grass roots as some of us have been saying for
months if not years.  Some are roaring for third-parties.  So be it if that
is what it takes.  But also listen to the Democratic wave that has begun,
it is the coming thunder of the people’s will.  Russ Feingold, Sherrod
Brown, Chuck Schumer are articulating it for the Democrats and we who
will remain Democrats should not only listen but act along with them. 
Once a clear road has been defined then we should all march on it.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 10, 2011 at 8:02 am Link to this comment

I want to see a general public employees’ strike.
Bureaucrats
Teachers
Firemen
Police
Prison Guards
Protective Services (you know, the state-level equiv of the Secret Service).

See how long they screw the people sworn to protect their lives!

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By PatrickHenry, March 10, 2011 at 7:33 am Link to this comment

These 18 Wisconsin republican state senators elected by singe digit percentages of eligible Wisconsin voters act as if they had a mandate to do so.

Winter is over and springtime is upon us, time for some cheesehead style demonstrations, shut down the state.

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By felixds, March 10, 2011 at 6:57 am Link to this comment

And we get criticized for comparing Walker to Hitler? Its 1933 all over again folks. Read your history. Don’t think it can’t happen here.

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By ardee, March 10, 2011 at 6:30 am Link to this comment

Court test to follow.

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By Robespierre115, March 10, 2011 at 5:41 am Link to this comment

@Awi, this is why “Liberals” will keep being walked over by the fascist right-wing. You heap all the blame on Republicans when this is a system as a whole that is failing us. Obama’s record is no better than Walker’s here. Obama’s new budget slashes funding for Pel Grants, guarantees teachers will be fired and even cuts aid for heating for old people in the Winter. Unless the working class starts questioning the system and stops being loyal to the Democrats, the right-wing will just smash everyone until it wins.

More people need to read Chris Hedges’ columns on this very website!

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By Awi, March 10, 2011 at 3:02 am Link to this comment

The illegal subversion of the Democratic process by extreme Republicans is not a workaround.  Whatever the cost, it’s time to confront and kill this Fascist movement in it’s tracks.  Whatever it takes, the time is now.

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By Robespierre115, March 10, 2011 at 2:55 am Link to this comment

@JJW A nation wide boycott? Like the one that crippled Arizona and forced it to dump its anti-immigrant legislation? HA!

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By Robespierre115, March 10, 2011 at 2:53 am Link to this comment

The sad thing is the workers are losing because they keep depending on the Democrats to save them. No one questions the actual system. What are the “Liberals” going to do? March on the weekend and then go back to work on Monday? And wake up, no one’s going to recall Walker or carry out a mass, general strike. The US is nowhere as militant as our neighbors down south.

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By Atlanta Roofing, March 10, 2011 at 1:22 am Link to this comment
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Wisconsin happenings are a national test case for
future political moves. The water is being tested for
more to come from Republican Governors of other states.
If the citizens accept this situation, then as Boehner
spoke, “So be it!”

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By JJW, March 10, 2011 at 1:12 am Link to this comment
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They won?

It’s over?

Sounds like it is just beginning, with a State wide workers’ strike, nation wide boycott, and massive recall effort.

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By samosamo, March 10, 2011 at 12:44 am Link to this comment

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If the republicans can come up with a gimmick to override dems
participation in the government process, then everything is
theirs. No need in any more elections we must all bow down to
our lords and masters the neoconservatives. They got what they
want, complete control. Obvious isn’t it, since the people just let
them do as they please.
No matter how fucked up these neocons are when 2012
elections roll around, they will be voted in in mass and laws will
be made that no person can run and serve but a verified
neoconservative.

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By Don Parnell, March 9, 2011 at 11:52 pm Link to this comment
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Game set and match.  The unions are dead in Wisconsin.  Now on to Ohio and Michigan where we can finally destroy the evil of unions once and for all.

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By Morpheus, March 9, 2011 at 11:22 pm Link to this comment

We are mad as hell and we won’t take it anymore.

Wake the Hell Up America! “JOIN THE REVOLUTION”

Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org )

We don’t have to live like this anymore. “Spread the News”

Vote for a better America. Petition for a better Government ((( NOW )))

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