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Posted on Nov 23, 2009
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The name Kennedy is just about synonymous with American Catholicism, but (at least) one of the brood is publicly feuding with the church. Patrick Kennedy, son of Ted and U.S. representative of Rhode Island, has been forbidden by his bishop to take communion since 2007.

Kennedy says his pro-choice views prompted the ban. This is nothing new. The issue famously came up in the 2004 campaign when some conservative Catholics called for John Kerry, who was running at the time to be America’s second Catholic president, to be denied communion.

Hey, it’s their clubhouse and rules are rules—just as long as the church also denies communion to politicians who support the death penalty, cut poverty programs and covet their neighbors’ wives.  —PZS

Boston Globe:

The war of words between the Catholic bishop of Rhode Island and US Representative Patrick J. Kennedy escalated yesterday when Bishop Thomas J. Tobin criticized him for disclosing a confidential request the prelate made in 2007 to stop receiving Holy Communion because of his stand on moral issues.

Tobin said he was disappointed the congressman had told a newspaper that he had been forbidden from receiving communion in Rhode Island because of Kennedy’s support of abortion rights. The bishop also accused the son of the late Senator Edward M. Kennedy of prolonging their public feud.

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By Hampstead, November 25, 2009 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment

Dear PZS - Puhleeeze!! You left out from your list of those who shouldn’t receive communion the worst offenders: politicians and generals who send our young men and women to Iraq and Afghanistan to kill people. And also those clergy who molested thousands of kids, and also those bishops and other members of the hierarchy who gave shelter and comfort to the thousands of child molesters.

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By Anarcissie, November 24, 2009 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

“Cracker” is pretty mild compared to the venom unleashed by religious people and organizations on each other and on infidels.

I think if Roman Catholics or Fundamentalists or Muslims want people to treat their religions respectfully, they should start to treat other people’s religions and religious beliefs, including atheism, paganism, Satanism and whatever else is out there, with the same respect they want for their own religion.  I haven’t noticed this happening yet.  Just consider the case we’re discussing—a Roman Catholic bishop has decided that Patrick Kennedy may not only not have or perform an abortion himself, but must also obey the Church’s dictates as to public policy for everybody else, Roman Catholic or not.

Religious people should be prepared to get what they dish out—often enough, hatred and violence—because that’s what they’re going to get.

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By Lavina, November 24, 2009 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

I believe Catholics have the same New Testament, that I have, and Jesus did not say to his deciples, ” If you believe ” thus and so”, you make take this communion.” He, simply, said, “Take this in remembrance of me.”

What has developed is a “government”, that decides, who can do certain things, based on the “government’s policies.

As you can see, I would not make a good Catholic.
Faith is based on one’s own convictions; as a result of study and his or her own spiritual experiences.

Churches can control religions —not faith.

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By nitejrny282, November 24, 2009 at 8:09 am Link to this comment
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Wow. Both Heather and Thong-Girl need to chill out.

Heather? It was a funny headline. Take a page from the Jews and learn to laugh at
your own religion/culture once in a while.

Thong-Girl? Take a page from our nation’s forefathers and try to respect other
people’s beliefs. We’re not ALL child-molesters.

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By Thong-girl, November 24, 2009 at 7:16 am Link to this comment

Affording dignity to a “eucharist,” whatever that is, if you understand an evolutionary trajectory for all of life, is just dumb.  If you accept science, why afford some made up respect for any religion?  I respect the ‘cracker’ analogy, as I was a happy little altar boy before I learned how life began.  Those clinging to religious sanctity ought to consider how hypocritical it sounds.  Beside, the “eucharist” is often referred to as a “wafer” by the “faithful” so what is the difference?  Biscuit, wafer or cracker, they all add up to the same thing:  nonsense and delusion.

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By Howard, November 24, 2009 at 7:04 am Link to this comment

I thought the catholic church folded up last year with all the announced priestly scandels and payoffs to the aggreived peoples.

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By martin boyle, November 23, 2009 at 6:00 pm Link to this comment
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That truly is an insulting caption.  It undermines the credibility of Truth Dig and
denies the dignity of the Eucharist.

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By nitejrny282, November 23, 2009 at 4:00 pm Link to this comment
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As a Catholic I gotta say… lighten up. It’s funny.

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By wildflower, November 23, 2009 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

Re Heather: “So you can just decide for yourself what being Catholic is?”

Believe Catholic neocons like Michael Novak, George Weigel, and Richard Neuhaus
could greatly benefit from your sermon.  As I recall, they dismissed John Paul II’s
declaration that Bush’s invasion of Iraq was an unjust war.  In fact, I believe of
most of these people continue to support these immoral policies.

As for who can and cannot receive Communion, I must say this bishop seems out
of line to me. I’m not a biblical expert, but I thought the instructions at the Last
Supper were only to “Do this in remembrance of me.” I don’t recall Jesus giving
any of his disciples either the power to judge or instructions to judge who is
worthy or unworthy to “do this in remembrance” of Jesus.

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By Anarcissie, November 23, 2009 at 10:06 am Link to this comment

Recently, I’ve been reading about how the Roman Catholic Church has been trying to swipe members from the Anglican (Episcopal) Church who are dissatisfied with the lack of hatred shown by the latter towards certain minorities.

I think this could work both ways:  the Anglican Church should consider swiping members of the Roman Catholic Church who find they’ve become too liberal for it, like Patrick Kennedy.  The liturgies are fairly similar and you don’t even have to eat fish on Fridays any more.  A few more Italians and Irish and the Anglicans would be good to go.

One could consider it a sort of prisoner exchange.

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By Heather, November 23, 2009 at 9:37 am Link to this comment
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So some catholics approve of abortion, but think they are still good catholics?

So you can just decide for yourself what being Catholic is?  So if I think Jesus was just some mentally ill guy who thought he was the son of God, I can still be a goog Catholic?

Or do only some people get to change the rules of the faith and others don’t?

This seems to be people trying to create God in their image.  They want to make God politically correct!

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By w.j.ferrari, November 23, 2009 at 8:38 am Link to this comment
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The title of this article is most insulting to Catholics. Go to hell.

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By Charlie Kasnick, November 23, 2009 at 8:18 am Link to this comment
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Our local bishop during the Busch years ,told the local paper that catholics can not vote for democrats and be in good standings with the church.
30 years ago my wife a good catholic girl all her life was told they would not marry us in the church,being I was not of faith and she was with child,after 4 years of dating.Since then I have seen so many people of very little faith or moral statue continue to be married in the church,many several times to different partners,and still be in good standings with the church.
Maybe god thinks they need the church more than us!

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By Jim Yell, November 23, 2009 at 8:03 am Link to this comment
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Most organized religions are just corporations designed to make huge amounts of money and gain political power. It was because of this recognition of the process that we had separation of church and state written into law. Trying to give on the issue is how we got In God We Trust on our coinage and while it is a fairly recent thing, though older than “one nation under God” which was added much more recently to the secular patrotic oath, and now the religous use it as a device to confuse people about the intent of a secular democratic government and society.

None of us are safe as long as fundamentalist religions continue to fool people that our government was founded upon extending and enforcing relgion. The fact is for all of us to be safe in our convictions we must each respect the others right to believe or not to believe and how to believe or not to believe. Laws should not exist to promote one religion over another or even one religion over no religion. Freedom in this country is under attack by people who have not bothered to think the process thru.

The majority or powerful group of today may well be the helpless group of tomorrow and that is the foundation of our individual guarantees under the Bill of Rights.

As to the Pope and his minions they have dropped the pretense of being inclusive and law abiding and returned to the “good old days” when they thought they could bully and dismiss the rights of others. The priests of Rome and the preachers of Protestantism speak only for their congregations and only to the extent that they are allowed to do so without losing their flock.

They would like to have control over anyone foolish enough to pledge to their version of God and we must now ask given these types of interference in public life, should any Catholic be voted into office if he can’t represent all of the electorate? If he can’t be loyal to the Constitution and Bill of Rights? A valid and good question.

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By RPalacio, November 23, 2009 at 6:56 am Link to this comment
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In light of the recent scandals with the U.S. priesthood, declining numbers, dioceses going under, there must be MORE important issues that must be faced.
Let God be the judge. The bishop is human too. I am sure God is more concerned about how we treat one another rather than making judgements on each other.

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By Purple Girl, November 23, 2009 at 6:19 am Link to this comment

And the Vatican wonders why the Catholic numbers are dropping around the world.
The Vatican has not just been destroying it’s adversaries for Millenia, but creating them.
Much like the Repug party of late, not just closing ranks but throwing the ‘unworthy’ out of the group. Only increasing the numbers of the Opposition.
People have not left Catholism as much as Catholism has rejected them.
Seems now under the Nazi Youth RATZ,you not only have to deny womens rights, but the Holocaust as well.At this point one wonders if membership to NAMBLA is also a requiste to being a ‘Good Catholic’.
Facinating the supposed ‘protestant’ sects calling themselves ‘Fundementalists’ or ‘Evangelical’ maintain the same Criteria as the Vatican ah?
Who’s the ‘Great Whore’ of Satan, Hagee? I see absolutely no light between the heresy of the Vatican and these Mega church snake oil dealers.

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