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Free Tilly?Posted on Feb 26, 2010
One of SeaWorld Orlando’s resident orcas, Tilikum, made the kind of headlines that family theme parks never want to make when he killed trainer Dawn Brancheau this week, and now the question of whether “Tilly” should stay at SeaWorld understandably has arisen. Some killer whale experts think he should be set free, pointing to the giant mammals’ need to roam the oceans instead of cruise around relatively tiny tanks with humans for show, but that plan hasn’t always been successful with captive whales. —KA
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By whaleluvr, April 19, 2010 at 6:51 am Link to this comment
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i think that yes, it is a tragic event that this whale killed its trainer, but from
reports from the trainer’s family, she understood that there was a risk when
working with animals. i don’t mean to sound like i’m saying that i condone
what the whale did, but i think it just goes to show that animals in general are
not meant to be kept in captivity for the enjoyment of humans.
at this point, the whale would not survive in the wild because it has never
needed to have to hunt, it has been treated so well that it has almost lost it’s
natural instincts, so for whale’s already in capitivity, i don’t think they we would
be doing them a favor by releasing them, but it should let us know that we
should not keep continuing to bring whales into captivity because there is no
chance of survival if they are released and incidents such as this occur when
they are in captivity.
oh…and for the guy who wants to eat him as sushi, thats just effin nasty.
Report thisBy trae, April 8, 2010 at 6:09 am Link to this comment
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your dumb.
Report thiswhat these trainers are doing for the animals is the best thing for them. Do you really think that after all time in captivity and then relaesed in the wild would help them or kill them. Obviously Dawn worked there for many years and you would not have if she didnt belive in what was happening. The whales live a good life and are provided for. Putting them back into the wild is suicidal.
By Andrew, March 2, 2010 at 6:20 pm Link to this comment
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I agree with the most recent comment. These animals/mammals
should not be used for our entertainment….they should be used
to fill my belly!
I have offered my services to SeaWorld to gut this beast.
Report thisBy surfcitysocal, March 2, 2010 at 11:31 am Link to this comment
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Ryan: By the way, “stupider” isn’t a real word.
Excuse me for using the phrase “a gentle soul”. Don’t take it so literally. It was meant to express the way in which Keiko generally behaved.
People were horrified when they learned about the large number of performing bears in Eastern Europe, kept in tiny, little cages or on chains, forced to peform tricks and entertain. It’s no different with the orcas.
Whether or not any of these whales can be returned to the wild is not the point. The use of these animals for human entertainment is wrong. Period. And it needs to stop. Fine, you don’t want to let them go? Then find something equivalent to a wild animal park where they have some room to live out their lives with relative normalcy. But stop using them to line your back pocket.
Report thisBy christine craft, March 2, 2010 at 10:04 am Link to this comment
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to the fellow who wanted Tilikun to be converted into sushi, Do you enjoy eating mammalian sushi?
do you know the definition of sushi…hint: think fish.
keeping whales in teacups..such a compassionate idea.
F R E E T I L I!
Report thisBy Andrew, March 2, 2010 at 8:55 am Link to this comment
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Understand this, this whale, unlike other captured whales has
shown OVERT aggression and violence. Given that he is a
somewhat intelligent mammal, he’s made a DECISION to kill 3
times outside of his predatory instincts. This wasn’t an accident,
other trainers at Seaworld reported that they had to pry his jaws
open to free the fellow lifeless trainer.
Now is the time to put him to good use and serve him in Sushi
Report thisbars across the world with a bowl of brown rice.
By ANIMAL LOVER, March 1, 2010 at 9:09 pm Link to this comment
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i say ” FREE THE WHALE ”
Report thisBy Ryan, March 1, 2010 at 7:04 pm Link to this comment
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So, citing the Keiko situation is different?
1. They’re both orcas.
2. They both were captured in the wild.
3. They’ve both been trained and have performed in parks.
4. They both didn’t seem to like it much.
5. The one that was released ended up dying… and you think Tilicum wouldn’t end up dying based on the wonderful conclusion of… Keiko was a gentle soul.
Pure genius. I don’t know what’s stupider… the way that you derived your conclusion, or the fact that you believe that animals have souls.
Report thisBy AUKatt, March 1, 2010 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment
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Any wild animal that is kept in captivity will always have the potential to return to it’s natural instincts. Those of you who make comment such as “serve him up in a can with a side of lettuce and tomatoes” obviously do not understand anything about these animals. Unfortunately for Tilly, he would probably not be taken in by a pod of wild orcas, but instead would be ousted by them and subsequently killed as an intruder.
Report thisI think that he should be retired from showing. Remove the humans in his tank and reduce the threat of endangering human life…
Someone mentioned that humans who kill animals are jailed… not always. Animals that maul humans are euthanized- if necessary. Mammals (which ARE animals, and include dogs, cats, orcas, and <gasp> HUMANS!!) should be served with a bowl of ice- 1. that’s sick. 2. again- he is ultimately a wild animal. he has done what comes naturally, and even if he was playing- he’s 20000 pounds to the trainer’s 150 pounds, MAYBE- the physics are simple there- 20000 pounds= death or at the least extreme damage to the 150 pound organism.
By surfcitysocal, March 1, 2010 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment
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I hope this incident ends the practice of using these animals for human entertainment.
What happened to the trainer is tragic and horrifying, but what is being done to these orcas is obscene.
Citing the Keiko experiment is faulty:Keiko was a gentle soul. Tilikum has shown that he is a much more aggressive orca on more than one occasion. Is it possible that he might have a better chance? And the excuse about all that nasty bacteria in the ocean is laughable—nevermind all the orcas roaming these bacteria-laden oceans.
Apparently, however, the only way Sea World is going to see the light is if people stop buying tickets to attend shows that feature huge captive animals performing tricks in a little, tiny, watery cage.
Report thisBy Robert Cadalso, March 1, 2010 at 11:29 am Link to this comment
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When are we going to stop being like the Romans and keep animals suffering? Let the animal FREE.
Report thisBy Ryan, March 1, 2010 at 10:44 am Link to this comment
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Did the whale take people to the mall?
Or did you mean “maul”?
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–noun
1.Also called shopping mall. a large retail complex containing a variety of stores and often restaurants and other business establishments housed in a series of connected or adjacent buildings or in a single large building.Compare shopping center.
2.a large area, usually lined with shade trees and shrubbery, used as a public walk or promenade.
3.Chiefly Upstate New York. a strip of land, usually planted or paved, separating lanes of opposite traffic on highways, boulevards, etc.
4.the game of pall-mall.
5.the mallet used in the game of pall-mall.
6.the place or alley where pall-mall was played.
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–noun
1.a heavy hammer, as for driving stakes or wedges.
2.Archaic. a heavy club or mace.
–verb (used with object)
3.to handle or use roughly: The book was badly mauled by its borrowers.
4.to injure by a rough beating, shoving, or the like; bruise: to be mauled by an angry crowd.
5.to split with a maul and wedge, as a wooden rail.
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Report this—Can be confused:?mall, maul, maw.
By Andrew, March 1, 2010 at 10:02 am Link to this comment
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A human kills an animal and he’s going to jail. An animal malls a
Report thishuman and he’s put to sleep. A mammal kills 3 human beings and
why are we not serving him with a bowl of ice?
By Catheryn, February 28, 2010 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment
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If the tables were turned, does anyone think the orca’s would pay to come see us perform?
Report thisBy Ryan, February 28, 2010 at 11:16 am Link to this comment
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LOL… a grudge against his trainer… what a moron
Report thisBy MarthaA, February 28, 2010 at 11:00 am Link to this comment
Freedom for Tilly, even if he died, would be better than being in a pool until he dies being made to act for the public. Tilly may have had a grudge against his trainer. Who knows what that trainer did to Tilly to get him to act, but there may have been extenuating circumstances that will never be known, since Tilly can’t speak.
It may be a death warrant to free Tilly, but even a little bit of freedom is better than a lifetime of oppression.
Report thisBy Ryan, February 27, 2010 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment
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None of the folks who want the whale released have evidently done an ounce of research. $20 million dollars couldn’t rehabilitate Keiko, the whale who played Willy in the movie. He just died out there. Tilikum is valued largely as a stud, that is, he is used to impregnate the female whales in order to produce more whales, because Sea World doesn’t capture wild whales anymore. If any of the critics spent an ounce of time researching instead of bitching, they’d be aware of this.
Report thisIt’s good for Central Florida’s economy to have Sea World here, and the whales are fun to watch. I hope that Tilikum is put to good use in the park, but I also hope that the people taking care of him understand how dangerous he is, even if he doesn’t mean to be.
By Anarcissie, February 27, 2010 at 8:40 am Link to this comment
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn02262010.html
Report thisBy Jim Yell, February 27, 2010 at 7:58 am Link to this comment
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I remember a story, an incident years ago in which a whale grabbed a person and pulled it down, but in this instance the animal apparently realized the person was having difficulty and released him. It isn’t clear from the history of this present animal about his intent—-or did he mangle the body? I dont’ recall anything being mentioned except drowning?
Ideally animals are best left to live their natural lives, but it is also true that people in the modern age only get a chance to see animals in confinement. I always thought perhaps as they do in part now days, have the animals in their groups in open land or water and only bring an indiviual in to display for 8 hours and then return to the group.
I know that the hole in the movement to free work animals and yes, even food animals is that once we don’t have to deal with them they are likely to be crowded out of the environment and people won’t miss them, because they won’t know them. A lot like the children I just saw who at 6 years old could not identify a fresh tomato. Once they can not identify a horse or a cow, what will they care when told the animals are about to disapear. They never saw one anyway?
Report thisBy MarthaA, February 27, 2010 at 7:04 am Link to this comment
Free Tilly.
Report thisBy C.Curtis.Dillon, February 27, 2010 at 4:40 am Link to this comment
They must have changed the program since I was there 7 years ago. Tilly was allowed to perform but there were no humans in the tank with him. He just did a few jumps and splashed the audience with his tail. That was it. And his size told me why ... he was big enough to eat a human whole and a lot more active than the females. He was dangerous even then. I can only imagine what 7 more years in that enclosed tank did to his mind. What a shame and such a beautiful animal. He should have never been taken in the first place. He needs to be retired to a large, sheltered cove somewhere and taken care of until he grows old. Release in the wild will probably not work for him as he has been captive too long.
Report thisBy Mike3, February 26, 2010 at 11:10 pm Link to this comment
Tilly is there because he makes money and because he’s part of the sick anthropomorphism (the attributing of human characteristics to animals), that says more about how sick we are, than how “deranged” or “dangerous” an animal is. If anything is dangerous, it’s us. The tragedy with the trainer just illustrates this.
Report thisBy rollzone, February 26, 2010 at 8:14 pm Link to this comment
hello. with today’s visual technologies, live killer
Report thisanythings are not necessary. i have no problem putting
Tilly in cans: and serving with a little lettuce,
tomatoe, and mayonaise. i do not want to be giving it
away here, but the next trick they are training Tilly
to do is: leap up into the audience, and bat a half
dozen spectators into the tank; so the family can get
involved.
By Basoflakes, February 26, 2010 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment
Killer whales are part of the dolphin family. Only humans and apes are smarter than dolphins, and really, only occasionally humans.
I spent a year volunteering in a zoo as an assitant keeper and docent. I spoke to many keepers and zoo admin staff and not one of them thinks a wild animal is better off in a zoo if it can be released safely back in the wild. The problem for animals that were rejected at birth and have to be human raised or for endangered species like tigers, they have little chance for survival in the wild.
But, an orca, an inherant family oriented animal, if it can find a family to bind to can flourish in the wild.
There is no question there should be no killer whales in zoos or related aquariums and exhibits, and the fact is that only a few animals truly need to be in zoos and should be there.
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