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France to Take Roma Fingerprints

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Posted on Oct 2, 2010
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The immigration debate in France just got a bit hairier. After the government publicly rounded up and expelled over 10,000 Roma in this year alone, French authorities have announced they will begin to use a biometric fingerprinting system to discourage those who were expelled from ever coming back. —JCL

Al-Jazeera English:

French authorities will soon take the fingerprints of Roma and other migrants, in an attempt to discourage them from coming back to France after being expelled.

Martine Rodier, head of the ministry of immigration and integration, made the announcement on Friday, two days after the French government had been cautioned by the European Commission for its deportations of European citizens from Bulgaria and Romania.

Rodier said that the “biometric system will allow us to detect repeated requests for repatriation assistance and help us prevent the undue payment of return aid to people who come once, twice.”

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By diamond, October 5, 2010 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment

The Nazis didn’t invent ethnic cleansing but they certainly perfected it and Israel has carried out ethnic cleansing for decades. Israel also shoots children, locks up thousands of people without charge or trial, has turned Gaza into a pretty good facsimile of the Warsaw Ghetto, has forced Palestinian women to give birth at checkpoints by not allowing them through to go to hospital, carried out war crimes in Lebanon in 2006 and Gaza in 2008, broken international law by using phosphorous bombs on civilian areas and deliberately targeting non-military targets, and has carried out collective punishment for most of its existence, also in defiance of international law. Not a Nazi state? Really?

From Judge Richard Goldstone’s report on the invasion of Gaza:

Attacks on the foundations of civilian life in Gaza: destruction of industrial infrastructure, food production, water installations, sewage treatment plants and housing

50. The Mission investigated several incidents involving the destruction of industrial
infrastructure, food production, water installations, sewage treatment plants and housing (chap.XIII). Already at the beginning of the military operations, el-Bader flour mill was the only flour mill in the Gaza Strip still operating. The flour mill was hit by a series of air strikes on 9 January 2009, after several false warnings had been issued on previous days. The Mission finds that its destruction had no military justification. The nature of the strikes, in particular the precise targeting of crucial machinery, suggests that the intention was to disable the factory’s productive capacity. From the facts it ascertained, the Mission finds that there has been a violation of the grave breaches provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Unlawful and wanton destruction which is not justified by military necessity amounts to a war crime. The Mission also finds that the destruction of the mill was carried out to deny sustenance to the civilian population, which is a violation of customary international law and may constitute a war crime. The strike on the flour mill furthermore constitutes a violation of the right to adequate food and means of subsistence.

51. The chicken farms of Mr. Sameh Sawafeary in the Zeytoun neighbourhood south of GazaCity reportedly supplied over 10 per cent of the Gaza egg market. Armoured bulldozers of the Israeli armed forces systematically flattened the chicken coops, killing all 31,000 chickens inside, and destroyed the plant and material necessary for the business. The Mission concludes that this was a deliberate act of wanton destruction not justified by any military necessity and draws the same legal conclusions as in the case of the destruction of the flour mill.

52. The Israeli armed forces also carried out a strike against a wall of one of the raw sewage lagoons of the Gaza wastewater treatment plant, which caused the outflow of more than 200,000 cubic metres of raw sewage onto neighbouring farmland. The circumstances of the strike suggest that it was deliberate and premeditated. The Namar wells complex in Jabaliyah consisted of two water wells, pumping machines, a generator, fuel storage, a reservoir chlorination unit, buildings and related equipment. All were destroyed by multiple air strikes on the first day of the Israeli aerial attack. The Mission considers it unlikely that a target the size of the Namar wells could have been hit by multiple strikes in error. It found no grounds to suggest that there was any military advantage to be had by hitting the wells and noted that there was no suggestion that Palestinian armed groups had used the wells for any purpose. Considering that the right to drinking water is part of the right to adequate food, the Mission makes the same legal findings as in the case of the el-Bader flour mill.’

Not a Nazi state? Really? And you can defend Sarkozy all you like but you can’t stop the French voters from passing judgement on him.

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By Lafayette, October 3, 2010 at 11:11 pm Link to this comment

diamond: In 1995 when all those fake terror attacks were carried out on the Paris metro guess who the Minister for the Interior was?

This is a boldface lie. I defy you to prove it, because you cannot.

What’s with this clear antisemitism and why is it being permitted?

Where’s the pilot on this blog?

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By Lafayette, October 3, 2010 at 11:02 pm Link to this comment

CALUMNY

diamond: There’s a reason most Jews don’t live there, and that is that most of them find Israel’s activities stomach turning and morally indefensible.

You don’t live there, presumbably, so you are simply presuming. I will agree that Israel has gone too far to the right for its own good. But that does not make it a Nazi state.

If you feel so strong about it, however, why not go there and try to change the situation? Become part of the outraged Left that is against further development of the West Bank colonies and militate against the present government? They are not just a few and in the next election Netanyahu could be out on his you-know-what.

Also, under Bush, America was not just as paranoiac? You’re the pot calling the kettle black.

France is not “Nazi” and neither is Sarkozy, its president. It is ludicrous to make such an unsubstantiated and defamatory remark.

The US needs a good law protecting individuals from defamatory and slanderous remarks—as you made in your original post. Freedom-of-speech does NOT include freedom to slander—which,it seems, American seem to have forgot (if they ever learned it).

Instead of name-calling,try making arguments based upon fact. And as regard fact, there is no substantiation whatsoever that Sarkozy is either Nazi or fascist—or is France for that matter. In fact, France is the most open of European countries towards its Jewish community.

Seventy-six thousand Jews were deported from France during the Holocaust. France commemorates this souvenir each and every year—to assure that it is not erased from the common memory and, in that manner, perhaps repeat itself either in France or elsewhere in the world.

To infer that Israel is a Nazi state is tantamount to calumny. Watch your language.

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By diamond, October 3, 2010 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

No, Lafayette, he wouldn’t be found on the centre right anywhere. You’ve already admitted he’s a neo con and after that there’s nowhere to go but the extreme right. His entire agenda is neo con and so is he. And as for the fact that he’s Jewish, which I already knew, surely it cannot have entirely escaped your attention that there’s a nation that is strictly ‘Jews only’ which is Nazi to its goosestepping bootstraps. Being Jewish doesn’t automatically make you immune to being a Fascist and a racist, a religious bigot and a warmonger. If it did the state of Israel would be a whole different animal. There’s a reason most Jews don’t live there, and that is that most of them find Israel’s activities stomach turning and morally indefensible. The stench of the deportations of Jews hangs over the whole Roma incident which is of course doubly tragic, since the man who did it is Jewish and worse than that, is, in the final analysis, also a cynical politician trying to shore up his far right Fascist base by behaving like Hitler. All Sarkozy needed to do to make the similarity complete was tattoo a number on the Romas’ arms so they would be immediately recognizable as Untermenschen. You know, like those other Untermenschen the Palestinians, who have been permanently deported into refugee camps and the rubble of Gaza by people who you claim can’t be Nazis because they’re Jewish.

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By Lafayette, October 3, 2010 at 6:54 am Link to this comment

NAZI YOURSELF

<blockquote><i> diamond : Sarkozy. What a sweet little neo con Nazi he is.<blockquote>

Nazi yourself. Sarkozy’s father is Jewish ... Hitler would never have let him into the party.

Goodness, how jerks are facile with the name-calling when they don’t know the facts. Maybe they think it’s a good substitute for ignorance? Well, it ain’t …

Neocon, maybe, but Sarkozy has always been on the French Right and tagging people politically is dangerous without a translation key.

Meaning this:
* If Sarkozy were in the US, he’d be a Center-Right Democrat in terms of political ideology.
* Lafayette is found to be center-right on the American political landscape. In France, however, he is considered to lie just to the Right of Genghis Kahn.

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By Jolimont, October 2, 2010 at 10:46 pm Link to this comment

The fingerprinting is an effort to stop Romas from
using the French repatriation assistance as a piggy
bank. When a family is flown back they are given 300€
per person. That adds up quickly when you have a lot
of children, which many do. The fingerprint is what
stops them from coming back time and again to get
that assistance.

When the US sends back unwanted immigrants we
fingerprint them (we fingerprint ALL immigrants!),
throw them in immigration jail, and give them no
assistance whatsoever. Now tell me: who’s mistreating
immigrants?

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By diamond, October 2, 2010 at 3:49 pm Link to this comment

In 1995 when all those fake terror attacks were carried out on the Paris metro guess who the Minister for the Interior was? Yep. Sarkozy. What a sweet little neo con Nazi he is.

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