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Foreign Leaders Work on Terms of Libyan No-Fly ZonePosted on Mar 8, 2011
The U.K., France, various Arab states and NATO representatives are all working on plans to prevent besieged Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi from launching airstrikes against his people. Gadhafi’s forces continue to clash with rebels, who now control much of the country.
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By Go Right Young Man, March 9, 2011 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment
Every Islamic country in the world asks U.S. to lead Libyan No Fly Zone.
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Islamic countries back imposition of no-fly zone on Libya - U.S. Resists
[08/March/2011]
JEDDAH, March 8 (Saba)—The Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) Tuesday supported the imposition of a no-fly zone over Libya but rejected military intervention in the North African country, according to Kuwait News Agency (KUNA).
OIC Secretary General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, at a special meeting with the permanent representatives here, voiced backing to imposing a no-fly zone over Libya which has been experiencing clashes between forces of Muammar Gadhafi and rebels, which killed and injured hundreds of people.
“We are joining voices demanding the imposition of a no-fly zone on Libya, he said, and called on the UN Security Council (UNSC) to live up to its responsibilities in that respect.
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, March 9, 2011 at 3:23 pm Link to this comment
gerard, - “Given the reputation of the U.S. as a highly militarized imperial oil-seeking aggressor in the Middle East”
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I lived nearly eight years in the Middle East. From that experience I can write, with all assurance, that your view of the world, particularly that of the United States, is amongst the minuscule minority.
You follow far too much Western media.
Report thisBy drbhelthi, March 9, 2011 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment
” - - evidence that the U.S. does not, as is commonly,
arrogantly, and erroneously believed on this Web space,
rule the globe.”
Is this the case, or could it indicate that the
Report this“bystanders” sucked into the scenario, are protecting
themselves? “Uncle Sugar´s” reps inserted the idea
subtly. Perhaps the “bystanders” want Uncle Sugar to do
his own dirty-work.
By gerard, March 9, 2011 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment
Given the reputation of the U.S. as a highly militarized imperial oil-seeking aggressor in the Middle East, it is a stretch to expect people there to suddenly see any kind of military action (such as a no-fly zone interjection) as a humanitarian gesture on our part.
Report thisTherefore, probably better to step back out of the front line, let other countries with better regional reputations decide what is best, and support humanitarian relief by sending supplies (non-military only!) through other countries, who, even though they may smell bad, do not smell as bad as the U.S., thanks to our prolonged wars of conquest in the area.
By radson, March 9, 2011 at 10:43 am Link to this comment
Grym :are you suffering from myopia,does the Tet Offensive ring a bell in the propaganda scheme of things .I had previousely mentioned that America does not move at a Patton pace and set piece situations are highly desired ,because they are more easily controlled.
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, March 9, 2011 at 8:01 am Link to this comment
Has anyone noticed that several European, African and Middle-Eastern nations are negotiating to have the UNITED STATES enforce a no-fly zone over Libya, while it’s the United States putting up flags of caution?
I offer this is evidence that the U.S. does not, as is commonly, arrogantly, and erroneously believed on this Web space, rule the globe.
Report thisBy drbhelthi, March 9, 2011 at 4:45 am Link to this comment
Worries about U.S. involvement in Lybia?
If all CIA/MOSSAD and mercenaries were to be withdrawn from their socially and politically disruptive activities in the Mid-East, all the current protests would swiftly cease to exist, expecially the Lybian uprising.
Why remove Moammar Gaddafi, when Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere demonstrate that Zionist Imperialism, under the guise of “American Democracy” is much worse?
“Al Kaida” has actively existed since the Hitler Society, think tank of “George W. Bush” put it into action. Initially filling it with C.I.A. operatives and mercenaries, disgruntled locals were slowly pulled into this sub-division of the Hitler Society, with initial Headquarters in D.C., later farmed out to a C.I.A. station in Iraq.
Report thisBy radson, March 8, 2011 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment
Well Rico I see that that your back to your own self and who do you think will buy your Saddam and Taliban
Report thisarguement ,which is about as accurate as American Haute Cuisine ‘Mcdonalds and KFC’ hell I got some two for one vouchers :jealous are we ;maybe you could convince the Mirage pilots to deliver the goods afterall pretexts are in wont these days.
By fearnotruth, March 8, 2011 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment
rico, thanks, enjoying the civil exchange
RE: ...now that it looks like the US is doing just that, or at least being very
cautious about how to proceed, we hear worries that the US is behind all this
uproar after all.
actually most so-called ‘progressives’ do not see it that way - to them, all these
so-called ‘people-power, color revolutions’ are pure home grown and
spontaneous - romantic as ever
Pentagon’s cautiont: don’t appear too eager
Report thisEurope’s call for intervention: the wave of boat-people is already arriving
By rico, suave, March 8, 2011 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment
fearno:
Seriously though. Progressives want the US to stay out of all these countries, and now that it looks like the US is doing just that, or at least being very cautious about how to proceed, we hear worries that the US is behind all this uproar after all.
It’s the Tawana Brawley Syndrome- “Well, well, even thought the US might not be involved this time, they COULD be because they did it before, and so thy’re still hegemonic imperialist assholes.”
Here’s the truthdig logic:
Libya explodes.
The United States exists.
The United States is to blame for the explosion.
Perfect and irrefutable.
Report thisBy fearnotruth, March 8, 2011 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment
RE: ...especially if “democracy” ever crossed their lips…
the magic word - defines US post-cold-war foreign policy: Be nice to us or we’ll
Report thisbring ‘democracy’ to your country!
By rico, suave, March 8, 2011 at 2:02 pm Link to this comment
fearno:
“an orchestrated blakanization and the ‘freedom fighters’, who are no doubt very sincere, are
being used, while public opinion is being played…”
A theory like that is completely incapable of being proved OR refuted. It requires hidden puppetmasters, the existence of which can neither be verified nor disproven.
Let’s just go with homegrown revolts by well-meaning, fed-up people. If history is any guide though, they will be swallowed up by a new charsmatic despot, or the local army, or by an external enemy. In any case, the original band of idealistic revolutionaries will become invisible. In fact, their leaders will be eliminated, especially if “democracy” ever crossed their lips.
Show me a rebellion in the last two hundred years where “the people in the street” who started it still hold sway.
Report thisBy jjohnjj, March 8, 2011 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment
Rather than engage in military aggression, the U.S. Navy could use its considerable surveillance resources to monitor Libyan airspace. All the action appears to be taking place along the coast, so…
Every time a Libyan warplane leaves the ground, its position, course and altitude could be relayed by phone, fax, text, tweet and radio broadcast to any and interested parties.
Warning the rebels of approaching aircraft could give them time to disperse and take cover. It might be all the edge they need.
Report thisBy rico, suave, March 8, 2011 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment
expat:
” if you have half a brain, leave.”
Great advice, expat!
Report thisBy brianrouth, March 8, 2011 at 1:49 pm Link to this comment
Foreign leaders work hard at putting a new puppet in place
Report thishttp://vimeo.com/20715539
By fearnotruth, March 8, 2011 at 12:31 pm Link to this comment
RE: I think it’s pretty ironic that you support the authority of Gates and Mullen here against
the reports of two defecting pilots, the Libyan freedom fighters and media at the scene. I didn’t
know you were shilling for the Pentagon now.
rico, old chap, thanks for posting some answers - as for you opinion of my post… sorry if you
got the idea that I’m ‘supporting/ shilling’ - not at all, only pointing to contradictions, asking
questions - some analysts are suggesting Libya, along with the entire region, is in the throws of
an orchestrated blakanization and the ‘freedom fighters’, who are no doubt very sincere, are
being used, while public opinion is being played
to be perfectly clear - below is a link to analysis contrary to prevailing media analysis - it is not
my personal opinion
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23474
Report thisBy Blackspeare, March 8, 2011 at 11:58 am Link to this comment
World population needs to be culled. In the past disease, famine and devastating wars took care of that. With advances in medicine and farming famine and disease have been taken out of the question. Major wars have been, in modern times, far to limited and far to quick. All that’s left are civil wars——let the Libyans fight it out to the finish. If the protesters win, they’ll appreciate so much more than if they get help.
Report thisBy expat, March 8, 2011 at 10:56 am Link to this comment
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Tunisian oil is the sweetest oil in the world that needs the least refining…
Saudi oil is goop compared to it…
connect the dots…
gadhafi is slime… but we’re being played here.
But that’s fine, with another such invasion, what started all over the Arab world as democratic revolutions will quickly evolve into anti ameriKan movements. A real al qaida will come into being. Then there’s gonna be real problems, not just false flag ones.
ameriKa is toast.
Anyone still residing in these united states ought to have their head examined.
Travel a little bit, and you will quickly realize what a fourth world, unfree, mean spirited and filled with bigots nation the uSSa has become.
So go ahead, let the morons remain in their soon to be concentration camp (already partial), if you have half a brain, leave.
It’s not as hard as you think and actually it can be an incredible rebirth. Money the problem? What, you think you’re gonna repay your credit in US once having found a good life overseas? You’ll be but a spec in a defaulting nation. Isn’t it your turn to screw the banksters? Let me tell you, it’s orgasmic!
I am faithful to the ideals of the Constitution, but it’s ameriKa which abandoned these ideals, I left with my family in 03 and never regretted it. Great, almost free health care, almost free world class university for the kids, business opportunities aplenty, etc, etc…
Imagine you live in Germany in 1933 knowing all you know… would you stay? Explain to me how this is different.
Report thisBy rico, suave, March 8, 2011 at 10:52 am Link to this comment
Cyr is right, of course. Without the presence of oil in the Mideast, who would give a shit about those people.
The US should absolutely not get in volved, especially militarily.
The recent spike in oil prices has little to do with threats to Libyan supply. It’s all Wall Street speculation, irrespective of supply and demand.
We should leave Gaddafi alone to slaughter his people in peace, just like we should have done with Saddam and the Afghan Taliban.
Report thisBy David J. Cyr, March 8, 2011 at 9:15 am Link to this comment
Situational ethics: The popular vote sustainable fascist nations are acting together to remove a corrupt despot’s air advantage in Libya, while the global gangster syndicate’s capo is simultaneously providing an air advantage in Afghanistan to maintain a corrupt despot there.
The “ethical” determinant in both situations is the same: control of rapidly depleting fossil fuel resources.
Report thisBy rico, suave, March 8, 2011 at 8:03 am Link to this comment
fearno:
They’re French-built Mirages. They were “needed” for the same reason that any country “needs” an air force.
“did these attacks really happen - who says so…”
Oh, I don’t know, maybe a few hundred Libyans and dozens of reporters on the ground.
I think it’s pretty ironic that you support the authority of Gates and Mullen here against the reports of two defecting pilots, the Libyan freedom fighters and media at the scene. I didn’t know you were shilling for the Pentagon now.
Report thisBy fearnotruth, March 8, 2011 at 2:54 am Link to this comment
why not ask who made/sold those planes - why were they needed - did these
attacks really happen - who says so - are we being played?
lots out there says YES - Pentagon won’t even confirm
e.g. U.S. says no evidence of Libya air attacks on protesters
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By IBTimes Staff Reporter | March 1, 2011 8:51 PM EST
The top two U.S. defense officials have not confirmed if the Libyan government
has been firing on its own people from aircraft.
A reporter asked Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm.
Mike Mullen on Tuesday if they had independent confirmation or had evidence
that there had been air attacks on Libyans. The answer was no.
“We’ve seen the press reports, but have no confirmation of that,” Gates said at
press conference.
“That’s correct. We’ve seen no confirmation whatsoever,” Mullen said.
The responses come as U.S. military ships head to the Mediterranean Sea to
Report thissupport a humanitarian aid mission to the deliver aid to Northern Africa. Libyan
refugees are leaving to neighboring Egypt and Tunisia amid reports of armed
conflict between Libyan government forces and protesters.