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Florida Church Determined to Burn Qurans Despite Warnings

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An extremist Florida church says it will go ahead with plans to mark the ninth anniversary of 9/11 by setting copies of the Quran on fire, even though authorities have warned that such actions would endanger Americans fighting, serving and traveling abroad.

The White House said the event “puts our troops in harm’s way,” while the State Department called it “un-American.”

The Dove World Outreach Center is led by a man named Terry Jones, pictured, who wrote a book called “Islam Is of the Devil.” Jones’ raving can be witnessed in the video below.

There is currently a debate raging on his “International Burn a Koran Day” Facebook page—PZS

Washington Post:

[State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley] said U.S. diplomats had already reported small-scale demonstrations against the talk of Quran burning in several countries “where anxiety levels are building because of the publicity surrounding this proposed action. It does put the lives of ordinary Americans at risk, as well as diplomats, as well as soldiers,” he said.

The Christian minister who is organizing the Quran burning says he will go ahead despite the government’s concerns. Pastor Terry Jones of the Dove World Outreach Center, a small, evangelical Christian church in Gainesville with an anti-Islam philosophy, said he has gotten more than 100 death threats and has started wearing a pistol on his hip.

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By PatrickHenry, September 14, 2010 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

diamond,

Great synopsis on 9/11. 

The offical story is so flawed that it begs inspection.

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By diamond, September 14, 2010 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

Fearnotruth don’t worry about it. I’ve had this experience before: it’s from the conservative playbook. They ignore everything you say except if they locate a molehill that they can make into a mountain. You may notice ITW hasn’t made one sensible comment on the anthrax letters and Dick Cheney’s Cipro munching, on Larry Silverstein’s 9/11 bonanza, on the sinister and farcical goings on around building number 7, on the clear proof of insider trading and foreknowledge of the attacks on Wall Street, on the clear proof that all three buildings were blown up in controlled demolitions with thermite, on the fact that 1.3 million Iraqis have died for a crime they didn’t commit, on the fact that America has given Afghanistan a thirty year war for it’s own geopolitical purposes and framed them for a crime they didn’t commit. He ignores all that and puts no argument forward that refutes any of it (and how can he, it’s all true) but he locates one thing he CAN use as a tactic to try to discredit these truths and off he goes. It’s standard operating procedure. In effect he’s defending the Bush administration and the Prince of Darkness, Dick Cheney, and what is, so far, the two most depraved political crimes of the 21st century (9/11 and the anthrax letters) and I can’t say worse of anyone than that.

By the way ITW:
The quote that gave me this figure on Iran’s population is in ‘A Tragic Legacy’ by Glenn Greenwald: ‘Yet Iran is a country with a population ten times as large as Iraq’s…’ page 166. If you have a problem, take it up with Mr. Greenwald or his researcher. I made the claim in good faith which is more than I can say for many of your claims which are intentionally misleading.

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By fearnotruth, September 13, 2010 at 8:22 pm Link to this comment

RE: That makes you an apologist.

quite so, and on your behalf I would say that you no doubt believe everything you
write, even when you see a video of firefighters saying, “...stand clear, building’s
coming down,”  and call it a fraud - again ‘hyperbole.’ At least your not calling me
names… well, except for ‘apologist.’

again, agreed - I’m apologizing for you both - now kiss and make up

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By Inherit The Wind, September 13, 2010 at 7:28 pm Link to this comment

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RE: By Inherit The Wind, September 13 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment
I can’t get past his assertion that 74 million is ten times greater than 31 million…
Someone’s either arithmetically challenged or cooking numbers.

Rhetorical hyperbole - so what if the numbers are goofy, point taken, and in the
context of these blog exchanges, which so often degenerate into full blown mud-
slinging orgies of gratuitous ad hominem invective, the Honorable Wind’s focus
on Citizen Diamond’s exaggeration seems barely plausible as a point of
contention… probably some sort of apology is expected - 10 to 1 says, “not likely.”
Any takers?

************

You would never give such a pass to someone you disagreed with, someone who insisted that the evidence shows that these two 767s brought down the Twin Towers.  That makes you an apologist.

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By fearnotruth, September 13, 2010 at 5:10 pm Link to this comment

RE: By Inherit The Wind, September 13 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment
I can’t get past his assertion that 74 million is ten times greater than 31 million… 
Someone’s either arithmetically challenged or cooking numbers.

Rhetorical hyperbole - so what if the numbers are goofy, point taken, and in the
context of these blog exchanges, which so often degenerate into full blown mud-
slinging orgies of gratuitous ad hominem invective, the Honorable Wind’s focus
on Citizen Diamond’s exaggeration seems barely plausible as a point of
contention… probably some sort of apology is expected - 10 to 1 says, “not likely.”
Any takers?

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By Inherit The Wind, September 13, 2010 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment

I can’t get past his assertion that 74 million is ten times greater than 31 million…  Someone’s either arithmetically challenged or cooking numbers.

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By Sodium-Na, September 13, 2010 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

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Time to forget Preacher Jones.

And Diamond’s fantacies.

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AGREE with the first five words quoted above.

DISAGREE with the last three words quoted above.

I need not agree with everything Diamond or what anybody else writes,for that matter,but I will never ignore or consider eveything Diamond has written so far as “fantacies” or better using the original word,“FANTAZIAS”.

Yes,one can overlook the points of disagreement with Diamond,but at the same time can learn a great deal from the knowledgeable content of his posts.To prove the comment after the “but” I have just used,the following points are just the tip of the icebeg

* his quote from Arthur Herman’s article published in “Commentary Magazine” hits the target exactly in the center point.

* So is the quote he presented between quotations and I quote again for emphasis: “What are all those Arabs doing on our oil.” I am quite familiar with this garbage. It was even discussed openly two or three years ago on the internet.

* The meeting that Dick Cheney held with Big Oil TYCOONS was exposed by some honest journalists and Cheney adamantly refused to provide the press and rest of the media with their names is a well known event that took place just few weeks before the war against Iraq started.

I can go on and on to prove the point that one can disagree with specific comments made by Diamond,but it would be a mistake to ignore his posts wholesale and call all of what in them “fantacies”.

A thousand cheer for what Diamond wrote,even when I personally disagreed with some points,here and there,within the totality of his posts. Most of the time I do learn from them and they spur me to investigate further to check credibility. I practice the same procedure on the contents of other posts of interesr to me.

All the foregoing has been written in good faith,but never to put down what I quoted at the top of this post.

I will repeat my point of contention: it is a mistake to ignore reading Diamond’s posts and describe everything he writes as “fantacies”.

Although I do not necessarily agree with everything written by Diamond,experiences in reading his posts had compelled me to conclude that he was(and is)one of the most knowledgeable posters around. And I look forward to read his posts in the future with interest.

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By fearnotruth, September 13, 2010 at 10:04 am Link to this comment

RE: Time to forget Preacher Jones.

agreed, and the Imam of the ground-zero mosque as well - those digging deeper
than Truthdig’s so-called investigative contributors are finding in both cases
strong evidence of orchestrated provocation - the goal, as usual, foment street
fighting over issues which distract from critique and solidified political action to
counter the overarching exploitative geopolitical agenda of our common enemy:
the global finance oligarchy

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By Inherit The Wind, September 13, 2010 at 4:11 am Link to this comment

Time to forget Preacher Jones.

And Diamond’s fantasies.

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By diamond, September 12, 2010 at 10:05 pm Link to this comment

Guatemala? Is that spelled ‘d-i-s-t-r-a-c-t-i-o-n’ ITW? What happened to ignoring me? Why don’t you comment on the facts re the anthrax letters or re the Wall Street giveaway of insider trading and the buying of put options only on the planes they knew would be involved in the 9/11 attacks in the days leading up to said attacks? Cat got your tongue? The puzzle is why you feel the need to defend the bastards who did 9/11 and put that anthrax in envelopes and mailed it to other American citizens. You must like them -or you approve of their behavior because clearly you’re on the neo cons’ side, even though you try to pretend you’re not. And why so touchy on the subject of Iran? Are you waiting with breathless anticipation for America to attack and don’t want such an insane venture to be made to seem like a death wish? Which is exactly what it is - for America, though not for Israel. Clearly you have a great interest in talking up America’s chances of ‘victory’ in such a fiasco. Iran, by the way, has signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty but America and Israel have not. But don’t worry you’re in good company: China and Pakistan haven’t signed it either.

I have a one track mind on 9/11 because 1.3 million (source: ‘The Lancet’ and Johns Hopkins University)Iraqis who had nothing to with it have died because of it and God knows how many in Afghanistan, who also had nothing to do with it. No one seems to know or care how many Afghan civilians have died. They just want to go on talking the same lying happy talk about Afghanistan that they talked about Iraq. If you had a normal capacity for moral outrage you would have a one track mind on the subject too but all you want to do is stonewall and pretend the truth is not the truth, whether it’s about 9/11 or the anthrax letters.

And have you heard that America has demanded that Iraq pay it war reparations of millions of dollars for Americans killed in Iraq? If it wasn’t so grotesque and sickening it would be funny. Invade, occupy, slaughter, steal their resources and then demand money with menaces. Orwell obviously underestimated just how unjust Big Brother would be.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 12, 2010 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment

Diamond,
Your one-track mind has led you to make absurd claims, like 74,000,000 is ten times greater than 31,000,000.  It leads you to take every thread to your obsession, so great that you don’t have one single thing to say about the disaster in Guatemala.  Nor do any of the so-called “progressives” here.

Think about it.

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By diamond, September 12, 2010 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment

Ignore away ITW. That’s what people do when the truth is threatening or unacceptable to them but the truth it is, whether you like it or not. The figures on Iran are from a book by Glenn Greenwald called ‘A Tragic Legacy’- I’ll let you guess which presidency he’s referring to - and I think he’s right and you’re wrong.

As to the anthrax:

Writing in The AmericanConservative, Christopher Ketchum summarized the situation in 2008, following the alleged suicide of Bruce Ivins, a researcher on anthrax vaccines at Fort Detrick, Maryland, this way: 

‘Seven years after the anthrax attacks shut down Congress, sowed panic nationwide, killed five, sickened 17, and allowed neo con propagandists to variously blame al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, the FBI claims to have gotten its man.’

Ivins had been pronounced the ‘lone’ perpertrator by the FBI. The sender of the anthrax letters. He was, they asserted, a murderer and probably a psychopath. Bruce Ivins worked for USAMRIID (U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases) as a scientist and a vaccines specialist. Colleagues at Fort Detrick repeatedly told the media that they did not see how Ivins would have had the knowledge or the skill to produce the weapons grade anthrax that was sent by mail to Democrat Senators Leahy and Daschle and journalists such as Tom Brokaw as well as The New York Post. Another confusing fact was that Ivins was a registered Democrat and had never been known to vote otherwise. Why would he target Democrat senators? Both Leahy and Daschle had been prepared to resist the passage of the Patriot Act and had publicly stated their opposition to its passage into law. 

Even more extraordinary is the story of the laboratories in Ames, Iowa.  Ketchum reveals that the Ames database ‘maintained and overseen by Iowa State University, was a comprehensive culture collection of some 100 vials gathered since 1928. It listed all parties, agencies and labs that acquired its anthrax strains’. The university became afraid that terrorists would gain access to the laboratory and offered to destroy its anthrax cultures. The FBI agreed. By doing this they effectively wiped out all evidence of anyone who had gained access in order to create the weaponized anthrax used in the anthrax letters. Francis Boyle, professor of law at the University of Illinois who drafted the 1989 Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act for President George H.W. Bush reacted to this by saying that it was, ‘An astonishing thing to do. It should have been preserved as evidence.’ But it was not and the FBI, it seemed, was completely uninterested.

Ivins was, in fact, one of the scientists given the job of analyzing the anthrax sent in the letters.  Dr. Gerry Andrews, a microbiologist, wrote in the New York Times that when Ivins’ team looked at the powder they found that it was ‘startlingly refined weapons-grade anthrax spore preparations, the likes of which had never been seen before by the personnel at Fort Detrick’. So, whodunnit? Ketchum writes that Francis Boyle suggests in his book, ‘Biowarfare and Terrorism’, that if the FBI had pursued a proper investigation the evidence would have ‘led directly back to a secret but officially sponsored U.S. government biowarfare program that was illegal and criminal, in violation of (the) biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989.’ Ketchum adds that the New York Times made a similar claim on September 4th 2001. Namely that:

‘The United States has embarked on a program of secret research on biological weapons that, some officials say, tests the limits of the global treaty banning such weapons…earlier this year, administration officials said, the Pentagon drew up plans to engineer genetically a potentially more potent variant of the bacterium that causes anthrax.’

I think the evidence is irrefutable in spite of your getting the vapors like some southern belle over the truth.

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By fearnotruth, September 12, 2010 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

RE: ...anthrax to senators…

weapons-grade anthrax, in fine powdery form - not ‘bathtub gin’

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U.S. Scientists Deplore Army’s Silence on Anthrax Program
Rick Weiss Washington Post Service
Saturday, December 15, 2001

William Patrick, who led the army’s offensive biological weapons program at
Fort Detrick until the program ended in 1969, said Thursday that it was he who
taught Dugway scientists how to dry deadly bacteria into a fine powdery form in
1998. Until then, he said, Dugway had no means of converting wet batches of
the anthrax bacterium, Bacillus anthracis, into the dry powder needed to test
new defensive technologies, such as systems that can detect the invisible
spores in the air.

Mr. Patrick said he taught the method using a harmless species of bacterium
related to B. anthracis called B. globigii, after making “a few grams” of the
material. He said he believes the technique he gave to Dugway “is probably
what they’re now applying to the ‘hot stuff.’”

But he said he thinks that his technique is not capable of making a product of
the quality found in the Daschle and Leahy letters. “It was plenty good, but not
as good as that,” he said. Then again, he said, “maybe they’ve gone on to
something better.”

Compete article here
http://web.archive.org/web/20011217201704/www.iht.com/articles/41998.htm

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Published on Sunday, December 16, 2001 in the Washington Post
Capitol Hill Anthrax Matches Army’s Stocks
5 Labs Can Trace Spores to Ft. Detrick
by Rick Weiss and Susan Schmidt

Genetic fingerprinting studies indicate that the anthrax spores mailed to Capitol
Hill are identical to stocks of the deadly bacteria maintained by the U.S. Army
since 1980, according to scientists familiar with the most recent tests.

Although many laboratories possess the Ames strain of anthrax involved in this
fall’s bioterrorist attacks, only five laboratories so far have been found to have
spores with perfect genetic matches to those in the Senate letters, the scientists
said. And all those labs can trace back their samples to a single U.S. military
source: the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Disease
(USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Md.

complete article here - no longer posted at Washingto Post
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1216-03.htm

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By Inherit The Wind, September 12, 2010 at 6:14 am Link to this comment

Diamond, you’ve lost ALL connection with reality. You cannot even do simple math anymore:

But even idiots like them should keep in mind that Iran is five times the size of Iraq and has ten times the population.

According to Wikipedia, Iraq has a population of just over 31 million people.  “ten times the population” implies Iran has 310,000,000, but IN FACT has 74 million, which is less than 1/4 of what you claim. In fact Iran has about 2.4 times the population of Iraq.

It’s that kind of absurd exaggerations that you constantly make that makes me discount and discredit and doubt EVERYTHING you post and every interpretation you present.

Now you have the CIA sending anthrax to senators.  Another one of your crackpot unsupported conspiracy fantasies.  Were they working with ET to do it?

I think I’m just going to ignore your nonsense from now on.

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By diamond, September 12, 2010 at 12:41 am Link to this comment

Now come on ITW, I know you’re not stupid and you can see perfectly well that what I’m saying has everything to do with this thread. The demonisation of the world’s Muslims started on 9/11 and continues to this day. Nemesis wouldn’t dare describe Jews as smelly goatherders but he dares to call Muslims that because the 9/11 lie gives him absolution. Jones thought he could burn the Korans because it’s been open season on Muslims ever since the neo cons carried out their new Pearl Harbour in 2001. And as for motive: when did greedy, crazy, amoral warmongers lusting after the world’s oil ever need a motive any normal, rational person could understand for their dirty deeds? And don’t kid yourself the neo con’s agenda is anywhere near over: this was written in 2006 in ‘Commentary’ a conservative journal by Arthur Herman, a history professor at George Mason University in an article called ‘Getting Serious About Iran-A Military Option’.

The so called military option turns out to be a plan for America to get complete control of Iran’s oil:

‘The scenario would not end there. With the systematic reduction of Iran’s capacity to respond, an amphibious force of marines and special operations forces could seize key Iranian oil assets in the Gulf, the most important of which is a series of 100 offshore well and platforms built on Iran’s continental shelf.

North and South Pars offshore fields, which represent the future of Iran’s oil and natural gas industry, could also be seized, while Kargh Island at the far western edge of the Persian Gulf, whose terminus pumps the oil from Iran’s most mature and copiously producing fields (Ahwaz, Marun, and Gachsaran, among others) could be rendered virtually useless. By the time the campaign was over, the United States military would be in a position to control the flow of Iranian oil at the flick of a switch.’

You may have heard the saying, ‘What are all these Arabs doing on our oil?’ Well, this is the saying in action. The fact is, Cheney was already planning to replace Saddam Hussein in January 2001 and was already poring over Iraq’s oil maps at a meeting held in Walnut, California in that month, as witnesses at that meeting told the journalist Greg Palast. And even if you can dismiss the damming facts I’ve mentioned about 9/11 (and you can’t) you can’t deny that the CIA sent anthrax from one of its bio-warfare labs in envelopes to US Democrat Senators (on the 12th October 2001) who were reluctant to vote for the Patriot Act, while also further driving the impetus to invade Iraq by blaming Saddam Hussein. Cheney began eating Cipro tablets (a treatment for anthrax) on the evening of 9/11.

And you think these people would shrink from flying planes into buildings? They are capable of anything. Anything evil, that is. Doing good’s a whole other story. But even idiots like them should keep in mind that Iran is five times the size of Iraq and has ten times the population. Any war or invasion would be bloody, protracted and ruinously expensive: it would be Iraq on steroids and the American empire wouldn’t survive it. The Republican/neo con/ Tea Party’s present political plan is to tear America apart with anti-Muslim stunts and racist lunacy, such as the Obama is a Muslim illegal immigrant garbage, because they believe that only by creating chaos can they re-take government, and they’re probably right about that.

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By fearnotruth, September 11, 2010 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment

...the whole idea that a plane NEEDED to be shot down or that a decision had
to be made is false.

all the more damning to the 911 Commission Report - the official cover up, the
very text of which is burgeoning with specious content

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By Inherit The Wind, September 11, 2010 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

Diamond:

You just can’t come to terms with the idea that your conspiracy notions have NOTHING to do with this thread.  You can’t get out of the starting gate with this whole thing either.  No matter HOW you twist it, there’s no motive for Israel or even Bush to get us into it.

Now I detest George W. Bush and think he was the worst President we’ve ever had, including Nixon, Reagan, Grant, Buchanan and even Tyler.  But I do NOT believe that he would (or could) engineer an attack on his own country like 9/11.  As evil as the people he surrounded himself with, they simply didn’t ever display the competence to do this.  Why destroy the WTC, with all signs pointing to Afghanistan as the source, and then make up a ton of bullshit so we could go into Iraq, WHICH THEY WERE PLANNING IN DECEMBER OF 2000!

Even for your short-circuiting logic, it just doesn’t make any sense for any US or Israeli agency to do this.  None, unless you fundamentally believe ALL Jews want to do nothing but “evil” in the world.

Every time someone says look at a video and I do, and I see NOTHING but holes in it, they try to convince me I didn’t see what I saw.

“Who you gonna believe, me or your own eyes?”—Chico Marx.

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By diamond, September 11, 2010 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

Her hair wasn’t blowing ITW? What the? She was inside a skyscraper at the time and I know they’re air conditioned but not to the extent that her hair would be blowing in the wind, to quote Bob Dylan. And you don’t appear to know that this same story wasn’t only run half an hour too soon by the BBC but by at least six other TV channels in both America and London, chiefly, however, in Washington and chiefly on Fox. And BBC 24 ran the story half an hour early with a time code conveniently at the bottom of the video which PROVES it was run half an hour early. Furthermore the firemen and other workers were taken out of building number 7 SIX HOURS before the building came down even though there was no reason to remove them. On top of that Larry Silverstein went on morning TV and told a startled nation that yes, building number seven had been blown up. It was blown up, he claimed, because the NY Fire Chief told him that it was a danger to the public. A danger to the public! In what universe do demolition experts go back into what is considered a war zone hours after an attack to demolish buildings? And the story is bullshit anyway, because it takes weeks to plant explosives in a building like that and bring it down safely into its footprint, and it couldn’t possibly be done in a couple of hours. This leads to only one conclusion: the explosives were already in that building long before 9/11. The same way they were in the Twin Towers long before 9/11.

You know who Larry is, don’t you? Larry bought the entire WTC (he already owned building number 7) six weeks before 9/11 for $100 million and he made sure there was a clause in his insurance agreement against terrorist attack for $3.05 billion. But Larry wasn’t satisfied with that: after 9/11 he took the insurance company to court and claimed it was two attacks and this netted him $8.05 billion dollars. The judge who gave him this payout was Michael Mukasey who co-wrote the Patriot Act. Larry also had a clause in the insurance document that only he could rebuild the WTC. He is, after all, one of the richest property developers in America and possibly the world so 9/11 was a bonanza for him - as it was for lots of other people. The insider trading ($15 billion worth) that went on on Wall St on 9/11 is notorious and well documented but some of those with foreknowledge of the attacks were so spooked after the attacks that they never collected their money. And then there are the put options in the days leading up to the attacks that were only bought on the airlines that would be adversely affected by the attacks and on other businesses such as re-insurance companies which would also see their shares fall in value.

In the days leading up to 9/11 there was a huge spike in put options (which is essentially a bet that a share will fall in value) involving the two airlines involved in the hijackings, American Airlines and United Airlines, and also reinsurance companies and financial services companies that would stand to lose stock value after the 9/11 attacks when the stock market opened again. The spikes in put options purchased occurred on days when there was no known event that would have made this happen.

On September 6-7 when there was no significant news or stock price movement involving United, the Chicago exchange handled 4,744 put options for UAL stock, compared with just 396 call options, which are essentially bets that the stock will rise. On September 10, an uneventful day for American (Airlines), the volume was 748 calls and 4,516 puts based on a check of option trading records. The Bloomberg News reported that put options rose to an incredible high of 285 times their average.

Obviously there were a lot of people in the financial/military elite who knew exactly what was going to happen. To me, it’s all fishy as hell. But then, I’ve got a suspicious mind.

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By Sodium-Na, September 11, 2010 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

Hey noisy nemesis,

This is the last advice you are going to hear from this oldman to whom you have already lost everything,including your trailer,without this oldman moved out of his house except to take his daily walk per physicians instructions. You lost,noisy one,you lost.Period. 


You really have a talent of HATRED and BIGOTRY,noisy one. Your “lovely” talent will be most welcome at a website called Jihadwatch.com.

You will do very well there. The site and the people who post there are full of crap,
hatred and bigotry,just like your RETARDED MIND. Join them. Why waste your time here,at TD,around a bunch of fearmongering “stupid?” guys who do not appreciate reading your craps!!?

Over there the sky is the limit for hating Islam an Muslims. You will love it and love the company.

Grow up,boy,grow up…..

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By nemesis2010, September 11, 2010 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

THE STUPID

Trying to compare the intended quran burning by a very small group of Crister fundamentalists to the organized, state approved, and nation-wide literary and cultural purging by the German students association in 1930s Nazi Germany is the height of absurdity and needless fear-mongering by those who cower and run up the white flag of surrender at the slightest hint that the “Muslim world” might be offended by the criticisms of some in the once free world.

The säuberung (cleansing/purging) was a nation-wide campaign to keep Germany pure and free of non-German influence. The initial campaign lasted several days and over 25,000 books were destroyed.

The quran burning was to be a respondent by fundamentalist Cristers pushing back against what they feel is Muslim indifference to the “sensitivities” of those opposed to a Social Center/Mosque located so close to what is called Ground Zero—the site of the worse attack on American soil by an enemy, all of whom, ironically, were Islamists.

The quran burning is no more than an expression of free speech—no different than burning a flag or hanging a politician in effigy—and is limited to a single book of mythology which, like the Bible, Torah, and any other number of so-called holy books, there are several million other copies around the world and which, because of today’s technology, can be easily reproduced. In other words; there’s no way in hell that 50 Cristers can destroy the quran or erase the book from existence. To compare a symbolic act by a few tens of Crister fundamentalists to a nation-wide campaign of literary and cultural purging indicates that those attempting to do so suffer a really bad case of the Stupid as well as a warped sense of proportion.

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By nemesis2010, September 11, 2010 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, September 11 at 10:24 am

” OTOH, we have Nemesis spewing hate for ALL Muslims, totally falsifying the Islamic Center two blocks away from Ground Zero, while knocking down the crackpot 9/11 conspiracy buffs.”


Why don’t put together a compendium of remarks by me that you feel spew hate for all Muslims whiny boy.

And please tell us how I have totally falsified the Islamic Center/Mosque.

Below is an example of hate and it comes as no surprise that it is directed to me and from a practitioner of the religion of peace:

By Arabian Sinbad, September 10 at 11:45 pm

”Your ugly soul and body must be twisting with pain now that you see your bigoted hero, bastard Terry Johns, defeated and frustrated in his evil plan by the enlightened world opinion.
Keep spewing your venomous hate till you hopefully are consumed by it and drop dead! The world would be a little more peaceful without sick bigots like you!”


All that because I dare hold to the position that the crazy Crister and his congregation have the right to free speech and can burn a few qurans if they so desire—much in the same way Islamists have burned bibles and crosses.

The good news for my venomous little Islamist friend is that I am dying. And soon! Unfortunately for him… it isn’t due to exposing the hypocrisy of adherents of all faiths.

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By diamond, September 11 at 4:19 am

”How do I know he’s a Nazi? Well, Nemesis If it squawks like a Nazi and talks like a Nazi it’s a Nazi. His and your remarks on Muslims would not look out of place in one of Hitler’s propaganda pieces on Jews. Sodium-na has well and truly owned you, so hurry off to your Nazi party meeting so you can sharpen up your racism and hatred until it shines like, yes, a diamond”


Okay, here’s what you need to do, collect the remarks that you feel indicate that I’m a Nazi and those that you think indicate that the crazy preacher is a Nazi and place them in a single post with an explanation as to why—in your opinion—those remarks are the remarks of a Nazi. Can you do that or are you just throwing crap against the wall hoping to evade the truth?

By diamond, September 11 at 4:19 am

” You’re the one who needs to take a trip to the Middle East but you won’t, because to go on hating the way you do, it’s absolutely essential that you never mingle with those you hate. You might meet someone you like and just think what a catastrophe that would be for your bigotry and ignorance.”


I’ve been to the Middle East. I used to work there many years ago as a much younger man. I was there before the big explosion of foreign workers. Would you like me to tell you a story about a sack, a woman, a pole, and a small pile of rocks?

As for the “hate” that I’m supposedly espousing, you need to do the same thing as with the remarks that indicate I’m a Nazi. Copy them and put them in a single post with an explanation as to why the remarks—in your opinion—are espousing hate.

With respect to the 9/11 conspiracy theory bullshit: If there was any real evidence there would be ongoing suits and many people fleeing to other countries or doing serious jail time.

The biggest hole in your wet dream is that you would have me believe that a government that cannot keep sensitive documents from being leaked to Wikileaks, or that cannot conceal the No Gun Ri incident, My Lai, Abu Ghraib, the Niger uranium forgeries, and a host of other blunders can, without a hitch or a single whistle blower coming forth in 9 years, pulled off the 9/11 attacks.

To believe all that you have to ignore the other attempts on the twin towers as well as the FACT that the civilized world has been suffering Islamist terrorism since at least the early 1970s!

The biggest problem that I have is motive. Why in the hell would the government chance such a scheme in the first place? I know just how inept, incompetent, and down right stupid the Bush administration was, but I don’t think he and his cohorts so stupid that they’d chance such a scheme in order to prove themselves—before the entire world—the most incompetent, inept, corrupt, and bumbling bunch of fucking idiots to run a nation off a cliff in human history. Next you’re going to tell me that Obama was sincere with all that rhetoric about change and hope!

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By Sodium-Na, September 11 at 2:02 am

” Hey noisy nemesis”

Hey Shanana… How ya doing? Sorry to hear that you’re not well. Neither am I. But I’ve had a fairly decent life after all is said and done. At least I wasn’t born in the Middle East.

No, I’m not a ”a troll who is paid to do the dirty rant for somebody else.”  When you attempt to malign me in that fashion you are actually complimenting me by insinuating that you believe that my ability to articulate an argument is financially compensationable.

I did notice that you only mentioned Jordan though. Not exactly a fundamentalist stronghold, is it? I’m impressed that you’re fluent in Arabic. Good for you! When I was in grade school we could all speak a little pig Latin. 

Do you see how you’re all upset and whiny about what I’ve said? I—we—feel the same way when people talk trash about our way of life and country. Do you see how it’s a two-way street? The difference of course is that when Islamists talk trash about us we’re supposed to sit here and take it and try to be sensitive to Islamists’ feelings. When we do dare to speak the truth about Islamic countries we watch the evening news and are left wondering just what the hell does an Islamist means when he says peace.

Shanana… there’s a thing called statistics today in the 21st century. And we can look at all those stats and have a damn good idea what the hell is going on in the world. By those stats one can live here in the U.S. and know what a hell hole another place is in comparison. (Have you seen any Newsweek magazines lately?) Another dead giveaway to how great a nation this is, are all the tens of thousands that want to leave their homeland and come here. One doesn’t leave paradise to go live in the land of the Great Satan, wouldn’t you agree? In America, Shanana, a husband doesn’t get a new bride after he lopes the ear lobes and nose off his old one. He goes to prison for a very long time. And when a woman is raped she’s not considered to be the perpetrator… the rapists is.

I’m not a bigot. What you see… is an individual that is not a fundamentalist of any stripe. I don’t believe in fairy tales… whether they are religious fairy tales or political ideological fairy tales. It doesn’t matter… they all get filed with the tooth fairy stuff. That includes miracles also.

I noticed that you didn’t respond to the part that really mattered. You know… trying to compare that little church’s attempt at free speech to the student association’s literary and cultural purges of Nazi Germany.

Tell us something Shanana… why do you suppose not one of the world leaders who decried the intended burning of qurans by that little church didn’t decry the overreaction by Muslims to that event that hadn’t even taken place? Why is it that the world can’t ask: WTF is the matter with you people?  Why do you suppose the intended burning of a few books evokes outrage and yet the threats to kill human beings over the burning of those books doesn’t rate so much as sigh?

And as for you and Anyone there’s opinion of the quran, it’s just that… subjective opinion. There are MILLIONS who don’t agree with you. I personally think all so-called holy books are nothing more than pieces of literature that should be in museums as exhibits of the earliest attempts by clueless Homo sapiens to explain existence.

Burning a book for which there are millions of hard and electrical copies is anything but immoral. You people have lost your frickin minds with this bullshit. Immoral is flying planes into buildings. Immoral is strapping a bomb on a retarded person and sending him into a pizza parlor. Immoral is loping the nose and ear lobes off of your wife.

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By Robert, September 11, 2010 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

By PatrickHenry, September 10 at 10:25 am

Robert, go figure.  Where is the media in this?

I’m glad someone is commenting on it.

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PH, just imagine if it were Moslem/Arab youths instead of Israeli/Jewish youths who were burning the New Testament / Bible this week ... You & many others know what the zionist controlled media would do with that headline!

It will be on non-stop 24 hours a day…and much more.

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By Robert, September 11, 2010 at 10:44 am Link to this comment

Top Stories More Important than Quran-Burning Nut Job

By Juan Cole

September 10, 2010 “Information Clearing House”—

The horrible era of anti-Muslim bigotry in the United States yielded a one-day silly season on Thursday, covered wall-to-wall by the US cable news channels. The weird cultist Terry Jones, fired from his church in Cologne, Germany last year for abusing his congregants, preaching hate-filled sermons, and demanding absolute obedience, was favored by an unprecedented telephone call from Secretary of Defense Robert Gates asking him not to burn the Quran, the Muslim scripture, on Saturday. Jones, who can’t seem to get even 50 people to follow him in Gainesville and is a nobody with a nasty stunt, is nevertheless getting millions of dollars worth of free advertising for his lunacy courtesy Time Warner, Newscorp, etc. If there were any responsible adults left in the producers offices of the major television news shows, they would have long since pulled the plug on this non-story. Then Imam Mohammad Musri of central Florida came out and announced that he and Jones would be flying to New York to see Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf on Saturday. Jones seemed to be under the impression that he was in a position, by calling off the Quran-burning, to force Abdul Rauf to move his proposed inter-faith community center. Then Abdul Rauf came out and said he’d had no contact with Musri or Jones and though he was glad the book-burning had been called off, he wasn’t going to have the issue toyed with. Jones replied that he had been lied to and was only suspending the Quran burning and reserved the right to go ahead with it.

Abdul Rauf didn’t want to come out and say it, but I will. Terry Jones is deploying the tactics of terrorism without actually harming anyone, a sort of psy-ops terrorism. He is attempting to coerce people by threatening symbolic violence. And that is the answer to the mystery of why anyone is paying attention to him, including the Secretary of Defense. He has them over the barrel because he is prepared to shout “fire!” in a crowded theater. Everyone knows that his book-burning would have been filmed, and the video would have been played over and over again by Muslim radicals. Hate speech and incitement to violence on Jones’s web site led his internet service provided to yank his site on Thursday.

One nut case attracts another, so now a Topeka “pastor,” Fred Phelps, says he may take up Jones’s slack. Phelps’s group, which is lower than toilet sludge, has ruined military funerals for slain GIs by picketing them.”

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Click on link for the rest:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26338.htm

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By Sodium-Na, September 11, 2010 at 6:53 am Link to this comment

Re: Anyone there,September 8 at 3:30 am.

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Aside from the fact that this particular book ia a masterpiece of world literature,it is immoral to burn any book.

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Anyone there?,

Thank you for your comment quoted above.

Your comment quoted above has expressed eloquently what is involved here with the bigoted haters of Islam and Muslims. Reasons:

(1) Your comment certainly adheres firmly to the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States when you stated,“it is immoral to burn any book.” That means whether the “any book” is good or bad or ugly. Hence,the indivisual and collective rights of a group of people is fully protected in line with the First Amendment to go ahead and burn books at the expense of those who believe in what written and expressed in those books. Thus,the word,“immoral” which you intelligently used fits the occasion,indeed. 

(2) What the ignorant moron in Florida wants to do is in total violation of the First Amendment: he gives himself the right for free speech and free expression but DENIES God,(if you are a believer)the right to express Himself/Herself,or DENIES Muhammad(if you believe he wrote the Qura’n,and not a word of God),the right of expression,as written in the Qur’an. The bigots and haters of Islam and Muslims are experts in DOUBLE TALK,ARROGANCE AND RUDENESS,meaning: what is mine is mine and what is yours is also mine!! Amusing,is not it?

(3) If the fool in Florida is fluent in classical Arabic language the way I am,he would have ended up protecting the Qur’an by placing it in an un-destructable safe instead of burning it,because it is,indeed,a TREASURE as a world class of literature,if not the word of God.

(4) No one,and repeat no one,can totally and even possibly appreciate the beautiful Arabic language of the Qur’an,unless one is not only fluent in the classical Arabic language,but also fluent in its poetry,prose and related literatures,in order to be able to reach the conclusion I have reached a few years ago,which was that the Arabic language of the Qur’an is NOT Arabic poetry,NOR is it Arabic prose,but is something else that is difficult to describe-perhaps,just perhaps the word that fits the occasion is “divine”,since I personally consider the Constitution of the U.S.as a “divinely” written document. Therefore,I can understand why all Muslims everywhere,1.5 billion of them world wide,have revered the Qur’an as the word of God.
The major problem in the Islamic world is in the interpretation of some verses of the Qura’n. That is why there are so many schools of thought in the interpretation of the verses of the Qur’an.

(5) Both Moses and Jesus had made miracles,as the Old and New Testaments tell me:(a) Moses,as spelled out in the Old Testament,had changed his old and rather long cane to a serpent and back to a cane and of course he forced a part of the Red Sea to split wide open so that his people could walk on the land of its bottom and to safety from slaughter by the Egyptian army. But most importantly he brought from God the Ten Commandments to his people,the Hebrew of old,and indeed,to the rest of humanity. (b) Jesus,as inscribed in the New Testament,had healed the blind and the hopelessly sick and above all he had pulled Lazarus from the teeth of death. (c) Muhammad’s had performed no miracles like the ones performed by Moses and Jesus. Whether it is the word of God or not,Muhammad’s miracle was and will remain the wonderful marvels,jewels and wisdoms in the Qura’n.

Anyone there?-Thank you again for your eloquent and sound and constructive comment quoted above. Much appreciated.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 11, 2010 at 6:24 am Link to this comment

So, on the one hand we have Diamond, calling Terry Jones a “nazi” (and I’m inclined to agree) but still not understanding that WHO was behind 9/11 is irrelevant—even if it was who “islamists”, they make up a tiny 1000th of 1 percent (.001 %) of the Muslim world, but Asshole Jones is attacking the other 99.999% of Muslims as well.
(BTW, a friend of mine SAW the second plane hit directly over his head and ran for is life—he SAW a commercial jet.)

OTOH, we have Nemesis spewing hate for ALL Muslims, totally falsifying the Islamic Center two blocks away from Ground Zero, while knocking down the crackpot 9/11 conspiracy buffs.

In the middle you have me, who thinks Terry Jones is a dangerous, bigoted lunatic, given far too much press, that the reaction from much of the Muslim world has been vicious and inappropriately aimed at the WHOLE USA, not just Jones and his defenders (The President of Indonesia DEMANDED that Obama prevent the book-burning, not understanding our Freedom of Speech rights), with the wish that the Press would say Jones is “yesterday’s news”.

I saw that video on Building 7 and it was laughable.  I really liked how they were saying that 7 was still standing while the reporter was saying it was down, never figuring out that her hair wasn’t blowing, there were no outside noises, that she was IN FRONT OF A BLUE SCREEN VIDEO that they were re-running, which was why Building 7 appeared to be still standing.  Never heard of “video”????? 

That kind of “evidence” is all I’ve ever seen from the “it must be the Jews, Arab Muslim Islamists would NEVER attack us, but the nation that relies on us most, would” crowd is this kind of stupid, puffed-up wishful-thinking evidence that convinces nobody but each other in a circle-jerk.

Even “Creationism” is capable of convincing far more of the weak-minded than the “Mossad/CIA” conspiracy nuts.

Today’s a good day to remember that lots of good people, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Hindus and Buddhists died 8 years ago by an unprovoked and unjustified attack.  Lots of good men and women of the NYFD and NYPD died trying to save them, and lots of good construction workers risked their lives and health to help as well.

Everyone I know either knew someone who died, or knows someone who lost a friend or relative that day, here in the New York, New Jersey, Connecticut metro area. I’m 25 miles from Ground Zero.

I’m sorry our idiot-boy President froze stone cold like a deer in the headlights and did EVERYTHING wrong in the minutes and hours following the attack, as did all his advisers, and then immediately started issuing a string of lies.  That’s what we get for electing and supporting macho-posing idiots.

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By diamond, September 11, 2010 at 12:19 am Link to this comment

How do I know he’s a Nazi? Well, Nemesis If it squawks like a Nazi and talks like a Nazi it’s a Nazi. His and your remarks on Muslims would not look out of place in one of Hitler’s propaganda pieces on Jews. Sodium-na has well and truly owned you, so hurry off to your Nazi party meeting so you can sharpen up your racism and hatred until it shines like, yes, a diamond.

You’re the one who needs to take a trip to the Middle East but you won’t, because to go on hating
the way you do, it’s absolutely essential that you never mingle with those you hate. You might meet someone you like and just think what a catastrophe that would be for your bigotry and ignorance. 

fearnotruth, the whole idea that a plane NEEDED to be shot down or that a decision had to be made is false. The Pentagon is surrounded by several batteries of anti-aircraft missiles which are programmed to shoot down any aircraft in Pentagon airspace which doesn’t have a military transponder on board. No commercial jetliner has a military transponder on board, and since the missiles are controlled by computer it makes it extremely difficult to understand why the so-called plane wasn’t shot down. The main damage to the Pentagon occurred to the auditing department and Donald Rumsfeld had announced on CNN the day before (September 10, 2001) that 2.3 trillion dollars was missing from the Pentagon. Who was killed by the attack on the Pentagon? Well, mostly the auditors, of course. The same auditors who were looking for the missing trillions. Most of them were wiped out, along with all the records that would have shown were the money went. April Gallop, a Pentagon auditor with a top level clearance, survived and she testified under oath that a bomb went off the morning of 9/11 at the same time that she pressed the ‘on’ button on her computer, long before the alleged plane is supposed to have hit the Pentagon. She said she smelled cordite (explosives) but never smelled jet fuel either inside the Pentagon or later when she went out on to the Pentagon lawn. She also saw no evidence that a plane had ever been there: no wreckage, no bodies, no luggage, no nothing. A CNN journalist reporting from the Pentagon lawn on 9/11 said exactly the same thing.

You should also consider the fact that Richard Clarke testified to the 9/11 Commission that he had an order from Bush by 8.50 am on the morning of 9/11 to shoot Flight 93 down.  On and on it goes. The entire story of 9/11 is a tissue of lies from beginning to end and only the intellectually challenged, such as Jones, still accept it unquestioningly. One poll in America found that 73% of those polled believed 9/11 was an inside job. Do they all wear tinfoil hats? Have they all not taken their meds? And did Mark Bernbach, Fox journalist, have an hallucination when he reported this to the Fox News desk on 9/11 after watching one of the planes fly over his head:

‘It was definitely not a commercial plane. It had a blue logo on it. I couldn’t see any windows on the sides’.

Or could it be that he was just telling the unvarnished and unreconstructed truth? I think clearly the latter is the case because Bernbach had absolutely no reason to make it up. And neither did the hundreds of people who saw the same thing.

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By Sodium-Na, September 10, 2010 at 10:02 pm Link to this comment

Re:nemesis2010,August 10 at 3:10 pm.


nemesis wrote,among many other craps of his,the following two paragraphs,addressed to me:

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If you want to prove to us how tolerant and peaceful Islamists are then please accept the offer of an all expense paid trip to the Middle East that I made to Diamond.I will gladly pay if you meet the stipulation.

We both know that not a single one of you will accept the offer because you know that you will be missing your head or ripped to shreds by your new BFF.

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Hey noisy nemesis,

What do you mean by the word “us”,quoted above?

If you are a troll who is paid to do the dirty rant for somebody else like you,you should have the guts of saying so. Otherwise,speak for youself only,since the vast majority who has already posted on this thread do not share your bigoted views.

That is just for as starter.I can continue in this line of negative talk like your “shithole” talk,if I want to.After second thought,I realize that if I do,I will end up as lowly as you are in loudness,repulsiveness,rudeness and unreal arrogance.If that is the way I feel,the following question is legitimate to raise: Why I am responding then to your nonsensical verbage/garbage?

It is not my intent to respond,as much as a desire to offer you,as a fellow human being who obviously has more deficiencies than normal,some advice from an oldman.If you have a touch of wisdom,you take them and run and try to be a good boy!:

* Never offer what you have offered me as I quoted you in the above quote because you really do not have the slightest idea what I can and cannot do. To ignore this “Never” is simply foolish.

* Listen to this one: On behalf of a multi-nationals American corporation,I ran a complex technical business operations for the ENTIRE Middle East,for more than 20 years. I was stationed in Amman,Jordan along with the central offices for the corporation in Amman.  Therefore,I am quite qualified to REJECT and CONDEMN your description of all those Islamic countries as “shitholes”. They are “shitholes” only in a mind that is itself a “shithole”. Therefore my second advice to you to refrain from “shitholing” every country you know very little about. It is not good for your health!!

* Listen to this one also: I am extremely fluent in the classical Arabic language and its literatures,novels,poetry and prose.Although I was born and raised like my mother and father who were devotees of the Greek Orthodox Church,I ended up an agnostic,especially after I studied Islam,out of curiosity,for more than four years. As you may see,I have what it takes to travel in the Middle East and I could have accepted your offer,if it was not for poor health(serious heart ailment)I am suffering and have to put up with in daily basis,just to make sure you lose and perhaps learn a lesson.

* And listen to this SHOCKER: I can recite the beautiful verses and surah of the Qura’n in a way which will compel the “Islamists” to think a million time before they even dare to consider chopping my head off.They will be mesmerized from the shock,as I begin chanting them. The Qura’nic verses/surah are unique in their beauty and distinctly enchanting.The “Islamists” will love them;and by extention will love me too.
Once more you will lose and lose badly. Hence,you should always remember the “Never” in the first advice I have adviced you,free of charge!!

Under such unfavorable circumstances,your loss would be too great to a point that you have to sell your trailer,just to meet PART of the expenses and the result of your unwise gamble is certain destitution for yourself,your son and your sister who live with you in the trailer.

You should thank your god or your devil for the fact that I am in poor health that has prevented me from saying “yes,I accept” to your unwise and dumb down offer.

In a sense,it is amusing that you made your foolish offer to me!!

Have a nice new day,my boy!!

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By fearnotruth, September 10, 2010 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment

RE: There is no evidence!

wrong! There’s plenty of evidence in the cover up itself, details here: http://conspireality.tv/2008/09/12/norman-mineta’s-testimony-suggests-911-was-an-inside-job/

excerpt here:

Norman Mineta’s testimony contradicts the Government’s official narrative and the 9/11 Commission Report by revealing the fact that Cheney knew about the aircraft approaching the Pentagon, long before the impact. This testimony was broadcast on C-Span. Anyone is able to watch this video on the internet to confirm that these were in fact his exact words and watch him give this damaging testimony. The entire testimony is also available online though the 9/11 Commission Report’s official website where the entire transcript of the May 23rd, 2003 hearing is available.

Directly from Mineta’s Testimony:

During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, “The plane is 50 miles out,” then “The plane is 30 miles out,” and when it got down to “the plane is 10 miles out” the young man also said to the Vice President, “Do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?” From David Ray Griffin’s book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions

When asked by Commissioner Timothy Roemer how long this conversation occurred after he arrived, Mineta said: “Probably about five or six minutes,” which, as Roemer pointed out, would mean “about 9:25 or 9:26.” With regard to what “the orders” referred to, Mineta assumed that they were orders to have the plane shot down. [The airplane hit the Pentagon at 9:37:46am]

There are, however, three problems with Mineta’s assumption. In the first place, this interpretation would imply that Cheney had given shoot-down authorization at some time before 9:25, which is much earlier, as we will see below, than even Clarke says. Mineta’s interpretation would not fit with the subsequent facts, because the aircraft headed towards the Pentagon was not shot down. Third, Mineta’s interpretation would not make the episode intelligible. Had Cheney given the expected order - the order to have an aircraft approaching the Pentagon shot down - we could not explain why the young man asked if the order still stood. It would have been abundantly obvious to him that it would continue to stand until the aircraft was actually shot down. His question would make sense, however, if “the orders” were ones that seemed unusual.

Some critics of the official account have suggested, therefore, that “the orders” in question were orders not to have the aircraft shot down. But of course this interpretation, while arguably being the more natural one, would also be very threatening to the Bush administration and the Pentagon.

It is not surprising, therefore, that although Mineta’s account was released in the 9/11 Commission’s staff report in May 2003, this account is not included, or even mentioned, in the Commission’s final report. This omission provides rather clear evidence that the Commission’s real mission was not to provide the fullest possible account of 9/11 but to defend the account provided by the Bush administration and the Pentagon.

RE: The enemy admitted to doing it.

wrong! Bin Laden said he wasn’t behind attacks
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/
September 17, 2001 Posted: 11:21 AM EDT (1521 GMT)

DOHA, Qatar (CNN)—

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, “The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

“I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons,” bin Laden’s statement said.

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By diamond, September 10 at 8:23 pm

” Really? So why is our Nazi friend Terry Jones trying to burn Korans on 9/11? Presumably he was planning and may still be planning to create some kind of memorial day where Korans are burned every single year, instead of Bibles and Torahs which would be much more relevant since the Muslims didn’t do 9/11 and there’s very convincing proof that Christians, Jews and possibly some atheists were involved in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks.”

How do you know he’s a Nazi? You don’t!

You really don’t know why he’s motivated to do it? It’s because of Muslims rubbing their noses in it with that Mosque bullshit in N.Y.

I’ve got some really bad news for you… supposedly there are more churches planning to follow suit. I think it’s great!

As for your 9/11 theory(?)... take your meds per the instructions on the prescription label and try purchasing a better quality aluminum because some of the thought rays are penetrating your hat. What form are you using? There’s a new pyramid design with a 32 sq in base … you may want to try it.

I’m an atheist and I do not hold to any political ideology or religious beliefs. I didn’t even buy into all that crap about hope and change!


I hope all adherents to all 3 monotheistic religions burn all of each others’ books except for a few copies to be placed in museums with a giant label that reads: “21st century humans actually believed this crap!”

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By PatrickHenry, September 10 at 4:53 pm

”There isn’t that much aluminium foil in the world to hide the “Big Lie’.  The crime was perpetrated by various nationalities, religions and yes, some of those crimminals happened to be Jewish.”

There is no evidence!

The enemy admitted to doing it. They even gave us the reasons why they did it. It all has to do with Islam and especially with Wahhabis fundamentalism. There is always fanaticism—of one form or another—behind acts such as 9/11. You simply cannot see the forest because the trees are blocking your view my friend.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 10 at 4:02

”And, to this we can add Robert’s Rule of Order:  No matter HOW BAD something is that someone does, Robert will always seek to find a Jew doing something worse.”

Cristers are Jews—albeit spiritual—according to their brand of mythology and you… well you… are like me… an antichrist! Betcha ya di’n’t think we had anything in common, huh? The best part is that the Crister religion was founded by Jews! It’s a Jew religion! And Islam comes from Judaism and Christianity! All the loons in all three monotheistic religions worship the mythological god of Abraham.

The Islamists feel the same way about us too. You and I are infidels and deserving of death. But that’s where the similarity ends. I—unlike you—don’t cower and run up a white flag of surrender at every opportunity that presents itself.

There is no law in any land that guarantees anyone the right not to be offended. If there was it would be one hell of a stupid law as there is never anyone who isn’t offended by something in life… example: I’m gravely offended by American appeasement of the enemy. Yes I view Islamists as the enemy of anything right and good in the world. And pleeeeeeeaaase don’t speak to me of “moderate Muslims.” When I see them in the streets decrying the acts of the Islamists as “insensitive” and “wrong” and burning down buildings and burning effigies of Islamist leadership with the same fervor they hit the streets over a goddamned cartoon then I’ll consider the possibility that there might really be such a thing as a moderate Muslim.

I’ve always heard that Jews are prepared to fight their Muslim enemy to the last American… your appeasement to everything Islamic does nothing to assuage my concerns of the validity of that statement.

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By diamond, September 10, 2010 at 4:23 pm Link to this comment

‘No you look Diamond! 9/11 hasn’t got a damned thing to do with this issue. That’s another tin foil hat issue for you believers in Planet X, the Nibirians, the Ducaz and all that other bullshit that you fools fall far.’

Really? So why is our Nazi friend Terry Jones trying to burn Korans on 9/11? Presumably he was planning and may still be planning to create some kind of memorial day where Korans are burned every single year, instead of Bibles and Torahs which would be much more relevant since the Muslims didn’t do 9/11 and there’s very convincing proof that Christians, Jews and possibly some atheists were involved in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks.

People like you believe in the official 9/11 story the way Catholics believe that the host the priest raises at Mass is literally the body and blood of Jesus. They believe it on faith, not on reason, and not on scientific investigation because if they applied those the whole story would be revealed as ridiculous and physically and chemically impossible. The only way anyone can believe the official story of 9/11 is to suspend all reason and all scientific knowledge and believe it just because they believe it. If the story is subjected to intellectual rigor and scientific investigation it crumbles to dust like a vampire hauled into the light. On the other hand you only have to look at Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin’s plans for a big rally on 9/11 and you can see how essential this lie is to the far right as an electoral ploy and as a justification for everything they’ve done and plan to do. That’s why they have no plans to tell the truth about all of this any time soon, or ever if they can avoid it. If you weren’t so busy hating Muslims you might have time to find the facts of what really happened on 9/11 but that would require work and patience and an open mind and, of course, hating people is so much fun, isn’t it? I haven’t fallen far, but you have.

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By fearnotruth, September 10, 2010 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

RE: Of course, NOWHERE do they ever show what an UNcontrolled total
demolition of a building looks like.

yeah, they’re pretty hard (virtually impossible) to find - every time the
opportunity presents itself and the cameras start rolling (i.e. skyscrapers that burn
sometimes for 2-3 days), the damned things just won’t fall down… go figure

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By PatrickHenry, September 10, 2010 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment

Another good website.

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/05/26/18502304.php

There isn’t that much aluminium foil in the world to hide the “Big Lie’.  The crime was perpetrated by various nationalities, religions and yes, some of those crimminals happened to be Jewish.

No doubt they thought themselves patriots to their various causes.

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By FRTothus, September 9 at 2:01 p

”All of this stems from the original myth that Arabs, not our own officials, were
responsible for 9/11.  It is our own officials who perpetrated the “attack”, and are
the ones who need to be held to account for the consequences.”

Can you provide actual evidence to back that bullshit you’re trying to pass off as
fact?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2073592843640256739#

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I watched this video and it has more holes in it than SpongeBob Squarepants. It was totally unconvincing.  They couldn’t find ONE demolition expert in a nation of 300,000,000 and had to go to Holland to find one? And all he would say is it looks like a controlled demolition and he can’t explain it.  Of course, NOWHERE do they ever show what an UNcontrolled total demolition of a building looks like.

Meanwhile, as usual with the conspiracy crackpots, they miss THE WHOLE POINT!

It doesn’t matter if a small group of Muslim fanatics pulled this off or not.  Because this asshole pastor is attacking all BILLION Muslims, not the minuscule numbers that make up Al Qaeda—a few thousand out of a billion (remember: To a billionaire a million is what a dollar is to someone with a thousand bucks).

What this loony preacher is doing is wrong.  And the response from the Muslim world is, in general, wrong, too.

And, to this we can add Robert’s Rule of Order:  No matter HOW BAD something is that someone does, Robert will always seek to find a Jew doing something worse.

But he’s not anti-semitic….no…..He’d love Jews if only we’d stop being, you know, Jewish.

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By PatrickHenry, September 10, 2010 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

Nemesis, here are scientists who have proven that thermite (nano-thermite) was contained in the dust in and around NYC after the buildings fell.

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

I have worked with structural steel, I beams, and heavy pipe for over 25 years.  I do know what a controlled demolition looks like and what it takes for steel to collapse in such a manner. 

The cone heads who state otherwise simply do not know what they are talking about when dealing with the properties of structural failures of metal.

Motive - lets see….3 trillion dollars later, asbestos abatement, Jewish lightning, PNAC new pearl harbor paper, GWOT, no motive(s) there.

The official story is so full of holes, I’m suprised anyone could accept it for face value, then your government wouldn’t lie to you, would it.

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By nemesis2010, September 10, 2010 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

Are those of you who are so outraged (<- cowered by fear of Muslim reaction) by the proposed antics of 50 Cristers equally outraged (<- covering your eyes as to not se the truth) by the following?

Christians in Gaza Fear for Their Lives as Muslims Burn Bibles and Destroy Crosses
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/285123/christians_in_gaza_fear_for_their_lives.html


Should Cristers threaten to murder innocent men, women, and children because of the actions of those in the article? Should the president and Lady Hillary speak out against such “insensitivity” to Crister sensitivities?

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By diamond, September 9 at 6:46 pm

”Look Nemesis if you don’t know the facts about what really happened on 9/11 by now it can only be because you don’t want to.“

No you look Diamond! 9/11 hasn’t got a damned thing to do with this issue. That’s another tin foil hat issue for you believers in Planet X, the Nibirians, the Ducaz and all that other bullshit that you fools fall far.

Your calling me a bigot is an ad hominem logic fallacy that people like you are forced to resort to because your argument is… well… stupid!

Why won’t you accept the offer? We know why… you’re too scared because you know—as well as the rest of the world—that your new BFF will rip your head off and stuff it up your butt!

All the other stuff you wrote is simply crazy filler that hasn’t got a damned thing to do with the issue which is: Where do we draw the line with this ridiculous Islamist sensitivity bullshit? And that is just what it is! They know the West is cowering in fear and will work to undermine every principle that our society is based upon in order to bring it down. That’s how a 5th column works.

One major difference between us and “them” is that for Abu Ghraib and this latest incident in Afghanistan people went to jail and are going to go to jail.

Where were all these Islamists sensitivities when Saddam destroyed 4000 villages, at least 3 cities, Qalat Diza, Halabja, and Sayid Sadig, declared 45,000 sq. mi. of Kurdistan off limits to human life and either deported or executed the inhabitants of those lands? Where were all these Islamists’ sensitivities when the Iraqi government murdered an estimated 182,000 people during the Anfal campaign (1987-1990)?

Go blow smoke up someone else’s butt Diamond because I recognize bullshit when I see it. This Islamist sensitivities issue is one of 5th column tactics.

Nothing in our constitution provides you with a right not to be offended. It’s a shame that you democrats and your new president are as oblivious to the constitution as your neo-conjoined twins. So much for all that hope and change!

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By fearnotruth, September 10 at 3:31 am

Tin foil hat link.

I asked for evidence. Conjecture is not evidence. A video with your tin foil hat friends is not evidence. We’ve seen them all and heard all of the theories. REAL scientists and engineers have dispelled all those tin foil hat ideas.

I suggest you put your mad-hatter conspiracy theories on hold until planet X, the Nibirians and the Ducaz arrive in 2012.

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By Sodium-Na, September 10 at 9:13 am

” The Nazi burned all books of literature which were not Germanic.
That took place in 1933.
We are now in 2010.
Seventy seven years have passed since 1933.
And yet,people like Terry Jones have learned nothing from what the Nazi bigotry and hatred and burning books had done to the German people and the rest of humanity. PITY!! “


DO you bite your fingernails thinking of all those terrible Nazis?

Trying to compare the antics of 50 congregants and their loony pastor to the book burning campaign by the “students association” in Nazi Germany is more than just a stretch.

Didn’t they burn more than 25,000 books over a period of several days as part of a literary and culture purge? Not quite the same is it? Are you one of those that decries the “fear-mongering” of the neo-cons, republicans, tea baggers, etc.? I ask because you’re fear-mongering also and it’s obvious why. You hope to avoid the real issue which is our cowering to the feigned sensitivities of Islamists.

Where do we draw the line with Islamist sensitivities?

If you want to prove to us how tolerant and peaceful Islamists are then please accept the offer of an all expense paid trip to the Middle East that I made to Diamond. I’ll gladly pay if you meet the stipulations.

We both know that not a single one of you will accept the offer because you know that you’ll be missing your head or ripped to shreds by your new BFF.

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By PatrickHenry, September 10, 2010 at 6:25 am Link to this comment

Robert, go figure.  Where is the media in this?

I’m glad someone is commenting on it.

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By Robert, September 10, 2010 at 5:16 am Link to this comment

Orthodox Jewish youths burn New Testaments in Or Yehuda


City’s deputy mayor initiated bonfire of missionary-distributed material, held next to a synagogue in town.


By The Associated Press


Fri, September 10, 2010


Orthodox Jews set fire to hundreds of copies of the New Testament in the latest act of violence against Christian missionaries in the Holy Land.

Or Yehuda Deputy Mayor Uzi Aharon said missionaries recently entered a neighborhood in the predominantly religious town of 34,000 in central Israel, distributing hundreds of New Testaments and missionary material.

After receiving complaints, Aharon said, he got into a loudspeaker car last Thursday and drove through the neighborhood, urging people to turn over the material to Jewish religious students who went door to door to collect it.

“The books were dumped into a pile and set afire in a lot near a synagogue,” he said.

The newspaper Maariv reported Tuesday that hundreds of yeshiva students took part in the book-burning. But Aharon told The Associated Press that only a few students were present, and that he was not there when the books were torched.

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http://www.haaretz.com/news/orthodox-jewish-youths-burn-new-testaments-in-or-yehuda-1.246153

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By Sodium-Na, September 10, 2010 at 5:13 am Link to this comment

The Nazi burned all books of literature which were not Germanic.

That took place in 1933.

We are now in 2010.

Seventy seven years have passed since 1933.

And yet,people like Terry Jones have learned nothing from what the Nazi bigotry and hatred and burning books had done to the German people and the rest of humanity. PITY!!

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By nemesis2010, September 9 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment
By FRTothus, September 9 at 2:01 p

”All of this stems from the original myth that Arabs, not our own officials, were
responsible for 9/11.  It is our own officials who perpetrated the “attack”, and are
the ones who need to be held to account for the consequences.”

Can you provide actual evidence to back that bullshit you’re trying to pass off as
fact?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2073592843640256739#

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” diamond, September 9 at 2:43 am Link to this comment

God ITW where to begin?”

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That’s easy.  Begin with what I post and stop making up lies and bullshit about me.  Try learning to parse the English language and get out of your fantasy head.

Had you ACTUALLY bothered to HONESTLY read what I wrote you’d see I do NOT see Muslims as “inherently evil” or anything of the sort. I think a few of them are very evil. Likewise I think some Christians, some Jews, and some Hindus and Buddhists are very evil. 

You really need to stop inventing this shit about me. It’s quite the sickness that goes with your crackpot conspiracy fantasies.

You are welcome to attack what I say, but not what I didn’t say.

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By Sodium-Na, September 9, 2010 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment

Re: Gmonst,September 9 at 5:21 pm.

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By diamond, September 9, 2010 at 2:46 pm Link to this comment

Look Nemesis if you don’t know the facts about what really happened on 9/11 by now it can only be because you don’t want to. The facts are numerous, well documented and irrefutable as are the facts on the anthrax letters which killed five and hospitalized seventeen, but if you don’t want to know about them, that’s your choice. And your hysterical ravings about unwashed goatherders show you for exactly what you are: a hate-filled bigot who is every bit as much a fundamentalist and an absolutist as those you claim to despise.

If America really was ahead of what you call Muslim cesspools American troops wouldn’t be in Iraq and Afghanistan and they certainly wouldn’t have done the things they’ve done there, which are well-known to the entire world. Or did Abu Ghraib not make it on to the news where you live? Americans are so civilized that the soldier who put the images from Abu Ghraib on the internet thereby blowing the whistle on what was going on there had to leave his home because of death threats. And Israel is so civilized that they arrest and sodomize 10 year old boys for the crime of being Palestinian. Take off the blinkers and stop pretending to be an enlightened civilized human being because you aren’t. What poisons everything is hate, especially hate of the other, and you have a severe case of hate.

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By Robert, September 9, 2010 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

US Soldiers ‘Killed Afghan Civilians for Sport and Collected Fingers as Trophies’

Soldiers face charges over secret ‘kill team’ which allegedly murdered at random and collected fingers as trophies of war


By Chris McGreal in Washington


“September 09, 2010 “The Guardian” - -Twelve American soldiers face charges over a secret “kill team” that allegedly blew up and shot Afghan civilians at random and collected their fingers as trophies.

Five of the soldiers are charged with murdering three Afghan men who were allegedly killed for sport in separate attacks this year. Seven others are accused of covering up the killings and assaulting a recruit who exposed the murders when he reported other abuses, including members of the unit smoking hashish stolen from civilians.

In one of the most serious accusations of war crimes to emerge from the Afghan conflict, the killings are alleged to have been carried out by members of a Stryker infantry brigade based in Kandahar province in southern Afghanistan.

According to investigators and legal documents, discussion of killing Afghan civilians began after the arrival of Staff Sergeant Calvin Gibbs at forward operating base Ramrod last November. Other soldiers told the army’s criminal investigation command that Gibbs boasted of the things he got away with while serving in Iraq and said how easy it would be to “toss a grenade at someone and kill them”.

One soldier said he believed Gibbs was “feeling out the platoon”.

Investigators said Gibbs, 25, hatched a plan with another soldier, Jeremy Morlock, 22, and other members of the unit to form a “kill team”. While on patrol over the following months they allegedly killed at least three Afghan civilians. According to the charge sheet, the first target was Gul Mudin, who was killed “by means of throwing a fragmentary grenade at him and shooting him with a rifle”, when the patrol entered the village of La Mohammed Kalay in January.

Morlock and another soldier, Andrew Holmes, were on guard at the edge of a poppy field when Mudin emerged and stopped on the other side of a wall from the soldiers. Gibbs allegedly handed Morlock a grenade who armed it and dropped it over the wall next to the Afghan and dived for cover. Holmes, 19, then allegedly fired over the wall.

Later in the day, Morlock is alleged to have told Holmes that the killing was for fun and threatened him if he told anyone.”

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26329.htm

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By Gmonst, September 9, 2010 at 11:21 am Link to this comment

We give way too much attention to idiots.

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By FRTothus, September 9 at 2:01 p

”All of this stems from the original myth that Arabs, not our own officials, were responsible for 9/11.  It is our own officials who perpetrated the “attack”, and are the ones who need to be held to account for the consequences.”

Can you provide actual evidence to back that bullshit you’re trying to pass off as fact?

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By rico, suave, September 8 at 7:38 pm

” nemesis:
Forget all the nasty things I said about you.”

You’ve said nasty things about me? Damn!

Well it’s Bush and the neo-cons and America’s fault! America steals all the oil in world and leaves nothing for other people. Before America and the Jews in Israel existed the whole world lived in peace and harmony and there was no war ever never ever then when America came Halliburton was born and the world hasn’t been right since. The only reason Muslims blow up buildings and fly planes into buildings is because of the Bush tax cuts and Halliburton.

 
Does this mean we’re no longer BFF?

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By diamond, September 9 at 2:43 am

” The trouble is, the neo cons have been casting stones for almost a decade and I don’t see any improvement in the situation in terms of tolerance, enlightenment, reason and truth and certainly not in terms of peace or democracy.”

Bwaaaaaa! Bwaaaaaa! You’re nothing but a cowering blame America for all the world’s ill little bugger!

I’m here to make an offer and see if you’ve the courage to accept it Diamond. I’m offering you an all-expense paid trip to the Middle East. Here’s the deal:

You will fly to the capital cities of the following nations and in the order they appear—staying three days in each—Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Egypt. Once you arrive in each city you are to don a placard strapped over your shoulders that—in the language of each country—demands that Muslims and the government immediately grant equal rights to women and gays, religious tolerance by permitting the building of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues and that they legalize proselytizing of other faiths. You will demand that women be classified as victims of rape and not the perpetrators. As you walk the streets of each of these cities you will hand out tracks that claim that the only way to heaven is through Jesus and that anyone who does not accept Jesus as lord is doomed to hell fire and damnation.

When you return and present me with all of your expense receipts I will reimburse you for all expenses —minus medical and lawyer fees. Is it a deal? Are you willing to go there and test their tolerance? Do you suppose that the Saudi royals will cry out to the citizenry to be tolerant of your presence and demands as our politicians are doing? I believe so because if we know anything about Islamists it’s that they are some of the world’s most tolerant and peaceful people.

So what say you Diamond? Everyone is holding their breath in anticipation of your courageous decision. Please advise me of your itinerary because I want to notify Al Jazeera of your arrival and plans so that all will be well documented.

By diamond, September 9 at 2:43 am

”Like Call Me Roy who thinks Islam is the anti Christ and is shivering in his boots, even though the west has so many nuclear weapons and every other kind of weapon you can imagine that there is absolutely nothing the Muslim world can do to them. That’s why 9/11 had to be done, to take away the idea that they couldn’t.”

According to the Crister religion all who do not accept their jeebus are anti-Christ. I’m an anti-Christ to them because I don’t believe in their fairy tales. To the Islamists I’m an infidel and deserving of death. So what does it matter what religious idiots believe?

You don’t fight a nuclear power like the U.S. only on the battlefield. Our technology hampers us because of world opinion. Our advanced war making ability ties our hands because to unleash it would be devastating. To destroy a power like the U.S. you keep them occupied on the battlefield putting out small innumerable fires while infiltrating the nation with a 5th column that uses that nation’s laws and liberties to destroy it from within. This is what the Islamists’ 5th column is doing throughout the West. And some of their strongest weapons are fools like you who can’t see pass your nose. Your convoluted revisionist history is more offensive than an unwashed goat herder after 3 months in the desert. 

RELIGION POISONS EVERYTHING!

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By Inherit The Wind, September 8 at 8:43 pm

”As for rights, I’m all for them.  But while you may well have the right to set a bonfire, it’s still criminally stupid to start it next to a gas station known for spilling fuel.”

So your solution to Islamic intolerance—the spilt fuel in your allegory—is to button down the hatches and cower like a beaten mongrel dog?

What happens when Islamists are offended by your presence on the planet should we cower like a mongrel dog and allow them to eliminate you like they did van Gough and what to do to Ayaan Hirsi Ali? What if they discover that not being allowed to practice Sharia law here is offensive to them? Should we cede part of our system of justice to them in order not to offend?

This morning I read: ”The imam behind a proposed Islamic community center and mosque near ground zero cautioned Wednesday moving the facility could cause a violent backlash from Muslim extremists and endanger national security.”

Why doesn’t a veiled threat like that offend any of you?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_re_us/us_nyc_mosque_imam


Where do we draw the line with their intolerance? Why is it that people like you cannot understand that the more you cower and surrender the principles that made Western society great the more they’ll demand? The Islamic world is a cesspool of religious and political intolerance, oppression, and misery. Why should we cede any of our values because of their being offended? Islamism is an offense to everything good and right in this world.

If the fuel ignites you call the fire department and they put it out… and the fuel in your allegory is best extinguished by our fire department (the U.S. military and their M16s). I believe in accommodating all wanna-be martyrs. I can’t think of a better state for a wanna-be martyr—regardless of his religious preferences—than dead.

RELIGION POISONS EVERYTHING!

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By Arraya, September 8 at 8:26 pm

”NO - criticizing interpretations is fine.  Dominionists vs liberation theologists
or wahhabists vs sufism or Haredi Judaism vs Humanistic Judaism.  It’s night
and day between these different sects.  you can’t possibly take the
actions(interpretations) of one and apply it to the other.”

Just because each sect adheres to a different type and/or level of the Stupid doesn’t mean that I can’t criticize them. I sure as hell can and will do it until the moment that I breathe my last breath and they put me into the cremation pyre.

By Arraya, September 8 at 8:26 pm

” Once you say muslims are this or Jews are that.  you turn into a preacher based
on your own interpretation.”

That’s ridiculous! We all have a sense of judgment and failing to use your good judgment can get you killed. I would never make the claim that the Amish are equally stupid and dangerous as Wahhabis fundamentalists and that doesn’t make me a preacher. We criticize—judge the merits and faults of; analyze and evaluate—everything in life.

By Arraya, September 8 at 8:26 pm

”Politics is different, it, by it’s nature, is dishonest. ”

They’re both the same! Do you really believe that undead Jewish zombies can rise from graves in different stages of molecular decomposition?  Do you really believe that an elephant can touch the side of a woman with its trunk, disappear inside of her and reappear, coming out of the woman’s side, months later, transforming into the first Buddha? Do you really believe that a goat herder from Arabia can mount a horse and fly to a meeting with an angel called Gabriel? You really believe that shit?

By Arraya, September 8 at 8:26 pm

” We should be criticizing ourselves for keeping the same system
that as been dysfunctional for half a century. We should be criticizing ourselves for keeping the same system that as been dysfunctional for half a century. ”

We do! Constantly! It’s called free speech and that’s what this whole issue is about; free speech and RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE! Have you failed to use your critical skills and cannot see that the two parties making the most outrageous claims are two religious fundamentalists groups? You don’t see atheists—not even New Atheists—bothering to burn books and threatening to kill others because they are offended.

As dysfunctional as we might be we’re light years ahead of those Muslim cesspools.

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By FRTothus, September 9, 2010 at 10:01 am Link to this comment

All of this stems from the original myth that Arabs, not our own officials, were responsible for 9/11.  It is our own officials who perpetrated the “attack”, and are the ones who need to be held to account for the consequences.

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By Jim Yell, September 9, 2010 at 9:18 am Link to this comment
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There is a lot of verbage here. So why not add some more?

The question is did the minister buy the copy of the Koran he plans to burn? If he did then that should be the end of the hyperventilation, but if he stole it from a Mosque, or another person of any religious or non religious back ground, then he should be arrested.

Burning a book is better than burning a person, although it is clear that the minister in question is really only interested in gaining media attention, which he has gotten.

As long as the Moslem’s buy the Bibles they might burn in retaliation than I don’t have any real objection to either doing it, although on General Principles I do not personally feel comfortable with burning books to make a point. If I were to get worked up about book burning it would have to be a book with some merit, like the works of Mark Twain, which are more moral and teachable than all the relgious books of the world.

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By Sodium-Na, September 9, 2010 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

Re: SarcastiCanuk,September 8 at 2:21 pm.

SarcastiCanuk,

Agree,except that the word,“stadium”,is not qualified to do the containing of the religious fanatics and nuts of all religions known to the humankind. There are millions upon millions of religious nuts. 

Nice try,SarcastiCanuk!!

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By robert puglia, September 9, 2010 at 7:16 am Link to this comment
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your faith is worthless if it owes anything to the
opinion of this cretin.
i wonder what is the real motive behind the huge flap
made about a figure of so little importance and his
little stunt. his obstinacy in the face of so much
opposition reminds me of the mosque makers of lower
manhattan to whom he should be handcuffed, wrist by
ankle.

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By fearnotruth, September 9, 2010 at 1:28 am Link to this comment

Samuel Huntington’s Clash of Civilizations is a made-to-order cause
celebré to spur on useful fools like Terry Jones - Nietzchien, Neo-con water-
carrier for the New World Oligarchy… he and fellow demagogues like Limbaugh,
Hanity, Beck, et al.

If only they knew, a place at the oligarchs’ table will never be set for them. To the
big players we’re all rabble. Seeing us set to fighting it out in the streets serves
them all too well. Most have no idea how big those pulling the strings really are.
They’d fire an upstart neauveau-rich like The Donald for farting without
permission.

They’d have a pip-squeak like Larry Silverstein run down in the street by a speeding sedan if he didn’t make the deal he was supposed to, so as to put the WTC in the right security hands prior to the “galvanizing event.”

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By diamond, September 8, 2010 at 10:43 pm Link to this comment

God ITW where to begin? You know what it proves that there are bad Muslims? It proves that they are human beings just like every other nation and member of a religion on earth. As Jesus said: ‘Whoever is without sin among you, cast the first stone’. The trouble is, the neo cons have been casting stones for almost a decade and I don’t see any improvement in the situation in terms of tolerance, enlightenment, reason and truth and certainly not in terms of peace or democracy. Democracy and truth have been the first and continuing victims of the war on terror and America under the neo cons’ influence has put the torch of liberty in a bucket of cold water and left it there.

These two colonial oil wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have all but destroyed America, financially and morally, so it seems that only America can destroy America and the neo cons and their Republican allies are certainly giving it one hell of a try. In fact, it’s all so much worse than before 2001 that it just about beggars belief. And in all seriousness I can’t believe that you have the temerity to take offense that these persecuted wretches have the hide to chant ‘Death to America’. It also strikes me as passing strange that you don’t yet grasp that they can chant until their tongues drop out: they simply don’t have the wherewithal to resist America and its proxy Israel in any way. Of course the reverse is not true. America can do anything it wants to them and so can Israel because they have been demonized as terrorists with a terrorist religion and no one gives a damn. And that includes you, in spite of trying to walk both sides of the street, as you so often do.

No one can ever make a fool of themselves by believing the truth matters and insisting on it being searched for and found. But there are a lot of people on Truthdig who think the truth is optional and expendable or that the truth is something that only has relevance when it is politically useful to the rich and powerful and their political servants, the right - and they really ARE fools. Like Call Me Roy who thinks Islam is the anti Christ and is shivering in his boots, even though the west has so many nuclear weapons and every other kind of weapon you can imagine that there is absolutely nothing the Muslim world can do to them. That’s why 9/11 had to be done, to take away the idea that they couldn’t. But the truth remains the truth: they still can’t. On the other hand, invading their countries, occupying their countries, stealing their resources, raping and torturing their mothers, sisters and daughters and imprisoning and killing their sons might just encourage them to find a way.
This idiot Jones is simply on a mission of provocation and the neo cons and the Republicans are waiting until it spirals out of control so that they can ‘save’ America and restore ‘law and order’.

To avoid the corrupt fundamentalist nightmare Pakistan has become it might have helped if the CIA hadn’t climbed into bed with Zia al Haq in the seventies and supported and armed him to the teeth the same way they did with Saddam Hussein and the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan. If might also help if America would put it’s boot on Israel’s neck and keep it there until they gave the Palestinians their own state and started behaving like a 21st century democracy instead of a medieval dictatorship run by warlords. I don’t expect to see that in my lifetime and I don’t think this century will be kind to Israel or America.

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By call me roy, September 8, 2010 at 8:15 pm Link to this comment

Diamond

say, are you one of those movie stars who played the terrorist parts in the “True Lies” movie. Your speech betrays you. Oh wait, maybe it was the movie “Black Sunday.” Or was it “A Son of the Sahara” or “The Black Stallion”, or maybe “Iron Eagle” or “Death Before Dishonor” or “Navy SEALs” or I know it’s “The Delta Force” or “Patriot Games” or could it be “Executive Decision” or many peoples favorite “Reel Bad Arabs.” Gee, there are so many to pick from. Anyway, you go out and rent these and I am sure you will enjoy watching yourself. If you find that these movies have helped you in any way, please, for your own sake, go see if you can get some anger management help. There is help out there.
Also, the famous author Joel Richardson breaks new ground with a devastating account of the possible connection between the Biblical Antichrist and the Islamic Mahdi. The Bible predicts that in the last days a charismatic leader will establish a global following in the name of peace. The Quran also predicts that a man will rise up to lead the nations, pledging to usher in an era of peace. The man in the Quran is called the Mahdi, or Islam’s savior. However, the man in the Bible is the Antichrist. Could it be possible that they are one and the same person? Richardson’s stunning research and analysis suggest that it is.
Hey, I would recommend that you put this on your reading list, it could open some eyes?

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By Inherit The Wind, September 8, 2010 at 4:43 pm Link to this comment

Sometimes Diamond, you really make a fool of yourself.

“Be fair ITW, no Muslim has invaded America, occupied it and killed your family. There is no moral equivalence whatsoever. The people of Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11. Why is America in their countries? And if the truth about 9/11 isn’t told the neo cons will eventually proceed to the next country on their oil agenda, namely Iran - which is five times as big as Iraq and has ten times the population. Good luck with THAT occupation.”

See what I mean?  First off, while I know you don’t believe there are any bad Muslims in the world and that ALL the evil acts are committed by Mossad and the CIA, that’s IRRELEVANT! 

I’ve NEVER held the Muslim world or the Arab world responsible for 9/11.  Indeed, many of them came to our aid both charitably and militarily.  But when an asshole in Florida wants to garner media attention by burning Qu’rans, I hold HIM responsible. 

And when thousands march in Pakistan or some other place and shout “Death To America!” and claim Washington and Obama are responsible and behind this asshole’s actions then I hold THEM responsible and label them assholes as well.  Not all Muslims, not all Arabs or Pashtuns, just the ones who buy into this bullshit.

And, Diamond, I have NEVER supported the contention that Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11.  I defy you to find ONE TIME that I wrote anything other than that, EVER.

As for rights, I’m all for them.  But while you may well have the right to set a bonfire, it’s still criminally stupid to start it next to a gas station known for spilling fuel.

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By Arraya, September 8, 2010 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment

I think this is actually a smoothly calculated polictal move by Petraeus and his
handlers.

They know, that troops are going to continue to die.  Petraeus just took over and is
changing strategies to a much more violent ones.

This will happen regardless of whether or not korans get burned in florida.  his
little warning is just a cover.

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By Arraya, September 8, 2010 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment

Of course there’s sound criticism of religion! Almost all criticism
of religion is valid. What does having different sects have to do with it? Look at
all the differences in the bases of the conjoined twins known as democrats and
republicans. Are you going to say we can’t criticize the stupidity of the
democrats and republicans because there are many different tents under the
big tent? It’s no different.

NO - criticizing interpretations is fine.  Dominionists vs liberation theologists
or wahhabists vs sufism or Haredi Judaism vs Humanistic Judaism.  It’s night
and day between these different sects.  you can’t possibly take the
actions(interpretations) of one and apply it to the other.

Once you say muslims are this or Jews are that.  you turn into a preacher based
on your own interpretation. 

Politics is different, it, by it’s nature, is dishonest.  Frankly, I find criticisms of
politicians a waste of energy.  Our problems are systemic and the rot has
metastasized.  We should be criticizing ourselves for keeping the same system
that as been dysfunctional for half a century.  Current governments and
economic models are way past their shelf-lives.  But that wont happen until
anger and ruin have reached a critical mass.  Even then it could change for the
worse.

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By rico, suave, September 8, 2010 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

nemesis:

Forget all the nasty things I said about you. Brilliant post!

Hypersensitive Islamists, and their spineless apologists in the West, demand a solicitude and sensitivity from us which they would never EVER extend to anyone else. They demand that we curtail our freedom of speech lest they be offended, yet make no effort to extend a reciprocal courtesy toward ANY of our sensitivities, like gay or women’s rights, or the right to enjoy a nice single malt Scotch and a cigar.

I liken this Florida pastor’s disgusting vaudeville act to the placement of the New York mosque. They are political theatre, pure and simple. They are designed solely to get a rise out of the red meat eaters on both fringes of the ideological spectrum. It is obviously working.

But if we don’t allow this asshole to burn his Korans, then we have surrendered to the Islamists. And this will only be the beginning.

Freedom of speech isn’t often pretty, but it is necessary.

PS Where’s the ACLU on this?

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By nemesis2010, September 8, 2010 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

A congregation of 50 Cristers wants to burn qurans and it has become a worldwide scandal and the West can’t cower and run the white flag of surrender up fast enough. 

When those practitioners of the religion of peace pin a note threatening the life of one of their own, who dared to speak out, pinned with a knife in the chest of Theo van Gough hardly a word of condemnation is mouthed. Let a cartoonist make a picture depicting the truth about those adherents of the religion of peace using an image to be understood as their holy prophet and the practitioners of the religion of peace go even more bat shit crazy than usual and the West can’t trash its supposed principles of free speech fast enough attempting to appease those that hate everything about life.

That which should offend you and enrage you makes you cower in cowardice. That which should make you fall down in laughter at the stupidity makes you feign outrage. No wonder this nation is going to hell in a hand basket. The cowardice that Islamists see is what motivates them to continue to attack every principle upon which this nation was founded. They believe us cowards because what they see is weakness.

When we see or hear of American flags or pictures of the Jewish undead zombie being burned or disgraced in crap passed off as art do we threaten to kill those guilty of having performed what many see as egregious acts? Hell no! Many may not like it. Many are offended and disgusted by it, but no one threatens to kill because of those acts. Yet the practitioners of the religion of peace can threaten to kill Americans because of the acts of a few brother deluded and none of you are offended by that barbaric response? What the hell is the matter with you people?

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By nemesis2010, September 8, 2010 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

Arraya, September 8 at 1:21 pm

”There is no such thing as a sound criticism of a religion. Because religion is all
INTERPRETATION—especially, reading iron-age poetry.  Which is why we have
thousands of different sects of every religion.”

Of course there’s sound criticism of religion! Almost all criticism of religion is valid. What does having different sects have to do with it? Look at all the differences in the bases of the conjoined twins known as democrats and republicans. Are you going to say we can’t criticize the stupidity of the democrats and republicans because there are many different tents under the big tent? It’s no different.

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By eir, September 8, 2010 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

The Media / Oligarchy is pushing / manufacturing these culture clash stories for all they’re worth. 

They’re trying to start a fire.  They haaven’t done it yet, but they’re working on it.

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By berniem, September 8, 2010 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment

Just one look at this “pastor”( whatever the hell that means!) and the mindless white trash that belongs to his “church” summarizes in a nutshell what Hitchens has been saying for years!

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By diamond, September 8, 2010 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

Oh, Tobysgirl you are so wrong on this. The Nazis burned books and you know what ended up in those ovens they had in the concentration camps? Human bodies. The ‘good Germans’ ignored the Nazis too until they had people up on the roofs of houses shooting at the black shirts as they marched through the streets. The people shooting at the black shirts were socialists and communists and very easy to demonize and the Nazis were only too happy to shoot back. Then, just like the Tea Party could, they won a tiny percentage of the vote and got into the parliament. You know the rest.

boggi666 got it absolutely right: Jones is a member of the Christo Fascist Taliban that considers all other religions to be evil but if the political culture had told the truth about 9/11 and prosecuted the real perpetrators Jones wouldn’t be doing this on 9/11/2010. Put simply, if nothing is done to set the record straight, anyone who disagrees with Koran burning will be characterized as a traitor making common cause with the religion that did 9/11. You see how beautifully it all works? As it was intended to. Continue to do nothing about telling the truth about 9/11 and you will end up with pitched, armed battles in the streets and complete civil disorder and then the Fascists will take government and ‘restore order’. I’m sure I don’t need to tell you what that means. Like the Nazis, the neo cons don’t care if they take everyone down with them as long as they end up on top of the dung heap and don’t believe for one minute that they are not encouraging this entire campaign against Muslims from the shadows, using the 9/11 lie as the lynch pin of their attack, and running the Tea Party too.

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By rico, suave, September 8, 2010 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

Is burning the Koran an act protected by the first amendment?

Is being outrageous protected by the first amendment?

Is burning the US flag an act protected by the first amendment?

Is burning the Bible an act protected by the first amendment?

It seems most posters have fallen in to the trap of defending only speech or acts which don’t make them uncomfortable.

If some group in a foreign country tells Pastor Nutcase that he can’t exercise his constitutional rights, reprehensible as they are in this case, without grave repercussions, so that our own government stops him from exercising those rights in the name of “sensitivity” and “tolerance”, isn’t that surrender?

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By SarcastiCanuck, September 8, 2010 at 10:21 am Link to this comment
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I have an idea to rid us of all the religous hate mongers out there.We take them all and put them in a fenced in area like a stadium or field.Give them all loaded automatic weapons,copies of thier bibles,korans,tanakh or torah or whatever holy book they subscribe to and unlimited bullets.They can then fight it out to the bitter end to see whose god reigns supreme.This way,the rest of the peace loving,tolerant,intelligent majority don’t have to fall under the collateral damage heading.
  We could even film it and make a new reality television show out of it.Call it something catchy like “Death to the Infidel”, or “Four Jews,a Muslim,a Goyim,two weddings and lots of Funerals”,or “Death of a bible/koran/tanakh Salesman” or my personal favourite “Monday night Killall”....Not only would we rid the world of all the silly religous hatred,but we would get some pretty exciting t.v. at the same time.I bet there are sponsors salivating over this idea already.

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By Arraya, September 8, 2010 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

Should criticism of Islam be illegal in the US?

There is no such thing as a sound criticism of a religion. Because religion is all
INTERPRETATION—especially, reading iron-age poetry.  Which is why we have
thousands of different sects of every religion.

Once you interpret and tell people what is “true” of a religion you become a
preacher.  Not a scholar

This fruit loop is an inverted Koran thumper, standing on a rock preaching what
it is to be a “true” muslim—according to his interpretation. 

Essentially a hate preacher - that seems to not like what the sees in the mirror

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By Tobysgirl, September 8, 2010 at 5:35 am Link to this comment

I’m with Isaac, the media is largely responsible for giving this guy airtime. How many nuts do we have in the U.S.? (Or any other country for that matter.) Why do we need to give them the publicity they crave? Why not just ignore them and allow their local community to support/protest their actions? (Did anyone else notice that the cross on the front of this fellow’s church is in need of repair? I’ll bet he’ll get some donations now.)

And, by the way, I object to the notion that burning a book, any book, equals violence. Yes, book burning is reprehensible, but it does not equate with murdering a person, raping a person, dropping bombs on a person. A huge problem in this world of ours is that people cannot distinguish between symbolism (the words in a book) and reality. They think that a book written by humans, printed by humans, is somehow the work of God. I see God’s work outside my windows and I see no books, just trees, grass, clouds, birds, ...

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By bogi666, September 8, 2010 at 5:06 am Link to this comment
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Burning the Koran will result in blow back against Americans, particularly our troops, worldwide. This is provoking terrorism against our troops in Iraq and AfPak whom are already in harms way. The perpetrators of the burning are more guilty than the American Taliban in Yemen, who is under an assassination order from President ObambyaBush,for inciting and creating terrorist acts. Those behind the burning should be subject to anti terror laws and tortured, incarcerated and renditioned as have other American accused of terrorist activity, which is ill defined on purpose to be all inclusive and open ended.The DHS, FBI, all security agencies need to prosecute the churchianity-religionist christian taliban pretend christian preachers, need to be investigated for their ties to domestic terrorist groups.

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By Ouroborus, September 8, 2010 at 5:03 am Link to this comment

After living abroad for 4 years, I took my wife to
America. I was wound up tighter than an over wound
clock spring about going through customs because my
wife isn’t American. Why was I so uptight? Because I
was stupid enough to believe the media acting as
though they were actually news reporters. We went
through with no problem and actually had some
humorous repartee with the customs officers over some
mangoes my wife tried to bring in country (fresh
fruit=no).
My point is this; the entertainment industry has
taken over what was previously called “the news”.
The really bad part of this is; the world will see
this as reality and will see this Koran burning as a
reflection of the American people, when nothing could
be further from the truth.
Until ya’ll stand up to these bastards, they’re going
to play hell on the world’s perception of Americans,
never mind what they think of America.
Here in my adopted country the people don’t like what
America is doing in the Middle East, but they still
view “us” Americans as okay. I rue the day that
changes and the media is rushing that day.
Ya’ll need to recognize the difference between the
media and the news; they’re not the same or even
close.

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By PatrickHenry, September 8, 2010 at 3:14 am Link to this comment

I’m suprised this loon is getting the press that he is.  Betrayus is out on TV making comments against the burning.

This whole thing smells like a staged event.

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By diamond, September 8, 2010 at 3:01 am Link to this comment

This is the inevitable result of the overarching lie of 9/11. First these goosestepping nutjobs burn books and mosques and then they burn people and they use 9/11 as the justification for their racist religious madness and no one has the guts to tell the truth or to stop this madman from carrying out his despicable plan. This idiot only has 30 people in his congregation but my guess is they’re all as crazy as he is.

Be fair ITW, no Muslim has invaded America, occupied it and killed your family. There is no moral equivalence whatsoever. The people of Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11. Why is America in their countries? And if the truth about 9/11 isn’t told the neo cons will eventually proceed to the next country on their oil agenda, namely Iran - which is five times as big as Iraq and has ten times the population. Good luck with THAT occupation.

I see poor old Call Me Roy is still frothing at the mouth. His rabies is definitely getting worse: probably caught it from Pastor Jones. And Jones calls his church the ‘Dove’ Outreach Centre? Who’s he reaching out to- other Nazis and similarly mentally challenged losers? Only in America.

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By Anyone there?, September 7, 2010 at 11:03 pm Link to this comment
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I feel uncomfortable whenever there is talk going around about how burning books can be justified as a positive moral action. Terry Jones should not even talk such nonsense! 

Don’t burn a Koran, Mr. Jones.  Just…don’t do that!  Of all the books ever written, the Koran?  Are you serious?!  Unfortunately, I believe you are.  Aside from the fact that this particular book is a masterpiece of world literature, it is immoral to burn ANY book.  That is just not a good action to do, in my opinion. 

Don’t burn books, Mr. Jones.

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By poolman, September 7, 2010 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment

Burning books. Oh yeah, we’re a brilliant species.  This is just another effort to keep us fighting among ourselves.  I agree with Isaac, if the media wouldn’t have run with this, it would not be such a big deal.  But then the media HAS an agenda, now doesn’t it?

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By Francis H, September 7, 2010 at 9:48 pm Link to this comment

Here’s the same preacher preaching that it’s ok to call black people “ni@@er”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_i0J7LH0CA&feature=related

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By purplewolf, September 7, 2010 at 8:36 pm Link to this comment

Almost as insane as the whacked brethren from Westboro church who protest at the funerals of the fallen military people from Bush’s illegal war.


How would this depraved person,Terry Jones,feel if some people decided to burn his “good book” in protest, oh say, for the past misdeeds that the indigenous people of this country were dealt by those claiming to be Christians and in doing so violated over half of their Ten Commandments? The tables can be turned back unto these self righteous,callous and indifferent people as easily as they turn against another person. If this is the kind of hatred this church preaches,perhaps their tax free status should be taken from them as they certainly are not what Jesus(if you believe) would approve of. I was told that Jesus taught love, peace and tolerance, something lacking in Terry Jones church and heart.

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By call me roy, September 7, 2010 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

The most sacred place in Islam is the Ka’ba in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. The Ka’ba is a mosque (built by Abraham according to Muslim tradition) built around a black stone. The Prophet Muhammad designated Mecca as the holy city of Islam and the direction (qibla) in which all Muslims should offer their prayers. There is a small building two blocks up the street from the Ka’ba that would be a perfect size to start a Christian Church in.
The second most sacred place in Islam is Medina. Medina is a city in the Hejaz region of western Saudi Arabia, and serves as the capital of the Al Madinah Province. It is the second holiest city in Islam, and the burial place of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad and it is historically significant for being his home after the Hijrah. Believe it or not, two blocks up the street there is a small building that would be a perfect size to start a Christian Church in.
Who would I contact in Saudi Arabia to find out about coming over to Mecca and then Medina to start the Christian Churches there? Our parish is looking forward to spreading the “Word” in Saudi Arabia. God bless.

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By rico, suave, September 7, 2010 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment

ITW:

Amen brotha

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By Inherit The Wind, September 7, 2010 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

rico, suave, September 7 at 11:21 pm Link to this comment

Should criticism of Islam be illegal in the US?
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No, but burning somebody else’s holy book is reprehensible.  Besides, this asshole in Florida is nothing more than another fame-seeking jerk who doesn’t give a shit that he’s making it HARDER for the good men and women serving in Islamic nations.

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By CaptRon, September 7, 2010 at 7:33 pm Link to this comment

No need to say that this is a prime example of religion in politics where it doesn’t belong. Also an example of someone who must tear down others to be better in their own mind. I wonder how his siblings feel about him? I wouldn’t be surprised if…..

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By rico, suave, September 7, 2010 at 7:21 pm Link to this comment

Should criticism of Islam be illegal in the US?

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By rico, suave, September 7, 2010 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment

PatHenry:

Ditto. The best idea is taking their tax exemption. These idiots are world class nut jobs.

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By Diana T Brooks, September 7, 2010 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment
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Burning the Koran is an insult. The people who plan on doing this is making a mistake. It will only draw negative attention to them. Another distraction….

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By Isaac, September 7, 2010 at 4:43 pm Link to this comment
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I live in Gainesville (where this is going on) and I can tell you that practically the entire city is planning to protest this nonsense on Saturday.  As much as I want to blame these nut jobs, I have to blame the media more for this.  Nut jobs are dime a dozen, but big media just can’t pass up an opportunity to cash in some ratings on this.  Without the media attention, this would have been 50 pious idiots (the number members of the church in question) and a sanctimonious campfire.  Now it’s gotten dangerous and I’m sure that Dove World Outreach would love nothing more then for someone to burn their church down so they can cry about how persecuted they are by those evil muslims and secularists.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 7, 2010 at 4:41 pm Link to this comment

Who is dumber? This asshole in Florida or the assholes abroad who insist that the US government is behind it and chant “Death To America!”

My vote? Dead even tie.

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By PatrickHenry, September 7, 2010 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment

The preacher is making a political statement much in-line with Hagee and the islamophobists of Israel.

Take his tax exempt status and send in the auditors.

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By Bob, September 7, 2010 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment
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Wow.  30-years of preaching hatred.  Makes me glad I’ve chosen atheism.

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By gerard, September 7, 2010 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment

One more hideous example of how ugly chickens come home to roost.  I seem to remember something about a place called Guantanamo where, with the permission of US sanctioned prison authorities,  guards threw Korans into toilets in order to harrass Islamic prisoners. After that, it’s a bit difficult for the U.S. government to advise a reactionary preacher in a small church in Florida not to burn a few Korans, just for the hell of it.
  The human race must surely come together soon in orer to hang onto a few shreds of reason in time to save itself.

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By Rgyle, September 7, 2010 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment

To quote an AP report today by Mitch Stacy, “Jones told the AP in a phone interview
that he is also concerned (about blowback) but wonders how many times the U.S.
can back down.”

Well, maybe about as many times as Jesus would turn the other cheek?

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By PatrickHenry, September 7, 2010 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment

What a bunch of manevolent fruit loops.

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