Maani, June 23 at 12:32 pm #

Peace.
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I agree 100%.  My comments were not directed at you, but at someone else.

ITW:

“The dogma of political orthodoxy.  Just like religious orthodoxy: You never let the facts clutter up the Truth.’”

Ironically, my religious orthodoxy apparently leaves more room for “modification” than TD3’s political orthodoxy!  LOL.

Peace.

rico, suave, you need to get out more. There is another BP rig, much bigger, that people have been warning about for some time as a disaster waiting to happen. Oil spills are NOT rare, they’re just not usually this large.

And stopping the clock sounds like an excellent idea. We seem determined to hurry as quickly as possible to our own death and destruction. I fear restlessness may be an inherent characteristic of Homo sapiens sapiens, but slowing down, stopping the clock, THINKING FOR ONCE about our actions before we plunge headlong into them, might be a good idea.

Maani, June 22 at 11:59 pm #

Peace.
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The dogma of political orthodoxy.  Just like religious orthodoxy:

You never let the facts clutter up “the Truth”.

TD3:

“I don’t see an ounce of difference between Obama, Clinton and W Bush.”

If that is the case, there is really nothing anyone will be able to say to you, since your “political compass” is apparently broken…

Peace.

Oh, Look! The judge owns stock in the drilling company, Halliburton and companies that hold BP.

He has a conflict of interest, right out in the open.

digger:

No question it’s a major catastrophe. But we need to keep cool heads. BP will be totally on the hook for this, no doubt. But let’s not use this as an excuse to stop the clock.

truedigger3, June 22 at 6:22 pm #

ITW,
Please don’t insert partisanship in every issue. It is glaringly obvious that there is no differenc between the Democratic and the Republican parties. You can even add to the mix the tea baggers and the libertarins. They are all coporatists and represent the corporatist party.
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TD3:  Imagine for ONE MINUTE that a Carter, Clinton or Obama-appointed Federal judge would have handed down such an atrocious and biased decision that could NEVER pass a straight-faced test with anyone but a total fanatic. The idea is outlandish.

Now look and see how totally absurd and ridiculous the position you continually take is.

Plus, you politicize everything…I’m just waiting for you to somehow bring Israel into this.

maani wrote:
“For example, with the notable exception of Clinton, Dems have always been pro-regulation, while Reps have been anti-.  Also, while both parties are pro-business/corporate and pro-rich (to varying degrees), Dems have always been more pro-middle class (actively so) than Reps.”
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maani,

I don’t see an ounce of difference between Obama, Clinton and W Bush.
As a matter of fact Obama is worse than those two, hiding behind his blackness and gifted oratory and bullshitting skills to tighten the screws more.
Coming in the very near future from Team Obama : “reforming” Social Security and Medicare.!

Re: By rico, suave, June 22 at 6:03 pm #

rico, suave wrote:
“Why don’t we treat this disaster with the perspective we treat airliner crashes? Horrific but very rare. Besides, drilling wasn’t the problem, it was the extraction process that failed.”
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rico, suave,

This is not like an airliner crash. This is unprecedented environmental catastrophe with much much larger and lasting consequenes.
The Gulf of Mexico, which is one of the richest bodies of water with marine life is dying and with it the livelihood and way of life of millions of people especially those who work in fishing or tourism and their supporting businesses.
I am not a scientist to know exactly what will be the extent of the damage and how long it will last, but it looks like it will be for a very long time, possibly decades, if that well is not capped in the very near future.
Whether that disaster resulted from drilling or extraction is a moot and bullshit issue.
The disaster resulted from trying to get oil from very very deep waters with unproven technology and no safeguards in place.

Obama/Admin is, in fact, challenging the ruling.  That, at least, IS a no-brainer.

Truedigger3:

“It is glaringly obvious that there is no differenc between the Democratic and the Republican parties. You can even add to the mix the tea baggers and the libertarins. They are all coporatists and represent the corporatist party.”

This debate has been had umpteen times on TD.  I think I speak for many (even most) when I say that, although it is obviously true that all parties are beholden to corporate money, there are still philosophical differences between parties, and their governing styles (and policies) DO differ, to the degree it is possible to do so within the corporate-political structure (and it is).  For example, with the notable exception of Clinton, Dems have always been pro-regulation, while Reps have been anti-.  Also, while both parties are pro-business/corporate and pro-rich (to varying degrees), Dems have always been more pro-middle class (actively so) than Reps.

And those are just two of the obvious differences.

Peace.

Obama can show his true color, “no pun intended”, by appealing this atrocious ruling, hopefully until finding out by an “honest investigation”, what really happened, and if it is safe to resume drilling in deep waters!

ITW,
Please don’t insert partisanship in every issue. It is glaringly obvious that there is no differenc between the Democratic and the Republican parties. You can even add to the mix the tea baggers and the libertarins. They are all coporatists and represent the corporatist party.

This is getting way too political. Sort of like how AIDS went from being a medical disease to a political one. Why don’t we treat this disaster with the perspective we treat airliner crashes? Horrific but very rare. Besides, drilling wasn’t the problem, it was the extraction process that failed.

THIS is why it matters who is President—because that asshole Reagan appointed THIS asshole!

You don’t have to give a shit about ANYTHING else.  You can hate every Dem policy and spit on Obama’s every action.

But when it comes to Federal Courts appointments the harm done by Reagan and the Bushes is INCALCULABLE!

From the Supreme Court on down, with few exceptions (like Souter and, to a lesser extent, O’Connor) the GOP appointments from Reagan and after on have been ATROCIOUS!

Franz Kafka is alive and (oil) well…