Re: Comment #31675 by Lynn - Don’t vote by absentee ballot! That’s actually being encouraged by the powers that be but is a great way to disenfranchise yourself; absentee ballots can conveniently be set aside and not counted.

Why can’t we just have paper ballots on which we use a pencil to mark a X next to the candidates we want to elect? That’s what Great Britain does. They also have citizens count all the ballots. No way to fake the numbers.

Only way to vote - a national card, u swipe it to vote, then all results post online, so u can look up your voter number and see it is right.
Without a national ID, there will never be a way to tie each vote to a voter and thus no way to ensure all elections are 100% correct.

This year I’m voting by absentee ballot.  I hope many others will do the same.

We used Diebold machines in the last Presidential elections in our town near San Diego. There were no irregularities or problems. But then again, there never are in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

Hmmmmmmmm.......manipulated (or mistakes in) computer code - no paper trail - election fraud.
Supreme Court giveaways notwithstanding, how easily COULD an election be stolen?

Speaking of which...has anyone seen Robin Williams’ new movie, “Man of the Year?” Shades of Art imitating Life. Or vice-versa................

Whatever you do, if your state provides a printed receipt of your vote, HANG ONTO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See RFK, Jr.’s scholarly and insightful articles on election fraud at:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_th e_2004_election_stolen

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11717105/ro bert_f_kennedy_jr__will_the_next_election_be_hacked

If you like the above, here are some videos to watch (go to google video):

improbable collapse
911 mysteries
911 press for truth
oil, smoke, and mirrors

Best website:
st911.org
journalof911studies.org

Best books:
The new pearl harbor (David Ray Griffin)
Crossing the rubicon (michael ruppert)

I expect to wake up on November 8th and be told by the News that the elections were a sweep. QUOTE:
“The Republicans Have Sweeped the Democrats! The Democrats Have Recieved NO VOTES!”

Let’s make this real simple : Would you do your bank transactions at an ATM that did not give you a paper receipt verifying your transaction ?  Then why would ANYBODY allow their vote to be “counted” electronically without a verifiable paper trail ? Why would ANY state election officials even bother talking further to a company that proposed such a thing ? Has everybody in government suddenly become INCREDIBLY STUPID ? The wonder is not that we presently find ourselves in this ridiculous situation, but that it ever even got past the discussion phase; the very concept is preposterous from the get-go. It would be interesting to have an investigation just to find out what the hell these officials were thinking in the first place.

Two other options are to a) demand a voter-verifiable printed record to be available should a recount be required, along with a requirement for random recounts in, say, 2% or 3% of districts; and/or b) legislate that if we are to vote on electronic machines that the hardware and software be completely in the public domain and subject to scrutiny.

“Alterations of the code” and manipulations of the final vote counting process is exactly where the fraud is going on - all the other issues are smokescreen. If “they” can control the final count, “they” have the election results in the bag, theirs! Example? In 1988 a friend ran for governor of Montana. There were 6 candidates’ names on the ballot! After the alleged vote count was reported, an investigative reporter for the Bozeman Chronicle compared the total votes cast in his county ( Gallatin County ) with the total number of registered voters. Guess what? There’d been more votes cast for the 6 governor candidates than registered voters, and way more than voters who actually signed in and voted! “What happened? “, he asked Gallatin County the election officials. Did the folks in the graveyards vote, or what? Election officials could not or would not respond, even when he requested a diskette with the elections codes, but did say they did not have the vote count code, that only 5 people in a Texas corporation even knew it. Also admitted was that the Associated Press Capital Bureau in Helena dialed in to Gallatin County’s computer, modem to modem, several times on elections day, allegedly to get preliminary vote counts. Say what? If data can be sent upstream, can it not also be sent downstream too? And if data, why not code changes too? So, it was revealed by peeling off another layer of camoflage, that AP Capital Bureau’s computer dials up many county elections computers before noon, especially a few where all the voters in some small precincts have agreed to come vote in early morning and then go have an elections morning breakfast together. AP can then report “early election results” in “bellweather precincts” . Interesting? Yes, but just more camoflage! It’s those modem to modem connections between 3PM and 8PM that change the codes and the vote count, and the last connection changes the code back and tries to rectify the vote count with the votes cast and conceal what was done. In 1988 they slipped up there in Gallatin County! They got caught! We the People of Montana had some evidence. So, a court complaint was filed to bring those facts before a jury of view, and to force revelation of the entire rotten vote counting conspiracy through the “Discovery” process under judicial oversight and rules. What happened? a “judge” forgot his sworn oath of office, ignored the 1st, 4th, 5th, 7th, 9th, and 10th Amendments ( Bill of Rights) to the Constitution, and several more in the Montana Constitution, and dismissed the case! Yes, as with the National Socialists in 1930’s Germany ( the Nazis) there now are NO checks and balances left. This cannot be corrected by voting. It will require cutting off their money, confrontations, and ultimately violent revolution. Not against We the People, but by We The People to change the government which is supposed to operate of/by/for US. “They” have subverted the rule of law, and are using it against the peoples’ wishes. “They” spit on democratic principles and, while imposing their elitist rule from the top down, “they” distrust and abuse grassroots democratic principles here just as “they” have in places like Venezuela and Bolivia. “They” have rigged the so-called “Patriot Act” so “they” can remove the true patriots and the loyal political opposition and “disappear them” to places outside the States united with no Right of Habeas Corpus or Due Process of Law protections. “They” act outside the Constitution, outside the rule of law, outside of American Principles, and beyond the pale. “They” have adopted the strategy of the terrorists and have used the politics of fear and terror on US to beome the chief among terrorists. “They” label anyone politically opposing them and their rule by corporations as cut-and-run peaceniks who don’t support the troops. “They” must be confronted, charged with oath-breaking ( perjury!), their authority denied and voided, and their paychecks cut off. More, their property must then be attached and taken, just as Ken Lay’s has been attached for his frauds as CEO of ENRON. More yet; their corporations can be taken down by terminating their corporation charters, for cause. When they pollute, when they get caught bribing and their lobbyists get caught distributing payola to the hogs in the pigpen ( Congress), when they get caught resorting to violence ( some labor union corporations do), when they continually violate good business principles, We The People in the state where they are chartered can cancel, revoke, rescind, and void their privelege to do business. “They” escape only by correcting, or by dying! “We” win only by learning the truth, by acting as and on Grand Juries, by confronting federal agents in error with their misdeeds and holding them accountable, by standing up to corporations’ misdeeds and demanding correction - or else ! Don’t expect them to give an inch. Expose them, demand they correct, and throw their asses out - naked - into the cold!

I’ve posted many times about being in a family for more than 26 years who joined Organized Crime only this wasn’t any ordinary crime system.  Their connections included links to local Governments all the way up to the top most part of our Federal Level.  They bragged often about being “The World’s Largest Crime System” and for good reason, it extends beyond our shores into other countries as well. 

For me to read the news, it’s so obvious with who is really who and I’ve waited a long time to finally see others start to see it too.  We’re in trouble!  But everyone has only been reading the news and there is so much more that hasn’t surfaced yet.  We’ve seen corruption like never before, but that’s nothing compared to what else has been going on and remember, it’s on our sol!  There are systems established that by design will eliminate threatening people without causing any interest as their deaths (murders) are written off as normal or accidental.  This is only the start!  Another issue is how do you think our Politicians are laundering the money they steal from us?  This one is huge beyond your wildest dreams.  You won’t believe who is behind this! 

Being able to control our voting process is only one part of many that they are using to establish control.  There are many interesting and what may appear as delusional situations all over the Internet.  However, you may need to look closer as many may be entirely true.  One example is the Detention camps or jails located all over the US.  If you think controlling the vote is real, wait till later.  Back in the early 90’s, the family talked openly about “When the Change comes, you’re either with us or you’re not?” If you’re not with them, you will end up in one of these detention centers or better known as jails.  Perhaps it’s important to remind you that Hitler took over Germany legally!  Reading the news should surface that many of their moves towards control already exist.

#30932 made a good point as keeping everyone busy stops them from having the time to learn what is happening around them.  But everyone is also missing that the Internet is also being stalked by these people looking for those who oppose them.  If you oppose them, your computer equipment will end up being destroyed, like all of mine have.  This is why I use the Local Library.

I read that yesterday one of the Republican Senators fired over 60 investigators.  Interesting move!  All legitimate efforts to stop the criminal element within our Federal Government is in the process of being stopped.  I’m afraid that if the election doesn’t turn out to reflect the truth, it may not be long before there will be serious trouble.  Al Gore can certainly explain to all of us how it feels to loose when you really won!

Regarding #30823’s comment about breaking into Diebold’s system, it may be important to realize that all over the US especially in those states where the vote counts more, there are “black bag” criminals trained in computer technologies sitting and waiting to break-in to the system to change the vote.  How I know that may surprise you!  For those machines that use “wireless”, that is usually where they target their break-ins.  The “Wireless” area is loaded with “Security Holes” and you would be even more surprised to learn who is behind that too.  When I say Wireless, I mean all technologies that are used for wireless.  Plus, the chips used in the assembly of Networking and Wireless electronic systems also have security holes and are exploited.  This may sound like fantasy but believe me, it’s entirely true and again, you would be very surprised to know how I know.

#30883 makes a good point suggesting Rove is part of this, but the truth is he may be only one of a huge number of people involved.  Everyone needs to have a different perspective with looking at who is involved.  This is the scary part as it’s most difficult to grasp the idea that it’s not a small group, but something much much larger. 

Something to think about….Is the “Federal Reserve” a branch of our Federal Government OR a separate privately run Company?  When you learn the answer, start accepting that who’s at the top of our problem is the Banks!  And I don’t mean only the Banks on US soil either!

JFK was assassinated by the same group the family was part of.  He was assassinated because he recognized that the Federal Reserve needed to be owned by “We the People” and signed a Bill a few months before he was assassinated to start changes in that area.  I was told this by the family in the early 90’s.  This criminal system goes way back as at the time JFK was assassinated, I was in High School.

I could talk about the criminal element for days, especially the worse crimes and how some of them are done.  With what I know to be real, many of the Conspiracies (in part or in whole) on the Internet are true!  Keep reading to learn as much as you can.

Marty Didier
Northbrook, IL

The Media and Education system is conditioning us as usual to distract us from the truth. We sleep 8 hours if we are lucky, work 8-10 hours a day,(if we have a job) commute to work 500 hours a year, take the kids to school, sports, doctor, and shop, shop, shop.
While we do all this; these Elite’s- Upper Class (NWO) finance 100’s of think tanks to form our behaviors, money, and health for their personal wealth, power and control of us.
There is over 500 Executive Orders and NSA Directives that take our freddoms away from us. In a time of National Emergency did we know that the President can cancel all Elections and put us under Martial Law- take control of all transportation, food, water, and communication outlets just to name a few...what about electronic voting machines and Diebold.
If we think these Nazi’s- are going to release control Surprise, Surprise.
Those of us who are over 30 can remember all the promises over the previous 60 years of elections.
A two party system is a False Flag Operation, Black Operation, a Silent Weapon for Quiet War against all of the people.
It has taken over 60 years for the complete destruction of this U.S. and only one thing can change it- voting is not it.

Just goes to show that Diebold and Karl Rove will help steal the elections in Maryland this year too.

Someone suggested on Molly Ivins’s thread that rogue hackers should break into the Diebold computers and alter the vote so that “Mickey Mouse” wins, etc. That option, sabbotaging the entire system, is extremely improbable. The programs themselves are extremely secure to outside interference but may have a built-in capability for quick and temporary alterations to the code (e.g., every third vote for a Democrat puts three votes toward the Republican).

What is the solution? Voting machine code must be made available for public scrutiny, with a certifiable date-stamp so that we can be assured that the code was not changed during the election period. Only then can we be reasonably confident that of the voting technology.

Other kinds of fraud (e.g., Ohio’s Sec of State Blackwell’s shenanigans) will still take place but is ultimately more transparent (and thereotically, actual humans can be held accountable).