samosamo, January 1 at 5:42 pm #

By ardee, January 1 at 11:01 am

I do understand and I hope that I never loose my patience or compassion ....
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I hope so too, samosamo. Without compassion there is no hope for real or lasting change. We are, all of us, guilty of losing our tempers on occasion, me foremost. I find no real merit in the posts of more than a few here and do indeed respond in kind to posts that only dwell on personal assumptions and those that believe an insult to be political commentary. As a born and bred New Yorker ( not Yemeni,  Ms. Outrageously ill bred and boring) I am well suited to responding in kind, though I know I shouldnt.
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To trumpet the deaths of anyone, as you did, in a weak moment I am sure, is not only wrong it is a roadblock to progress…“Every man’s death diminishes me for I am a part of all mankind….”

By ardee, January 1 at 11:01 am

I do understand and I hope that I never loose my patience or
compassion but I also don’t want to loose sight of what is
happening with the people we select/elect to run this country
and I am very irritated by those that we have selected/elected
and what they are doing in our name in not just this country
but the world all because of money which they consider gives
them the right to lie cheat steal kill and dump any notion of
compassion and patience for their own wicked and criminal
ends which I have said ‘don’t look for those people to have revelation or rapture where they will repent and come to live in some sort of equitable agreement with all.

And what I consider of very high import is the human race
believing that our ‘unfettered’ runaway population growth is
an ostensibly good and great thing but which in reality is the
harbinger of more suffering and misery instigated by that very
well overdevelopment of emotion(or as some may argue a
survival quality) called greed.

I also wonder why a species of supposed high intellect won’t find a way to control its own numbers as it seems all too obvious right now that with all the cultural systems humans thrive upon that those systems(political, religious, financial, et al) are not functioning for the good of the current population of about 7,000,000,000 people.

samosamo, December 31, 2009 at 2:52 pm

Regarding the posting of comments;

sometimes you need patience.

Regarding the deaths of human beings;

sometimes you need compassion.

I think we should never forget that it is not the death of people we seek or glorify, it is the alteration of systems of governance that we seek to bring about.

By wildflower, December 31 at 9:11 pm
““They are the kind of thing that makes one wonder about the
future of the human species.”“
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And as I said about the 7,000,000,000 overload of humans, your
remark kind of hints at your worries about the human species like
there aren’t enough and that it should continue to grow
‘unfettered’ just like a cancer that it really is, but as also stated,
this is the sacred cow that pretty much just needs to be kept from
being exposed to the light of day even when it means that
operatives of the cia are working for the corporate world
furthering agendas that don’t have anything for you, ardee, me
and most of the other people in the world and you will think that
they will have a ‘revelation’ of sorts and repent and all will fall into
a cozy world for everyone. Evidence of actions say that will never
happen.

“An undisclosed number of civilians were killed.”
How come “undisclosed”?  Because we don’t bother to count them?  Or because the American people mustn’t know the carnage?  It is the death of those civilians that will cause us the most trouble because they are members of families where young boys have no proper schools but attend madrassas where they are filled with anti-American feelings, honed to join the “militants” a.s.a.p. It’s a job, they get paid, and they have a chance to become heroes.  The more Afghanis we kill, the more the “militants” increase. This is a known fact yet we persist.  Why?  Could it be because our young boys on the streets of LA have no jobs either—except if there is a war to fight somewhere?  What a detestable situation!

RE Ardee: “I would not add my name to Samosamo’s harsh and unfeeling glee at the death of human beings.”

I very much agree, Ardee.  Remarks like Samosamo’s are unsettling to say the least. They are the kind of thing that makes one wonder about the future of the human species. Everyone claims to be traveling on the high road, but it’s fairly obvious the bottleneck is on the lower one.

Here is what I don’t get.  We pay South America billions to exterminate coke and weed, though the supply in the states has never been more abundant or as cheap across the board.  We spend money on poison to destroy the countries around Columbia, though it hasn’t done a lick of good, but in Afghanistan, we allow them to produce as much heroin as they can because we don’t have an angle apparently.  How stupid are we as Americans to allow this facade go on any longer?  Bush/Obama whoever, we are not the U.S.A. any longer, and I doubt we have been for a long time.  I’m not sure if the Pentagon took over the Mob, or vice versa, but this sure is hell ain’t your Grandpa’s America any more.

Forgive the double posts or actually the triple post.

Hmm, I just tried to respond to ardee’s comment to me and it
appears it did not go through because of the ‘server is
down’ which reminds me of what the canadians have recently
been able to do and that is shut down several thousand web
sites while shutting down just two parody sites: see below.

So considering the malfunctioning of truthdig’s site of late I
am forced to consider that this may be happening here, but
again maybe not because it may just be someone fell asleep
at the truthdig site.

But to answer ardee, what you call harsh and gleeful is to me
just another bunch of people earning a ‘group’ darwin award
and I would say they earned it and deserved it and that there
will be not problem at all in the replacement of those agents
and also remember that what the cia does is done in our
name.

I also consider it an acceptable way of trying to reduce the
overload of 7,000,000,000 people on this planet which always
seems to be an untouchable sacred cow, so if you are too
disturbed, you can save them, but I think they deserve what
they earned.

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/News.php/2009/12/30/canadian-censorship-takes-down-4500-site

And again, this comment won’t go through!

Hmm, I just tried to respond to ardee’s comment to me and it
appears it did not go through because of the ‘server is
down’ which reminds me of what the canadians have recently
been able to do and that is shut down several thousand web
sites while shutting down just two parody sites: see below.

So considering the malfunctioning of truthdig’s site of late I
am forced to consider that this may be happening here, but
again maybe not because it may just be someone fell asleep
at the truthdig site.

But to answer ardee, what you call harsh and gleeful is to me
just another bunch of people earning a ‘group’ darwin award
and I would say they earned it and deserved it and that there
will be not problem at all in the replacement of those agents
and also remember that what the cia does is done in our
name.

I also consider it an acceptable way of trying to reduce the
overload of 7,000,000,000 people on this planet which always
seems to be an untouchable sacred cow, so if you are too
disturbed, you can save them, but I think they deserve what
they earned.

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/News.php/2009/12/30/canadian-censorship-takes-down-4500-site

Keep remembering folks, the Taliban are citizens of Afghanistan. OBush doesn’t want us to realize the distinction. He wants for us to think of them as ‘cowards’ and ‘terrorists’, just as Lyndon Blow Job wanted us to think of the V.C.

A report this morning over NPR: prospects of a regional expansion of the warfare into all of the Stans and a concomitant threat to the surface rail supply routes for American/Nato forces in Afghanistan. If that should occur and Russia and China refuse to get into the act and other Nato participants refuse to up the ante, the economic house of cards that is America will come into question as never before - i.e. - the fall of the House of George Washington/sold to America.

A dissolution of Lincoln’s Union.

The Pacific States of America can then form their own union and be rid of the red states forever and hallelujah! Neocons and lunatics alike can move east; progressives and believers in The Enlightenment can then move west to help institute a new, true millennium.

By ardee, December 31 at 7:37 am

You may consider it harsh and gleeful but when it comes
down to the operatives of america, who by the way, represent
all of us here in america and their work is basically done in
our name, then just like a group ‘darwin award’ these people
get what they have earned and though they are taken out of
the gene pool they are enthusiastically replaced by others and
so the never ending perpetuating horrors continue.

As a matter of fact, I can easily accept their demises as a
natural function of reducing the unimaginable overload of
7,000,000,000 people on this planet which just seems to be
another sacred cow that is supposed to be left alone and
never considered.

So, if it bothers you too much, you can save them.

8 spooks down.

you reap what you sow.

an eye for an eye.

you live by the sword you die by the sword…

and on and on.

Thank you Taliban Freedom Fighters !

One question…

what did these nasty spooks do before?

any of them “interrogators” at any black sites?

we should rejoice at the elimination of this vermin.

As a parting shot to 2009 I just have to do what I do best… point out the obvious.

If the CIA agents & associates were not in Afghanistan doing whatever they do behind the backs and knowledge of the American people, they would not have been blown up.

When you’re not where you should be you have no cause for complaint when something bad happens to you.

Americans have NO business even being in Afghanistan. Perhaps, eventually, the message YANKEE GO HOME! will sink through the wall of arrogance and ignorance to enlighten the American people to the fact that messing around in other people’s business is the actual CAUSE of their international grief.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not anti-American PEOPLE - but I sure am 100% against the corruption and greed that infects their governments, financial institutions and military-industrial complex. The Afghanis have their Taliban to deal with - Americans have their own Taliban - their elected representatives, who seem to me to be their worst enemy by far.

I was so sorry to hear about those 8 spooks that got blowed up—blowed up real good…..

But they knew the rules when they entered the “game”.  Their job was to kill people and the people they were trying to kill got them first…  No Biggie…..

Plus, their families won the lottery so to speak…
I’m sure they will continue to receive full pay and benefits for the rest of their lives thanks to Uncle Sucker….(that’s you and me folks)

So let’s not shed too many tears brothers and sisters…War is war and life goes on… Plus, they knew that Afghanistan was a snake when they picked it up…... God bless you and God bless America….

Much as I detest the actions of the CIA overall I would not add my name to Samosamo’s harsh and unfeeling glee at the death of human beings.

Good riddance, because the cia has never been any kind of
friend of the american republic because their true loyalties are
with corporate america.

Good, goddamn riddance If anyone thinks that the cia creeps are
doing anything to promote anything american at all because it is
all corporate driven.

The Northwest incident is one thing, but the more recent killing of eight CIA career officials is QUITE another. OBush will really be getting it (deservedly) from both ends of the spectrum on the latter incident.

I can’t recall such an incident during the Vietnam war. Yes, Charlie could slip through the perimeter wire, charge thru the darkness, toss explosive satchels at helicopters and run thru barracks doing the same. However, for an operative to casually get into an installation during the daytime without raising the slightest suspicion and knowing exactly where and when to go to take out eight agents at one go is fuckin’ AMAZING! No doubt politicos all over Washington will be calling the perpetrator a ‘coward.’ Ha!

Anyone who has served in a war zone knows better than that.