Inherit,

Considering you voted for that crazy cretin twice, I would rather NOT have your respect.

Moonraven:

Funny you should mention GW Bush. I have almost as much respect for you as I do for him….

Perhaps when people do not disagree with you, they agree.

Also, here is the story just in case TruthDig would like to re-do their copy.

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=5679&updaterx=2010-10-01+10:24:26

Inherit,

Feel better now?

Next time, use the bathroom.

You are about as clever as GW Bush.

I can’t decide who is more offensive. Latin and South American Marxists or Latin and South American Fascists.

Actually, with the Moonraven rants it’s clear it’s hard to tell the difference.

Both still adhere to the ancient tribal idea that you conquer and then slaughter the other guys as ‘evil’.

The Marxists blame the US for EVERYTHING that goes wrong and nothing that goes right, while they drive a Chevy, wearing Levis and drinking a Coke.

The Fascists blame the Marxists for everything while they are stealing it all hand over fist.

Oh, wait….In Latin and South America the Marxists steal it hand over fist just like the Fascists do.

And every time there’s a decent attempt at a democratic state, BOTH the Marxists and the Fascists have a zillion reasons to destroy it.

Not only is there no meaningful dialog here, but apparently nobody wants to read anyone else’s posts.

I mentioned a couple of posts ago that the model for yesterday’s coup attempt was exactly that used in Venezuela in April 2002.

The POINT is:  the insanity of doing exactly the same thing and expecting a different result!

“The Revolution Will Not Be Televised”

Same thing happened to Chavez. 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144#

Aaron,

No dialogue here.  I do not enter into meaningful dialogue with ringers and US “intelligence” (sic) shills.

Have a nice day someplace else.

moonraven, how do you expect me to want to dialogue with you if all you do are
ad-hominem attacks against me and not the actual data, the facts. When facts are
absent making statements is dishonest and irresponsible.

My point is, if anyone says anything without evidence, we should assume the
statement FALSE until proven true, not the other way around. This includes South
American presidents.

As you wish, I won’t say anything else.

Just a few quick comments, as the invasion of this site by republicans and crypto-falangists has rendered Truthdig little more than useless for purposes of progressive dialog.

1.  Aaron, you protest too much, are a CIA wanna-be and just plain tedious.  You see commies under the bed 60 years after that was in fashion.  Who are YOU to demand EVIDENCE—something revealed in LEGAL process—while an obvious coup is in progress?  Ever hear of investigation and due process?  Probably not, as you are too young to remember when the US went through the motions of presenting a state of law.

As an aside, Trotsky is back in fashion—not McCarthy.  Even here in rightwing US ass-licking Mexico.  Especially since you gringos caused a global “recession”, again.

2.  Posters demanding that a SPY organization be TRANSPARENT?  Haz me favor.  Where do you guys come from, anyway?

3.  I indicated on another site yesterday that this coup appeared to be the handiwork of ex-president Lucio Gutierrez, who has carried the ball for US interests since 2003—when he entered the presidency after passing himself off to voters as an Ecuadorian Chavez—and promptly attached himself like a succubus to the US rear guard.  I was in Quito in April of 2005 when his government finally fell, but he did a lot of damage in his just over 2 years in the power.  After a period of “exile”—where no country wanted him so he bounced around from one to another—he went back to Ecuador and formed a rightwing political party and has been trying to get back on the gravy train since then.  TeleSur showed Gutierrez’ attorney among the horde that invaded the public tv station last night and whooped it up like street thugs breaking windows, shoving staff around, etc.  Correa has attributed the coup to him.  So although he is too chickenshit to show his face and take responsibility, he’s getting his pathological need for attention met and is ready to hand in a big bill for services rendered to the US.

4.  What was really stupid in this coup attempt was that—only days after Chavez kicked the gringo stooges’ butts once again in Sunday’s election—the CIA and their Ecuadorian employees attempted a coup almost identical to the model used against Chavez in 2002—which FAILED—and yet they expected DIFFERENT RESULTS.  I believe that falls under the definition of insanity?

Oh well, all’s well that ends badly for the US is my motto.

Giordano is a very biased source.

There is no evidence of a coup here…only rhetoric. There may very well be a coup,
but there is no EVIDENCE. Saying there IS a coup is convenient for ALBA states
though, because it produces an alarm and an international response.

It is almost as if Correa wanted to become a martyr, or provoke a self coup. These
tactics are the same Manuel Zelaya used, when he compared himself with Christ
and urged his opponents to kill him. Melodramatic theatrics.

Four legs good two legs BAAAD.

Wow, Truthdig just becoming a tool of corporate propaganda. Just goes to show how ignorant Americans really are when it comes to Latin America.

What happened in Ecuador was obviously a coup attempt provoked by right-wing forces. Correa was not implementing any sort of “austerity measures,” he was simply restructuring the system to combat the kind of corruption very present in Latin American police forces (ask anyone living in Mexico). In fact, Correa has been INCREASING pay for normal police officers since he became presidnet.

Luckily, as in Venezuela in 2002, the masses took to the streets, challenged the coup and the president has been saved.

Some good reporting here by Al Giordano:

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/4138/coup-attempt-ecuador-result-sec-clintons-cowardice-honduras

Very few sites celebrate Trotsky on their main pages like aporrea.org does. Isn’t
that enough justification for my describing it as “borderline communist”?

I am merely stating fact, not trying to insult. I suppose it is better that they
celebrate him than Stalin. I don’t trust the international news, including
Venezuela’s. or the US’s.

You sir, are more than borderline fascist—that is clear.

How many commies are living under your bed?

I suggest you wait for CNN and Fox, as you clearly are a ringer on this site.

I am going home for the evening session of training Hezbollah recruits in my backpatio. Hah!

Bye, gringo goon squad member.

Aporrea.org is borderline communist, and Telesur is in Chavez’s pocket. Are there
any local media? Maybe some media with critical thinking and no party affiliation?

Yes they are—I moved on from the Ecuador media, as I am very familiar with their anti-Correa bias.

But those are Venezuelan media aren’t they?

I commented several hours ago on another site that I believe Lucio Gutierrez is heading the coup.  It won’t be the first time for him, either.

And he’s a sore loser.  I was in Quito in April of 2005 when his government fell—in his case, justifiably, I think—as he ran as an Ecuadorian version of Chavez and turned out to be an Ecuadorian version of Uribe.

I am watching news video on the ground in Quito and Guayaquil at the moment on the TeleSur site.  You can also check aporrea.org for updates.

Correa’s latest on TeleSur is to accuse Gutierrez.  Who has been given a LOT of money from the US government over the past 8 years or so.

Correa calls it a coup attempt, but where is the evidence? I had forgotten the
newspapers’ websites. Which are you reading?

Well, sir: It apparently has not occurred to you, despite your close eye on the media, that President Rafael Correa calls it a coup attempt.

And I have not had trouble accessing media inside Ecuador.

But then, I am fluent in Spanish—which does help.  Just as it did in the Honduras coup and just as it did in April 2002.

Thank you Truthdig for not joining the chorus of media screaming “COUP!”.

I am against any violence directed at Mr. Correa and his government and hope order is
reestablished soon. I hope he will have no further challenge of his authority.

I hope he will not take this opportunity to dissolve congress and rule by decree…a
most tempting action for him. I hope that the truth will be clear and that the news
from Ecuador will come out unbiased.

Unfortunately, Correa has shut down the national media altogether. Where is the
international condemnation? All stations, all media sources must show the government
channel indefinitely.

In Honduras, after the June 28 disaster there was a 3 day voluntary (or secret) media
silence…but nothing so severe as this. Hearing horribly biased and conflicting media
reports was confusing, but much better than only hearing the government news.

I hope Mr. Correa’s government will recover quickly, and order return to Ecuador. I
hope he will allow local news to come out, it much more accurate. I also hope no one
will believe Chavez and Evo Morales’s obsession with coup-de-etats.