Well Rico, it is going to be a big collapse from
the climate we know.

Do you believe that it is just going to be change?
Well, yes it will be a change, a big change after the
collapse.

ofer:

Well, my apologies. Your extraterrestrial syntax led me to believe that YOU had become Sarbanes’ Chief. Sorry for not being able to decipher your Rosetta Stone fragmentae.

Now about that thermostat…

ofer:

How about just plain, non-judgemental, “climate change”?

climate C O L L A P S E….....

it is great terminolgy Rico. What do you prefer?

I would have made to it #1 Rico, she always sat close to
me from the 1st grade.  She was an excellent student
and very worthy to be a Chief of Staff.  If my parents
would have got me glasses when the school system first ask
them to, it may have been different.  I had 20/200
vision from the time I entered the first until I finally
got glasses in the eighth grade.
By that time most of my bad habits from not being able
to follow the black board had set in, and I was, as
ITW , so rightfully pointed out, the clown.
  Today , my vision has much improved through the years
and haven’t lost a bit of my near sightedness, I can read
any print at any distance,  pretty good huh, Rico?

ofer:

Your use of the word “collapse” is the giveaway. Only someone who believes there is an “optimum” climatological state for the planet would term any deviation from that state as a “collapse”. You use the term “collapse” repeatedly to describe what is happening to the climate. I can only conclude that you view that as a bad thing. But it can only be a “bad” thing for Man if he is too proud and stubborn to go with the flow, like every other species on the planet must do, or perish.

“I know exactly who the fuck I am…” So do I- You’re the second most popular guy in your sixth grade class.

I have been telling you who I am RICO

I am the one that made to #2 on the boyfriend list
in the sixth grade of the girl that would eventually
wind up Senator Sarbanes Chief of Staff,

Thats as close as I got…..the next week Ricky Lloyd
beat me out for that spot, damn it,  Kenny would always
beat both of us out.

Zoe was Sarbanes daughter, and graduated with my sister
and they were friends.

There you go again Rico, putting words in my mouth
that I did not say..

  I have never uttered a word that Mother Nature owes
mankind any thing and

P.S.  I know exactly who the fuck I am…

are you of Cuban decent?

ofer:

“Collapse is referred to the climate that contributes
to the welfare and expansion of the human experience to one that will make it very hard for mankind to cope.”

Yes ofer, I understand exactly what you mean. I’m not an idiot. And I think you are being extremely selfish.

I am only asking, WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE THAT YOU THINK THE PLANET OWES MANKIND AN ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH IT CAN “COPE”? Humanity will evolve or die. Just like every other species that ever inhabited the planet. It’s that simple.

ofer:

By the way, still waiting for those Sarbanes and higher ed synopses. And, did you get that bolt out of that thermostat housing ok?

Collapse is referred to the climate that contributes
to the welfare and expansion of the human experience to
one that will make it very hard for mankind to cope.

  You are an idiot , Rico

The more you respond with your ad hom

attacks, the more of an idiot you make of yourself RICO.

It is also obvious you have very little education,
are an extremly narrow minded person.

ofer:

That was a pretty disquisition on tectonics. TOTALLY irrelevant to climate change (except that the occasional monster volcano causes temporary global cooling). Pretty, but irrelevant.

And “Been studying the Climate Collapse since 1982 RICO.” That’s what I mean! You use “Collapse”. Collapse from what, the human ideal? Your arrogant anthropocentrism is astounding.

What if it could be demonstrated that the majority of the species on this planet would benefit from warming, and that biodiversity would actually improve in a warmer world? I know for sure the vast majority of bacteria, insects and plants would LOVE to live in an Amazonian rather than an Antarctic world.

“We will probably not get real readings of the C02ppm
anymore.  Right now they have it on hold at about 390ppm. It is probably somewhere in the vicinity of 420ppm or better.  The powers that be already know that at 380ppm, the C02 hit the point of the curve that reaches to infinity,  a parabola,  which is all a bell curve is.” So “they” have stopped measuring CO2? Where did you get that info?

And now I know you never made it past the sixth grade: First, the curve you are describing is a hyperbola. Second, a parabola is NOT a bell curve: Yes, you can plot them on X-Y axes, and yes they are both symetrical, but they are generated by totally different formulae. A parabola is an open curve whose legs approach, but never become, parallel short of infinity. A bell curve merely depicts a distribution about a mean.

By the way, still waiting for those Sarbanes and higher ed synopses. And, did you get that bolt out of that thermostat housing ok?

Remember the song ,rico,  I was country before country
was cool…..........me too,  with many things….......

“Everything on this earth, especially the maintenance of
a viable environment for all living organisisms, is
totally dependent on the tectonic sysyem.  When the
tectonic system runs out of fuel and fails, the earth
will be a cold dead planet like Mars. Although evertything
on and in the earth is connected to everything else, only
those factors directly related to glaciation are
pertinent to this discussion.
  The tectonic system is a thermomechanical system. As
such, it is designed to work in conformance with al the
known laws governing such systems and in conformance
with all known physical characteristics of the materials
which comprise the system.  The system is also capable
of performing in a manner which produces the geological
structures which have been found on land and on the ocean
floor.
  if the tectonic system is to work, certain requirements
must be met.
  The crust must be supported by the hydraulic pressure
beneath it.
...................................”“”“”“”

Been studying the Climate Collapse since 1982 RICO

Your knowledge of the tectonic plates would be useful
to those studying climate and geology.

  They believe that pressure shifts on the plates
affect the tectonic plates….

  You should let them know different.

Don’t listen to Danny Glover, like him , but he has
become just another Dem apologist.
  If you would learn how to read and comprehend without
prejudice, you would see that nowhere did I say man
can control climate.
  In fact , if you reread those few posts , I believe
I am stating just the oppisite.

ofer:

Three points:
1. Glaciers advance by gravity. They retreat by melting or by calving icebergs.

2. “Once the massive evaporation gets started from the heat created from the greenhouse gases, climate deteriorates…” What do you mean “deteriorates”? Does the earth itself have an “optimum” climate, or do you mean from Man’s 72-degrees-and-balmy point of view? Has the Planet been evolving toward this present condition and away from the ice ages on purpose and should it now stop evolving? This is the hubris and arrogance I spoke of earlier regarding the climate debate. Who the hell do we think we are that we can control the Planet’s climate? It’s going to do what it’s going to do and WE are the ones who must adapt, NOT the Planet.

3. Tectonic plates aren’t affected by glaciers. You’ve been channeling Danny Glover too much.

By the way, still waiting for those Sarbanes and higher ed synopses. And, did you get that bolt out of that thermostat housing ok?

Just this past year, the Peruvian president was
talking about the melting ice on show capped mountains.

  Understanding this climate collapse is difficult,
especially with the information that we are being fed.

  We will probably not get real readings of the C02ppm
anymore.  Right now they have it on hold at about 390ppm.
It is probably somewhere in the vicinity of 420ppm or
better.  The powers that be already know that at 380ppm,
the C02 hit the point of the curve that reaches to
infinity,  a parabola,  which is all a bell curve is.

The earth was put in an ice age two million years ago.
It has alternated between glacial and interglacial periods
These cycles seem to come at a regular occurance of about
90,000 years of glacial advancement and 10k to 12k of
glacial retreat.  The C02 has played a major role in this.
During this time, the C02ppm has never approached the
levels that are in the atmosphere right now, so predicting
the future is impossible, BY ANYONE….................

By drilling into the ice cores from past glaciations,
it has been determined that there were “greenhouse”
gases prior to these events.

The heat created by the greenhouse gases is figured to
have supplied the tremendous amout of energy that it
takes advance the glaciers.

Once the massive evaporation gets started from the
heat created from the greenhouse gases, climate deteriorates at a very rapid pace.
This also changes the prssures on the tectonic plates
causing an increase in volcanic and earthquake activity.
While much as been made of the melting of the Arctic
ice, little is mentioned of the documented ice build up
in the Anarctic.
Common sense will give you this
Melting H20 +  rising temperature = evaporation
evaporation =  clouds
clouds   =  albedo
take it from there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I never google anything Rico, don’t have to.

Once again you show your failure of complex thinking,
the pending climate collapse will see strange weather
events worldwide, as I hope you are aware of.

Xntrk:

You got all that out of “Ooops”? Damn! You’re good!

ofer:

I see that St E’s lets you surf the net for things like “glaciation” and “Aztec”. Seems like you have Wikipedia figured out. Cool.

Peru is pretty much near the equator. I think. So polar cloud cover might be problematic to your argument. And there are a lot of Aztec reliefs that portray human sacrifice. I think. So maybe Cortez’s “secretary” might have gotten his info from them?

so left:

Ah, the compassionate progressive. Explain to me EXACTLY how you differ from the run of the mill racist southern skinhead redneck.

” Glaciation is an acceleration of the normal process
of using evaporated water to carry excessive heat energy
from warm zones to cold zones.  The greenhouse effet
of an increase in atmospheric C02 is to increase cloud
cover over polar latitudes.  The clouds have a cooling
effect as will as providing the snow for glaciation.
The energy is dissipated in arctic space.
  Glaciation occurs whenever the soil minerals left by
the last glacial period are used up and the plant life
can no longer regulate the C02 by growing faster in
response to an increase in C02 in the air. Forests are
the major factor in C02 control.”

Rico isn’t alone…

There are many that have what i like to refer to as the

A Z T E C   S Y N D R O M E

you see, Cortez’s secretary made the only historical
record we have about the Aztecs.

At the time of Cortez’s conquest of the Aztecs, there
were many human rights organizations working in Spain
to put an end to the Spanish atrocities in the New World.
What better way to cover your ass than the
mass human sacrifice story that Cortez had his secretary
record.  The whole world believed this, because they
wanted to believe this since so much wealth was being
brought back to Europe because of the mass genocides
committed by the Spanish..

It was ,  now you gave us a “FEEL GOODER”  reason to
support the genocide.  With no fact or verification,
just like today…..

note to rico,

shrivel up and die, really… please just die. the wold will be a brighter place

Good point Xntrk

He is mindless and cares little of human struggles.

Rico, are you of Cuban decent?

and Rico, I can educate you also on the pending
climate collapse too, as I have attempted to educate
your pea brain on other issues.

PREVIEW YOUR COMMENT FOR:
DROPPING TEMPERATURES TAKE TOLL IN PERU

The reporter obviously flunked science as -24C [roughly
minus 75 degree Fahrenheit] NOT

-24C = approx minus 11 Fahrenheit

rico, suave;
Your compassion seems to equal your perception of what it means to be ‘suave’. I assume your mind and mouth are directly connected to your butt-hole, with no connection to your heart.

Climate disasters are increasing, and it the poor and the children who suffer first. Seems a shame, since we have a surplus of well-off asses who would benefit from a bit of hardship. It might remind them of their humanity [if any]...

Note to Al:

Ooops!