who’s naïve?

It seems to me all the propaganda about Libya over the years has had much in common with we’ve always been told about Castro/Cuba.  An honest assessment of Cuba has to take into account the fact that there was almost continuous foreign interference and meddling that had to be fought against.  It is worth considering that much of what these regimes get accused of in terms of human rights violations and lack of political freedom may in fact speak directly to their own efforts at self defence. 

That the Western powers have been playing games throughout Africa and the ME all these years, covert games that we aren’t meant to hear about or put into context, would necessitate a fellow like Quadaffi having to be on the lookout 24/7.

I still hear people going on about how the entire population of Cuba lives in fear in a thoroughly dark and economically repressed police state.  Propaganda is amazing stuff isn’t it?  I guess Castro is just lucky he hasn’t been sitting on a measurable fraction of the worlds light sweet crude all this time.

Interesting Vid PatrickHenry.  And I concur - Fuck Nato.

Time some folk caught up with what has been known for a year or more about Lockerbie:

In an exclusive interview earlier this week with Gordon Brewer of the BCC’s Newsnight Scotland, Dr. Hans Koechler (U.N. Observer at the trial) said that the withholdin­g of evidence by the investigat­ors and the Prosecutio­n from the Defense at the Lockerbie court is a serious breach of the fundamenta­l norms of a fair trial….
It is noteworthy that now – more than six years after Dr. Koechler’s first report – more and more details emerge that confirm the UN observer’s original doubts:
http://i-p-o.org/IPO-nr-Lockerbie-5Oct07.htm

Megrahi was released because his appeal was about to expose perjury and false evidence at his original trial. This has been admitted “off the record” by Scottish authoritie­­s:

The trial of the “Lockerbie bomber” was worse than a travesty of justice. Evidence that never came to court proves his innocence

http://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics/2009/09/pilger-megrahi-justice

The Maltese shopkeeper who had identified al-Megrahi, Tony Gauci, turned out to be living in Australia, supported by several million dollars the Americans had paid him for his evidence.

The allegation the timer for the bomb had been supplied to Libya by the Swiss manufacturer Mebo turned out to be false. The owner of Mebo, Edwin Bollier, revealed that he had turned down an offer of $4 million from the FBI in 1991 to testify that he had sold his MST-13 timers to Libya.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10592921

FAMILIAR PROCESS..IRAQ AND SADDAM OUR FRIEND THAN WHEN
CONVENIENT OUR WORST ENEMY…NEEDING TO BE BOMBED BACK TO
SUMER..THEN THE OIL HAD TO BE PROTECTED…THEN WE HAD TO
OCCUPY…BUSHS SHADOW RULES..

Lafayette,

“This article needs additional citations for verification”

From your Wiki source.  But since when did
facts get in the way of official propaganda especially when getting in the way of illegal regime change.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q11R56Y0Dx4

9 minutes but worth it.

MCRN: pimping the NATO line about Libya and refusing to report on the unknown amount of innocent civilians killed by the NATO bombings.

Compared to what ... the 259 who died in the PanAm flight that ended in Lockerbie? Or the 170 who lost their lives in UTA Flight 772 that was bombed out of the sky over Chad, also attributed to him?

Or how about the assassination of his political enemies throughout his regime? Or the 1000 estimated dead during this present revolution?

He’s got a lot under his belt, see here.

You are naive ...

According to the english version of Al jazeera Former U.S. assistant
secretary of state David Welch advised the Libyan leader Muammar
Gadhafi in August on how to overpower rebels fighting to end his 42-
year rule, citing documents found in Tripoli.

Welch, who brokered a deal to restore diplomatic ties between the U.S.
and Libya in 2008, made the advice at a meeting with officials from the
Gadhafi regime at a Cairo hotel on August 2, 2011, according to the
television report.

It claimed that Welch suggested several “confidence-building
measures.”

The alleged document records his advice on how to undermine Libya’s
rebel movement, with potential assistance from foreign intelligence
agencies, including Israel.

As PatrickHenry aptly put it. Go figure.

BlueDog

Don’t bother telling that to Amy Goodman. She has been far too busy refusing to have Cynthia MccKinney on her show, when the former Congresswoman and presidential candidate was actually in Libya. Oh and of course Amy Goodmann was far too busy pimping the NATO line about Libya and refusing to report on the unknown amount of innocent civilians killed by the NATO bombings.

RE: The United States and Britain were interested in any detail Libya could
provide about al Qaeda.

too rich to scipt, considering…  http://tinyurl.com/3bxak8v

CIA once handed key Libya rebel figure to Kadafi, documents show

A few years ago, documents show, Abdel-Hakim Belhadj was a wanted Islamic
militant whom the CIA handed over for ‘debriefing’ to the government of Libyan
leader Moammar Kadafi, a ‘war on terror’ ally.

By Patrick J. McDonnell and Ken Dilanian, Los Angeles Times
September 4, 2011, 5:51 p.m.
Reporting from Tripoli, Libya, and Washington — The sometimes odd
contortions of U.S. policy in the Islamic world have seen a new twist in the
strange case of Abdel-Hakim Belhadj.

Today, Belhadj is a top military commander in the provisional Libyan
government and Kadafi is on the run, his government toppled, in part, by U.S.
and allied airstrikes.

[...]

correction: in large part due to US and allied airstrikes - without NATO’s bombing campaign, there is no rebel military success, and it’s still questionable, in light of the massive propaganda campaign - Libya’s Loyalist Patriots are down, but not out, and many are determined to undermine the so-called rebels and prevent the imperialist carptebaggers from getting any toehold in their country - any Europeans and/or Americans daring to set up shop in Libya, better show up with beaucoup body guards, massively armored vehicles and iron-clad life insurance policies… just sayin’

Yuck!

Go figure.