odd—- bless your uncle…

.and if I’m correct, someday there’ll be a little bit of Snowball in Hell.

IMax - Thanks for proving my point. Now where would you like to be tortured?

hetero’, cute:
Orwell’s Snowball, I get it.
You know, they do use pig valves and such in open heart surgeries. 
My uncle had one, got by with it for about 20 years. 
Passed last year at 90.

mrfreeze, - “I’ve identified the enemy and make no (apologies) about my position.”

-

I do understand your position, Mr. Cheney.  I simply disagree with you.  I think there’s a better way.

IMax - Unlike you, I know what I believe. I’ve identified the enemy and make no apologizes about my position. I’m sorry you have a problem with “clarity.” If you remain unclear about your own views, I suggest you visit the nearest “moral compass store” and purchase one.

mrfreeze,

Is there not a true dichotomy in your words?  By emulating Mr. Cheney (un-apologetically, you say) you protest his views.

Essentially you’re saying, as did Mr. Cheney, these are acceptable behaviors if practiced for the proper cause(s).

what do we know about the donor———-

three years old, was named Snowball and was somewhat less equal than others.

What do we know about the donor??

Saw an online bumper sticker yesterday:
Bush-Cheney 2012

Ahaaaa!  April 1 must be just around true corner.

Mike—- try not to confuse the friggin insurance companies with the healthcare
system….

I know that THEY encourage that confusion, but I spent a bunch of time working in
a hospital with the largest proportion of uninsured/impoverished people in the
catchment area…..and we delivered pretty fine care for those folks, despite having
to work like crazy just so that we would end the year not too far in the red.

No, Hetero, I haven’t worked in healthcare but I sure have been on the receiving end of it, both with and without insurance (before and after). I’ve also been screwed over by healthcare trying to reject my insurance because I (at that time, 25 years ago) worked for a chiropractic firm. I had to go to the state insurance commissioner. I’ve been shuttled from the teaching staff healthcare to the graduate care even though I was paying debit card - because I no longer had insurance. I know those looks from the healthcare people. Maybe, from your comment, work or worked in healthcare. Maybe you don’t know what you look like from the receiving end of it. And I am not the only one. I’ve traded enough notes with enough friends who used to have fully-paid good insurance when either that insurance turned out no good, or they lost jobs and, sooner or later, the insurance.

Pardon me for being a little cynical about today’s health care. My grandfather was a doctor and in the 30s took items in trade for care. Even took in a couple of pigs at one time, a red and a white one. And he made and sold cosmetics on the side to make ends meet. I still remember doctors making house calls when I was a kid. No more, it seems.

Mike—- I guess you’ve never worked in healthcare or you wouldn’t be painting
with such a broad brush and smearing some dubious stuff on the board here.

Hetero, and others on the same wave - we DO already have a healthcare system which denies care to those considered bad persons. Anyone without enough money for health insurance is automatically considered a bad person. The same with anyone otherwise disqualified by insurance companies for some particular treatment. People are placed in such “bad person” categories just for wanting care and not being rich. This is about equating less money as less moral. Cheney was big on that kind of judgement. He should have been given nothing as direct payback for what he gave to millions - an ugly gift which is still giving.

bernie—- Manning can look forward to at least a couple of years of intensive
therapy paid for by the government…....

it’s gonna be provided FREE for Bradley Manning.

DICK CHENEY HAD A HEART?

IMax - Mr. Cheney “condemned himself” through his deeds and the deeds of those who believe in and, by default carried out his evil.

You (and the rest of you “personal responsibility” types) should embrace his condemnation.

I find it incredibly hypocritical of people who, for 20 years now have criticized, lambasted and hated-on Cheney for his vile nature, but now want to sit around and do a “revival meeting” for the bastard. Perhaps more of you need to be a little more honest with yourselves and admit that you’re all going to give him a pass…....I guarntee he would not do the same for you.

Ain’t that government run health care great? FREE BRADLEY MANNING!!!!!

“when I identify those who are my enemies, I wish them ill….and worse.” - mrfreeze

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So be clear here.  The best way to condemn Mr. Cheney is to emulate your perception of him?  Torture and kill thine enemy?

Of course you and I both know this is not the first time you’ve rejoiced over another’s pain, and worse. Not for reasons of war or torture but, rather, simply advocating a different perspective.  Those others failed to walk like you, talk like you, look like you.

I sincerely hope Mr. Cheney a fast a full recovery.  And if you should find yourself in the same predicament, be assured I have your back too.

mrfreeze:

Actually, I just got in “trouble” with one of the socio-politically wedsites I post to for tacitly wishing Adolf Eichmann a “happy birthday” (he was simply included in a list of famous - and infamous - people whose birthday fell on that day).  LOL.  Ultimately, however, the owner of the site saw my point - even if he did not entirely agree with it.

Peace.

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Maani - No, I am an atheist. I do not “love” those responsible for the deaths, mainming, torture and oppression of millions of other human beings. One might as well wish Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini and any number of other monsters good health.

probably not, dog. hamas wouldn’t send one to an infidel.

Q: was it harvested in Gaza?

would anyone here like to have a healthcare system that excluded people because
they’re widely thought to be bad persons?

mrfeeze:

I am guessing you are not a Christian.  (LOL)  The reason I say this is because Jesus is VERY clear on this point:

“Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.”

Admittedly, this is almost unquestionably the most difficult “commandment” that Christians are asked to live by.  For my part, I try to do so to the best of my (imperfect, human) ability.

Peace.

Let me just say this:

Part of being a concrete, existing human being is accepting one’s shortcomings. One of mine happens to be that when I identify those who are my enemies, I wish them ill….and worse. I don’t coddle them in a cloud of philosophical “niceness.” Cheney deserves no compassion or good will.

Hey, it’s one of my fatal flaws….I stand by it.

mrfreeze:

I can’t believe I’m doing this (LOL), but I must agree with IMax here.  One does not need to support all the skullduggery, nastiness and wrongdoing of a person simply to wish them well after a medical procedure.  I am second to none in my disgust and anger over Mr. Cheney’s actions and policies.  But I nonetheless wish him well with respect to his current medical situation.

This is not cognitive dissonance.  This is learning how to get past the “sins” and “love” the person.  (Though, of course, I use the word “love” VERY loosely here…LOL.)

Peace.

No, I don’t follow evil men such as Cheney (and suck-a apologists such as you) into those dark places which he took this country. Quite the contrary: It’s because of cowards such as you (and millions of other Americans who “bought into” the lies, the torture, the rationalizations, the bullying and the total lack of a moral compass)that millions of lives have been lost or ruined, that $4+ trillion have been squandered, that our nation has lost its reputation, that the interests of corporate monsters rule….I could go on. IMax, you’re definitely not the kind of person I’d want watching my back.

mrfreeze,

When a man or woman endures a heart transplant I wish them well.  It would be hypocritical of me to wish only my friends, or people I happen to agree with, a full recovery after such an ordeal.

Some people lead.  You’re a good follower.

Why would anyone give a war criminal like Cheney a heart? I’m hoping for what they call a negative outcome in his case.

I put this on Huffington Post but I don’t expect to see it show up. This is the first paragraph, basically addressed to their censors. I also added in the paragraph I put up on this site yesterday (starting with “For someone with that much blood and ...”). I don’t really expect HuffPo to let it run, not impossible but ..., after looking at the comments as they are. ===

“Wow. This is like the 99-percent vote for dictators in a tyrannical country. I’ve never seen so much positive response for a heartless (not as a pun) individual, or one so evil. Clearly these comments have been scrubbed by HuffPo censors (you are not really moderators any more). How cheap you must feel. The Cheney article has been removed from the front page, small headline only on the health page and taken totally to the Health News section (third place away). HuffPo is now truly dark.”

=== I went back and read more on HuffPo. The few anti-Cheney comments were either double or triple coded to get past or very gentle chidings. Taken as a body the comments strike me as the kind of get-well cards a subjugated population might send to their murderous dictator - or at least the ones the propaganda media would print and broadcast.

IMax -Wow, did you cut and paste your comment from HP? I’ve always considered your commentary shallow at best. Now we know you’re so devoid of intelligence that you have to plagiarize from the dummies at HP. Go figure….

I wish Mr. Cheney a quick organ rejection and a painful, elongated demise…...

From his views on the power of the Presidency, energy policy, and choice for Secretary of Defense.  I cannot count the number of issues on which I steadfastly disagreed with Mr. Cheney.

I hope the man a speedy recovery and all my best to his family in this anxious and difficult time.

Maani:

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/one-for-my-master-one-for-my-dame/

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/sing-it-out/

Birch…. do you assume that he received a human heart rather than one less likely
to be rejected by his body?

If anyone is surprised by HP, you haven’t been paying attention.
It was bad before the merger and worse now. Of course, we are
not supposed to say anything mean about Dicky boy. We are all
supposed to make nice and pretend he was a good ‘ol boy. He is
a sorry excuse for a human being and it is perfectly o.k. to say
so. It is a shame that someone gave up their heart to keep that
SOB alive, when it could have been used by someone more
deserving.

May Cheney live for another hundred years

and may he spend the last 95 of them in prison.

Of course we can all sit back and relax a little—because of the obvious difference
of scale (if for no other reason.)  Cheney had a lot more opportunity than most of
us.  But then that raises the next question, of course:  What if we had had the
same horrendous opportunities?  Would we have done better?  Or worse? Or about
the same?  The choices are not all that multiple when you stop to think about it.

People who spent too long in Iraq (that might be anywhere from 5 minutes to 5
years depending on circumstances)  are still killing other people in Afghanistan
while in one way or another having some aspect of their sustenance provided by
one or another of Cheney’s ““private enterprises” that are helping to pay for his
medical expenses so “the government” doesn’t have to do it ” (?)  Long way around
any number of Robin Hood’s barns, but no matter how you figure it, there ain’t no
justice.—unless we make it happen, that is. But even then who can be sure?

How comes there’s no update on Cheney’s condition from the procedure on
Sat.?  There’s just repeated spinning and apologia that the transplant issue is
with his age along with the suggestion that things are A-OK now, as if his
wealth and political connections had nothing to do with it or his survival is a
done deal.

Never mind that last year (Dec. ‘11) he said he would consider a transplant,
omitting he was on a wait list.  The coverage is murky, to say the least.  I know
there are privacy issues, but so far his ticker transplant has been steeped in the
usual secrecy that surrounded his vice presidency. 

You’d think he was doing swimmingly afterwards; though anyone no matter
their age, would hardly be out of the danger zone yet.  But it really ain’t over
until the fat lady stops singing.  Will her final selection be ” Nearer My God ( or
Satan) to Thee” or “That Man is too Damned Mean to die”?

Maani - No kidding about HP. They’ve been posting nothing but “he served his country” twaddle down the commentary thread. I challenged them to post what I wrote…not a chance:

“I wish more of you would be both morally and intellectually honest about Cheney: he has been the architect of some of the most a-moral, immoral and destructive policies conceived and carried-out by our country in its history. You’re not going to get any well-wishes from me Mr. Cheney. I sincerely hope you never fully recover from your surgery and that, when the day finally comes that you meet the Ferryman at the River Styx, he throws you overboard midstream, because you deserve don’t deserve respect on this earth nor in the underworld. Go quickly into that dark night….......................really, go quickly!!!

“So much for there being a God!”

Isn’t it a bit premature to give up on your faith?  I mean, with his medical history
he’s not exactly a promising candidate for a transplant compared to the others
waiting.  He’s not out of the woods or maybe even the ICU yet. 

If Cheney doesn’t make it for long afterwards, a good discussion on medical ethics
should follow.

Patrick: LOL.

NCLib: No surprise re HuffPost.  They also have a zero tolerance policy for articles - or even any discussion - of 9/11 Truth.  I was asked personally by Ariana to blog for HuffPost (this was prior to the merger).  I had planned to, but when a friend of mine who used to blog for them put up an article on 9/11 Truth, and had it deleted by the editors - and I subsequently found that they do not allow discussion of any sort related to 9/11 Truth - I decided not only not to blog, but will not even look at HuffPost anymore.

Peace.

I hope the change of heart changes his heart about taking us to war.

Maybe this new heart came from a person capable of empathy and decency.

So much for there being a God!

Anyone who wants to make “zombie” jokes, feel free. There’s just not that many opportunities where the guy truly is evil and really is undead.

My grandmother used to say:  “The good die young, but those whose hearts
        are dry as summer’s dust, burn to the socket.”  That may apply to
        Cheney ... but I am chagrined to have to confess that it also applies
        to me at 98!  Birds of a feather?

For someone with that much blood and hatred on his hands it just seems horribly unjust. His millions of victims didn’t get such a chance and won’t. And yet people are so short sighted as to wish this man well just because he was sick physically. But because of him hundreds of thousands (at minimum) are dead, millions are displaced, untold numbers are poor, hungry, sick, and still ignorant, still believing the Iraqis attacked the World Trade Center, still believe in yellowcake and on and on. The absolute evil this man instigated in his position of power continues to murder and maim people and countries and remove affordable health care for tens of millions - care he just received courtesy of the US government for a former VP. In more ways than one he has removed life from others for himself and his aggrandizement. I cannot wish him well, at all.

Cheney + heart = oxymoron.

He wasn’t a good candidate for a heart transplant when you take into consideration his age (71 yrs)
and past history of recurring heart attacks.  How many younger and healthier
candidates who stood a far better chance of a prolonged life,  immune system
acceptance of the heart, and with a significantly less history of heart failure were
passed over?  Maybe this should be a reminder of how money and connections
play into medical treatment and survival. 

If there really is metaphor to sickness, how likely is it that a heartless individual
can accept the heart of another?  Or metaphor aside, can’t age and debilitation
make a recovery less possible? Whether he survives very long after the procedure
or not, the debate will linger whether he is/was an appropriate candidate for
someone else’s heart.

The new heart probably wondered, “What is this cold dark place where I’m entrapped?”

If you go over to Huffington Post, under their Cheney-transplant story, they aren’t letting one negative comment through (I’ve tried).  It’s as though they invited only comments from National Review readers.

He should have died!!!