bear: Found an article you might be interested in - assuming you can read - LOL

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1162455.html

You know bear, you’ve got the Hasbarah down pat. Ain’t even gunna try to learn you real history. Just know that there is no nation on the planet that agrees with you - ‘cept the (Neo-)Zionist entity.

This cub ain’t never gunna call you Daddy.

To Calabashe

First off about Gaza they got what they deserved
After Israel left the strip in 2005 , did the gazaians start building a new nation , No they started firing on Israel. So Israel fired back big time in late 2008. In essence the Gazaians are guilty of violating the laws of common sense in essence if you are a 100 pound weakling you don’t pick a fight with Mike Tyson.

Also why are you upset about Gaza , as a Hamas MP stated on TV ” we ( the palestinians) seek death like you ( Israel) seek life” Here in Tennessee if someone finds what they were seeking we are happy for them , so you should be happy for the people of GAZA , should you not.

Second the Jew are the true indigenous people of the land because every time an archaeologist digs into the ground he finds Jewish artifacts.

third every nations has the right to kick out invaders which the so called palestinians are

... and there’s no such thing as a Palestinian - according to Golda Meir.

So according to your “truth,” the Neo-Zionists have the right to act like Nazis towards the indigenous population?

According to your “truth,” Israel’s signature on international treaties - 4th Geneva Convention, in particular - only applies when convenient?

According to your “truth,” it’s perfectly acceptable to use the people in the Gaza Ghetto as target practice?

What? Are you from Texas?

Never said there was a Palestinian state, in fact until the PA gets its own she-it together, it may have to go back to Jordan for a while.

To Calabashe

Zionist Talking points AKA THE TRUTH

Calabashe

You keep ignoring the fundamental point

All the current so called peace plans have one theme in common , in essence turn the clock back to May 1967. However the fundamental flaw in that is may 1967 the nation of Palestine did not exist.

So in essence you are trying to return to something that never existed in the first pace

Sorry Leefeller, Didn’t mean to ignore, “So were are all the settlements we keep hearing about being built?”

All of the settlement colonies built beyond the Green Line are considered “internationally illegal,” according to the 4th Geneva Conventions. The GOI offers tax breaks and other incentives for Israelis who move into Palestinian territory. Many colonists are hardcore Neo-Zionists who regularly harass and attack indigenous Palestinians. Other colonists are there for the cheaper prices and the incentives and get along well with their Palestinian neighbors.

The issue of Palestinian “Right of Return” is likely to be settled in connection with how many Israelis will be allowed to apply for Palestinian residency.

According to the Geneva Accord, Israel will likely be allowed to keep some major population centers like Gush Etzion and Ariel. The Accord proposes a 1:1 land ration exchange for these centers.

bear: Thank you for presenting Neo-Zionist talking points so eloquently.

Check the map - your proportions of 1947 are wrong. (sic)

Those proportions are more reflective of the first 2-state proposal - The Peel Commission circa 1936.

http://www.passia.org/palestine_facts/MAPS/1938-british-partition-plan.html

Leefeller: It is always difficult to share information presented as argumentative emotion.

I coined the term Neo-Zionist to distinguish the perversion of Zionism’s original intent, which I think was noble if not always kosher. The Neo-Zionist is very much akin to the American Neo-Con. Both are blinded by extreme Right ideology. However, the Neo-Zionist’s have gone so far as to follow much the National Socialist playbook in dealing with THIER particular set of hated “niggers” - the Palestinians.

The Geneva Accord was negotiated by teams lead by Dr. Yossi Beilin for the Israelis - since labeled self-loathing by the Neo-Zionists - and Yasser Abed Rabbo for the Palestinians. At the time of the plan’s formal presentation, December 2003, it had 71% approval from the Israeli street and 57% from the Palestinian street.

Calabashe, thanks for the enlightenment.

This blog seems so strange to me, I have not been called a Zionist yet? Plus have not seen the blatant bigotry usually found on blogs covering this subject, in the past one usually finds this subject a propagation site for food fight material?

The maps seem helpful, the last one on the table is not one Israel prefers I suppose, especially since the neighbors are proposing it? So were are all the settlements we keep hearing about being built?

Trying to understand the moving of people from their homes seems to challenge reason itself?

To Calabashe

First off the 1947 split was 82/18

second 1949 cease fire line aka the green line was not Repeat not an internationally recognized border because the Arab states would not agree to it as the border.

Third the land known in the west as the “west Bank”
was claimed by Jordan after the 1949 war.

4th the Palestinians did not claim the ” west bank”
as Palestinian land until 1968

The Original PLO charter of 1964 stated that the west bank was Jordanian land

5th the peace treaty between Jordan and Israel in 1994 states that except for a small part of land around Ramahalla and the dome of the rock tha west bank is to be under Israel control.

so the west bank is Israels so deal with it

Below is a link to a map comparing the UN Partition (1947) to the gains Israel made as a result of the War for Independence. The Green Line is formally known as the Rhodes Armistice Line.

http://www.passia.org/palestine_facts/MAPS/1947-un-partition-plan-reso.html
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Next is the link to what Barak (Ehud) brought to Clinton’s Camp David. This so-called 95% deal leaves Palestine divided into unconnected cantons, Ghettos.

http://www.passia.org/palestine_facts/MAPS/wbgs_campdavid.html
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This link is a map of the Geneva Accord (or Initiative) accepted by a majority of the Palestinian and Israeli streets. It is well within the intent as voiced by The Beirut Declaration a.k.a. the Saudi Proposal a.k.a. the Arab Initiative. It would likely be at the heart of any American plan as recently suggested by the White House.

http://www.geneva-accord.org/mainmenu/geneva-initiativeisrael-palestine-permanent-borders

@ driving bear:

Who said I’m upset? I don’t have a dog in this fight.

How would you feel if the U.N. mandated 18% of the continental U.S. to the aboriginals of land? What if it mandated 82% to the aboriginals and only 18% to the European, Asia, African, and other ethic groups that have immigrated here since colonial times? Do you realize that by condoning that U.N. mandate you have in effect given landlord rights to the U.N.? Doesn’t that fly in the face of your bible mythology and Amurika furst newthink?

Then there’s the “who is a real Jew?” question because according to the New Testament book commonly known as the Apocalypse a real Jew is only a Jew that has accepted Jeebus. According to that same book those Jews who haven’t accepted Jeebus are sons of Satan. Ain’t that right?

And your history is way off the mark. Israel ceased as a nation around 720 BCE when the Assyrians ripped them a new one and dispersed all of the then ten tribes throughout the Assyrian empire. The Roman Empire—almost 2,000 years ago—did the same thing with the religiously fanatical and very troublesome Kingdom of Judah (the Jews). So then, the Arabs didn’t invade the land. They have always been there and simply became the dominant group of Homo sapiens. You might recall someone named King Herod? He wasn’t a Jew. And it was the Roman Empire that changed the name of the area from Judah—because there was no more Judah—to the name that the area is presently known by, Palestine —after the Philistines (of Philistia), an even older group of Homo sapiens that called it their homeland. 

So tell me, how long do you think it will be before you Christians claim all rights to the so-called holy land and start killing Jews for Jeebus again?

Leefeller, I’ve got a better, more accurate, comparison for you. Palestinians are sort of like European Jews under National Socialism - short of the death camps.

“So Israel is moving the Palestinians out of Israel is that what all the fuss is about?”

The fuss is that no nation on this planet recognizes the West Bank, including occupied al Quds (East Jerusalem) as being Israel.

Careful there bear, assigning stereotypical singular thought to all Jews is the root of anti-Semitism. There are orthodox sects who think modern Israel should have never come into being. The Israeli street is pretty much split down the middle as to peace along the lines of the Geneva Accord (not to be confused with the 4th Geneva Conventions) or ethnic cleansing a la the National Socialist approach – short of the Death Camps.

The first two-state solution, which did reflect your percentages, was made circa 1936. Both sides rejected such plans until 1947 when the Zionists had no choice because Zionist terrorists – Irgun and Stern Gang, successfully drove out the British. Consider the King David Hotel, the British Officer’s Club and the Jerusalem Rail Depot among other targets. The region would have become a vacuum. The UN Partition gave the Zionist a recognized base of operations.

The UN Partition (1947) was about 50-50 in land percentages. The Arabs (Palestinians, Jordanians, Egyptians, et al) rejected that and went to war. During what Israelis call the War for Independence, Israel gained territory. Such a thing was internationally legal until 1949 when the 4th Geneva Conventions – to which Israel is a signature – outlawed colonization of territory occupied as a result of war. Neo-Zionist policies, including this new expulsion rule also violates the same conventions concerning treatment and protection of the indigenous population of occupied territory.

I give you that Israel was located in a very hostile neighborhood and still has very real legitimate security concerns. Yet today all 22 (?) Arab nations are willing to fully recognize and cooperate with Israel, including on security issues, if they withdraw to the last internationally recognized border, (The Green Line) even with anticipated adjustments.

Consider that Israel’s adversaries (enemies) advocate the removal of the (Neo)-Zionist regime and not the State of Israel or the extermination of Jews.

Looking at the map, looks like Palestine lost the war?

So Israel is moving the Palestinians out of Israel is that what all the fuss is about? Guess the Palestinians are sort of like the Native Americans of the Middle East?

Some compassion by Israel would be a nice peace offering.  Maybe peace is not an option when kicking someone off land they lost in a war, maybe the Palestinians could open up casinos?

Seems I have no answers just questions.

To Nemesis 2010

Why are u upset , Israel agreed to the palestinians terms to dividing the land .
In 1947 when the UN divided the land giving 82% to the palestinians and 18 % to Israel, the Palestinians rejected this and said ” we will determine the borders on the battlefield., and guess what the Jews said O.K.

To the others I respond with a quote from Jewish talk show host Tamar Yonah ” Allah IS A Zionist”

This is a perfect example of why Israel doesn’t define its borders. It is determined to seize all the land that “god gave to them.”

Any revenge seeking Palestinian need only be patient and do nothing because now that a precedent has been set it won’t be long before the Jews’ new found lovers—the evangelical Christians—will make the same claims for the same patch of god-forsaken ground. They’ll trump the Jews’ claim using the Book of the Revelation—written by an unknown Jew-hating Jew—which says that real Jews are only those that believe in Jeebus.

I can see it all now; the messiah—Sarah Palin or George W. Bush—mounted on her white horse, leading the crusade for the holy land and Jeebus, driving both Jew and Muslim into the sea. History repeats, doesn’t it?

Religion is the bane of humanity!

Israel dost not seem to care about world sentiment, emulating the good old USA in this regard.

What of the cooler heads in Israel as what of the cooler heads in Palestine? Cooler heads have no or little input it seems for fanatics as crap dost float to the top just like in the cesspool.  Speaking of cesspools,  the cooler heads in the USA, were ignored in the made haste to attack Iraq!

As a plumber, I have seen a few cesspools in my time!

Sounds like the government in Israel is getting frantic.  Frantic is dangerous.  Calling all peace-minded diaspora Jews to come to the aid of that long-hoped-for free, open, democratic Israel full of self-aware, wise people who have many valuable contributions and talents to contribute to a world badly in need of healing.

Another example of why the Israeli government needs to be overthrown and replaced with a democratic, pluralistic one.

Yeah, Israel will handle this and we’ll let the Americans handle Iran just like Iraq.

Ah! A Christian Neo-Zionist who believes after all the Palestinians are expelled and a 7th century architectural masterpiece is destroyed, Christ will return, huh?

You know Revelations is a story of a world descended into such madness that the world needs to end. It’s not so much that Christ will return, as it is we will join Him. In an instant the old world will disappear and a new world will replace it. Heaven. I’m not ready for planet-cide.

The sad part, IMHO, is that the entrenched Neo-Zionist regime is really pissing off people all around the world and the anger manifests itself in anti-Semitism against Jews in Israel and in Diaspora who also don’t agree with the Israeli government.

Thank God it’s about time Israel expels the foreign Arab invader from their land

One cannot be “deported” from one’s homeland. One can only be exiled.

The Khanist sect of Neo-Zionism advocates all the Palestinians should “deported” as in loading up boxcars if necessary.

There are cooler heads in Israel but I’m afraid they haven’t prevailed for quite sometime.