If we are to have a death penalty, might as well have an economic one.

By mike112769, April 25 at 9:31 pm #

Hey William W. Wexler: If you think Glenn Beck is a shithead, why are you using his link to reinforce your argument?
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Don’t worry.  We all have those posts we’d like to take back.

DOH!

Hey William W. Wexler: If you think Glenn Beck is a shithead, why are you using his link to reinforce your argument?

“Critics say the method is a relic from the state’s Wild West past and should be abolished”

Well, I guess, then the lethal injection is a sign of a highly evolved and humane society, what a bunch of hypocrites.

@ William W. Wexler:

What part of “has requested” do you not understand? Isn’t he just as dead at the end of the day?

Seth…

I take it you’re a Mormon.

If so, you’re a cultist nutjob and I don’t have to bring your PAST up to criticize you, I can bring up your PRESENT, which is the topic of today’s conversation on EXECUTION by FIRING SQUAD because of MORMON BLOOD ATONEMENT.

You don’t have any idea about what my history is.  You know nothing about me, so what makes you think you can take this argument to me personally?  Your misplaced sense of Mormon superiority over everyone else?

For all you know I might even be black descended from slaves.  If that were the case, then you could tell me I’m cursed, it says so in the Bible and that’s what Mormons believe.  Or maybe I’m a woman, in which case I should just shut my mouth and spit babies out of my vagina like it’s a tommy gun or a clown car.  Or even worse, maybe I’m an excommunicated Mormon, an apostate, some cursed person that you’re not even allowed to speak to.

Please spare me your cracked interpretation of history.  What happened at Mountain Meadows is an atrocity committed by the founders of your cult.  It’s WORSE than what Charles Manson’s cult did, they only killed 7 people.  Your founder Brigham Young ordered over 100 killed in cold blood.

You know, American history is filled with lots of disgusting incidents, and you’re right to mention that the way white people stole this country from natives and built it with slave labor is revolting.  So are the lot of imperial wars we’ve picked, so is being the only country to use nukes, and so are a lot of things.  We have a lot of baggage as a nation.

But the connection between Mormons in 1857 and Mormons today is a direct one.  It is alive, it lives on in the cult practices of people who follow the psychotic ramblings of a petty thief turned murderer named Joe Smith. It’s alive in the wily political maneuverings of polygamist then polygamy denouncer and murderer Brigham Young. It’s alive in the Mormon President who claims that God speaks through him.  It’s alive in the Doctrines and Covenants and the Book of Mormon and the 12 Apostles and the “elders” and secret rituals.  It lives in Mormons today from the holes in their t-shirts to the crap stains in their temple garments.

Yeah, there’s a direct connection from Mountain Meadows to the President’s desk in SLC and no amount of wishful thinking is going to change that.  It’s the biggest mass murder in America by a religious cult.  Nice.

Now what were you saying to me about history?

-Wexler

Gardner is a psychopath. Gardner is a murderous psychopath. Gardner earned
his right to face the firing squad the old fashioned way, he psychopathically
murdered. Gardner is akin to a rabid dog and rabid dogs are routinely ‘put
down’. Utah’s firing squad practice is arcane if not medieval but, at least Utah
gave up the gallows. Wow, ain’t “progress” simply amazing?
Capital punishment is certainly an enigma wrapped tightly inside a conundrum
and yet given the wars that America is about the business of in “our modern
world”, the death sentence seems profoundly status quo. A ‘death sentence’
ranks right up there with state sanctioned torture, wars of naked aggression,
John Yoo, Glenn Beck, and Obama’s “McChrystal surge strategy in Afghanistan.”
Utah and “Mormons” will not now nor ever be dragged into the twenty first
century. (see comments by W W Wexler) It is a given that Utah is Mormon
occupied territory. To live in Utah is to at least pay lip service to the Mormon
occupation. Yeah, I live Utah. Any “distraction” caused by Mormon occupation
or whatever simply detracts from the evil that is Ronnie Lee Gardner.
Utah has the right to terminate Gardner’s existence. Some cancers must be
surgically excised from a body. An ugly axiom and I can admit that.
Back to the ‘wars’ mystique and given American fascination with brutal violence
and extrajudicial killing, Gardner is to be executed and what’s the big deal?

“One may call it barbarism, but enforcing your point of view on someone else is even more barbaric.”

Really?  Exactly what do you mean by “enforcing”? There is a legitimate debate going on among civilized people in which one side (correctly) points out that the death sentence itself is not only barbaric but is un-Constitutional.  Most of the civilized world has discontinued executions, which puts the US in with some pretty interesting company. 

I’m not trying to enforce my view on anyone, I’m stating my opinion.  What does it have to do with Mormons?  You decide.  They’re the ones who kept the firing squad law on the books until 2004.  The MAJORITY state population of Mormons, I mean.

Seems to me that stating your opinion has a lot less barbaric content to it than standing 20 feet from a prisoner and pumping 4 bullets into them.  If I could enforce my opinion the guy would serve life without parole. Just sayin’. 

“Rest assured, though, that I would not base my argument in favor of this man’s choice of death on ANYTHING said by Glenn Beck.”

Well, I don’t know if Beck has said anything about it or not.  If he has, he’s probably stated that attempts to do away with the death penalty are a sure sign that Marxists have taken control of the government.

He’s a shithead.

Distraction. I didnt read this story the first time I saw it and I didnt read it here. Its nothing but a distraction to stir emotion.

Who gives a damn about Mormons? Who mentioned Mormons? Not everyone in Utah is a Mormon. They are just as weird as any other religion.
  This man is going to die. If he wants to be shot in the heart, that’s his choice. At least he’ll get to be outside in the fresh air when he dies, instead of strapped to a bed in front of a roomful of witnesses like a rat in a cage.
  One may call it barbarism, but enforcing your point of view on someone else is even more barbaric. Rest assured, though, that I would not base my argument in favor of this man’s choice of death on ANYTHING said by Glenn Beck.

Mormons will probably only object to it not being a public event
because that religion is all too akin, to say the jewish mafia, and
compassion was never something to get in the way of either of
those organized crime family’s idea of justice. Besides, if the guy
is guilty and condemned to death and wants to go out that way,
let him.

Amazing, with the amount of blood all over america’s collective
body, how people jump out to invoke the sanctity of human life,
even of a cold blooded killer, its like he could turn out to be the
second coming of bejeezus.

This is exactly the kind of barbarism I would expect from the Mormons.  These are the same people who, under leadership of Brigham Young and the guise of being “Indians”, slaughtered a wagon train passing through their territory in 1857.  The Fancher-Baker party was stopped at Mountain Meadows and under seige by the Mormons. They were talked into surrendering, and on September 11, 1857, after surrendering to the Mormons, they were slaughtered in cold blood, every man, woman and child over age 2.

http://glennbeckreport.com/2009/11/glenn’s-cult-membership/

The Mormons control the government of Utah and blood atonement is one of their many cult beliefs.  For some sins, if you’re going to become a god, (another one of their heresies) you have to shed your blood on the ground.  Literally. Blood.  On the ground.

Crackpots.

-Wexler