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Dalai Lama Comments Provoke Conversation on Ethics of bin Laden Killing

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Posted on May 4, 2011

A Los Angeles Times piece suggests Tibet’s spiritual leader supports the American action against Osama bin Laden, surprising some followers and causing others to seek clarification of the Dalai Lama’s comments. He was asked by a student at USC on Tuesday for his reaction to bin Laden’s death, replying, “Forgiveness doesn’t mean forget what happened. … If something is serious and it is necessary to take countermeasures, you have to take countermeasures.”

Though the Times reported this comment as an endorsement of the killing, a post on DalaiLama.com clarified, “His Holiness said therefore the counter measure, no matter what form it takes, has to be compassionate action. His Holiness referred to the basis of the practice of forgiveness saying that it, however, did not mean that one should forget what has been done.”  —KDG

Los Angeles Times:

As the leader of Tibetan Buddhism, the 14th Dalai Lama says he practices compassion to such an extent that he tries to avoid swatting mosquitoes “when my mood is good and there is no danger of malaria,” sometimes watching with interest as they swell with his blood.

Yet, in an appearance Tuesday at USC, he appeared to suggest that the United States was justified in killing Osama bin Laden.

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By AvisPhlox, May 5, 2011 at 7:50 pm Link to this comment

He’s still my boy. *fist bump* smile

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By rockoon, May 5, 2011 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment
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How ethical was killing Osama?
examiner.com/christian-devotio­nal-in-st-petersburg/osama-ver­sus-the-bible-code

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By Samson, May 5, 2011 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment

So, the LA Times misquoted the Dali Lama and by
dropping the bit about the ‘countermeasures’ being
something positive and kind, twisted his words into
support for a mafia style execution.

Gee, there’s a shock. LA Times misquotes and twists
meaning.  That’s ‘dog bites man’ news if I’ve ever
heard it.

Why on earth is this site quoting the awful LA Times to
me in the first place?

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By SarcastiCanuck, May 5, 2011 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment
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Quick,pass me the holy hand grenade.Stay tuned as the Dalai Lama takes in a UFC match.

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By RenZo, May 5, 2011 at 11:42 am Link to this comment

@ drbhelthi, May 5 at 3:23 am
I am not so in love with ‘logical’ human thought as you seem to be; seeing it perverted by misuse, forced warping, and false, ignoble bases as starting points.
Tibetan Buddhism is not all that representative of what the original historic Gotama taught. The Vajrayana sect fused with native shamanistic poly-deist Bon religion of Tibetan aboriginals. It is a religion. However, the form of mindfulness, morality and insight that Gotama taught had NO gods, no afterlife, and no rules (supposedly) handed down from heaven: it is only a way of living in this mortal life and this constant turmoil. Zen, or Vipassana, or Secular Buddhism are the closest current versions of what Gotama taught.
My point is that one should not throw buddhism bath water out with the Dalai Lama baby.

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By drbhelthi, May 5, 2011 at 3:23 am Link to this comment

“countermeasures” vs. “compassion”?  Right.

Is the U.S. Navy leadership prepared for more real application of its
“Tomahawk Cruise,” with maximum load, instead of minimum, on targets in
the U.S. ?
Or, does “max load” require application of the USAF “Cruise, ” dropped
from the air, instead of fired from under-water?
Are all “Admirals” comparable to the insult to Buddhism, the C.I.A.
pawn, the Dalai Lama, who practices “CIAddhism” as directed by his
financiers?  Is feigned holiness more holy than human altruism?  How is
bowing and placing the hands together more holy than shovelling dirt
into a grave?  Which is older, logical human thought, or Buddhism?

The U.S. Navy leadership has reached a genuinely degenerated state of
existence, when a S.E.A.L. team is ordered into Pakistan to murder a
family misrepresented as Osama bin Laden clan, falsely set up by C.I.A.
“mercenaries”.  The U.S.Navy leadership was already bad enough,
allegedly firing a Tomahawk into the pentagon in order to set up the
murder of a patriotic general who would not kiss-ass for his treasonist
“colleagues.”  Apparently, >too many< general officers in all branches
of the U.S.Military, have become the property of the NAZI element of
the C.I.A., which rules- not only, but especially- media coverage. 
http://www.wanttoknow.info/mediacover-up

CHEERS to the non- C.I.A. assets!  Time to consort & take action ?

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By drbhelthi, May 5, 2011 at 1:50 am Link to this comment

” Among the company you list, he stands out as someone who really does practice compassion.”

Depends on how you define “compassion.”
Anyway you define it, it rules out human altruism and general honesty.

This C.I.A. pawn practices whatever his hirelings tell him to practice.

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By Robbie Meadows, May 4, 2011 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment
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Of course the DL agrees with the supposed killing of OBL.  He will not bite the hand that has been feeding him. 

He is a life long CIA paid agent. Starting with his escape from Lhasa, the land concessions from India for his compound that were “arranged” and his annual cash stipend which has allowed him to live and travel.

The CIA funded training and arms for the guerrillas in Tibet prior to the uprising and for several years following. From 1959 to 1964, Tibetan guerrillas were secretly trained at Camp Hale in Colorado.  See http://www.historynet.com/cias-secret-war-in-tibet.htm  Excellent books have been written on this.

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By RenZo, May 4, 2011 at 7:29 pm Link to this comment

@ TDoff, May 4 at 4:53 pm
I understand that you scoff at a religious leader talking about Realpolitik in Asia, but the Dalai Lama is infinitely more believable, consistent and logical (most of the time) than the other religious leaders you are waiting to hear from. Among the company you list, he stands out as someone who really does practice compassion. But if moral considerations are totally out of place in regards to war, revenge, and “justice” then on what can we base our civilization (besides right makes right)?

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By Neville Jo Leijonflycht, May 4, 2011 at 6:41 pm Link to this comment
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I am a Buddhist of 20 years. The Dalais is not advocating killing. He is talking about the compassion of forgiving and compassionate action that does not have to be a killing of another, but/and that does not mean forgetting. Also, he Teaches that if one or a few are actively killing another or a mass…then stopping the harmful ones without killing, if possible is a karmic duty, and if unable to stop the person killing (compassionately) then a stronger measure if it results in a killing to save another, then it must be done. There is large karma if you intend to kill. There is less karma if you intend to kill but “miss”. There is still less karma if accidentally killing another even if intoxicated. There is still lesser karma if fully accidental…and so on it goes. This attempt to be fully aware of “no harm” as a deep committment the Dalais Lama practices (among so many others) should allay any ideas that he meant Osama bin L. should or deserves/d to be taken out. I was a murder. There are records with the CIA that he was not even on the wanted list, which he had to be…to be killed. They knew he was not responsible for 9/11. He was a spiritual leader; had end stage kidney disease for years; and many of you need to research more. We have now made more terrorists from this action and that was deliberate. We spend 4 Billion (B) every week on this war.

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By TDoff, May 4, 2011 at 4:53 pm Link to this comment

Now that we have heard from the Dalai Lama, all we need are the votes of the Pope, Pat Robertson, the ghost of Jerry Falwell, and Bachmann’s psychiatrist to see if we get a consensus on the bin Laden assassination, and whether we did the ‘right thing’.

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By karmanot, May 4, 2011 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment
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Bullshit

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