ofersince72

The rat’s ass does read cause the rat’s is responding.

Hey clone,  I didn’t even read your last post, don’t
care a rat’s butt what you have to say.  Having said
that there is much that I disagree with Nemesis analysis
of Latin American policy, he knows it,
Nemesis had the depth to read into what I was telling
him,,  since I have to translate for you,
Just because you know someone from a particular region,
helps, but does not give definity,  I am sure Nemesis
got my point.

Now clone, I didn’t read, nor do I care to read anymore
of your posts,  so post all you care and reference OFER
all you care, I don’t care, especially from you.

ofersince72

Now you’re not just pandering but patronizing.

Vet Nemesis was Marine in Viet Nam, and it was
Marines in Viet Nam that saved my life and kept my
command from sending me to a Prison Camp in Saigon….
So if it sounds like pandering to you, you don’t have
clue what I owe some Marines.!!!!

You are mistaken respect with pandering, I have some
respect for the Vet Nemesis, little to none for you clone.

Yeah, all my posts sound like i am a panderer.!!!!!!
Go ahead clone, lie some more….

My brother, about twenty years ago , taught English
at Quito University,
My parents were took turns as president of the
American Field Service from 1962, until I graduated,
we had exchange students living with us almost every
year while Mom&Dad; placed them in homes.
Because of this, my father made friends with several
in just as many Latin American countries and traveled.
Lucky for me,  I had parents that were very interested
in different cultures.

ofersince72

After all the crap you’ve posted on this board your response to Nemesis sounds like pandering.

It is empty, a fog, it says nothing. It has no substance.

I would add one more thought

If doing what we did to the Iragi nation is what it
takes to keep a socioeconomic system going, I will always
be sickened by this and speak against this.
This is not “the best” our nation or any other nation
can do.
It is easy to call yourself “the best” when you spend
ten generations of wealth on weapons of mass destruction
that you hold the rest of the world hostage with.

Thankyou Nemesis for your insight, I have always respected
your views.

I have always been a free thinker and have never been
indoctrinated by leftist or any other type of periodicles.
When I finally got out of the stuper that our government
left me in, while attending college , my best friend was
from Venezuela,  he spoke broken english.  At the time
I was living in Baltimore and he would hop on the back
of my Yamaha 650 and we would head to Ocean City Md.
He was really good with the ladies, which was an asset
for me.  Always smiling and didn’t know a stranger.
  Back to the U.S. and our fingerpointing. It is pointless
for us to go into the history of the socioeconomic system
of oil, we are both well aware of this history. I do not
care to point fingers at Venezuela or any other Latin
American community right now. “The best” has always been
a very arrogent American culture.  I do not support
one dime that the U.S. spends in Overt or Covert operations to influence destabilization or political
thought.  There are many living in our inner cities ,rural
areas and prisons that might challenge the thought of
“the best”.  Peace, Nemesis

By ofersince72, June 3 at 11:31 pm

”The point of my commentary on Columbia and the rest of
Latin America is who are we in this crony capitolism
to lay judgement anywhere in the world?”

I’m not coming down on you ofersince72. All I’m trying to accomplish here is to open your eyes to the reality of the situation in Venezuela. The picture of Chávez’s Venezuela by the left here in the U.S. is an illusion and a lie! There’s no arguing that.

I have a long history with Venezuela and many Venezuelans—even some Chavistas. I was there recently after a long hiatus. The changes in that country are staggering. The one change that struck me hardest was the change in the mood of the society. Venezuelans are, normally, very out going, friendly, and hospitable. Now it’s as if you can wear the gloom like an overcoat. It permeates the society.

You should see if you can have a conversation with a Venezuelan who still lives there and just ask that individual to describe what it’s like to conduct a simple banking transaction like making a deposit or a withdrawal from your account. If his account is in one of the less than 10 privately owned banks still in existence there, you will here an account of a banking nightmare. In Venezuela you don’t ask your boss for 30-60 minutes to run down to your bank and make a deposit. You ask for the day off.

As for our making judgments, why shouldn’t we? As bad as the Empire is, it is still far better than anything most of the world has to offer. It could also be must worse. Imagine if we were like the British Empire. When Chávez repatriated Exxon’s operation there we would simply have gone in and killed anyone standing in the way and taken all the oil and minerals we wanted, not giving them a dime for it, and shipped it all to the homeland.

Much of what AmeriCorp does, while evil in and of itself, is still far better for most of humanity than the alternatives. The entire world economy is oil based ofersince72, and much of what AmeriCorp does is to ensure access to that commodity and prevent a complete collapse of the world’s economic system which would mean starvation on a scale not imaginable.

If Americans learn nothing else from Iraq they should have learned the perils of having a political power vacuum at the very top. As bad as we are, we still offer more for a much larger number of humanity than any viable alternative. 

Afterthought: I also know a number of Colombians and you’d be surprised at their attitudes of having a U.S. presence there. I’m sure the pro-Chávez leftists aren’t at all happy about it but unfortunately for them, Columbia is mostly Catholic and conservative.

The leftist media’s Chávistan paradise is an illusion.

ofersince72

Quote:
I don’t respond to clones.

That’s an inane response. So just admit you can’t respond?

Acknowledge that if you try to respond is to admit you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Jay says you’re quite the hypocrite and that you have been exposed as nothing less than a hypocrite.

You follow Ray all over this board asking him questions and you come out with a response like that seems quite cowardly?

So Ray wins, ofersince72 loses. Your credibility has been totally destroyed.

Nemesis,

You ought to rethink the company you are keeping on
this thread !!!

I don’t respond to clones.

ofersince72

Let Jay give you an example of what Jay interprets proxy to mean. A clear example is that the US is a proxy for Israeli policies. The US is doing the bidding in the middle east and at the UN for Israel in the most naked definition of what a proxy is. So the US is the proxy in this instance for Israel.

You call Colombia a US proxy, Jay would like you to give clear examples, now and in the present, not from 30 years ago. How and where are the Colombians serving as proxies for the US doing the bidding of the US in the region in the same way the US is doing Israel’s bidding in the middle east? When has Colombia invaded another country on our behalf?

Now if you described Colombia as a client state of the US in the sense that Colombia is dependent on the US for support against internal security threats and economic assistance, development and aid well Jay may agree with you dependent on the context that you describe client state, but a proxy? No, sounds like a canned soundbite that evades reality with very little substance.

And like Nemesis that has a connection to Venezuela through a daughter-in-law Jay has similar familial connections to Colombia and Venezuela. Jay regularly visit Colombia and Venezuela. Jay has traveled both of these countries extensively. Jay knows their people the good and the bad. Jay has been to Cuba on 3 occasions staying with the locals in their home, talking to Cubans, mingling with them. If you really want to go to Cuba don’t let the ban on American travel stop you, there are ways an American can go. Go see it for yourself, without an escort, without going to the tourist resorts, blend in or at try to if you can. Jay has been to Mexico 4 times, Jay loves Mexico. Jay has been to Honduras and Nicaragua twice. Costa Rica 4 times. Panama once. Peru once. Bolivia once. In addition Jay speaks Spanish fluently and connects with the people. Do you speak Spanish fluently?

So ofersince72 Jay doesn’t think there is much Jay can really learn from you, if anything. Cause Jay has seen the reality in Latin America with his own eyes and Jay has heard with his own ears what the reality is for the people people that live there. All Jay gets from you and your cohorts is just a barrage of delusional babble about violent revolution and on how bad America is, and it is bad but not as bad as it could be. Believe it or not after you’ve been to those countries you realize that in spite of America’s defects there is still a lot of good things here and that there is room for a lot of improvement. We’re not the best country in the world and we are not the worse. It could be worse for you. You could be living in Cuba or Venezuela. Or in any one of the many of the “barrio populares” on the outskirts of one of the major cities in one of those Latin America countries.

Revolution has to come through the ballot box, not at the barrel of a gun.

Nemesis, always have enjoyed your political thought
and commentary, you are by no means an average person.

The point of my commentary on Columbia and the rest of
Latin America is who are we in this crony capitolism
to lay judgement anywhere in the world?
I hope all turns out well for Venezuela and do not pray
for a Chavez failure or anybody elses.

I hope all turns out well for all your daughter-in-law’s
family.  Chavez has been literally under a U.S. gun since
he was elected to office, tons of money sent South to
destabilize any reform Chavez attempts to install.
Yes I can look at the last 75 years of Latin American
policy in my observations. We would all like to share
your son’s knowledge of that situation, however,
I don’t take much as gospel on any one person"s evaluation of a political situation.
I say, let us straighten our own fascist state before
we go fingering.

By ofersince72, June 2 at 10:50 pm

”I never said Venezuela was a socialist paradise, I said
that America has enough Latin America blood on its hands
to go to the moon and back.

I didn’t say that you did. I said IF you or anyone else believed that you (<- 3rd person plural) were drinking far too much koolaid.
You’re absolutely right about the blood.

By ofersince72, June 2 at 10:50 pm

”You don’t know any better than Jay or I what is going
on in Venezuela…”

How much money have you got to lose? My daughter-in-law is Venezuelan. She’s speaking to relatives as I type. Care to know what is REALLY going on over there?

By ofersince72, June 2 at 10:50 pm

”but we do know that America is the world’s largest debtor nation, we know America’s unemployment numbers, we know of America’s atrocities in
in Iraq, Central America, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Gaza, and all over the world.”

No argument here but what has that got to do with Venezuela having been devastated by Chávez, his cronies, and his policies?

Predator capitalism in Venezuelan made it a hell hole and something desperately needed to be done, but as bad as the system was, it is even worse under Chávez’s dictatorship.

By ofersince72, June 2 at 10:50 pm

”I have no doubt that Venezuela, just as every other nation in the world, is having financial troubles.”

 
No, Venezuela does not have financial problems. Its economy has been completely wiped out by Chávez and his cronies who are the only ones doing well by the way. That family before the Revolución Bolivariana was so dirt poor that Chávez was sent to live with his grandmother as a small child. Today Chávez is a millionaire and his brother is also very rich. Can you explain that? I can.

By ofersince72, June 2 at 10:50 pm

”Columbia has been a U.S. proxy state for many, many years
and has terrorized the region with U.S. munitions.
No, I do not buy the Monroe Doctrine, not do I believe Ollie North an American Hero.”

Okay, very few don’t know that. But again, what has that got to do with Venezuela under Chávez? You keep trying to compare apples and oranges.

I don’t consider North a hero either.

Jay tells me that we must be making progress and winning the war of words when we reduce the commie wanna-be loonies to singing.

Respectfully

Ray, Jay’s twin brother.

Actually I don’t think Jay is really my twin. I suspect that I’m really his clone.

Jay’s twin brother and Jay , you both like cute and funny
so this is for you guys.
A repeat from other thread….

Fa la la la la la la,  la laaaaa
We are the biggest debtor nation in the world
Fa la la la la la la,  la laaaaa
Hugo couldn’t even catch us if he tried
Fa la la la la la la,  la laaaaa
But we have the biggest guns strapped to our side
Fa la la la la la la,  la laaaaa
And we have used them to cheat a steal from Latin America
Fa la la la la la la,  la laaaaa
If it took cold blooded murder we didn’t care
Fa la la la la la la,  la laaaaa
Then we left them polluted and with much dispair
Fa la la la la la la,  la laaaaa
So Evo and Hugo ran us out of there
Fa la la la la la la,  la laaaaaa

Nemesis, we have two elections 2000, 2004, that we don’t
even know what the real outcome was.
Lets point fingers.

We have tooo biiiigggg ttooooo   ffffaaaaiiiillll,
except not to big to rob public money.
lets point fingers South

we have no manufacturing base, high unemployment,
bunches and bunches on food stamps
lets point finger South

Senator Menendez sounds so foolish denouncing Cuba
for their political prisoners,  lets point fingers South

Nemesis, my first response didn’t take, having a little
internet problems, just as well , this is easy to respond
to.
I never said Venezuela was a socialist paradise, I said
that America has enough Latin America blood on its hands
to go to the moon and back.
You don’t know any better than Jay or I what is going
on in Venezuela, but we do know that America is the world’s largest debtor nation, we know America’s unemployment numbers, we know of America’s atrocities in
in Iraq, Central America, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Gaza,
and all over the world.  I have no doubt that Venezuela,
just as every other nation in the world, is having financial troubles.
Columbia has been a U.S. proxy state for many, many years
and has terrorized the region with U.S. munitions.
No, I do not buy the Monroe Doctrine, not do I believe
Ollie North an American Hero,.

By tihsstaezevahc, May 31 at 1:20 am

”He says quote: Now we’ll see if Papa Doc Chavez will make good on his threat to go to war with Colombia if Santos becomes president.”

Unfortunately for the Venezuelan people it’ll never happen. Chávez, like most dictators, is a coward. Colombia is the Empire’s proxy to kick Chávez’s sorry arse should he be stupid enough to attempt anything like an all out war with anybody.

If memory serves Chávez attempted to bribe Santos into joining a plot to assassinate Uribe. There’s a lot of bad blood between them because Santos blew the whistle on Cuba’s first lady.

Had the U.S. had anyone but the two cowards—Bush and Cheney—at the helm when the opposition had Chávez peeing in his pants, the Venezuelan people would have been spared much suffering. 

The primary goal of the bases may be said to be drug war related but the strategic location indicates that their primary purpose is to serve as a constant reminder to Chávez that Big Oil and the Empire want their oil back. 

By ofersince72, May 31 at 2:36 a

”You tell good fairy tales”

Would you mind pointing out the parts that are fairy tales?

If you or any other here believes that Chávez’s Revolución Boliviariana is anything but a nightmare you have been drinking far too much kool-aid.

Shortages of staple foods, daily electrical blackouts, continued high unemployment, increased crime as people are frantically trying to survive, persecution and incarceration of anyone critical or opposed to Chávez’s failed policies, expropriation of businesses and property, rampant cronyism, etc. etc.

If Venezuela is a socialist paradise, hell must be heaven.

ofersince72, May 31 at 2:36 am #

You tell good fairy tales

This is Jay’s, twin Ray.

I told Jay what you said and Jay said that in other words when it comes Colombian/Venezuelan/US foreign policy issues you don’t know your ass from your elbow.

Jay’s expert analysis will bear out.

Time is on Jay’s side.

Just wait and see.

By the way Jay says that your fairy tales are more fun.

You tell good fairy tales

Jay says:

If you were familiar with the Colombia-US deal you would realize that to say American military bases in Colombia is semantically incorrect.

They are Colombian military bases that the Colombians have agreed to give the access to the US for joint operations mainly directed at drug trafficking.

Just some of the important particulars which I’m sure you are ignorant of:
*No combat troops.
*No more than 1400 Americans to be stationed at any one time in all of the bases combined.
*No diplomatic immunity for crimes committed by US personnel that violate the Colombian penal code. Crimes such as rape and murder, no diplomatic immunity for Americans.
Jay bets that you didn’t know that?

It’s like if I let you use a room in my house. It’s still my house not yours. And if you break something you pay for it and you can’t have any friends over.

Jay says:

Half of America on food stamps?

If you can please provide the source of that data?

Jay wants to independently confirm it.

Jay just text messaged me.

He says quote:

Now we’ll see if Papa Doc Chavez will make good on his threat to go to war with Colombia if Santos becomes president.

If he does then you’ll quickly realize why the Americans were invited into the Colombian bases. You’ll realize that while Papa Doc Chavez was playing warmonger soon to be former President Uribe was playing chess and invited the Americans in.

Papa Doc Chavez squanders his country’s wealth pursuing a bellicose agenda buying weapons while his people are want of food, running water, electricity and the basic necessities that make life easier. Just think if the Americans intervene Papa Doc Chavez would have pissed away all that money when the “gringos” take out all his new toys.

Will Papa Doc Chavez have the cojones to provoke a war with Colombia?
Will he send the tanks to the border?
Will the Sukhoi’s bomb Bogota? or will they get swatted out of the air by American Stealth fighters?
Will the Americans intervene?
Papa Doc Chavez hopes so as to have his much desired confrontation with the “imperio” to the north.
Its all or nothing.
As time goes on Papa Doc Chavez becomes more anxious, more irrational. Reminds me of Saddam.
Will he impose an oil embargo on the US?
Will the US go and take the oil fields the way they did in Iraq?

Can an American intervention serve Papa Doc Chavez as a catalyst to consolidate his absolute autocratic rule over Venezuela so as to perpetuate indefinitely in power in the way the Bay of Pigs served those ends for Uncle Fidel to consolidate absolute autocratic rule over Cuba?
If he does will the US still keep buying his oil thereby financing Papa Doc Chavez totalitarian ends?
It appears that the end game is clear.
It is headed for a winner take all, will the US back down?
Can Papa Doc Chavez survive it?
I know the US will survive.

Stay tune children the fun is just beginning.

End quote.

Five new US military bases in Colombia

no need for me to cry…I am amused..

Stretched out all over the globe and
over half of America on food stamps.

it is laughable because it is unsustainable.

Jay is still in Cucuta.

But he tells me that your response is typical of the delusional sore losers of the lunatic fringes. That you and your cohorts are completely out of touch with reason. Sort like left-wing teabaggers.

Jay said to go cry to papa Hugo.

The reality is that Papa Doc Chavez is quickly becoming regional pariah and all his friends are dropping him like a hot potato. Even Correa.

Another triumph for the CIA,
tell Jay good work, how much did this election cost
the U.S. tax payers??

Looks like American drug lords won’t lose a paycheck.

Jay\‘s twin here.

Just got a report from Jay.

A catastrophic defeat for Chavez in the region in the Colombian elections today.

It seems that Mr. Chavez arch-nemesis Juan Manuel Santos is going to be the next President of Colombia. A June 20th win seems likely in the election runoff. With more 98% of the precincts reporting Mr. Santos obtained a commanding lead of 46.6% just 3.4% points short of the 50% threshold. His closet rival Antanas Mockus could only muster 21.5% with Vargas a distant 3rd at 10.1% In spite of the interference by Mr. Chavez, and to a lesser degree by Chavez cohort Mr. Correa, it appears that this was a referendum for exiting President Alvaro Uribe. Uribe has the highest popularity rating of any President in the Western Hemisphere. Chavez threatened war if Santos won as way to instill fear in Colombian voters.

As you know Jay\‘s been on a secret mission to Caracas for the past few days. In spite Chavista moles planted in this blog that have have attempted to censure Jay\‘s \“freedom of speech\” Jay has been able to get his message out to lover\‘s and supporters of truth and free speech using an old Dell laptop that was a gift from his teenage kid. And by using me his faithful twin brother.

I asked Jay what he meant by having his \“freedom of speech\” censured and he explained to me that this is a common phenomena of intolerance that he has experienced not just in left wing oriented blogs but he has experienced similar censures on right wing blogs. So Jay says there is irreconcilable differences at both intolerant extremes of the political spectrum.

Both on lefty and righty boards it usually starts with pettiness and insults from extreme ideologues when Jay posts his indisputable objective facts totally refuting the made up facts posted by righties and lefties ideologues.

Unlike his critics Jay is his own man and follows only what his conscience and natural instincts for social and economic justice dictate to him. Jay does not follow the line or the rhetoric of ideologues or any individual for that matter like followers in this board that have to identify themselves by identifying with these ideologues and demoguoges.

As per Jay the way to truly be free is not idolize or put on a pedestal any one person. Only the ideals of justice and fair play deserve that pedestal, the ideal not the person. When this mindset is internalize Jay believes that the individual really becomes an individual, truly free to from the influence of demagogues.

His secret location in Caracas has been compromised by the the same individual that attempted to have him censured here on this board. The mere fact that Jay is able to come in here and have his message come out is a testament that free speech cannot be stifled by censure.

Jay is in Colombia now. In spite of the restrictions imposed by Chavez at the border Jay was able to bribe Venezuelan border guards and crossed the Simon Bolivar Bridge over the Tachira River which is the internationa border between the 2 countries. Last I heard Jay was in Cucuta, Colombia.

Whoever gets in there, throw the U.S. out on their ass,
we seem to contaminate and pollute everthing we touch,
militarize, suppress open thought and the press, and
make a few rich assholes while starving the populace.