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Clinton Talks Tough About North Korea

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Posted on May 26, 2010
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The sinking of the South Korean warship Cheonan back in March was “an unacceptable provocation by North Korea,” according to U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who declared Wednesday in Seoul that “the international community has a responsibility and a duty to respond.” This did not please the powers in Pyongyang.  —KA

BBC:

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says the international community must respond in the growing crisis over the sinking of a South Korean warship.

She said there was “overwhelming” evidence that North Korea was to blame, and urged Pyongyang to halt its “policy of belligerence”.

Mrs Clinton was speaking in South Korea at the end of an Asian tour.

North Korea denies it was responsible, and has warned of retaliation if action is taken against it.

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By brewerstroupe, May 28, 2010 at 7:08 pm Link to this comment

I don’t know how genuine this letter is but it contains a large amount of detail about the sinking

Letter to Hillary Clinton US Secretary of State

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By brewerstroupe, May 27, 2010 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment

Here is the evidence:

The propellers of the ship that was sunk:
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-55107-2.html

The torpedo that sunk it:
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-55107-6.html

Bear in mind that the ship propellers had been in the water since its last haulout before the sinking. The torpedo had been submerged only since the sinking.

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By PatrickHenry, May 27, 2010 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

Evidence, where’s the evidence?

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By brewerstroupe, May 27, 2010 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment

Spot the mistake:

Korean investigators believe that one or two North Korean submarines, a Yono class submarine and the other a Sang-O class submarine, departed a naval base at Cape Bipagot accompanied by a support ship on March 23. One of the subs, according to the report, detoured around to the west side of Baengnyeong Island, arriving on March 25. There, it waited about 30 meters under the ocean’s surface in waters 40 to 50 meters deep for the Cheonan to pass by. Investigators believe that the sub fired the torpedo from about 3 km away at 9:22 p.m. on March 26. The attack appears to have been timed for a period when tidal forces in the area were slow.

Here is a direct quote from the Inquiry report:

We confirmed that a few small submarines and a mother ship supporting
them left a North Korean naval base in the West Sea 2-3 days prior to the attack and returned to port 2-3 days after the attack.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2010/100520_jcmig-roks-cheonan/100520_jcmig-roks-cheonan.pdf

High quality intelligence? Compare it with the quality of intel the North Koreans must have possessed in order to predict the exact position and time at which a vessel and slack water would coincide to present a target for a slow moving electric torpedo at 3k range.

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By expat in germany, May 27, 2010 at 5:52 am Link to this comment
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This supposed attack is very suspicious. What does North Korea stand to gain from it? The neo-cons in the U.S. have quite a bit to gain, however, whether it’s all-out war or making Obama look even more inept than he already looks. Another false flag operation if you ask me.

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By NZDoug, May 27, 2010 at 12:50 am Link to this comment

No oil there so whats the big deal?
Democracy?
This will amount to a whole lot of nothing.

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By brewerstroupe, May 26, 2010 at 10:42 pm Link to this comment

The torpedo story is a crock.

02-04-2010:
Amid persistent speculations over North Korea’s possible role in the sinking of a naval patrol ship, the Defense Ministry yesterday (April 1) reiterated that there were no unusual North Korean activities detected at the time of the disaster on Friday last week.

“With regard to this case, no particular activities by North Korean submarines or semi-submarines (moving southward before the sinking) have been verified. I am saying again that there were no activities that could be directly linked to (the sinking of the ship),” Defense Ministry spokesman Won Tae-jae said during a press briefing.
http://www.asianewsnet.net/news.php?sec=1&id=11149

04-07-2010:
But many legislators of the ruling Grand National Party (GNP) appeared to be convinced that the North is responsible.

They point their fingers at North Korean military hardliners, who were reportedly responsible for previous bellicose acts, as the driving force of the incident.

Politicians appear to be resorting to the ``red scare’’ tactic to drum up support as the June 2 local elections approach…...
.....The nation’s spy chief, however, denied the speculation.

Won Se-hoon, director of the National Intelligence Service, was quoted as saying during a parliamentary committee session that to his knowledge, there was no direct link between North Korea and the sunken ship.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/04/113_63770.html

Then just the other day we get the “unanimous” findings of an “International Inquiry” that turns this all on its head. Except that the Inquiry is neither “International” nor “unanimous”. The only non-“Coalition of the Willing” member was Sweden and they signed up to the report “reluctantly”.

The “evidence” of a North Korean torpedo is garbage and the operation required to launch it is an impossibility. (See my post on the previous thread)

Cui bono?

The Lee administration in South Korea is hard-line anti reunification, a stance that had them facing big losses in next month’s election - until this.

The U.S. wants to stay in Okinawa and the Japanese were increasingly anti - until this.

Watch out for more “Axis of Evil” type rhetoric linking Iran.

Don’t take your eyes off Hilary’s other hand.

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By Kim, May 26, 2010 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment
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Another war based on results of US and friends investigation?

This issue must be referred to the UN which needs to conduct independent investigation. I am no forensic expert, but the propellers of the torpedo that sank the Cheonan looks a lot more corroded than the propellors of the Cheonan itself. This could mean that the remains of the torpedo have been in the sea a lot longer than the Cheonan was.

Something does not look right.

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By nemesis2010, May 26, 2010 at 6:10 pm Link to this comment

Way to go Hillary! What we really lack right now is a good shoot ‘em up war.

I say it’s time these politicians stop pussy-footing aaround and declare war on the whole goddamned world. Go U.S.A.!

Kill ‘em all and let their gods sort the mess out!

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By melpol, May 26, 2010 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment

23 million North Koreans are working 12 hours a day for a bowl of rice. They are living in circus tents with Kim as their master.  Most of his captives would rather unify with the South and raise their standard of living. But China fears that a unified Korea would use its 23 million new citizens as a cheap labor force to compete with Chinese exports. Also it does not want a government friendly to the US on its border. China should be pressured to allow unification of the Korean peninsular. It must happen before a sick and frustrated Kim Jong 11 packs his bombs in submarines and sends them to unknown destinations.

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By PatrickHenry, May 26, 2010 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment

She probably talked to Kim like she talked to Bill after Monica.

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