Conservation… A personnal example of how a president
          can influence change and impressionate
          the young.

When I was in the seventh grade, I believe ut was JFKs
first or second year in office.  He came into office with
physical fitness as one of his agendas for America.
He was sponsering and challenging Americans to a fifty
mile hike. I grew up about 30 miles from the Atlantic
Ocean.
Anyway, a friend and I decided we were going to make the
fifty mile hike on a Saturday , without telling our
parents of course, for they would have had the wisdom
of not letting us attempt this the way we did.
So off we went, no water, no money, and knew nothing about
foot blisters on a country road with little traffic and
no place to stop. Everything went fine for the first
fifteen miles, then we got thirsty, feet all blistered up
and to far along to turn around, no phone anywher, so
we had to hobble all the way, beat, tired, thirsty, sore.
Anyway, my parents had to drive to the ocean to get us.
But the point is, the impession that our president had
on all the young. Everyone wanted that hike.
We don’t have that type of leadership.
Obama had the potential,  sold it away, like his soul

So lets keep it up America, lets keep doing what we
have been doing, it has worked out well for us hasn’t it?

Jobs everywhere, cities flourishing, farms turning out
really wholesome food,  water supply couldn’t be better.
don’t even need prisons anymore the economy is so good.
Debt? what debt? Nothing in the red.!!
Diversity?  We all get along great!!!!!!

We are loved all over the world… wait a minute, what
world?  There is nobody else in the world but Americans.
We are the chosen..

According to the Wall Street Journal

the sale of mid size SUVs up 32% from May of last year
the sale of large size up 34%

Americans don’t care about their children or grandchildren
nothing but the here and now and me, me, me,
They don’t care that we need to kill a million Iraqi
to keep this up.  They don’t care if we turn the oceans
dead (they are on their way out anyway) to keep the now.
Americans are the most selfish, indulgent, spoiled,
self-rightous, culture on this planet.
Yes I can blame Obama for not speaking about conservation
of resources for the last two years.
I remember all it took was JFK to talk about walking
and everyone in America wanted to take that fifty mile
hike that the president spoke of. The president has a
lot of power, especially with the young. This president
is a waste of time just like the last half dozen have been.

The bible is good for some spiritual content but
not at all for prophacy or prophasy.
I don’t believe the world will burn…although, we don’t
know.
I believe the albedo will cool it down and take the
planet into a glaciation.  A rise in greenhouse gases
seems to have preceeded the last four glaciations providing the energy needed to do this.

With the current C02ppm well above what it has been
in the present ice age….it can’t be predicted.
It can be predicted that man cannot bring the C02ppm down
one point.  The planet has been in what geologist call
an ice age since the polar ice caps appeared about
two million years ago.. there have been cycles of
inter and intra glacial periods in this time. In sequence
of the time intervals in between the earth was due for a
glaciation period anyhow…Earthlings have survived other
glaciations…that is why it is the best scenario, that
doesn’t mean that there still won’t be widespread starvation,  we are seeing that now.

ofersince72, March 13 at 11:25 pm,

The Bible’s prophecies are good also.  If Bible prophecy doesn’t come true, then it isn’t real, but all Bible prophecy has come true.  Here is another listing of Biblical Prophecy that has come true.

ofersince72, March 10 at 4:56 am,

The Bible says total burn up.  But it doesn’t say exactly when, so it would behoove the earthlings to do all they can to preserve the earth while they can, instead of going helter/skelter into burn up ahead of time.  I think it is possible; if the nations will work together toward an environment to save the planet, there will be many, many more years of life on earth for earthlings.

Start replanting trees, genetically engineer trees that are even better at CO2 sequestering an stop any use of fossil fuels. But even so it would take decades & in the end it may be too late. The last time we had so much CO2 was during the Permian just before the greatest known extinction event after the great freezing 700 million years ago!

We can control the excess carbon dioxide output. Easier than the methane output from the thawing of the permafrost and tundra right now.

The big Fraud is Martha

Gore’s industry model and that model was the one
passed on to the International Commission on
Climate Change

Man CAN NOT control the C02ppm,  its impossible.
Even if we were to shut down all emmisions tonight.
What is going to bring it down?????
Man can’t get it back to 380, no WAY, let alone 350

That is the hoax,  they know it can’t be done as well
as I do…...........so what scenario are we going
to prepare for.????? Evaporation?? or total burn up.

i MEAN ,  if the planet doesn’t get to
glaciation…............EVERY THING DIES.

Fortunatly, it seems that it usually goes through
its cycle….

A four to six degree temp rise…(which we can not
control no matter what treaty gets signed)
Every forest on the planet will burn right up.
There will be NO food grown..
The populace better hope for ALBEDO, and a lot of it.  If any posterity wishes to survive on earth.!!

The scenerio that we don’t come out of a
global warming and into a glaciation…..
is much, much , much,  more dire for any survival.
If that were to happen…melting ice and dieing
bears are going to be the LEAST of mans concerns.
The planet won’t grow any food…..........AT ALL !!!

I was green way way before it was cool to be green

I didn’t say global warming isn’t happening…..
I have never said that….Been on this since th 80s.
It’s just at one point,  because of the rising
temp.  there is going to be an expotential rise
in evaporation… That is the stage of the climate
change we are in right now…probably half way through it… Massive evaporation, remember
you can’t have melting ice , plus rising temperature
without massive evaporation,

I also am very keen to the elements that are
ruining our country…Have been on this for years
also….

Global warming is happening and you need to understand conservatism, because Right-Wing conservatism is what is destroying our country.

You have way more conservative political thought
than I…

Never was much on following threw on most
talked about conspirousy theories.. Don’t care bout
JFK one and have most of Chomsky’s belief about
911, it doesn’t matter, end result the same.  The
disagreement that I have with him on 911 is his
assertion that it couldn’t have been pulled off
without a leak…Very nieve of chomsky to believethat

But we are all allowed one conspirousy theory, I hope
I believe a few of the quotes that i have posted here
show that the carbon dioxide problem has been getting
debated for quite awhile, at least as far back as
the early 1970s.  Before 1980 , industry got involved
, they were quite worried about the direction that
studies would take in curbing C02 emmisions. They
quickly used their influence to control climate study
models,  they make sure non got funded that didn’t
have the global warming , 50 yr time table to address the problem..This upset quite a few that had
been addressing this phenom.  All other models got
scrapped and even censored.  This part is all true..
To their benifit,  they really probably did believe
they had the 50yr timetable. (just being nice and
giving industry the benifit of the doubt that the
don’t even deserve.). Many Alarmist did not believe
in the 50yr time table or even in the final outcome
of a global warming. They were ignored and not given
an ear.  So threw the 70s , 80s, and 90s,  the
industry climate models were the only ones funded and
studied , cap and trade was mostly the debate for
those three decades. They believed that was the
proper action and would be enough. They sure didn’t
take into consideration that there is hardly any
forest left to regulate C02, or the damage that is
getting done to what is left, drought, disease,
insects, and of course poor soil. The C02 rose much
faster than they projected and Hamaker’s C02
curve has proved correct, it is the one used now.
HERE IS MY CONSPIROUSY THEORY…
That by 2000, everyone realized at 380ppm we were
beyond the point of no return for man to control
the C02.  Most of the alarmist thought we were already there by 1990, some thought we never had a
could have a hand in bringing down or keeping it
stable.  There is little to no evidence that we ever
could.  They had to eventually alert the public.
They had decided go nuclear energy. They also did not
want to panic the populace. Also saw money to be made
Thirty years of their own 50yr warnings had been used
up debating cap and trade.  They know that due to
changing conditions that man’s mobility will come
to a standstill within 20 years, that it will mostly
be government and military that have the mobility.
That Gore’s industry backed movie and presentations
was the outing they wanted.  That everything our
government does is in preparation for the pending
climate collapse including the Patriot Acts. Including the resouce wars and positioning themselves
to have access two decades from now when man’s
mobility and food become very coveted.  That that is
why they don’t care about the public outcry to end.
That they won’t offer universal health care,  or
quit ripping SS off….
It all has to do with the pending climate disaster.
Thats my conspirousy theory….....
It is already been pointed out we are no longer
a democracy,  it is fairly evident that the military
has more control of our government then it ever has.
“They own the place” has become evident of Board
rooms controlling Capitol Hill.

I offer this conspirousy on this blog that no one
is reading for my good ole govs sake…....

Pull out of conservatism.

We should all watch our gullibillity….

The conservative church is against socialism while being supported through socialism and only imagine themselves to be Conservatism’s hard Right.  Conservatism’s hard Right is about 10% tops, including cousins.  All the rest are the gullible populace being led against their best interest by the DLC Nearly Noble toadies to Conservatism’s hard Right.

but you are a history and literature lesson

Didn’t Nero let the Christians destroy part of it to keep them at bay?

You numbers are wrong. The average number who supported the last administration was listed as high as 35% and as low as 27% so you need to rethink your hard, fast and bogus numbers. Look at the world as it works not in a ledger to see how you want it to work. You will be right more than wrong that way.

The populace destroyed the Library of Alexandria in Greece and scraped all the flesh off the bones of Hypatia in the past, therefore, something similar could easily happen, it all depends on how hungry and destitute conservatism, sophism and propaganda make the populace.  When the populace give up hope, all Hell will break lose.

delivered to the Enviromental Protection Agency
4/1/80

climatologists were in error in advising the
Administration the we had 50 yearsto complete the
solar/renewable resource transition, before weather
and climate changes would interfere with crops, ect..

No wonder the Tennesee Socialist is on the other
blog jumping up and down.!!!!!!!!!!!!

Martha do you really believe that is going to happen?
How about the black man on the Supreme Court?
Were we supposed to feel all gushy about that too?

The Red hard Right constitutes only a 10% total at the most. 

Every member of the Blue, Green and Yellow populace defending the Red hard Right against their best populace interest is being duped by conservatism shills through Rupert Murdoch Style sophism and propaganda.
 
The DLC’s Purple Republican Lite toadies constitute only 20% of the population, but they are toadies and because they are toadies will not stick with the Red Republicans should the whole 70% Blue, Green and Yellow populace decide to rumble; toadies are Purple suck ups without loyalty to either the Left or the Right, which is what caused the lack of representation problem for the populace in the first place.

The Red hard Right constitutes only a 10% total at the most. 

Every member of the Blue, Green and Yellow populace defending the Red hard Right against their best populace interest is being duped by Red conservatism shills through Rupert Murdoch Style sophism and propaganda.
 
The DLC’s Purple Republican Lite toadies constitute at the most only 20% of the population, but they are toadies and because they are toadies will not stick with the Red Republicans should the whole 70% Blue, Green and Yellow populace decide to rumble; toadies are Purple suck ups without loyalty to either the Left or the Right, which is what caused the lack of representation problem for the populace in the first place.

The hard right constitutes 32%-35% of the voters. They will be enough for the oligarchs to have a firm base. All others will fall in line or die or be slaves.

The populace is 70% of the population, that is at least 210,000,000 [million] people in the populace.  When 210 million people finally get fed up with what the fascist capitalists are doing to the populace, there will be an end to it.

The selection was made before the vote. The ones we got to chose from, from both official parties were vetted by the oligarchs to make sure they passed their standards. So we only voted from their selections. Getting to vote doesn’t make you free.

The lassiaze faire corporate classes do not want regulation, most of them, and neither do the hidden oligarchs either. For extreme climate produces extreme gov’ts which is what they want. An agglomeration of church/state/corporation is what they like in a country and the USA is the one they want. A very American type of dictatorship, but with global interests.

They don’t care who suffers, dies from disease, starvation, extremes of heat or could or flooding or drought. It just makes things easier for them to wield control. So that and their bottom line is well padded works for them in their world they want. It may look like the earth in “Avatar” which is only hinted at. James Cameron is writing a back story that takes place on earth so we can see what it is like in 2145 as it “dies.”

President Obama didn’t have to do anything for change to come.  The fact that a black person was elected, not selected, President of the United States was change, so change has come.  Returning democracy to the populace is a process that is going to take time, there are too many DLC Republicans Lite, like Evan Bayh, entrenched for anything substantial to happen in the moment, processes take time.

All you do know how to do is point a finger
out at opposition,,,,because you can’t defend
what you say !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You still didn’t and can’t answer the question,...

What change ?????

did you want and expect from this administration
and how were the changes going to be implemented…

You can’t answer that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No , it cost me a lot of $$$$$$$$$$$......
grief and bunch of my life….

Has Obama worked out for you????????????

Since Jehovah’s Witnesses do not accept Jesus as God, it appears the terrorist scenario worked out well for you.

I have another terrorist story…..

Have any of you ever been mistaken for a terrorist??
          I   H A V E   at a federal hospital
building.  They used the roof of the hospital to
mount some two way   repeaters and base stations
There were many different agencies of the fed gov
had base stations there..  I was on my way up
to the roof,  The day after the DESERT STORM thing
started,  walking with the RF watt meter.  Everyone
that at the VA security knew me well…..yet it was
reported that a terrorist was in the building.  I
sure didn’t know this….....so here i am up on the
roof looking down ...the building is being shut down
by the City and State Police…......I had no idea
it was me…....I didn’t know until I came down
and one of the security guards told me….....
This was the day after a letter of mine got
published in the local daily that was very, very
explicit of what i thought of SHOCK DOCTRINE.
The next day,  two Jehovah Witnesses knocked on my
door wanting in my house…...no, no, no..i said…
i believe it was the next day the hospital incident/././.././...//.././././././././././././././.

Fresh Evidence Global Warming Is Man-Made

by John von Radowitz

Climate scientists hit back at the skeptics today with new research they say has uncovered the “fingerprint” of man-made global warming.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/03/05-5

It worked Truth Dig….......

Fresh Evidence Global Warming Is Man-Made

by John von Radowitz

Climate scientists hit back at the sceptics today with new research they say has uncovered the “fingerprint” of man-made global warming.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/03/05-5

Somebody on TD,  who voted for Barrack OOOOhh?b a m a

told me that I needed a   civics   course….

  and   that person just might be right but
I sure haven’t had one lately…..

Sooner than later, you have to make that candidate
committ…...committ…...committ…...committt…...  Y O U     M A K E   T H E M   C O M M I T T !!!

Not like Dear FDR…....OR BARRACK OBABMA
        BOTH WHO   SAID   THIS….....
YOU MAKE ME DO IT…........NO, NO,  NO, 
Mr. President,  You Made the committment !!!!!!!!!
He was telling us then Mandates…..
You said it….......But you never did say just WHAT
              would make you do it !!!!!!!!!
So tell us pres….what else you need to see ???????
Even I   am   getting tired   of badmouthing
you Mr. President…................................
and all the colored girls go   do de do de do…...

Martha and ITW and the that desparetly defend the
Democrat Party…..You need to define what you mean
by change….....within the Democratic Party…...
How are you going to define that???????
What do you want changed???? Stop the Wars, alright
how ya do it ?/?/?/ ! !  !  ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Thats about the biggest part of our employment now,
all tied to the military and wars…how you goin doit
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
         
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****R O N     P A U L****~~~~~~~~~~~~
        SAYS HE   CAN !
I could possibly vote for him…..Just need a few
answers…...With all the programs that he plans
to phase out quickly….How does he plan to get jobs
for all the ones that need them,,and they will have
to pay a livable wage and provide health care.
If he can show that and provide those type jobs
that many programs can be eliminated,  he has my
complete attention,  I ALREADY KNOW HE HATES WAR !!!!
and that is just what we need for a PRESIDENT !!!!!~!
WHY WOULD YOU NOT VOTE FOR SOMEONE LIKE THAT
IF HE CAN PROVE   THAT   KNOWS HOW TO PROVIDE
THOSE TYPES JOBS….THERE ARE A   LOT OF GOVERNMENT
PROGRAMS THAT COULD BE ELIMINATED.!!!!!!!
Ron, can you do that????? 

And no way MR Paul will you ever   get   my

vote   if   you   plan   on   doing away
or eliminating up grading our public school systems
esecially in the neighbor hoods that never had one
to begin with !!!!!!!!!!!!!
So Paul can you pass   that text????
because if you can’t,,,you are as a SARA PALIN .....

These next two verses are for who ever on the
CLIMATE COLLAPSE BLOG that believes I am a
doomsdayer…...
remember simple G&D cuziam

I shoot pool and drink beer
and have a lot of fun
so the REDNECK comes out in me
before the day is done…but I’m a

redneck, nigger, and a hippie
all rapped up in one
a redneck, nigger, and a hippie
and it’s been a lot of fun !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

None of us have any idea what the planet may look
like two hundred years from now or even fifty years.

At least 25 species a day come to an end.
You have no idea any more than anyone who will go
polar bears or man…...the bears just might end
up fine.

End of the world for polar bears.

I sure do not profess to anything,  I have know
idea of what is in store for the planet any more
than anyone.  I am just going by some scientific
data and have my own predictions based on them.
Man lived through at least one other glaciation,
however the C02 fluctuated during inter-glacial
periods at 290ppm plus or minus 10%.
It is not a doomsday prophesy or prophecy.
Apparently , you also believe in some sort of climate
change so you must also have some thoughts of just
where it might go.
here is just a little how i believe
glaciation occurs whenever the soil minerals left by
the last glacial period are used up and the plant
life can no longer regulate the C02 by growing faster
in response to an increase in C02 in the air.
Forests are the major factor in C02 control.
Add mans industrialization, deforestation and
pollution, no it is not a pretty picture,  I love
rosy pictures and have never been a doomsdayer,  I
have too much fun, but I am not going to deny what
seems to be reality to me.  I want to have proper
preparation for our posterity.

It is time to realize that people are causing all the ice melt and to do an about face.

This isn’t “the end of the world” just a transition to one that we will find exceedingly harder to live in than in the passed 10,000 years. It is like using your water supply to defecate and urinate in. No flush, no rain this is it. No where else to go. Yes that does change things but you and the world are still there. Enjoy.

Someday I’m going to write a book on “The Influence of Negative Prophesy.”  Ever since the remote past, somebody or other has had a “Revelation” and predicted the end of the world.  Some specified on such and such a date; others were more unsure and left the date open.
  Some beiieved God was behind it.  Others blamed tovernments, kings, diseases, Satan, Fate, Sin, Ignorance, human nature. 
  Nowadays we can prophesy a bit more accurately due to scientific evidence, but even that has the effect of stymying action.  It puts people in a fatalistic thrall where they feel either there’s nothing they can do, or there’s no use to do it. 
  No matter whether the prophesies come from the left or the right, it’s all Armageddon, and the effect is the same. A condition of negative apathy sets in—and lo and behold—people get hysterical.
  Advice from an old crone:  Don’t go there! 
.

A U.S. Department of Energy study released in
April, 1979 stated: “It is the sense of the scientific community that carbon dioxide is potentially the most important environmental issue
facing mankind.” (Baltimore Sun,  1/13/80)

In July, 1979, four scientists submitted a report
to the President’s Counsil on Environmental Quality
entitled “The Carbon Dioxide Problem: Implications
for Policy in the Management of Energy and Other
Resources.”  The scientists stated conservatively that: 

The C02 problem is one of the most important
contemporary enviromental problems, is a direct
product of industrialization, threatens the stability
of climates worldwide and therefore the stability of
all nations, and can be controlled.  Steps toward
control are necessary now.  The potential disruptions
are sufficiently great to warrant the incorporation
of the C02 problem into all considerations of policy
in the development of energy…..

All that was from the 1970s…...
They have known about this problem since the 1960s,
I am almost sure that it is tooooooo late to
control the atmospheric C02 now.  Man can not bring
it down, this does not mean we shouldn’t begin
immediatly to do the right things..!!!!!

Too bad that the corporate world in general does not
want us to fight this.

There is no immediate profit in this, that is why
nobody cares, hybrid cars, these gimmicks is the best
we can do folks. If the Peak Oil theory is right, and I
inclined to believe it is, we just have to wait awhile
and the Earth, which in my view happens to be a self-
correcting organism, will take care of it.

“We hadn’t [until now] looked in detail at how the climate system was changing,” says Dr Stott.

“[Our paper looks at] not just the temperatures but also the reducing Arctic sea ice and it includes changing rainfall patterns and it includes the fact that the atmosphere is getting more humid. “

Too bad that the corporate world in general does not want us to fight this. They want it too happen. Why? Because such harsh conditions produce harsh responses from people. Both in religion and gov’t. So the wold be “masters” of us will put their boot heel on our throats. They will still have their luxury we won’t.